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* ... This makes too much sense to me. [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Oh]] ''[[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Haruhi.]]''

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* ... This makes too much sense to me. [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Oh]] ''[[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife ''[[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Haruhi.]]''
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Will be translated into Japanese in the dub. The dub writer will do the same thing he did with the "Naze? Why?" scene and make JohnnyYongBosch say "[[spoiler:Aishiteru]]" instead of "[[spoiler:AI LAAV YUU]]".

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Will be translated into Japanese in the dub. The dub writer will do the same thing he did with the "Naze? Why?" scene and make JohnnyYongBosch Creator/JohnnyYongBosch say "[[spoiler:Aishiteru]]" instead of "[[spoiler:AI LAAV YUU]]".
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Let's see: always polite and smiling, "you wouldn't want to see my true form blah blah blah" yet no problem interfacing with humans, questionable motives, always up to something suspicious or mischievous, some connection to "closed spaces" which behave in unusual ways that could reasonably be described as non-Euclidean, crazy mind powers, a pervasive impression of dishonesty, and the implication that he is, in reality, some ferocious creature possessing tremendous dark power...

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Let's see: always polite and smiling, "you wouldn't want to see my true form blah blah blah" yet no problem interfacing with humans, questionable motives, always up to something suspicious or mischievous, some connection to "closed spaces" which behave in unusual ways that could reasonably be described as non-Euclidean, crazy mind powers, a pervasive impression of dishonesty, and the implication that he is, in reality, some ferocious creature possessing tremendous dark power... He's also a handsome male human, so there's also that similarity. He doesn't seem to be dark-skinned, though, or dressed in gold.
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Let's see: always polite and smiling, "you wouldn't want to see my true form blah blah blah" yet no problem interfacing with humans, questionable motives, always up to something suspicious or mischievous, some connection to "closed spaces" which behave in unusual ways that could reasonably be described as non-Euclidean, crazy mind powers, a pervasive impression of dishonesty, and the implication that he is, in reality, some ferocious creature possessing tremendous power...

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Let's see: always polite and smiling, "you wouldn't want to see my true form blah blah blah" yet no problem interfacing with humans, questionable motives, always up to something suspicious or mischievous, some connection to "closed spaces" which behave in unusual ways that could reasonably be described as non-Euclidean, crazy mind powers, a pervasive impression of dishonesty, and the implication that he is, in reality, some ferocious creature possessing tremendous dark power...
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[[WMG: Koizumi is [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Nyarlathotep]].]]
Let's see: always polite and smiling, "you wouldn't want to see my true form blah blah blah" yet no problem interfacing with humans, questionable motives, always up to something suspicious or mischievous, some connection to "closed spaces" which behave in unusual ways that could reasonably be described as non-Euclidean, crazy mind powers, a pervasive impression of dishonesty, and the implication that he is, in reality, some ferocious creature possessing tremendous power...
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Itsuki harbors a crush on Kyon; however, being aware of their existence as a fictional property, he knows that making the HoYay too obvious actually results in a ''lesser'' amount of fanwork. So he creates a cast to deflect most of the criticism from hetero guys with MoeMoe archetypes, while making the {{Tsundere}} female lead ''juuuuuuust'' unlikable enough so that [[YaoiFangirl anyone with yaoi tendencies]] will find her unsuited for Kyon. Thus, the amount of Itsuki/Kyon grows, encouraging the [[MostFanficWritersAreGirls production of more fanwork]], and allowing more hints to be dropped in the anime/novels/show itself, thus resulting in all those scenes where Itsuki gets to make Kyon uncomfortable. Supported by Itsuki's lame excuse that he's only doing it to ward off Haruhi's attention, as all the moments where he's expressing his fondness for Kyon take place away from Haruhi's eyes.

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Itsuki harbors a crush on Kyon; however, being aware of their existence as a fictional property, he knows that making the HoYay too obvious actually results in a ''lesser'' amount of fanwork. So he creates a cast to deflect most of the criticism from hetero guys with MoeMoe {{Moe}} archetypes, while making the {{Tsundere}} female lead ''juuuuuuust'' unlikable enough so that [[YaoiFangirl anyone with yaoi tendencies]] will find her unsuited for Kyon. Thus, the amount of Itsuki/Kyon grows, encouraging the [[MostFanficWritersAreGirls production of more fanwork]], and allowing more hints to be dropped in the anime/novels/show itself, thus resulting in all those scenes where Itsuki gets to make Kyon uncomfortable. Supported by Itsuki's lame excuse that he's only doing it to ward off Haruhi's attention, as all the moments where he's expressing his fondness for Kyon take place away from Haruhi's eyes.
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* How do we really know he was only 12 when he started the Organization? He's been shown to lie about other things, why not his age as well? He could only be posing as a high schooler (which would also explain why he transfers into class 1-9 later in the year; he needed time to establish his cover identity... which is why Haruhi finds him so suspicious--she can subconsciously sense that Koizumi is not what he pretends to be).
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* however he could be doing this since haruhi thinks of him as gay, and he may love her, which would explains why he's always trying to please her

