Expect something along the lines of parent issues when playing through Versus; 7 didn't like going into that subject often, so expect reasons why Cloud behaved like a wuss in wolf's clothing and Aeris is a Magical Girl.
- Huh, can you give me example where Anime Hair is deconstructed? I mean, besides Lampshade Hanging, that is.
- Eh, since 7 does Lampshade it, I guess Versus would do that to an extent. Lampshade Deconstruction (Do We Have This One?) in this sense would be a bit extreme to say so, so maybe Versus will attempt to do the same. Either way, the core of this WMG assumes that Versus is the Spiritual Successor and/or Reconstruction to 7. Besides, can someone else find an example of a possible Deconstruction of this in 7 since this troper cannot?
- I mean think about it, the world in XV has the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY as in XIII, and most numbered FF titles have nothing connecting them to each other story wise, yet XIII and XV do. And this isn't the first time that something like this has happened....The people who migrated to Gaia in VII, were people who came from Spira, which was in X....
- Very unlikely since Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII ended with the reveal that the world Bhunivelze was planning to migrate the souls to was a new planet he had just created... Earth. As in, OUR Earth.
- Except that Lightning have guided pretty much every souls from the old world, both living and dead into the new one, complete with their memories. So people are free to bring the mythologies from their old world into this one. So the setting physically looks a lot like Earth but contains traces of legends from the Final Fantasy XIII.
- You are forgetting a key point: in the ending, Bhunivelze turned into a crystal, and there is only one crystal in this game as well. Plus, the people who disembarked from the old world were even leaving their old mythologies behind. Now, won't that be a twist to remember?
- Additionally, in Kingsglaive it's revealed that Eos has a lot of technology that mirrors those of Earth (AMEX cards, Audi cars, Uniqlo stores, Casio wristwatches, etc) and at one point even has Taito arcade machines. Maybe the Earth Bhunivelze created is a mirror of our Earth that took a different path in history somewhere and ended up with several high-tech kingdoms instead of what we have on our Earth. It should also be noted that Gran Pulse also had technology similar to that belonging to Earth (i.e. very modern (to us) fiberglass playground equipment and split unit air conditioners are shown in the opening cinematic of Chapter 10. Split unit air conditioners also appear in Eos in the Brotherhood anime shorts). Given that how those souls who migrated to the new world kept their mythologies, you'd think they'd be allowed to keep the knowledge and tech that they regained in Gran Pulse as well.
- It's not like Square isn't known to have you as the player Kill the Cutie, either...
- The change from Versus XIII to XV has rendered this completely moot.
- Jossed, and it isn't even against a god either.
The final battle will be against Stella, possessed by Etro. Or possibly being backed up by Etro, who will have become a Summon Stella can use.
- See above, all jossed.
- Actually, it would most likely be both. Official Couple due to being shown damn close to each other in nearly everything, and Star-Crossed Lovers for TOO OBVIOUS reasons.
- Even after the XV change, confirmed on both counts.
In fact, this has just been confirmed: Nomura has stated in an interview that Noctis is gay.Or not. It was an April Fools prank.
- I read this as a Take That! to the bad fanbase. It Makes Sense in Context.
- Jossed, with a slight degree of tweaking. They are indeed the Official Couple, but Noctis's feeling are a little ambiguous.
- Ardyn does plenty of terrible things in the game, but he has a compelling enough backstory to keep from falling into the Complete Monster category.
- A grown up Hope, but Hope nevertheless.
- Probably not. Versus doesn't take place in the same world, and Noct has black hair.
- Hair dye.
- Noctis' hair seems pretty silver to me. Dark silver, but silver none the less.
- Actually, the entire Fabula Novus Crystallis trilogy is set in the same universe, and with all the magic Final Fantasy has, it would not be surprising if they could find someway to crossover. Their personalities certainly fits.
- Errr... actually, developers said that none of the Fabula Nova Crystallis games take place in the same world, save for the XIII trilogy; each game takes place in the same universe; they mentioned crossovers were unlikely. What they share is a common mythology and the "vague crystal theme."
- But, you never know. For all we know, at the end of Lightning Returns, the new world Bhunivelze creates to escape the chaos infected Nova Crysallia, is the same world that XV takes place in. After all, they have the same mythology, unlike most FF titles....
- Probably not. Versus doesn't take place in the same world, and Noct has black hair.
- Compare and contrast the Gran Pulse WMG one below. It may not be the Maker exactly, but somewhere close to the Goddess Etro, since she is featured more often.
- Calling plausible. If you pay real attention to the shots of Gran Pulse during the Chapter 10 opening cinematics of FFXIII, you'd see that the ruins contained some extremely modern tech, that also exists in FFXV.
A red color is when Noctis and his family line uses the Crystal. This explains why Noctis is able to be Badass in the first trailer, and why Noctis is the only person who can use magic: he's using the Crystal. This follows in line with the Red Eyes, Take Warning trope.
That gold/white eye color is the Gestalt Mode for that game. In other words, we may see Bahamut as a Summon for the game.
- Even better, Noctis and co. could ride Bahamut just like Fang did, and if the airships aren't around, could take the party across the skies over the cities.
- Though it appears that the game is based more on Hamlet than Romeo and Juliet.
- It goes with the Kill the Cutie tendency. Also, he's the one that everyone in the team seems most comfortable with. See how he messes around with Noctis, is ruffled by Gladiolus, and sits in the front seat with Ignis.
- Please note that he's the one Noctis is first seen interacting with before the explosion in the trailer.
- My guess is that this will send Noctis into a wild rampaging killing fit in revenge. And be an emotional turning point in the game.
- This might effectively move blondie's woobie status towards Noctis.
