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** Forget shared rights: Creator/{{Disney}} ''bought'' Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox on December 14, 2017 and the deal was finalized after months of negotiations on March 20, 2019. Marvel now has the full rights to the Fantastic Four and Franchise/XMen by default.

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** Forget shared rights: Creator/{{Disney}} ''bought'' Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox on December 14, 2017 and the deal was finalized after months of negotiations on March 20, 2019. Marvel now has the full rights to the Fantastic Four and Franchise/XMen ComicBook/XMen by default.
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* A 1960s-set iteration of the team where they become celebrities after the space accident, only to wind up lost in space after another expedition. After years of stasis, they're finally recovered by the United States ... only to discover they're in a different time period (the current day) and reality (the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse) altogether. Obviously, an MCU Fantastic Four movie would establish the multiverse, much like ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' expended into the cosmos and ''Film/{{Doctor Strange|2016}}'' is set to introduce magic. Plus, literally transplanting them from one universe to the other would be a sick meta move.

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* A 1960s-set iteration of the team where they become celebrities after the space accident, only to wind up lost in space after another expedition. After years of stasis, they're finally recovered by the United States ... only to discover they're in a different time period (the current day) and reality (the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse) altogether. Obviously, an MCU Fantastic Four movie would establish the multiverse, much like ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy2014'' expended into the cosmos and ''Film/{{Doctor Strange|2016}}'' is set to introduce magic. Plus, literally transplanting them from one universe to the other would be a sick meta move.
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* They could actually cast a black actress and [[DarkSkinnedBlond make Sue blonde anyway]].

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* They could actually cast a black actress and [[DarkSkinnedBlond make Sue blonde anyway]].
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[[WMG:This film's version of Reed Richards will become [[ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour The Maker]] in a future Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse entry.]]
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* In fact, Creator/JohnKrasinski as Reed Richards in ''DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' stands out because he's the only member of the Illuminati not played by an actor reprising the role from a previous appearance, which may be indicative of how little Marvel Studios thinks of the previous Fantastic Four films.

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* In fact, Creator/JohnKrasinski as Reed Richards in ''DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' stands out because he's the only member of the Illuminati not played by an actor reprising the role from a previous appearance, which may be indicative of how little Marvel Studios thinks of the previous Fantastic Four films.
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[[WMG: Creator/MarvelStudios will confirm that the universe of this film no longer exists in the multiverse of the MCU]]
* Given this film's poor reception, it's unlikely there will be much demand for anyone in this film to reprise their roles, unlike [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Tobey Maguire]] and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries Andrew Garfield]] in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome''. Thus, there may be a throwaway line indicating that this universe has already been [[Series/Loki2021 pruned by the TVA]] or suffered an incursion thanks to [[Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness Doctor Strange, one of his variants or the Scarlet Witch using the Darkhold]], or any other events in Phase Four.
* In fact, Creator/JohnKrasinski as Reed Richards in ''DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' stands out because he's the only member of the Illuminati not played by an actor reprising the role from a previous appearance, which may be indicative of how little Marvel Studios thinks of the previous Fantastic Four films.
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* Ben is still mopey about his appearance, and had been trying to keep up a [[StepfordSmiler cheery exterior]] so that the others wouldn't fuss over it. It doesn't help that his older abusive brother had resurfaced and he has to go back to Brooklyn to deal with it. In fact, confrontations with his brother will pretty much address his "It's Clobbering Time" outburst in the last movie, suggesting that as he grew older Ben was becoming [[NotSoDifferent more like his brother]], something he really doesn't want.

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* Ben is still mopey about his appearance, and had been trying to keep up a [[StepfordSmiler cheery exterior]] so that the others wouldn't fuss over it. It doesn't help that his older abusive brother had resurfaced and he has to go back to Brooklyn to deal with it. In fact, confrontations with his brother will pretty much address his "It's Clobbering Time" outburst in the last movie, suggesting that as he grew older Ben was becoming [[NotSoDifferent more like his brother]], brother, something he really doesn't want.
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* Nope. See the "Kang the Conqueror will be the antagonist of the sequel" guess below.

