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[[WMG: The Game's Ultimate conflict will be [[WhiteAndWhiteMorality White v. White]]]]

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[[StarWars Search your feelings]], [[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack you know it to be true]].

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[[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Search your feelings]], [[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack you know it to be true]].
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The game is based on ''{{Hamlet}}''. Come on. This may also be connected to the first guess - Stella gains a huge amount of power, WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity, and the player has to kill the poor sweet LoveInterest who's gone ethereally crazy and just doesn't understand that she's setting fires and killing people as she giggles and dances and tosses flowers here and there.

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The game is based on ''{{Hamlet}}''.''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}''. Come on. This may also be connected to the first guess - Stella gains a huge amount of power, WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity, and the player has to kill the poor sweet LoveInterest who's gone ethereally crazy and just doesn't understand that she's setting fires and killing people as she giggles and dances and tosses flowers here and there.



They're quoting ''{{Hamlet}}'', of all things. What with that and the trailer wherein Noctis single-handedly slaughters what looks to be an entire army, what other option is there?

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They're quoting ''{{Hamlet}}'', ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'', of all things. What with that and the trailer wherein Noctis single-handedly slaughters what looks to be an entire army, what other option is there?



* The Elder One- King Regis's brother. With all the Shakespearian connections, they'll probably go the ''{{Hamlet}}'' route and have him murder the King (and frame Noctis for it so he won't get the throne). In the trailer, Regis told somebody he was not fit to be king, but WordOfGod implied that it wasn't Noctis he was talking to.

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* The Elder One- King Regis's brother. With all the Shakespearian connections, they'll probably go the ''{{Hamlet}}'' ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' route and have him murder the King (and frame Noctis for it so he won't get the throne). In the trailer, Regis told somebody he was not fit to be king, but WordOfGod implied that it wasn't Noctis he was talking to.
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* Though it appears that the game is based more on ''{{Hamlet}}'' than ''RomeoAndJuliet''.

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* Though it appears that the game is based more on ''{{Hamlet}}'' ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' than ''RomeoAndJuliet''.''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''.
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[[WMG: A sequel to the AlternateEnding will be made.]]
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win, even if it was his pride that makes him want to defeat the chosen king at his strongest, it still wouldn't make sense that a usuper king's dynasty will work so well with the prophecy of the true king. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny.
I think this whole thing only makes sense if it was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years (kinda like one for all), thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals in turn absorb power of the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.

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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win, even if it was his pride that makes him want to defeat the chosen king at his strongest, it still wouldn't make sense that a usuper king's dynasty will work so well with the prophecy of the true king. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny.destiny and was fated to die anyway for crafting the covenant with the Gods.
I think this whole thing only makes sense if it was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years (kinda like one for all), thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals in turn absorb power of the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny.destiny and forge for him the covenant of the Astrals at the cost of her own life. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.
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[[WMG: Ardyn was originally meant to be part of an Ancient Conspiracy involving both the Astrals and the entirety of the Lucis bloodline for the single purpose of eliminating the Starscourge completely, Episode Ardyn was a later addition.]]
Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win, even if it was his pride that makes him want to defeat the chosen king at his strongest, it still wouldn't make sense that a usuper king's dynasty will work so well with the prophecy of the true king. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny.
I think this whole thing only makes sense if it was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years (kinda like one for all), thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals in turn absorb power of the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.
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[[WMG: Ardyn is part of an Ancient Conspiracy involving both the Astrals and the entirety of the Lucis bloodline for the single purpose of eliminating the Starscourge completely.]]
Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years (kinda like one for all), thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals in turn absorb power of the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years (kinda like one for all), thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.

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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years (kinda like one for all), thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then in turn absorb power from of the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.

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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, years (kinda like one for all), thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether, happy for a job well done.
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether.

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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether.
aether, happy for a job well done.
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny.