- If we're following the theme of this game taking from Hamlet, then everyone else will die out of Noct's posse, Prompto the last to survive and witness the "sweet prince" sacrifice himself at the very end of the game.
- If anyone's going to be the Horatio-type character, it'd probably be Ignis. He seems to be Noctis's advisor and strategist.
- It's a Final Fantasy staple that someone important to the player party must die, and FFV and FFVII shows that even playable characters are no exception. This can tie in to the Prompto being a traitor WMG, upon finding out the traitor (after all, how else is the Niflheim army finding their location to have troops sent to them?) the party must battle him to the death to make room for Luna to join the party, assuming FFV-style whole-game-stationary party.
- On the other hand, one interpretation of the ending is that Everyone Dies at the end and are reunited in the afterlife. So it's probably a big maybe instead.
- If this December 2016 leak is credible, then yes, the original story for Versus XIII would have had Stella being Dead All Along, with Noctis being her amnesiac killer.
- Someone's gonna hate something about it. A bunch of people are going to love something about it. Flame Wars will erupt. This is easily the least wild guess on the page.
- Hate is starting to spew at the news that the game has just been delayed again (albeit for only two months). So it's confirmed I guess.
- Basically confirmed at present. Tabata has revealed that the game is actually structured in reverse to XIII; with an open world at the start and a more linear path at the end, while being Final Fantasy, the debate is still raging.
- I think she already shows traits of this in the trailer (though Trailers Always Lie and/or it's only this troper's interpretation) at 2:00 the way how she just stares at the sky (presumably staring at the light) it's creepy and she looks cute at the same time. That or the animation makes it look creepy.
- Confirmed for Kingsglaive. Also confirmed for XV proper.
- And recent scans suggest that the alphabet of both games appear to be the same, which fuels the theory a bit.
- There have also been a few theories trying to link the Goddess Etro to Necron (appearance, theme of death) and Cosmos (an Aborted Arc from the trailer had the villains call Cosmos "The Goddess of Death", which is what the myths believe Etro to be).
- Averted for Agito, but confirmed for FFXV which got released in November 2016.
- A 10 year development cycle is pretty darn close.
- Jossed, the game got good reviews and has recieved praise from fans and even Ign made a video saying it didn't end up like that, spefically mentioning DNF
- Jossed; though Luna was indeed instrumental in Prompto befriending Noctis.
UPDATE: With the recent re-titling of Agito XIII to Type-0, it's possible that the latter half of this WMG is actually coming true. Who knows, perhaps the first half will as well...
- Alternatively, this game was meant to be FF15, but used Versus XIII as a fake working title. It's kind of like how some films are shipped out to theaters or auditions are given fake names.
- CONFIRMED: And not through the above post's reasoning. The trailer uses the tagline "the story of VERSUS", meaning it'll receive its own saga much like Final Fantasy XIII's "Lightning Saga" while still being tied to the Fabula Nova Crystalis series.
- Some people on the internet have guessed that Prompto is the White-Robed Man. Said man is blond, about the right height, and doesn't look exactly dissimilar. On the other hand, his hair is slightly longer than Prompto's and a lighter blond, and just about everybody's that little bit taller than Noctis. So...YMMV?
- Jossed as far as Prompto being the White-Robed man; that man appears to be Ravus Nox Fleuret.
- Noctis doesn't, and we'll never know about Stella now.
- Both Noctis and Stella have, most likely from having a near-death experience. It's not much of a stretch to assume that other characters have, and that they might want to use the powers they gained for evil.
- When the characters in one world (that is, either the Versus world or the XIII world) die, they are reincarnated into the other world. So, hypothetically, the Hope=Noctis WMG could be plausible. If/when Hope dies in the Final Fantasy XIII world, he could be reincarnated into Noctis.
- It's possible. Stella will be an antagonist in the game, as Noctis and Stella will be forced to fight each other, but it hasn't been revealed how Noctis will discover Stella is his enemy. And the armored woman is blond, which can mean Stella or an entirely new character.
- I mean, one's keeping his White Mage styled robe, and the other has Noctis' weapons ready. It's a tempting thought.
- Jossed, despite how interesting that sounds. A translation of King Caelum's lines in the 2011 trailer reveals him as (desiring to be) the last king and he is inevitably the one facing off against the white robed man in the trailer. Which leads me to ponder...
And if we're going to juice the life out of the Hamlet-based storyline theory, then the White Robed man would be Noctis' uncle seizing the crystal to rule over the kingdom.
- Confirmed and Jossed. This was indeed intended to be at the start of the game, but was transferred into Kingsglaive.
- It's not that hard to imagine this game ending on a Downer Ending of epic proportions. Somehow, every main character will die or otherwise rendered completely impotent as the game progresses. The game's said to have a theme of death, and Etro, the Goddess of Death, appears to be taking a major role in the story. Presumably, all of Noctis's friends will die first, probably making sacrifices which may or may not be senseless. The final boss will be a Hopeless Boss Fight which ends with Noctis dying at the hands of a Brainwashed and Crazy Stella, who goes comatose or dies after seeing him die. The villains won't necessarily win, but neither will the heroes.
- It's easier to list who's not confirmed dead by the end of the game, so yeah. Confirmed.