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* Nope. See the "Kang the Conqueror will be the antagonist All chances of the sequel" guess below.
a sequel have been scrapped.
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*** Ben Grimm will be black. Since he's stuck in rock form, his race will be irrelevant anyway. Just hope it doesn't lead to UnfortunateImplication.

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*** Ben Grimm will be black. Since he's stuck in rock form, his race will be irrelevant anyway. Just hope it doesn't lead to UnfortunateImplication.UnfortunateImplications.
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** Forget shared rights: Creator/{{Disney}} ''bought'' Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox on December 14, 2017. Marvel now has the full rights to the Fantastic Four and Franchise/XMen by default.

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** Forget shared rights: Creator/{{Disney}} ''bought'' Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox on December 14, 2017.2017 and the deal was finalized after months of negotiations on March 20, 2019. Marvel now has the full rights to the Fantastic Four and Franchise/XMen by default.

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** Actually not jossed - this WMG was stating that there would be ''no'' crossover with the X-Men, which is what Kinberg stated. Lifting the jossed status and moving it into confirmed. More as to why they can't do this

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** Actually not jossed - this WMG was stating that there would be ''no'' crossover with the X-Men, which is what Kinberg stated. Lifting the jossed status and moving it into confirmed. More as to why they can't do this
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** Marvel did get the film rights back...by Disney buying Fox. So semi-confirmed?



* Another fantastic foe will be the main villain and Doom will have a cameo and[=/=]or be briefly mentioned since he's too well known to be completely excluded.

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* Another fantastic Fantastic foe will be the main villain and Doom will have a cameo and[=/=]or be briefly mentioned since he's too well known to be completely excluded.



** Although this idea would be hilarious, considering that ''Film/Deadpool2'' tried to include a similar joke but never got said joke past the scripting stage, I doubt they'd do something like that.




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** Likely jossed, since Teller wasn't involved in ''Solo'', and the Boba Fett movie was cancelled. Unless Disney actually offered Jordan the role of [[Film/BlackPanther2018 Kilmonger]]...

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*** Ben Grimm will be black. Since he's stuck in rock form, his race will be irrelevant anyway. Just hope it doesn't lead to UnfortunateImplication.



* In an attempt to apologize for the terrible movie, the sequel will double as a reboot by turning the "Fant4stic" evil (either because they get drunk with power, as demonstrated by how they essentially intimidated the government into giving them a state of the art laboratory, or by retconning Planet Zero as a dimension where Galactus transforms people into his heralds, as evidenced by "Crash Test" Doom). They eventually hop into the dimension of an alternate Fantastic Four, who end up defeating the Fant4stic to symbolically wash Fox of the last movie.
* A 1960s-set iteration of the team where they become celebrities after the space accident, only to wind up lost in space after another expedition. After years of stasis, they're finally recovered by the United States ... only to discover they're in a different time period (the current day) and reality (the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse) altogether. Obviously, an MCU Fantastic Four movie would establish the multiverse, much like ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' expended into the cosmos and ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' is set to introduce magic. Plus, literally transplanting them from one universe to the other would be a sick meta move.

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* In an attempt to apologize for the terrible movie, the sequel will double as a reboot by turning the "Fant4stic" "[=Fant4stic=]" evil (either because they get drunk with power, as demonstrated by how they essentially intimidated the government into giving them a state of the art laboratory, or by retconning Planet Zero as a dimension where Galactus transforms people into his heralds, as evidenced by "Crash Test" Doom). They eventually hop into the dimension of an alternate Fantastic Four, who end up defeating the Fant4stic [=Fant4stic=] to symbolically wash Fox of the last movie.
* A 1960s-set iteration of the team where they become celebrities after the space accident, only to wind up lost in space after another expedition. After years of stasis, they're finally recovered by the United States ... only to discover they're in a different time period (the current day) and reality (the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse) altogether. Obviously, an MCU Fantastic Four movie would establish the multiverse, much like ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' expended into the cosmos and ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' ''Film/{{Doctor Strange|2016}}'' is set to introduce magic. Plus, literally transplanting them from one universe to the other would be a sick meta move.
* [[RobotBuddy H.E.R.B.I.E.]] will appear.