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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny.
destiny. Noctis was never meant to be king in a traditional sense, his life was forfeit from the very start, that explains why Reggie and Luna was always kind of distant even when close by Noctis, it was the sense of guilt mixed in with love that pains them everytime they looked at Noctis. How did Reggie feel when trying to act like a father who was teaching his son how to be a benevolent king to his people when he knows in his heart that Noctis will never be a ruling king to his people? How did Luna feel when each time she asked Noct to write down his journal that he was in fact writing down his will? I could never imagine. Ardyn on the other hand was to live on as a monster, shunted by his people, out living anyone he has ever known, spend every waking and dreaming moment with trillions of rampaging beast ripping at his heart, until one day he will unleash the End of the World and finally be put down like a rabid dog by the hands of his own blood. He held on like that for hundreds of years, as you can see the world was allowed to flourish due in the years that follow due solely to his ultimate sacrifice. When Noct earn his seat in heaven with his bride at his side, who will remember the old saint who started all? Adyne was contend though, and merely a simple bow to his executioner, before finally being rip to shred and vanishing into the aether.
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn, the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis.

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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn, Ardyn; the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will resonate with the one crystal gaining its power and sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis.
Noctis; lastly a family of Oracles was to Shepard the faith of the Astrals, the Astrals then absorb power from the faithful masses and funnel them into the Lucis blood, enriching it generation by generation, and finally when the last king was born, lead him to his destiny.
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago,

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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago,
ago, on the wake of the War of the Astrals the world of Eos is on the brink of total collapse due to the sudden appearance and spread of the Starscourge, generating sickness and Daemons everywhere it touches, even the Astrals themselves will get corrupted on contact with it as evident on Ifrit himself. Desperate, the remnants of the Solheim civilization conspired with the Astrals to rid Eos of the calamity by sacrificing two entire bloodline of their greatest mages spanning hundreds of years in order to accomplish their goal. The plan is simple, one of the brothers Lucis, whom of strong will and kind heart was to be the trap to seal all the taint within his person for as long as he can, namely Ardyn, the other was to build a strong Kingdom to protect the people and sire an entire bloodline of warrior kings imbued with the power of the Astrals until it produces an heir strong enough to inherit the entire fortune of collected power over the years, thus becoming a pseudo Astral that will sacrifice his entire physical being in order to neutralize the Scourge in its entirety, namely Noctis.
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Ardyn's actions throughout the game makes no sense if all he wants to do was to exact vengeance upon the world and the Astrals that forsaken him, he had plenty of chances to kill Noctis and his friends, yet never once tried to do so, even if the Lucis bloodline falls, he would theoretically win. Not only that but he goes out of his way to strengthen Noctis and his friends slowly by putting them through ordeals that will give them training without killing them and let them contracting allies (such as the old kings, the Astrals, the hunters, the Lucis remnants) through their journey, the only one he killed was Luna who was in the known of Noctis' destiny. I think this whole thing was orchestrated by the first King, the Oracles, the Astrals sans Ifrit, and Ardyn himself: Hundreds of years ago,
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Seriously, I can't be the only one who thinks he looks like [[Characters/DoctorWhoFourthDoctor Colin Baker]].

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Seriously, I can't be the only one who thinks he looks like [[Characters/DoctorWhoFourthDoctor Colin Tom Baker]].
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* [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsThreeFiveEightDaysOverTwo It's not like Square isn't known to have you as the player]] KillTheCutie, either...]]

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* Ardyn Izunia - Creator/QuintonFlynn. His [[Creator/KeijiFujiwara seiyuu]] voiced [[KingdomHearts Axel]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Reno]], and since Quinton voiced the same roles...

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* Ardyn Izunia - Creator/QuintonFlynn. His [[Creator/KeijiFujiwara seiyuu]] voiced [[KingdomHearts [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Axel]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Reno]], and since Quinton voiced the same roles...
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[[WMG:This series will have both the pocket edition and the original graphics released on the Nintendo Switch.]]

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* Iris- Catherine Taber ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII Penelo]]).

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** Jossed: THis man is effectively Regis's opposite as the emperor of Niflheim.

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** Jossed: THis This man is effectively Regis's opposite as the emperor of Niflheim.
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I mean, after all, if FFXV is going to be [[WilliamShakespeare Shakespare]]-themed, might as well throw in some [[HoYay ho yay]], specially with the (very pretty) male-dominating cast.