- Noctis will not be like Squall; that's just a front he puts up out of shyness, and he'll never have Squall's determination and focus. Stella might be similar to Rinoa, even meeting the hero while wearing a white dress, but she won't get the Distress Ball like Rinoa did, and maybe she'd rather be Just Friends, and instead of disliking her magical abilities (which may or may not be a case of Cursed with Awesome), she'll be pretty satisfied with them. Instead of FFVIII's unabashedly happy ending, Versus will end with a massive Downer Ending. Noctis won't end up with Stella or any other Love Interest, and, at least in this universe, you can't fight fate. While Rinoa was most certainly not Ultimecia, Stella will be the Big Bad, though not necessarily by time travel. Maybe Noctis will have Squall's Always Save the Girl mentality, but he won't always save her. Basically, Versus will be the inverse of Final Fantasy VIII, just to screw with the fans. The only theme they'll share is the youth of the main characters causing huge problems. Except in the case of Versus, said main characters won't be able to fix things.
- What else could be more tragic than Ultimate Good fighting against Ultimate Good?
- He's said to be a 'recent' friend of Noctis', and the rumours are flying around he's some sort of fugitive. What if he's a fugitive because of his l'Cie status, and his focus is to kill Noctis; he befriends him to get close.
- The real reason why he's a fugitive is that he uses a shotgun, which are banned in Noctis's country.
- Might actually be plausible. At its basic definition, l'Cie are beings who are granted powers from gods with a negative side-effect; the only individuals in the story who fit that description are the Lucian royal family and the individuals that they can share their powers with.
- It will be Subverted. He'll actually end up sobbing over Stella's corpse, as he was forced to kill her as part of Bhuniverzi's will, whispering "Stella" before the screen fades to black.
- Maybe this was the plan for Versus XIII but it's definitely not the case for XV.
Second, powers activate only by the cost of someone's else life, as mentioned at the trailer shown Stella and Noct talking about 'the light'. It's seen at the sky that night, and Noct says 'goodbye', possibly knowing what his father was up to. Shortly after that the assault begun. It's a first chapter.
More of it, there is this dream-like sequence in the wood at the morning, and because the camera is set low, it's most possibly Noct as a child. His father seems younger there, obviously. He is already dead by that time, it's an retrospection sent to haunt the user of powers bound.
In short: if you want to use the powers, keep killing. Make death stick to you. That's what allows you to use it without Crystal(which acts as a passive storage, people die every day). So yeah, Nice Job Noct...Stella wants to stop Noct when she realized the source of her powers, and it drives her possibly insane (supporting The Ophelia theory) or going Break The Cutie scenerio and join him.
The 'last act of love' is the twist in all this power deal- Crystal itself is fueled by deaths, and the last king, concerned by the well-being of his country and sanity of his child, decides to break the circle and cut Noct off the Crystal, destroing it in the process. That's why it's so bloody, killing is the fuel for magic and every power. It fits also 'fantasy based on reality' theme: power is usually earned by sacrificing something else, and through pain and suffering of people (tyrany).
- A: Become Final Fantasy XV like the above guess said.
- B: Given an entirely new name and become its own series.
It does seem strange that the spin-off takes longer to develop than the main series..
- Both are confirmed; Final Fantasy Versus XIII was changed to Final Fantasy XV, and "a world of the Versus epic" at the end of the E3 trailer heavily implies that there will be more to come of its saga. Saga actually entails more media; not just more games; currently there's Justice Monsters Five and A King's Tale.
- Nope, it's completely divorced from the XIII sub-franchise.
None of the titles in the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation have a truly happy ending (not counting alternate endings). And as so often stated, FFXIII is the darkest Final Fantasy title yet, so while dark does not always equals to bad ending, it does sometimes connect.
- It sure did.
- The Elder One- King Regis's brother. With all the Shakespearian connections, they'll probably go the Hamlet route and have him murder the King (and frame Noctis for it so he won't get the throne). In the trailer, Regis told somebody he was not fit to be king, but Word of God implied that it wasn't Noctis he was talking to.
- Jossed: This man is effectively Regis's opposite as the emperor of Niflheim.
- The Younger One- Either the elder's son or his clone. Possible dragon.
- Jossed; though he is his underling. He's actually Luna's brother.
- Noctis- Either Yuri Lowenthal, Johnny Yong Bosch, Aaron Dismuke, or Vincent Martella.
- Jossed. Noct is voiced by Ray Chase.
- Ignis- Either Troy Baker, Travis Willingham, or J. Michael Tatum.
- Jossed. Ignis is played by Adam Croasdell.
- Prompto- Vic Mignogna.
- Jossed. Robbie Daymond plays Prompto.
- Gladious- Crispin Freeman.
- Jossed. Chris Parson voices Gladious.
- Stella- Either Laura Bailey, Caitlin Glass, or Stephanie Sheh.
- I predict Prompto will be played by Yuri, Stella by Laura, and Noctis by either Troy or Aaron(because I think Vincent is too young).
- Jossed, see above. Additionally, Stella is pretty much out of the spotlight if not a completely scrapped character at this point.
- I for one predict Tara Strong to have a role somewhere.
- I predict Prompto will be played by Yuri, Stella by Laura, and Noctis by either Troy or Aaron(because I think Vincent is too young).
- Ardyn Izunia - Quinton Flynn. His seiyuu voiced Axel and Reno, and since Quinton voiced the same roles...
- Jossed. Darin De Paul plays Ardyn in both the Kingsglaive movie and the game itself.
- Luna- Maaya Sakamoto in Japanese, to reflect another Luna who replaced another Stella as the protagonist's love interest.
- Jossed; she's voiced by Rina Kitagawa.
- Iris- Catherine Taber (Penelo).
- Jossed, it's Eden Riegel.
- internal disagrements on what will be in the game
- Possible. We're talking about how it was planned to be a musical RPG at one point. That alone is enough to bring up images of what else they could've had planned for the game.
- hiding the developement of another game with the developement of Versus
- Remake of FF7 maybe. Probably the only thing that will cause people to forgive them for the wait.