* Think about it, true believers! Every time Stan Lee cameos in a Marvel movie involving characters he created, it manages to be some kind of success, at least financially if not critically (even films like ''Daredevil'' and ''AS2'' were more financially disappointing than outright flops). Stan Lee is in fact a Marvel good luck charm, whose presence among his creations provides them with good luck. The lack of a Stan Lee blessing meant FF was doomed from the start.

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* Think about it, true believers! Every time Stan Lee cameos in a Marvel movie involving characters he created, it manages to be some kind of success, at least financially if not critically (even films like ''Daredevil'' and ''AS2'' ''[=AS2=]'' were more financially disappointing than outright flops). Stan Lee is in fact a Marvel good luck charm, whose presence among his creations provides them with good luck. The lack of a Stan Lee blessing meant FF was doomed from the start.


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* Nope. See the "Kang the Conqueror will be the antagonist of the sequel" guess below.




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* Moot point, since Disney now owns Fox.




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** Moot point, since Disney now owns Fox. If that was the case, it was AllForNothing.
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* A 1960s-set iteration of the team where they become celebrities after the space accident, only to wind up lost in space after another expedition. After years of stasis, they're finally recovered by the United States ... only to discover they're in a different time period (the current day) and reality (the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse) altogether. Obviously, an MCU Fantastic Four movie would establish the multiverse, much like ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' expended into the cosmos and ''Film/DoctorStrange'' is set to introduce magic. Plus, literally transplanting them from one universe to the other would be a sick meta move.

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* A 1960s-set iteration of the team where they become celebrities after the space accident, only to wind up lost in space after another expedition. After years of stasis, they're finally recovered by the United States ... only to discover they're in a different time period (the current day) and reality (the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse) altogether. Obviously, an MCU Fantastic Four movie would establish the multiverse, much like ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' expended into the cosmos and ''Film/DoctorStrange'' ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' is set to introduce magic. Plus, literally transplanting them from one universe to the other would be a sick meta move.
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* Also, [[Film/MarvelOneShots the real Doctor Doom and Mole Man are waiting in the background, and they will]] ''[[Film/MarvelOneShots not]]'' [[Film/MarvelOneShots be happy with this.]]

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* Also, [[Film/MarvelOneShots [[Film/AllHailTheKing the real Doctor Doom and Mole Man are waiting in the background, and they will]] ''[[Film/MarvelOneShots ''[[Film/AllHailTheKing not]]'' [[Film/MarvelOneShots [[Film/AllHailTheKing be happy with this.]]
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We already know that ''Spider-Man'', the ''Film/XMen'' films, and this upcoming movie will continue to not be part of Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, and that Fox and Sony are too stingy with the character rights to even consider a three-way company crossover that would result in what could possibly be the most fangasmic moneymaker in superhero movie history. But who's to say that Fox and Sony couldn't team up in an attempt to wrestle some of the market share from Marvel's nigh-untouchable dominance in the genre?

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We already know that ''Spider-Man'', the ''Film/XMen'' ''[[Film/XMenFilmSeries X-Men]]'' films, and this upcoming movie will continue to not be part of Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, and that Fox and Sony are too stingy with the character rights to even consider a three-way company crossover that would result in what could possibly be the most fangasmic moneymaker in superhero movie history. But who's to say that Fox and Sony couldn't team up in an attempt to wrestle some of the market share from Marvel's nigh-untouchable dominance in the genre?



* The Four discover that the energy from Planet Zero had leaked not only into their world, but their history as well, creating a new monstrous race known as the Subterranea ([[Film/XMen and maybe a mutation in a small percentage of the human population]]). Even more bizarre is that they find out that the leader of the Subterranea is Harvey Allen's disgruntled [[BackupTwin twin brother]] Rupert Allen, now calling himself the Mole Man.

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* The Four discover that the energy from Planet Zero had leaked not only into their world, but their history as well, creating a new monstrous race known as the Subterranea ([[Film/XMen ([[Film/XMenFilmSeries and maybe a mutation in a small percentage of the human population]]). Even more bizarre is that they find out that the leader of the Subterranea is Harvey Allen's disgruntled [[BackupTwin twin brother]] Rupert Allen, now calling himself the Mole Man.