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* however However he could be doing this since haruhi Haruhi thinks of him as gay, and he may love her, which would explains why he's always trying to please her
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* So you mean that there will never be a Slider character because they're just part of the storyboarding but not in the final work? This makes sense, as they haven't really been brought up much if at all since the start.



he occasionally says things that suggest that suggest he has feelings for Haruhi and he regularly says things have no apparent purpose other than confusing Kyon. he hides it because it makes it easier for him to ship Kyon and Haruhi. when he noticed that Kyon makes Haruhi's behavior more stable he probably decided that making his job easier was better than pursuing a relationship that he knew wasn't going to happen.

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he He occasionally says things that suggest that suggest he has feelings for Haruhi and he regularly says things have no apparent purpose other than confusing Kyon. he He hides it because it makes it easier for him to ship Kyon and Haruhi. when When he noticed that Kyon makes Haruhi's behavior more stable he probably decided that making his job easier was better than pursuing a relationship that he knew wasn't going to happen.
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he just pretends that he might be lying in order to keep Kyon off balance and easy to manipulate

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he He just pretends that he might be lying in order to keep Kyon off balance and easy to manipulatemanipulate.


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* Age matters not when competence is key. Koizumi may be the most powerful Esper, and he also may have been granted the most knowledge about the agenda, which would probably suffice to make him the leader. You'd want the person who knows the most about what you're doing to be your leader. After all, Koizumi is the one who's supposed to get close to Haruhi, so it's not unreasonable that he's the most informed. Besides, who better to send than yourself if you want the job done right? And why would being the leader prevent him from betraying the Organisation? If the Organisation has a unifying agenda, then turning your back on that agenda would be betrayal. Even a King can be accused of treason. Koizumi as a Leader has a different goal than Koizumi the SOS Brigade Member. He has to be far more responsible as a leader than a follower, which is probably why he's her YesMan.
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he occasionally says things that suggest that suggest he has feelings for Haruhi and he regularly says things have no apparent purpose other than confusing Kyon. he hides it because it makes it easier for him to ship Kyon and Haruhi. when he noticed that Kyon makes Haruhi's behavior more stable he probably decided that making his job easier was better that pursuing a relationship that he knew wasn't going to happen.

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he occasionally says things that suggest that suggest he has feelings for Haruhi and he regularly says things have no apparent purpose other than confusing Kyon. he hides it because it makes it easier for him to ship Kyon and Haruhi. when he noticed that Kyon makes Haruhi's behavior more stable he probably decided that making his job easier was better that than pursuing a relationship that he knew wasn't going to happen.happen.
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[[WMG: Koizumi only recently became the Leader of the Organization]]
In an earlier novel, he states that he would betray the Organization if it opposed the SOS Brigade, but of course that would never happen if he was its leader. Also, if he was always in charge, that would mean the Organization was originally run by a 12-year-old. Who the hell would agree to that?!
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[[WMG: Koizumi's ambiguously gay behaviors are caused by Haruhi]]
We have seen that espers have some sort of link to haruhi's mental state, and if haruhi feels attracted to kyon then it stands to reason that some of the emotional resonance could affect the espers.
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he occasionally says things that suggest that suggest he has feelings for Haruhi and he regularly says things have no apparent purpose other that confusing Kyon. he hides it because it makes it easier for him to ship Kyon and Haruhi. when he noticed that Kyon makes Haruhi's behavior more stable he probably decided that making his job easier was better that pursuing a relationship that he knew wasn't going to happen.

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he occasionally says things that suggest that suggest he has feelings for Haruhi and he regularly says things have no apparent purpose other that than confusing Kyon. he hides it because it makes it easier for him to ship Kyon and Haruhi. when he noticed that Kyon makes Haruhi's behavior more stable he probably decided that making his job easier was better that pursuing a relationship that he knew wasn't going to happen.
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Starting three years ago, as soon as he gained his ESPer abilities, he also lost the memory of being the brother of Kyon. Or, he didn't lose that memory but Kyon did - which makes his gay/bi advancements on him even creepier.