- Square Enix's embarrassing no-show of any titles at the 2013 Playstation 4 reveal, other than the express command that fans "please wait and be excited," combined with some off-site evidence, indicates that development has moved to that console and the title has been renamed Final Fantasy XV.
- Which is exactly what happened.
Including Noctis, himself, and the rulers of those nations whose crystals were destroyed at the time of the war. Each had a Focus and a brand much like any lCie, only in Versus XIIIs world, a Focus is hereditary and passed down from heir-to-heir, and brings with it great power and authority.
- Lucis, L'cie... yep, makes sense.
One of several major themes that is said to be relevant to the games plot is Sleep, and as crystal stasis in Final Fantasy XIII was implied to be akin to eternal slumber, the theme of Sleep in Versus XIII may relate to some variation of crystal stasis.
The game is stated to take place at the clearing of a war between nations that revolved around the crystals think a nuclear exchange resulting in the crystals destruction. What if the end of the crystals brought about a kind of crystal stasis that enveloped the entire world? The game has post-apocalyptic overtones that lend its locales an eerie sense of desolation; crippled freeways, crooked power-lines running parallel to empty stretches of fractured road one wonders if the world really did survive the war at all.
Perhaps the events of the game are merely the product of an elaborate recreation of the real world, ala Final Fantasy Xs Dream Zanarkand, conjured by the dreams of those trapped within worldwide crystal stasis.
I mean, he's a blond with a fluffy hairstyle that looks short except for a lock hanging off on the side (at least from what I could make of it in the two seconds you see it in the 720p E3 trailer on Youtube) and they have similar enough facial structure (nose, even mouth if you subtract the shadow of the lips; maybe his face is a little slimmer, though?) at the ensemble cast card at the end. And writers do love those brother tropes.
- The fact that Prompto is a recently-made friend of Noctis might support the idea that Prompto and the Ass Creed guy might be the same person.
- They're probably not the same person, though they do seem to have similar hair color. One of the 2009 trailers show Noctis and the hooded Assassin's Creed-esque guy face-to-face, with the latter taking off his hood. It's a little difficult to tell from the lighting, but it looks as though the hooded guy has shoulder-length hair as opposed to Prompto's shorter, unruly hair. Hooded dude is also shown to use magic/powers of some sort while Prompto's a firearms specialist (unless Prompto turns out to use magic, too, for some reason).
- Along with the hair color, both hooded guy and Prompto's hair were changed to be wavier-looking (instead of straight like Stella's), too, between the 2009 trailer and E3 trailer.
- Jossed. The Hooded man is Ravus, Luna's brother.
- They went for a pretty Bittersweet Ending route with all 4 main party members dying in the ending.
- Possibly Jossed in terms of fighting, but confirmed in that he does meet up with the gang several times.
- EDIT: If the man's eyes are any indication, he's Gladiolus' father. They share the same eye colour. They also look disturbingly similar. The leap isn't too far to make, as both serve one half of the royal family, and the recently released (as of this edit) English guide states that the Amicitias are a long line of royal guards, and Gladio continues that tradition. The sinister nature of the image, however, cannot dissuade that this man may be capable of betrayal.
- If he was Gladio's father, this is Jossed; Clavus goes down fighting with King Regis. Possibly played straight if he's Titus, aka General Glauca, who WAS a traitor.
- Completely jossed, and Luna never joins as a guest party member.
- Jossed, Bahamut turns out to be something of a Big Good. Although the second-to-last boss was Ifrit.
- Jossed; he barely has any storyline relevance and disappears from the plot after the gang goes to Altissia.
- Noctis plays in what appears to be a more realistic & action packed kingdom hearts style game. His positioning on the battlefield will be very important during combat as he needs to be near others in order for them to use magic and he has access to various teleportion abilities. Noctis style will be a very fast paced action RPG with movement and positioning as key elements to success.
- Prompto will play in a Dirge Of Cerberus, third person shooter style.
- Ignis, being the tactician, will have a slow-paced, more traditional JRPG combat style of choosing commands from a large list of abilities. Ignis combat style will be there to appease fans of the older FF games.
- Gladiolus combat style will be similar to Noctis, but more grounded in reality and based on the timing of attacks, dodges, parries and blocks. Gladiolus style will be similar to The Witcher games.
- It can also be based on the gameplay of Dissidia Final Fantasy.
- Cor is a little difficult to place a concept around, but perhaps something more like a traditional fighting game/ Beat-Em-Up.
The original author of this WMG is somewhat downhearted to report this has been Jossed and is not the case as Noctis will be the only character that the player can directly control.
- Or not... because it has been announced that the party members are each getting their own DLC!
- Jossed, she never joins the party.
My bet's on Prompto.
- Jossed for Prompto and Gladio, who both show a keen interest in Cindy.
There seems to be no cool down, but there is a drawback: you don't get exp from a summon killing something. It's unknown if this is just a feature of Episode Duscae or an actual game trait, but with a condition as simple as "get into crit health" there has to be something to balance it out. Unless square wants It's Easy, So It Sucks! to be invoked.
The taste we got in Episode Duscae is leaving the nature of summons a little foggy, but then again it is likely an early build and the devs are still working out the kinks.
- WELL Stella's been revealed to be axed, so sadly Jossed... Unless they mention this anyways as a nod to her.
- Tabata allegedly has plans for her...but all the same, I wouldn't keep my hopes up.
- I think she will apper just as a cameo refrincing the orginal game.
- Well, the Kingsglaive movie did show Luna sneaking out of Lucis in the end, so it could be possible that they found a double (calling a bluff aside). Whether the double is named Stella as a tribute or joke tho, that will be the Riddle for the Ages.