Right before the movie was announced, it was revealed that [[http://tvline.com/2015/08/06/x-men-series-fox-2016-marvel/ they're negotiating with Marvel to make a television show]] based on the ''Film/XMen'' movies. The only way they could get Marvel's favor (as the two companies have had a bad working relationship for quite a while) is if they had something that they could offer in return. Given that the possibility of an ''X-Men'' crossover is very unlikely at this point, with the atrocious critical reception that the movie has, Fox will probably spend more resources developing major ''X-Men'' spinoffs rather than risk rebooting a property that has failed to meet their financial expectations time and time again. While Marvel would obviously have to wait a while to re-reboot the team, numerous cosmic characters and species tied to the team could be introduced into the setting without issue - and with ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' in development, expanding on the cosmic side would be an excellent idea for them.

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Right before the movie was announced, it was revealed that [[http://tvline.com/2015/08/06/x-men-series-fox-2016-marvel/ they're negotiating with Marvel to make a television show]] based on the ''Film/XMen'' ''[[Film/XMenFilmSeries X-Men]]'' movies. The only way they could get Marvel's favor (as the two companies have had a bad working relationship for quite a while) is if they had something that they could offer in return. Given that the possibility of an ''X-Men'' crossover is very unlikely at this point, with the atrocious critical reception that the movie has, Fox will probably spend more resources developing major ''X-Men'' spinoffs rather than risk rebooting a property that has failed to meet their financial expectations time and time again. While Marvel would obviously have to wait a while to re-reboot the team, numerous cosmic characters and species tied to the team could be introduced into the setting without issue - and with ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' in development, expanding on the cosmic side would be an excellent idea for them.
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** Forget shared rights: Creator/{{Disney}} ''bought'' Creator/20thCenturyFox on December 14, 2017. Marvel now has the full rights to the Fantastic Four and Franchise/XMen by default.

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** Forget shared rights: Creator/{{Disney}} ''bought'' Creator/20thCenturyFox Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox on December 14, 2017. Marvel now has the full rights to the Fantastic Four and Franchise/XMen by default.
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[[WMG:Doctor Doom and Mole Man are not actually villains.]]

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[[WMG:There will be a future crossover with ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan''.]]

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[[WMG:The movie actually is a FoundFootage film, or is at least shot like one]]

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[[WMG:The Fantastic Four will '''not''' cross over with the X-Men, even though both are owned by Fox]]
If the movie is released to negative reception, it is not likely that Fox would use the same cast (provided they still want to keep the rights if the reboot flops, instead of selling the franchise over to Disney). Furthermore, if the reboot doesn't do well financially (and the odds are poised against it), a crossover would do little to increase ticket sales.
* If anything, this iteration of the team isn't going to cross over due to horrid reception.
* Jossed, [[http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/fantastic-x-men-not-film-universe-article-1.2314517 Kinberg has confirmed there will not be a crossover.]]

[[WMG:Reed left negative comments on Victor's blog.]]

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[[WMG:The Fantastic Four will '''not''' cross over with the X-Men, even though both are owned by Fox]]
If the movie is released to negative reception, it is not likely that Fox would use the same cast (provided they still want to keep the rights if the reboot flops, instead of selling the franchise over to Disney). Furthermore, if the reboot doesn't do well financially (and the odds are poised against it), a crossover would do little to increase ticket sales.
* If anything, this iteration of the team isn't going to cross over due to horrid reception.
* Jossed, [[http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/fantastic-x-men-not-film-universe-article-1.2314517 Kinberg has confirmed there will not be a crossover.]]

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left negative comments on Victor's blog.]]



[[WMG:The movie will be better than most people are expecting from all the rumors and hysteria]]

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[[WMG: The Fantastic Four will '''not''' cross over with the X-Men, even though both are owned by Fox]]
If the movie is released to negative reception, it is not likely that Fox would use the same cast (provided they still want to keep the rights if the reboot flops, instead of selling the franchise over to Disney). Furthermore, if the reboot doesn't do well financially (and the odds are poised against it), a crossover would do little to increase ticket sales.
* If anything, this iteration of the team isn't going to cross over due to horrid reception.
* Jossed, [[http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/fantastic-x-men-not-film-universe-article-1.2314517 Kinberg has confirmed there will not be a crossover.]]
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*** The "It'll be too toxic to touch" theory holds more weight than them simply being stubborn, [[http://comicbook.com/2015/11/24/fantastic-four-sequel-removed-from-foxs-release-schedule/ considering this announcement]].