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Starting three years ago, as soon as he gained his ESPer abilities, he also lost the memory of being the brother of Kyon. Or, he didn't lose that memory but Kyon ''Kyon'' did - which makes his gay/bi advancements on him even creepier.


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[[WMG: Itsuki is Kyon's '''brother'''.]]

Starting three years ago, as soon as he gained his ESPer abilities, he also lost the memory of being the brother of Kyon. Or, he didn't lose that memory but Kyon did - which makes his gay/bi advancements on him even creepier.


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[[WMG: everything Koizumi said is something he thinks is true]]
he just pretends that he might be lying in order to keep Kyon off balance and easy to manipulate
[[WMG: Koizumi is in love with Haruhi and all his AmbiguouslyGay behavior is just another way to keep Kyon off balance]]
he occasionally says things that suggest that suggest he has feelings for Haruhi and he regularly says things have no apparent purpose other that confusing Kyon. he hides it because it makes it easier for him to ship Kyon and Haruhi. when he noticed that Kyon makes Haruhi's behavior more stable he probably decided that making his job easier was better that pursuing a relationship that he knew wasn't going to happen.
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** Itsuki (or ''someone'' in his organization) was also able to perceive something about Nakagawa's power—that Nakagawa had it, if nothing else. Nakagawa was the kid who was unknowingly able to catch glimpses of the Integrated Data Entity through Nagato, something that Itsuki presumably cannot. With regards to the kid, Itsuki says, "To be honest, you sure do have a lot of extraordinary friends." Now how many friends does Kyon really have?

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** Itsuki (or ''someone'' in his organization) was also able to perceive something about Nakagawa's power—that Nakagawa power, that he had it, it if nothing else. Nakagawa was the kid who was unknowingly able to catch glimpses of the Integrated Data Entity through Nagato, something that Itsuki presumably cannot. With regards to the kid, Itsuki says, "To be honest, you sure do have a lot of extraordinary friends." Now how many friends does Kyon really have?
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* I'd have to say (in response to all the "X is a god" ideas really: Define the nature of god. We tend to assume that the god that one or other of the characters is is God in the abrahamic sense of the word, I.E an all powerful being, however there are many differant interpretations regarding the nature of "god" wherever you look. So who's to say that a being with the power to do some of the stuff that happens in the series is really a god?
** You've made a good point. By one definition, anyone or anything that is worshiped by a person can be considered a "god," regardless of if that "god" has any actual power.

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* I'd have to say (in response to all About the "X is a god" ideas really: ideas: Define the nature of god. We tend to assume that the god that one or other of the characters is is God such a being would be in the abrahamic sense of the word, I.E tradition, i.e. an all powerful being, however being. However there are many differant different interpretations regarding the nature of "god" wherever you look. So who's to say that a being with the power to do some of the stuff that happens in the series is really a god?
** You've made a good point.
god? By one definition, anyone or anything that is worshiped worshipped by a person can be considered a "god," regardless of if that "god" has any actual power.



In volume 4 Haruhi asks, "Koizumi, are you going to be on a date with your girlfriend?" to which the guy in question denies. The guess here is that he places the activities of the SOS Brigade and the Organization [[MarriedToTheJob above a relationship]]; however, having a relationship in high school fulfills part of his "want to become someone who appears to be a normal high school student." It either might be a sincere relationship or [[ShallowLoveInterest superficial]] (think: ''appears to be'').

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In volume 4 Haruhi asks, "Koizumi, are you going to be on a date with your girlfriend?" to which the guy in question denies. The guess here is that he places the activities of the SOS Brigade and the Organization [[MarriedToTheJob above a relationship]]; however, having a relationship in high school fulfills fulfils part of his "want to become someone who appears to be a normal high school student." It either might be a sincere relationship or [[ShallowLoveInterest [[SatelliteLoveInterest superficial]] (think: ''appears to be'').
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* To take that "bitter smile" hint a step further, what if he had a partner who, because of either Kyon's interferences with the original timestream or Haruhi's powers, died or was erased from existence, and the real reason for his interest into Haruhi's case it to try to avoid this from happening?