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I mean, after all, if FFXV is going to be [[WilliamShakespeare [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespare]]-themed, might as well throw in some [[HoYay ho yay]], specially with the (very pretty) male-dominating cast.
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* So where does Gentiana/Shiva come in? The clue comes in on the cover of the Cosmogony book. While Bahamut and Ardyn are prominent, a woman with closed eyes and dark hair, wearing white, is in the background, holding the Trident. It's easy to assume this is Shiva in human form before passing the Trident on, based on Ardyn's line in the dub where he appears to recognise her before she freezes him - making it sound like it's the face she wore the day he encountered the gods. However, in the Japanese version, Ardyn's line is cut off differently, revealing that Gentiana is the face she wore the day she was killed - referring to how Niflheim killed Shiva in the backstory (notably the expanded backstory implies Ardyn specifically [[CameBackWrong resurrected]] Ifrit at this time specifically to get Shiva's attention to kill her - an oddly direct act of spite on his part given he doesn't go after any of the other Astrals in this way). * So who is the woman on the cover of the Cosmogony - well, she's the Oracle. Notable characters from Tenebrae are known for their white clothes while notable characters from Lucis are known for their dark clothes (which was actually some visual {{Foreshadowing}} for Ardyn - notable characters from Niflheim wear white and red, but aside from a dash of red, Ardyn wears black) - the woman holding the Trident is wearing white, like Luna, but she has black hair, like the Lucis Caelum's. Shiva's guise of Gentiana primarily wears black, with a splash of white and gold (and the black and gold combination evokes ''Regis'', a Lucian king), but is otherwise identical to the woman on the book.

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* So where does Gentiana/Shiva come in? The clue comes in on the cover of the Cosmogony book. While Bahamut and Ardyn are prominent, a woman with closed eyes and dark hair, wearing white, is in the background, holding the Trident. It's easy to assume this is Shiva in human form before passing the Trident on, based on Ardyn's line in the dub where he appears to recognise her before she freezes him - making it sound like it's the face she wore the day he encountered the gods. However, in the Japanese version, Ardyn's line is cut off differently, revealing that Gentiana is the face she wore the day she was killed - referring to how Niflheim killed Shiva in the backstory (notably the expanded backstory implies Ardyn specifically [[CameBackWrong resurrected]] Ifrit at this time specifically to get Shiva's attention to kill her - an oddly direct act of spite on his part given he doesn't go after any of the other Astrals in this way). way).
* So who is the woman on the cover of the Cosmogony - well, she's the Oracle. Notable characters from Tenebrae are known for their white clothes while notable characters from Lucis are known for their dark clothes (which was actually some visual {{Foreshadowing}} for Ardyn - notable characters from Niflheim wear white and red, but aside from a dash of red, Ardyn wears black) - the woman holding the Trident is wearing white, like Luna, but she has black hair, like the Lucis Caelum's. Shiva's guise of Gentiana primarily wears black, with a splash of white and gold (and the black and gold combination evokes ''Regis'', a Lucian king), but is otherwise identical to the woman on the book.

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In the main game, she always ''always'' carries her spear, she never dismisses it like other characters do, however in Episode Prompto, she dismisses and resummons it (with the same red 'aura' that Ardyn and Gilgamesh - who was the Shield of Ardyn's brother - use). Additionally, Aranea had no way of knowing Prompto would be at this facility, had no reason to go after Verstael (no matter how much she disapproves of him) and when she was last seen canonically, Noctis and the others told her to look after the train passengers, while she claims they asked her to look for Prompto (which didn't happen onscreen at least). Her distinctive red airship is also never seen and how she got there to assist Prompto is never explained (nor is why a woman with a number of men under her command would choose to attack a secure facility alone). Conclusion? 'Aranea' was Ardyn, disguising himself again.[[/folder]]