- Totally jossed, there's no mention of Stella anywhere in the game.
- Lucis's Archaean: Hades or Zalera
- It's Bahamut, who resides in the Crystal and as evidenced in the Omen trailer, can talk with Regis.
- Niflheim: Bahamut or Tiamat
- They don't seem to have one. Although Ardyn seems to have a good working partnership with Ifrit.
- Solheim: Ifrit
- Supplementary materials reveal that Solheim is gone, they were the predecessor country that eventually became Niflheim.
- Tenebrae: Fenrir
- It's actually Shiva for Tenebrae, mostly using her human form Gentiana.
- Also, regarding Accordo, Leviathan is a colossal jerkass who was throwing a temper tantrum that ended up destroying Altissia. She doesn't care about the country.
- The Knights are the Knights of the Round Table, which would be fitting since FFXV originated from a concept for FFVII.
- The familiar looking woman is Shiva. Remember there was a scene on a train in one of the earlier trailers that showed a sudden snowstorm coming in.
- The mermaid is Siren.
- The draconic/demonic man could be:
- Diabolos, this one seems to fit the most.
- Hades; the way he's holding the Mermaid suggests the two of them being lovers. Of all previous summons that could fit in that place in the portrait, Hades is the only one who had a lover, or could be depicted as demonic.
- Ifrit, finishing off the Fire, Lightning, Ice and Water as the basic spells. And Fire and Water are not depicted as total opposites in Final Fantasy.
- The Angels could be the two remaining gods of the trio, or even Alexander and Seraph.
- The gorgon is Medusa.
- And the minotaur may be Ifrit, or Minotaur from Final Fantasy VIII.
- Herald: Prince Noctis, allow me to introduce to you Her Royal Highness, Princess Lunafreya—Luna: It's Luna!!Herald: —Lunafreya Nox Fleuret of Tenebrae, who prefers to be known only by the first two syllables of her first name.
- The reason Regis aged so swiftly is because Lucis' protective spell drained energy from him. It seems plausible that Noctis' constant use of spells in combat is doing the same to him, only on a smaller, less harmful scale.
- Funnily, oddly enough...plausible. After Regis dies, his spirit ascends to the same place as those of the previous Lucian kings, and they later animate giant statues to battle the Daemons.
- At any rate, this never happens.
- Luna is a Foil to Noctis in basically every possible way, and Noctis's divine powers help him kill people; it's only natural that Luna's powers would correspondingly bring the dead back to life. (Perhaps their 'gifts' are meant to be used cooperatively, resulting in the creation of multiple undead minions to do Etro's will.) In addition, Luna has a very White Mage aesthetic- white dresses, civilian gear, no visible armor- and press releases have revealed that she is literally worshiped by many people. In fantasy settings like XV's, religion is usually related to magic in some way.
- Jossed, again because the game is completely divorced from the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology.
- The character of Crowe in Kingsglaive does have her hairstyle deliberaely based on Agni's, but otherwise jossed and she never makes an appearance.
- She has nothing to do with XV. Only time will tell what happens with Final Fantasy XVI.
- Well, he's dead as of the end of Kingsglaive. So unless he does have a major plan or unless Emperor Iedolas Aldercapt is the real King Regis and doesn't get betrayed by Ardyn Izunia, or worse, unless Ardyn Izunia is in fact King Regis, it's a full-on Jossed.
- There's no mention of Agni in the game.
- She's wearing black armor which would imply that she is from Lucis but later on decided to work with Niflhiem, which the color of the uniforms should be white instead.
- Possible, as it is confirmed that she and her unit are Private Military Contractors.
- Alternatively, she is a Reverse Mole and only attacked Noctis and Co so her cover wouldn't be blown.
- Nope, she's a mercenary, but she is very, very much a stickler about her job and quits the fight because she claims her working hours are over and she's not getting paid overtime.
- She had no dialogue in the ATR trailer but that split-second long grunt she let out sounded exactly like Mosquito Girl, Sice, and Sinon.
- Confirmed: Her one line in the Uncovered final trailer is definitely Sawashiro's voice.
- This would be a Meaningful Release Date, as it would be exactly ten years after the game was first announced.
- Jossed, the release date is set for September 30, 2016.
- Double-Jossed. It got postponed to November 29th, 2016.
- Jossed, the release date is set for September 30, 2016.
We knew Stella and Noctis were going to fight each other at some point because it was explicitly shown in a trailer. If that scene hadn't been included, no one would have thought that they would become enemies, given the other information available regarding Stella (that she was from Tenebrae and met Noctis at a party). In contrast to that, while Luna hasn't been shown getting ready to fight Noctis, there are a lot of hints that appear to lead to that particular showdown.
As some others have mentioned, Luna is definitely a foil to Noctis, from their names, to their hair colour, to their clothing, to their powers they're contrasted in pretty much every possible way, really. Why set up so many opposing qualities, if they're not going to end up on opposing sides of the conflict? In the Dawn 2.0 trailer, it was stated that "fifteen years ago... their journey began", followed by shots of both of them walking towards an unknown destination. Taken at face value, it may seem that their journey is one and the same (defeating Niflheim to bring freedom and peace), but they're shown to walk towards that unseen future by themselves, not together, which might imply that they're on different journeys, with different goals. Additionally, SE's caption of that very same scene of Luna's Power Walk states "Lady Lunafreya's face is full of determination. Is it revenge she seeks, peace among nations, or something more?".
We're told that Luna is a strong-willed woman, but the ambiguity of her motivations is a pretty clear red flag. Not to mention, Noctis, who is undeniably the good guy, is from Lucis, which means "light" in latin. Luna is from Tenebrae, which means "darkness" in latin. Suspicious.