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* To take that "bitter smile" hint a step further, further (and possibly assuming that the "Koizumi too is a time traveler" theory is right), what if he had a partner who, because of either Kyon's interferences with the original timestream or Haruhi's powers, died or was erased from existence, and the real reason for his interest into Haruhi's case it to try to avoid this from happening?
happening? And, to take the whole thing yet another step further, what if that person is the future Haruhi?
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* To take that "bitter smile" hint a step further, what if he had a partner who, because of either Kyon's interferences with the original timestream or Haruhi's powers, died or was erased from existence, and the real reason for his interest into Haruhi's case it to try to avoid this from happening?
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[[WMG:Istuki's eyes really are [[EyesAlwaysShut Always Shut]]]]
Think about it. He's an Esper, isn't he? He's navigating psychically.
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He is, in fact, the LEADER of [[OrganizationIndex The Organization]]. As far as we seen, he tends to be.....unreliable when it comes to talking. Maybe he wants to get rid of/hijack Haruhi's power. Or maybe he's just there for some lulz, sort of like [[{{Bleach}} Gin Ichimaru]].

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He is, in fact, the LEADER of [[OrganizationIndex The Organization]]. As far as we seen, he tends to be.....unreliable when it comes to talking. Maybe he wants to get rid of/hijack Haruhi's power. Or maybe he's just there for some lulz, sort of like [[{{Bleach}} [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Gin Ichimaru]].
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* Personally, ThisTroper thinks it'd be funnier if it was translated as "[[spoiler: Je t'aime]]"...

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* Personally, ThisTroper thinks I think it'd be funnier if it was translated as "[[spoiler: Je "[[spoiler:Je t'aime]]"...





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[[WMG: The entire series is just a XanatosGambit on the part of Itsuki, who not only is aware of the Fourth Wall but is also the true "God" of the show.]]

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[[WMG: Itsuki was originally going to be the slider.]]
WordOfGod says that Kyon was originally going to be an esper, if that is the case than what was Itsuki going to be? A second esper? I think not! The whole sliders thing that Haruhi mentions is just something that Tanigawa forgot to write out of the story, because Itsuki was the slider during early writing.

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Blame Haruhi for this one.

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Blame Haruhi for this one.one.

[[WMG:Itsuki is Kyon]]
Maybe a LiteralSplitPersonality thing, maybe something else,
but Kyon's introduction did involve him saying he had wished to be an Esper,then decided he'd
be better as the Esper's sidekick who didn't have to do all the work.

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Itsuki harbors a crush on Kyon; however, being aware of their existence as a fictional property, he knows that making the HoYay too obvious actually results in a ''lesser'' amount of fanwork. So he creates a cast to deflect most of the criticism from hetero guys with MoeMoe archetypes, while making the {{Tsundere}} female lead ''juuuuuuust'' unlikable enough so that [[YaoiFangirl anyone with yaoi tendencies]] will find her unsuited for Kyon. Thus, the amount of Itsuki/Kyon grows, encouraging the [[MostFanficWritersAreGirls production of more fanwork]], and allowing more hints to be dropped in the anime/novels/show itself, thus resulting in all those scenes where Itsuki gets to make Kyon uncomfortable. Supported by Itsuki's lame excuse that he's only doing it to ward off Haruhi's attention, as all the moments where he's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean expressing his fondness for Kyon]] take place away from Haruhi's eyes.

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Itsuki harbors a crush on Kyon; however, being aware of their existence as a fictional property, he knows that making the HoYay too obvious actually results in a ''lesser'' amount of fanwork. So he creates a cast to deflect most of the criticism from hetero guys with MoeMoe archetypes, while making the {{Tsundere}} female lead ''juuuuuuust'' unlikable enough so that [[YaoiFangirl anyone with yaoi tendencies]] will find her unsuited for Kyon. Thus, the amount of Itsuki/Kyon grows, encouraging the [[MostFanficWritersAreGirls production of more fanwork]], and allowing more hints to be dropped in the anime/novels/show itself, thus resulting in all those scenes where Itsuki gets to make Kyon uncomfortable. Supported by Itsuki's lame excuse that he's only doing it to ward off Haruhi's attention, as all the moments where he's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean expressing his fondness for Kyon]] Kyon take place away from Haruhi's eyes.



Plan 1: In the event that Haruhi is a YaoiFangirl: Get Kyon used to the idea of being with Itsuki, to keep Haruhi entertained if she gets bored with Mikuru. (This works if Itsuki really does like Kyon, because he can say it's not just because of Haruhi when and if they have to [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean placate]] [[YaoiFangirl her]].)

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Plan 1: In the event that Haruhi is a YaoiFangirl: Get Kyon used to the idea of being with Itsuki, to keep Haruhi entertained if she gets bored with Mikuru. (This works if Itsuki really does like Kyon, because he can say it's not just because of Haruhi when and if they have to [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean placate]] placate [[YaoiFangirl her]].)

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