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**Considering that one of the endings has Hope Springs getting nuked, it's possible that the government was indeed preoccupied with an international crisis that eventually spiraled out of control into nuclear war.
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*Supporting the hallucination theory is the fact that the nuke ending only happens after you've been dosed with a massive amount of Bliss, and the world doesn't seem to get nuked in the ending where you choose not to fight Joseph.
**There are also other elements of the nuke ending that seem to suggest it being some kind of shared hallucination; You don't see birds falling out of the sky until Pratt tells you about them, for instance.
[[WMG: The nuke ending was real, but Joseph Seed himself set off the nukes, and it's not a nuclear war.]]
*Joseph's cult are in control of three missile silos, yet you never see any warheads. What's more, during the nuke ending, there are three explosions, and the nukes only detonate in the ending where Joseph Seed doesn't get his way. It's possible that his cult recovered three functional nukes from the silos, and he had them hidden across Hope County as a last measure of protection against outside influence, or as a way of jump-starting his doomsday prophecy so that he could rule over an isolated cult in his underground bunker.
**Joseph doesn't look surprised at the nuke going off, and he seems to anticipate exactly when it will happen. The only explanation is that either he's an actual prophet, or he's the one who started the countdown timer. He would've had plenty of time to slip away and start the countdown remotely during your hallucination boss fight against him.
***When you're in the bunker with him, he doesn't seem upset at the world ending so much as upset that he doesn't have any more brainwashed followers to torment because of you. So the idea of him wanting an isolated group of followers trapped underground with him checks out.
**There are also other elements of the nuke ending that seem to suggest it being some kind of shared hallucination; You don't see birds falling out of the sky until Pratt tells you about them, for instance.
[[WMG: The nuke ending was real, but Joseph Seed himself set off the nukes, and it's not a nuclear war.]]
*Joseph's cult are in control of three missile silos, yet you never see any warheads. What's more, during the nuke ending, there are three explosions, and the nukes only detonate in the ending where Joseph Seed doesn't get his way. It's possible that his cult recovered three functional nukes from the silos, and he had them hidden across Hope County as a last measure of protection against outside influence, or as a way of jump-starting his doomsday prophecy so that he could rule over an isolated cult in his underground bunker.
**Joseph doesn't look surprised at the nuke going off, and he seems to anticipate exactly when it will happen. The only explanation is that either he's an actual prophet, or he's the one who started the countdown timer. He would've had plenty of time to slip away and start the countdown remotely during your hallucination boss fight against him.
***When you're in the bunker with him, he doesn't seem upset at the world ending so much as upset that he doesn't have any more brainwashed followers to torment because of you. So the idea of him wanting an isolated group of followers trapped underground with him checks out.
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Due to the clouds of Bliss caused by Joseph knocking over the two barrels before the start of the fight neither ending is in fact real, Joseph is really dead and the post game is The Deputy recovering from the hallucinations.
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Due to the clouds of Bliss caused by Joseph knocking over the two barrels before the start of the fight neither ending is in fact real, Joseph is really dead and the post game is The Deputy recovering from the hallucinations.hallucinations.
[[WMG: Joseph Seed was KilledOffscreen.]]
Explains the X in his portrait in the PlayableEpilogue and why the player is now free to go out and about afterwards; the Deputy was somehow able to overcome his brainwashing/escape the bunker and managed to kill Joseph.
[[WMG: Joseph Seed was KilledOffscreen.]]
Explains the X in his portrait in the PlayableEpilogue and why the player is now free to go out and about afterwards; the Deputy was somehow able to overcome his brainwashing/escape the bunker and managed to kill Joseph.
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Due to the clouds of Bliss caused by Joseph knocking over the two barrels before the start of the fight neither ending is in fact real, Joseph is really dead the post game is The Deputy recovering from the hallucinations.