- Alternatively, he doesn't die as not every character Sean Bean plays dies and it will be a Plot Twist that reveals that King Regis was just playing dead.
- Confirmed. He dies near the end of Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV.
- Considering this scene was from the old Versus XIII concept, it never comes up in XV.
- Confirmed. It's supposedly a game within a game, although the game will be released independently for iOS and Android devices.
- It is stated that Noctis's mother died when he was an infant and he seems too old to be an infant in episode 1 of Brotherhood.
- However, this is EXACTLY what happens to Ravus's mother, and Ravus is being presented as a Foil to Noctis...in an attempt on the lives of Noctis and Regis no less!
- Aside from the mother part, this was mostly confirmed in episode 5 of Brotherhood. The woman was one of Noct's caretakers, and the bodyguards' suspicions that the creature had broken the Wall strongly indicate it was sent by Niflheim.
Jossed while Prompto was from Nifhelm, he never does any betraying but Noctis does betray him... in a sense.
- For certain values of destroyed. It could have gotten destroyed before it gets turned into an airship.
- Or turned into an airship BECAUSE it gets destroyed!
- Exactly what I was trying to say!
- Or turned into an airship BECAUSE it gets destroyed!
- Confirmed, it does get shot up and rendered inoperable when Noct, Ignis, and Gladio go to Gralea, the Niflheim capital.
- While it doesn't really confirm anything, but it seems like she is Gladilous' younger sister Iris.
- She is confirmed to act as a guest at the very least.
- Aranea Highwind is the other guest female party member who is with you for a more significant amount of time.
I could recognize his voice in the wait mode preview @ 2:06 2:07 Prompto youre up! then @2:14 Im impressed!
- Alternatively, it will be Gladiolus; Glauca killed his father too.
- Jossed, Glauca died at the end of Kingsglaive.
- Jossed; his first name has been revealed to be Titus.
- It will be awesome if this does happen and Gilgamesh appears as a Bonus Boss, along with a remix of Battle at the Big Bridge.
- He is not in the game, and Glauca is a different character entirely.
- he was confirmed to be in the Episode Gladious DLC though.
- He is not in the game, and Glauca is a different character entirely.
- I know this is a joke, but I'm going to joss it. Kingsglaive reveals that the real reason Drautos hates Regis is because of the former's perception of Fantastic Racism- he feels that people from outside Insomnia are not treated as those born in Insomnia itself. This is another reason he bought into Niflheim's propaganda and became a mole- Niflheim was promising equality.
- Jossed since Glauca died in Kingsglaive.
- Absolutely confirmed, she's the human form of Shiva.
Ignis = Ardyn
Gladiolus = Glauca
Prompto = Iedolas
- There is no Chapter 0 and Agni has nothing to do with XV.
- This is supported with his age is stated to be 42 and he is voiced by Matthew Mercer.
- Ends up jossed as his role in the plot is very minimal.
- Seemingly confirmed given the above you'd think.
- Self-jossing the bringing Regis back to life part given the scenes in the VA interview video, but yes, confirmed that King Regis has apparently planned everything including his death from the start.
- Looking more and more likely, especially after the TGS 2016 trailer turns his sleaziness Up to Eleven and a lot of his florid dialogue seems to hint that he's getting bored with the Empire and he's looking for bigger fish to fry.
- Confirmed indeed, and it even does happen at roughly the halfway point. The only inaccuracy is that he doesn't take over the empire, so much as he simply unleashes all the captured Daemons and reprogrammed Magitek Troopers to utterly burn the country to dust.
- Confirmed, sort of. No war machine, but this is the first time in a Final Fantasy game where the final boss (Ardyn) is just a very powerful human who possesses the same magic that you do, without a One-Winged Angel form.
- Though it should be noted there were plans for a One-Winged Angel transformation that ended up cut!
- It's just the six.
- Nope, Umbra's still on your side even through the end of the game.
- Jossed, mostly because The Hero Dies. If that hadn't happened though, this WMG would have been pretty true as Noct did lose everyone and everything he cared about.
One of the line of Lucis Caelem was Ardyn, who had to power to heal the Starscourge. (I'm not clear on where his powers come from. Was he an Oracle?) However, his method of healing meant absorbing the deamons into his own body, and over time he came to absorb so much that his body and soul basically became one with the Starscourge and the daemons. Even if his body were to be destroyed (like when Shivah froze him and he broke to pieces), his soul would simply reemerge from the Other side and the Starscourge would reform his body. The king of Lucis (probably his father, a brother or even his son) deemed him a monster for this, and exiled him. Ardyn then came to hate the line of Lucis Caelem. He took the surname Izunia and manipulated the events of the last few hundred years to bring about war to wipe out Lucis. He gave the Empire the technology for the magitek soldiers and helped them win the war. By then, however, he had become so unhinged that just destroying the line of Lucis Caelem was not enough: he wanted to kill the true Chosen King, not the prince, so he guided and even helped Noctis along the way to make sure he awakened his power by coming into contact with the crystal. As his plans were coming together, he also killed Lunafreya, the Oracle, the only person still able to heal the Starscourge and keep the night at bay. With Lunafreya dead, the night grew longer until there were simply no more daylight. In this world of ruin, Adryn waited for the time when Noctis would awaken and finally come for their final showdown.
Ten years later, Noctis awoke from within the crystal. Bahamut warned him that eradicating the Starscourge would cost his life. That came to pass after his confrontation with Ardyn in the Crown city of Insomnia. Even though Noctis managed to kill his physical form, Ardyn's soul would simply reemerge after a while. Noctis had to take the power of all twelve past kings (an act that might have killed him in itself), and then die in order to cross to the Other side. There, the power of the light from the twelve kings destroyed Ardyn's soul and the Starscourge, and morning came after ten years.