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In the main game, she always ''always'' carries her spear, she never dismisses it like other characters do, however in Episode Prompto, she dismisses and resummons it (with the same red 'aura' that Ardyn and Gilgamesh - who was the Shield of Ardyn's brother - use). Additionally, Aranea had no way of knowing Prompto would be at this facility, had no reason to go after Verstael (no matter how much she disapproves of him) and when she was last seen canonically, Noctis and the others told her to look after the train passengers, while she claims they asked her to look for Prompto (which didn't happen onscreen at least). Her distinctive red airship is also never seen and how she got there to assist Prompto is never explained (nor is why a woman with a number of men under her command would choose to attack a secure facility alone). Conclusion? 'Aranea' was Ardyn, disguising himself again.[[/folder]]
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[[WMG: The face Gentiana/Shiva wears is that of a close relative of Ardyn's]]
In the backstory, it's noted that the Trident of the Oracle was gifted to a 'pious Oracle of house Fleuret' by the gods - however, the Oracle in question was ''also'' a Queen of Lucis. The Oracle line also has Ardyn's power of healing people of the Starscourge. This suggests that at one point, the Fleuret and Lucis Caelum lines were one and the same before diverging at some point in the 2000 years between the backstory. Ardyn, notably, had the power of both family lines, but Noctis only inherits the power of Kings from his ancestor (and Ardyn's brother) the Founder King.
* So where does Gentiana/Shiva come in? The clue comes in on the cover of the Cosmogony book. While Bahamut and Ardyn are prominent, a woman with closed eyes and dark hair, wearing white, is in the background, holding the Trident. It's easy to assume this is Shiva in human form before passing the Trident on, based on Ardyn's line in the dub where he appears to recognise her before she freezes him - making it sound like it's the face she wore the day he encountered the gods. However, in the Japanese version, Ardyn's line is cut off differently, revealing that Gentiana is the face she wore the day she was killed - referring to how Niflheim killed Shiva in the backstory (notably the expanded backstory implies Ardyn specifically [[CameBackWrong resurrected]] Ifrit at this time specifically to get Shiva's attention to kill her - an oddly direct act of spite on his part given he doesn't go after any of the other Astrals in this way). * So who is the woman on the cover of the Cosmogony - well, she's the Oracle. Notable characters from Tenebrae are known for their white clothes while notable characters from Lucis are known for their dark clothes (which was actually some visual {{Foreshadowing}} for Ardyn - notable characters from Niflheim wear white and red, but aside from a dash of red, Ardyn wears black) - the woman holding the Trident is wearing white, like Luna, but she has black hair, like the Lucis Caelum's. Shiva's guise of Gentiana primarily wears black, with a splash of white and gold (and the black and gold combination evokes ''Regis'', a Lucian king), but is otherwise identical to the woman on the book.
* There's no need for the gods to have an Oracle (as there'd be no need for line of descent), which suggests the 'original' Gentiana is another Lucis Caelum before the family line diverged to the Nox Fleuret's, and likely a close relative of Ardyn's given they have the same power of healing the Starscourge, possibly a daughter or even a sister. Ardyn seems to have a special hatred of Shiva specifically, so if she's taking the guise of someone he used to care for, that could be reason why.
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In the main game, she always ''always'' carries her spear, she never dismisses it like other characters do, however in Episode Prompto, she dismisses and resummons it (with the same red 'aura' that Ardyn and Gilgamesh - who was the Shield of Ardyn's brother - use). Additionally, Aranea had no way of knowing Prompto would be at this facility, had no reason to go after Verstael (no matter how much she disapproves of him) and when she was last seen canonically, Noctis and the others told her to look after the train passengers, while she claims they asked her to look for Prompto (which didn't happen onscreen at least). Her distinctive red airship is also never seen and how she got there to assist Prompto is never explained (nor is why a woman with a number of men under her command would choose to attack a secure facility alone). Conclusion? 'Aranea' was Ardyn, disguising himself again.
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[[WMG: Ardyn Izuna is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]]]]
Seriously, I can't be the only one who thinks he looks like [[Characters/DoctorWhoFourthDoctor Colin Baker]].



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[[WMG: FinalFantasyXV VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV will be one part of the world's story with FinalFantasyXVI VideoGame/FinalFantasyXVI acting as the conclusion dealing with the aftermath of FF15]]
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** According to Shiva, Ifrit hates mankind because Solheim stopped worshiping (or straight up stopped believing in) the Astrals, and being that he was the one who gave mortals fire in the first place, he took it personally.

[[WMG: Ifrit and Eos were siblings, and that's why Ifrit is pals with Ardyn.]]

Ifrit is fire, Eos is light; if the Pitioss Theory is true and holds that Ifrit went into the underworld/land of the dead/underground prison to rescue a pregnant Eos, it's not because he was in love with her and went to save her despite feeling betrayed, it's because she was his sister and she was carrying his niece/nephew. If Ardyn was that child (or one of those children, if she was having twins), Ifrit may well have been part of his entire mortal life from the very beginning. We know Ardyn made contact with the Astrals, there's no reason why Ifrit couldn't have been the first one.

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