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Due to the clouds of Bliss caused by Joseph knocking over the two barrels before the start of the fight neither ending is in fact real, Joseph is really dead and the post game is The Deputy recovering from the hallucinations.
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* Alternatively Joseph will be betrayed by Faith because she has fallen in love with the Deputy.
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Boomer will be adopted by the player character and live the rest of his life being petted.
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Boomer will be adopted by the player character and live the rest of his life being petted.petted.
[[WMG: The Deputy was hallucinating the end of the game]]
Due to the clouds of Bliss caused by Joseph knocking over the two barrels before the start of the fight neither ending is in fact real, Joseph is really dead the post game is The Deputy recovering from the hallucinations.
[[WMG: The Deputy was hallucinating the end of the game]]
Due to the clouds of Bliss caused by Joseph knocking over the two barrels before the start of the fight neither ending is in fact real, Joseph is really dead the post game is The Deputy recovering from the hallucinations.
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* Apparently Jossed; the cult is able to take over without interference by cutting off the roads and phone lines, simply due to the area being geographically isolated and sparsely populated (essentially the same premise as ''Film/{{Tremors}}''). Also, the game seems to take place over a relatively short period of time, so it's not like the cult needs to maintain their rule for several months unnoticed.
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Like in Previous Far Cry games it will be revealed some or most of the major NPC characters you've helped through the game are actually rather unsavory in their own ways and not much better than the people you helped them fight, including a few who are potentially worse or equal.
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Like in Previous previous Far Cry games it will be revealed some or most of the major NPC characters you've helped through the game are actually rather unsavory in their own ways and not much better than the people you helped them fight, including a few who are potentially worse or equal.
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It would explain how they were able to seize control of Hope County without the Feds learning or moving in, while also giving Seed an casus belli for their premonitions of an imminent apocalypse and justify his cause to his followers whilst attracting new converts.
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It would explain how they were able to seize control of Hope County without the Feds learning or moving in, while also giving Seed an casus belli a ''casus belli'' for their his premonitions of an imminent apocalypse and justify his cause to his followers whilst attracting new converts.
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* Secret ending confirmed; like in 4 you just do nothing at the start when confronting Joseph Seed with the Marshal when you get th3 prompt to arrest him.
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* Secret ending confirmed; like in 4 you just do nothing at the start when confronting Joseph Seed with the Marshal when you get th3 the prompt to arrest him.
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* Alternatively Josephh will be betrayed by Faith because she has fallen in love with the Deputy.
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* Alternatively Josephh Joseph will be betrayed by Faith because she has fallen in love with the Deputy.Deputy.
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* Alternatively Josephh will be betrayed by Faith because she has fallen in love with the Deputy.
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It would explain how they were able to seize control of Hope County without the Feds learning or moving in, while also giving Seed an casus belli for their premonitions of an imminent apocalypse and justify his cause to his followers whilst attracting new converts.
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It would explain how they were able to seize control of Hope County without the Feds learning or moving in, while also giving Seed an casus belli for their premonitions of an imminent apocalypse and justify his cause to his followers whilst attracting new converts.converts.
[[WMG: You will be able to give your Guns for Hire a happy ending]]
If you perform certain side quests, their character arcs will conclude in a happy way. Examples:
Sharky Boshaw "Fights Because He Has No Friends." His final quest will have him saying how you're his best friend and engaging in a man hug with the player.
Hurk Jr. will be considered a local legend and hero, finally achieving his dream of being respected. His father might even have aligned with the cult, with Hurk Jr. getting to kill him for revenge.
Grace Armstrong will succeed in keeping hope alive.
Boomer will be adopted by the player character and live the rest of his life being petted.
[[WMG: You will be able to give your Guns for Hire a happy ending]]
If you perform certain side quests, their character arcs will conclude in a happy way. Examples:
Sharky Boshaw "Fights Because He Has No Friends." His final quest will have him saying how you're his best friend and engaging in a man hug with the player.