So, yeah, or something else. They really left a bunch of wholes in the story. Look forward to the 120+ pages FFXV guide to patch everything up!
- This is on the right track, more details available in the Ultimania book.
The empire discovered an unaccounted for barcode frequency originating near Noctis, discovered it was coming from Prompto, and started geotracking the group through the signal from Prompto's barcode.
- Given the XIII trilogy being panned for — among other things — its seeming addiction to that trope, combined with Square visibly trying to create an Author's Saving Throw difference between those entries and this one, don't you think that something Lighter and Softer (albeit without the sheer cheese of X-2) would be a better bet instead?
- Episode Gladiolous: It'll go into what he was doing during Party of Three.
- Episode Ignis: The events leading to his blinding.
- Confirmed, considering how the teaser shown at the end of Episode Prompto still has him with his sight, followed by the sound of glass breaking when the release date is shown.
- Episode Prompto: What he was doing after he got knocked off the train and before his capture.
- As a bonus, Stella will be the protagonist.
- To add to this theory: This installment would have the same general background as FFXV, but embrace more reality with its plot as opposed to vanilla XV embracing fantasy in regards to Ardyn, the Starscourge, and the Greater-Scope Villain Ifrit and the divine conflict. This will take the form of following many concepts seen in Versus XIII that were otherwise scrapped or heavily altered for XV.
- The War Is Hell implications given off by earlier trailers and Episode Duscae is going to be involved full-force; instead of the plot revolving around Ardyn's machinations and the Starscourge, alongside Noct and Luna's fated deaths to fulfill the prophecy, instead the plot will involve more of the struggle against the empire of Niflheim itself, taking the old FF concept of The Empire and applying it to a more realistic world just like the former, more fantasy plot above.
- More cityscape and urban areas will be explorable. That being said, classic FF monsters like Demon Wall or Tonberries will either be drastically retooled or left as Easter Eggs to give way to more "real" enemies, from mobile turrets to enemy infantry, to possibly airships.
- The scrapped "mafia" concept found in the original Versus XIII drafts will be revived, either applied to Noctis to cast a shade of gray to the conflict with The Empire or Lunafreya to create a situation similar to that of Stella Nox Flueret.
- The divine will be largely left out of the plot, or used for warfare. This could take the form of Regis summoning Bahamut to blast the imperial army, to the Empire summoning Ifrit to sunder a city.
- Similar to how XV was Darker and Edgier with a much more grim story and Nightmare Fuel abound, Versus XV would be Darker and Edgier in that there would be more political conflicts and consequences. Likewise, a good chunk of the story may actually take the roadtrip in the vanilla game and twist it to instead of being about Noctis going to a wedding with Luna and summoning power from the gods, instead it would still involve the wedding, but it would be for a far more practical reason; to unite Lucis and Tenebrae against Niflheim and have the power of both the Lucian King and the Oracle fighting against The Empire.
- Finally, the plot will imply the game takes place in an Alternate Universe born when Ardyn was eradicated, tying into another WMG theory, hence the absence of daemons or Ardyn.
It is my impression that Noctis and the party's weapons work via a kind of hammerspace system, where the weapons are kept in some kind of pocket dimension that they reach into to draw their weapons when in a fight. Considering Noctis is the source/the primary anchor for the storage system, the other party members, being tied to him as companions and retainers, can equip their various weapons due to his magic.
That being said, one possible idea to consider is that Noctis performs his bladewarp by throwing any one of his weapons, and once thrown, dives into his pocket dimension storage himself due to it being tied to his blood as the prince of Lucis, and uses the sword he threw as a beacon to pop out of the pocket dimension back into real space where the sword is. This would explain why the other party members can't warp, seeing as they aren't of royal blood. That's my guess, at least.
- Kingsglaive shows that anyone can learn to blade warp as long as the king lends his power to them (Nyx and his fellow Kingsglaive could all do it until Regis died). The more likely explanation on why the other party members can't warp is that Noct never figured out how to share the ability.
- Alternatively, he just wasn't strong enough yet. It's implied if not outright stated that when Noctis and co. leave the Crown City for the wilds outside, that it's their first time in a real fight. And, obviously, if game mechanics are anything to go by, Noct (particularly early) only has so many times he can even shift away from an enemy attack before he has to rest for a while, completely away from the action. So not only has he likely not mastered how to funnel his power to his friends to blade warp, it's very likely he just didn't have enough power to spare. Of course, from a meta perspective, it was probably just because imbuing everyone else with the power to blade-warp would have been a nightmare to balance. By the game mechanic (given that they would have been drawing on Noctis's power) they would have had to tie everyone to Noctis's MP supply, which would have limited him severely (read: going into stasis at inopportune times because one of your AI-bros was spamming his blade warp too much). At the same time, without that limitation (and even to some degree with it, once one's level/MP got high enough) it would've made Noctis's mates overpowered as hell.
The last time we really see them is when they and Noctis share one final farewell before Noctis heads for the throne, leaving them to fend off the army of daemons forming outside. The game never specifies if they managed to come out of that fight alive. Their appearance alongside Noctis and Regis in the afterlife when the former finishes off Ardyn for good may not be symbolic...
...who Noctis doesn't know about. He secretly was in a relationship, but cut off that relationship shortly before the start of the series. Said child could be the sole survivor of the Lucis bloodline, therefore ensuring that the Big Bad didn't get the main thing he wanted.
- Or alternatively, Noctis has a half-sibling or a distant cousin.