** Alternatively, he'll cameo, but only as a really minor part - maybe this Doom will instead attempt to recreate the experiment that resulted in the group gaining their powers which would turn him into Doom, but his cameos will instead show him watching news reports about the heroics of the gang.




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* [[http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/fantastic-four/41260/fantastic-four-the-great-cut-that-you-ll-never-see Such a cut exists]], but the odds of it seeing the light of day are very slim.
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* Doesn't matter - their rights are tied up with the FF, so they keep them regardless of whether they were in the film or not.



[[WMG:Fox is considering a shared-rights deal with Marvel, but is waiting to see how well ''Captain America: Civil War'' turns out]]
* Expect a Fantastic Four shared rights deal within literal days if Civil War is successful.

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[[WMG:Fox is considering a shared-rights deal with Marvel, but is waiting to see how well ''Captain America: Civil War'' ''Spider-Man: Homecoming'' turns out]]
* Expect a Fantastic Four shared rights deal within literal days if Civil War ''Homecoming'' is successful.
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Another way to view Victor (and Planet Zero) in this film. ...I could just be overthinking things, though.

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[[WMG: Planet Zero was a living entity the whole time.]]
* Also, it started influencing Victor when he was doused in a large amount of the planet's goo and left behind. Most of Victor's dialogue after he's found could be construed to be what Planet Zero also thinks of Earth (or Planet Zero learned of Earth from Victor and based it's opinion off him alone).
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[[WMG: [[AuthorsSavingThrow Author's Saving Throws]] for the sequel]]
The sequel is very unlikely to happen, but let's get cracking to repairing the damages caused by this first movie anyways:
* Now that the events of Planet Zero are behind them, the newly formed Fantastic Four start an independent research organization called the Future Foundation. It's not off to a great start, but it still has potential.
* The Four receive their uniforms, which have become bright blue versions of their former containment suits with big "4" emblems on them. Johnny proudly claims they are his idea.
* Ben is still mopey about his appearance, and had been trying to keep up a [[StepfordSmiler cheery exterior]] so that the others wouldn't fuss over it. It doesn't help that his older abusive brother had resurfaced and he has to go back to Brooklyn to deal with it. In fact, confrontations with his brother will pretty much address his "It's Clobbering Time" outburst in the last movie, suggesting that as he grew older Ben was becoming [[NotSoDifferent more like his brother]], something he really doesn't want.
* The Four discover that the energy from Planet Zero had leaked not only into their world, but their history as well, creating a new monstrous race known as the Subterranea ([[Film/XMen and maybe a mutation in a small percentage of the human population]]). Even more bizarre is that they find out that the leader of the Subterranea is Harvey Allen's disgruntled [[BackupTwin twin brother]] Rupert Allen, now calling himself the Mole Man.
* In the middle of all of this, the Four end up in Latveria, where they find a very alive but still heavily mutated and transformed Victor Von Doom ruling the country, slowly turning it into a small first world nation. Victor is more collected and controlled than we last saw him because the Doom that the Four fought was not him, [[{{Retcon}} but one of many duplicates of him created by Planet Zero to inhabit itself]]. The military excursion simply ran into one of them and made the mistake of taking it away from its home turf. The amused Victor calls them "[[MythologyGag Doombots]]." Despite his satisfaction with ruling a country, Victor is still bitter and jealous of Reed and their infamous feud is born.
* And finally, the movie will gear more towards the free-spirited, over-the-top science adventures of the comics rather than the dark and depressing feel it was trying to go for at first.

But of course, the sequel's pretty much cancelled, so what's the point, eh?
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[[WMG:Fox will release a DirectorsCut of the movie]]
They did the same thing with their ''Daredevil'' movie, and in that case, the Director's Cut was considered far superior to the theatrical cut, to the point that it managed to salvage the movie for some fans. Since this movie was a gigantic money bomb in its theatrical release, it wouldn't be unreasonable for Fox to similarly try and salvage this one (and possibly the ''Fantastic Four'' brand itself) with a Director's Cut.

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