Hurk Jr. will be considered a local legend and hero, finally achieving his dream of being respected. His father might even have aligned with the cult, with Hurk Jr. getting to kill him for revenge.
Grace Armstrong will succeed in keeping hope alive.
Boomer will be adopted by the player character and live the rest of his life being petted.
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* He's one of the in-game companion characters you can unlock.
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[[WMG: Eden's Gate are taking advantage of a national crisis that is preventing the Federal government from intervening]]
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[[WMG: Eden's Gate are taking advantage of a national crisis such as a natural disaster or terrorist attack that is preventing the Federal government from intervening]]
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Like in Previous Far Cry games it will be revealed some or most of the major NPC characters you've helped through the game are actually rather unsavory in their own ways and not much better than the people you helped them fight, including a few who are potentially worse or equal.
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Like in Previous Far Cry games it will be revealed some or most of the major NPC characters you've helped through the game are actually rather unsavory in their own ways and not much better than the people you helped them fight, including a few who are potentially worse or equal.equal.
[[WMG: Eden's Gate are taking advantage of a national crisis that is preventing the Federal government from intervening]]
It would explain how they were able to seize control of Hope County without the Feds learning or moving in, while also giving Seed an casus belli for their premonitions of an imminent apocalypse and justify his cause to his followers whilst attracting new converts.
[[WMG: Eden's Gate are taking advantage of a national crisis that is preventing the Federal government from intervening]]
It would explain how they were able to seize control of Hope County without the Feds learning or moving in, while also giving Seed an casus belli for their premonitions of an imminent apocalypse and justify his cause to his followers whilst attracting new converts.
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[[WMG: There will be a lot of [[BlackAndGrayMorality Black and Gray]] or [[GreyAndGrayMorality Morality]] by the end of the game]]
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[[WMG: There will be a lot of [[BlackAndGrayMorality Black and & Gray]] or [[GreyAndGrayMorality Grey & Gray Morality]] by the end of the game]]
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Besides being an Awesome moment in itself, it would lead to some crowning moments of funny such as civilians freaking out at the sight of you being followed around by a cougar or you being denied service at a bar on account of you hanging out with a grizzly bear. Heartwarming moments as well with people commenting on you being a FriendToAllLivingThings.
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Besides being an Awesome moment in itself, it would lead to some crowning moments of funny such as civilians freaking out at the sight of you being followed around by a cougar or you being denied service at a bar on account of you hanging out with a grizzly bear. Heartwarming moments as well with people commenting on you being a FriendToAllLivingThings.FriendToAllLivingThings.
[[WMG: There will be a lot of [[BlackAndGrayMorality Black and Gray]] or [[GreyAndGrayMorality Morality]] by the end of the game]]
Like in Previous Far Cry games it will be revealed some or most of the major NPC characters you've helped through the game are actually rather unsavory in their own ways and not much better than the people you helped them fight, including a few who are potentially worse or equal.
[[WMG: There will be a lot of [[BlackAndGrayMorality Black and Gray]] or [[GreyAndGrayMorality Morality]] by the end of the game]]
Like in Previous Far Cry games it will be revealed some or most of the major NPC characters you've helped through the game are actually rather unsavory in their own ways and not much better than the people you helped them fight, including a few who are potentially worse or equal.
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* OR they'll baptize you and you'll become apart of the Eden's Gate family similar to the the ["wait here for a minute" ending of Far Cry 4 where you join Pagan if you do wait when told.](https://youtu.be/Jx_MDxgWO4Y?t=4m1s)
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* OR they'll baptize you and you'll become apart of the Eden's Gate family similar to the the ["wait [[https://youtu.be/Jx_MDxgWO4Y?t=4m1s "wait here for a minute" ending of Far Cry 4 where you join Pagan if you do wait when told.](https://youtu.be/Jx_MDxgWO4Y?t=4m1s)
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* OR they'll baptize you and you'll become apart of the Eden's Gate family similar to the the ["wait here for a minute" ending of Far Cry 4 where you join Pagan if you do wait when told.](https://youtu.be/Jx_MDxgWO4Y?t=4m1s)
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[[WMG: The Climax of the game will be during a Waco-Style raid of the Fundamentalists base.]]