- The two have so many commonalities that it almost seems too many to be coincidental. Similar blond hair, similar affinities and talents for mechanical things, similar obsession over one of the game's transport mechanics (Cindy with cars, the Regalia in particular, and Prompto with chocobos), and similarly themed names (Argentum = Silver; Aurum = Gold). This makes more sense if Cindy had similar origins to Prompto and was adopted by either Cid's child or Cid himself, who is using the cover story of Cindy's parents dying when she was young to explain her origins to everyone else.
- In that case that'd make her an Opposite-Sex Clone of Verstael.
- One could argue that Ardyn's role was already predicted and set by prophecy, as were Noctis's and Luna's. But Aldercapt's greed for the crystal and subsequent betrayal of the peace treaty with Lucis required both Noctis and Luna to step into their roles much sooner than intended, and particularly in Noctis's case, before he was truly ready to accept such a responsibility. In a world where Aldercapt and Niflheim play the long game and wait a few more years to make their move on the crystal, Noctis probably marries Luna and has enough time for peace to bear children - children that could have been protected by Cor or others even if things went completely to hell and Noct and Luna had to give their lives to save Eos as had been fated for them. But in canon, not only is the line of Lucis extinguished (just like Ardyn wanted - and this likely had a lot to do with why he killed Luna first), but the world that remains basically has to reboot itself with no structure or leadership.
- As crude as it sounds, it seems like something of a tactical error for the ruler of the strongest kingdom on the continent to have reached the apparent age that he did and have failed to produce any sort of offspring. Hell, that's an unbelievable amount of Genre Blindness. Every third RPG (including this one) starts with a king dying and a proper successor either nonexistent, unknown, or unavailable to take the helm. Perhaps he can't have children at his age - also possibly, he was never able. Either way, it probably occurred to Aldercapt that Niflheim would quickly go to pieces if he died without having a successor. (To be fair, he was very right.) So he made a play for the crystal, perhaps thinking it would give him eternal life. (Because, also, half of the evil emperors in RPG existence want quick power for world domination. The other half usually want to live forever.) But when things eventually went sideways and Ardyn usurped him, he probably figured, "I'm too old to survive this anyway, better to live as a powerful daemon than die as a mere mortal." Which might have worked, had Noctis and his friends never gone back to Insomnia.
- Energy cannot be created or destroyed, right? It's possible that they 'seeped' into Eos' people. The magic would be weaker (akin to spells in previous Final Fantasy entries)- because it's spread between more people- and need to be directed at a specific target, but it would clearly exist. Also supporting this idea is the glacier left around one of Shiva's corpses, which lasts way too long to be merely attack residue. Maybe it seeped into the world too, creating a sort of Eosian version of Macalania Forest.
- Jossed. PS4 and X-box are scheduled to have pocket release when they already have the original game, while the switch will only have the pocket edition announced.
- This comes across as more of a Headscratcher than a WMG, but to hazard a guess, what we can infer is that the Warrior became known as such because he eschewed the sociopolitical aspects of his office in favor of waging endless war against whatever society produced the assailants that killed his queen. Where once he'd been a worthy and noble king, he was lost to grief and hatred once his beloved was taken and "changed forever" into a man who cared for nothing more than laying waste to his enemies.
- According to Shiva, Ifrit hates mankind because Solheim stopped worshiping (or straight up stopped believing in) the Astrals, and being that he was the one who gave mortals fire in the first place, he took it personally.
Ifrit is fire, Eos is light; if the Pitioss Theory is true and holds that Ifrit went into the underworld/land of the dead/underground prison to rescue a pregnant Eos, it's not because he was in love with her and went to save her despite feeling betrayed, it's because she was his sister and she was carrying his niece/nephew. If Ardyn was that child (or one of those children, if she was having twins), Ifrit may well have been part of his entire mortal life from the very beginning. We know Ardyn made contact with the Astrals, there's no reason why Ifrit couldn't have been the first one.
- So where does Gentiana/Shiva come in? The clue comes in on the cover of the Cosmogony book. While Bahamut and Ardyn are prominent, a woman with closed eyes and dark hair, wearing white, is in the background, holding the Trident. It's easy to assume this is Shiva in human form before passing the Trident on, based on Ardyn's line in the dub where he appears to recognise her before she freezes him - making it sound like it's the face she wore the day he encountered the gods. However, in the Japanese version, Ardyn's line is cut off differently, revealing that Gentiana is the face she wore the day she was killed - referring to how Niflheim killed Shiva in the backstory (notably the expanded backstory implies Ardyn specifically resurrected Ifrit at this time specifically to get Shiva's attention to kill her - an oddly direct act of spite on his part given he doesn't go after any of the other Astrals in this way).
- So who is the woman on the cover of the Cosmogony - well, she's the Oracle. Notable characters from Tenebrae are known for their white clothes while notable characters from Lucis are known for their dark clothes (which was actually some visual Foreshadowing for Ardyn - notable characters from Niflheim wear white and red, but aside from a dash of red, Ardyn wears black) - the woman holding the Trident is wearing white, like Luna, but she has black hair, like the Lucis Caelum's. Shiva's guise of Gentiana primarily wears black, with a splash of white and gold (and the black and gold combination evokes Regis, a Lucian king), but is otherwise identical to the woman on the book.
- There's no need for the gods to have an Oracle (as there'd be no need for line of descent), which suggests the 'original' Gentiana is another Lucis Caelum before the family line diverged to the Nox Fleuret's, and likely a close relative of Ardyn's given they have the same power of healing the Starscourge, possibly a daughter or even a sister. Ardyn seems to have a special hatred of Shiva specifically, so if she's taking the guise of someone he used to care for, that could be reason why.