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[[WMG: The Climax climax of the game will be during a Waco-Style Waco-style raid of the Fundamentalists fundamentalists' base.]]
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[[WMG: Willis will appear in this game]]
He's likely the reason why what amounts to a group of religious zealots are able to outright take over a county on US soil. He could also be there to fight them, but not out of the goodness of his heart, but perhaps they screwed him out of a deal and he wants payback.
He's likely the reason why what amounts to a group of religious zealots are able to outright take over a county on US soil. He could also be there to fight them, but not out of the goodness of his heart, but perhaps they screwed him out of a deal and he wants payback.
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[[WMG: The 'Fang-For-Hire' system will be commented upon by NPCs.]]
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[[WMG: The 'Fang-For-Hire' system will be commented upon by NPCs.other characters.]]
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Not only will one of the blood diamonds he's looking for be in Hope County, he'll also be interested in punishing Joseph for his blasphemy.
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Not only will one of the blood diamonds he's looking for be in Hope County, he'll also be interested in punishing Joseph for his blasphemy.blasphemy.
[[WMG: The 'Fang-For-Hire' system will be commented upon by NPCs.]]
Besides being an Awesome moment in itself, it would lead to some crowning moments of funny such as civilians freaking out at the sight of you being followed around by a cougar or you being denied service at a bar on account of you hanging out with a grizzly bear. Heartwarming moments as well with people commenting on you being a FriendToAllLivingThings.
[[WMG: The 'Fang-For-Hire' system will be commented upon by NPCs.]]
Besides being an Awesome moment in itself, it would lead to some crowning moments of funny such as civilians freaking out at the sight of you being followed around by a cougar or you being denied service at a bar on account of you hanging out with a grizzly bear. Heartwarming moments as well with people commenting on you being a FriendToAllLivingThings.
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Towards the beginning, your character will get captured by the cult and brought before the Seed family while Father Seed is giving his sermon. You will have multiple opportunities to escape, such as grabbing a gun and shooting your way out or taking a hostage. However, if you stay through the entire fifteen minute sermon, Father Seed will "baptize" you but drowning you in a bucket, killing you in the process. Game Over.
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Towards the beginning, your character will get captured by the cult and brought before the Seed family while Father Seed is giving his sermon. You will have multiple opportunities to escape, such as grabbing a gun and shooting your way out or taking a hostage. However, if you stay through the entire fifteen minute sermon, Father Seed will "baptize" you but by drowning you in a bucket, killing you in the process.bucket. Game Over.
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Towards the beginning, your character will get captured by the cult and brought before the Seed family while Father Seed is giving his sermon. You will have multiple opportunities to escape, such as grabbing a gun and shooting your way out or taking a hostage. However, if you stay through the entire fifteen minute sermon, Father Seed will "baptize" you but drowning you in a bucket, killing you in the process. Game Over.
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Towards the beginning, your character will get captured by the cult and brought before the Seed family while Father Seed is giving his sermon. You will have multiple opportunities to escape, such as grabbing a gun and shooting your way out or taking a hostage. However, if you stay through the entire fifteen minute sermon, Father Seed will "baptize" you but drowning you in a bucket, killing you in the process. Game Over.Over.
[[WMG: Longinus will make an appearance.]]
Not only will one of the blood diamonds he's looking for be in Hope County, he'll also be interested in punishing Joseph for his blasphemy.
[[WMG: Longinus will make an appearance.]]
Not only will one of the blood diamonds he's looking for be in Hope County, he'll also be interested in punishing Joseph for his blasphemy.
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The justification for the cult having ridiculous amounts of firepower as well as being able to avoid being stamped out by the government is that a powerful politician is backing and protecting them, either using them for some nefarious goals or is actually a crazed Fundamentalist themselves. Odds are that they might be a pastiche of real-life politicians and become some bastard hybrid of Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump and Dan Quayle.
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The justification for the cult having ridiculous amounts of firepower as well as being able to avoid being stamped out by the government is that a powerful politician is backing and protecting them, either using them for some nefarious goals or is actually a crazed Fundamentalist themselves. Odds are that they might be a pastiche of real-life politicians and become some bastard hybrid of Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump and Dan Quayle.Quayle.
[[WMG: There will be a secret ending.]]
Towards the beginning, your character will get captured by the cult and brought before the Seed family while Father Seed is giving his sermon. You will have multiple opportunities to escape, such as grabbing a gun and shooting your way out or taking a hostage. However, if you stay through the entire fifteen minute sermon, Father Seed will "baptize" you but drowning you in a bucket, killing you in the process. Game Over.
[[WMG: There will be a secret ending.]]
Towards the beginning, your character will get captured by the cult and brought before the Seed family while Father Seed is giving his sermon. You will have multiple opportunities to escape, such as grabbing a gun and shooting your way out or taking a hostage. However, if you stay through the entire fifteen minute sermon, Father Seed will "baptize" you but drowning you in a bucket, killing you in the process. Game Over.
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The cover artwork for the game [[http://i.imgur.com/YvNU3W4.jpg]] is a parody of ''The Last Supper.'' If the analogy is followed through, the man sitting two spaces to the left of Joseph Seed will be the "Judas" character and betray Joseph during the game.
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The cover artwork for the game [[http://i.imgur.com/YvNU3W4.jpg]] is a parody of ''The Last Supper.'' If the analogy is followed through, the man sitting two spaces to the left of Joseph Seed will be the "Judas" character and betray Joseph during the game.game.
[[WMG: The cult is secretly backed by an influential politician]]
The justification for the cult having ridiculous amounts of firepower as well as being able to avoid being stamped out by the government is that a powerful politician is backing and protecting them, either using them for some nefarious goals or is actually a crazed Fundamentalist themselves. Odds are that they might be a pastiche of real-life politicians and become some bastard hybrid of Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump and Dan Quayle.
[[WMG: The cult is secretly backed by an influential politician]]
The justification for the cult having ridiculous amounts of firepower as well as being able to avoid being stamped out by the government is that a powerful politician is backing and protecting them, either using them for some nefarious goals or is actually a crazed Fundamentalist themselves. Odds are that they might be a pastiche of real-life politicians and become some bastard hybrid of Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump and Dan Quayle.
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[[WMG: One of Joseph Seed's Heralds will betray him.]]
The cover artwork for the game [[http://i.imgur.com/YvNU3W4.jpg]] is a parody of ''The Last Supper.'' If the analogy is followed through, the man sitting two spaces to the left of Joseph Seed will be the "Judas" character and betray Joseph during the game.
[[WMG: One of Joseph Seed's Heralds will betray him.]]
The cover artwork for the game [[http://i.imgur.com/YvNU3W4.jpg]] is a parody of ''The Last Supper.'' If the analogy is followed through, the man sitting two spaces to the left of Joseph Seed will be the "Judas" character and betray Joseph during the game.
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He's now become a Far Cry staple, even to the point of having a very distant ancestor in Primal.
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He's now become a Far Cry staple, even to the point of having a very distant ancestor in Primal.Primal.
[[WMG: The Climax of the game will be during a Waco-Style raid of the Fundamentalists base.]]
[[WMG: The Climax of the game will be during a Waco-Style raid of the Fundamentalists base.]]
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[[WMG: One way or another, Hurk will end up in Hope County]]
He's now become a Far Cry staple, even to the point of having a very distant ancestor in Primal.
He's now become a Far Cry staple, even to the point of having a very distant ancestor in Primal.
