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* Confirmed, we will be getting a fourth film in 2024 called Descendants: The Rise of Red, which will feature Red, daughter of the Queen of Hearts, as the main character. Other characters will include Chad’s sister Chloe, Uma’s aunt Ulyana, and [[Film/{{TheSorcerersApprentice2010}} Morgana Le Fay]]’s son Morgie.
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*" The books explicitly stated the villains were brought back to life because death was too easy a punishment. That would suggest the good guys were responsible for bringing them back.
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** A ''good''' character who punishes a Prince's selfishness by not only turning him into a Beast but his servants and their kids and pets into objects? That explains a lot about Auradon's way to deal with villains.
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** A ''good''' ''good'' character who punishes a Prince's selfishness by not only turning him into a Beast but his servants and their kids and pets into objects? That explains a lot about Auradon's way to deal with villains.
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[[WMG: Most people on the Isle are followers, minions or lackeys of villains and their descendants.]]
There's no way a whole island could be populated by just the full-on villains and their heirs; most of the Isle's residents are just the followers of the real villains who either got banished along with them or refused to give up their allegiance to them.
There's no way a whole island could be populated by just the full-on villains and their heirs; most of the Isle's residents are just the followers of the real villains who either got banished along with them or refused to give up their allegiance to them.
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[[WMG: Carlos had a bad falling out with Mal and the others between Descendants 3 and The Royal Wedding]]
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[[WMG: Carlos had a bad falling out with Mal and the others between Descendants 3 ''Descendants 3'' and The ''The Royal Wedding]]Wedding''.]]
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* Unfortunately, Dude's presence in ''The Royal Wedding'' seems to joss this. If Carlos merely went elsewhere or quit talking to the other VKs, surely his faithful dog would've left with him.
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On August 13th, the official Descendants Youtube channel uploaded [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTA1gQQtH4 this mysterious video]], which, along with Sofia Carson's solo version of "Rotten to the Core" (which has a few lyrics about betrayal), could mean Everything ie may not have completely turned good.
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On August 13th, the official Descendants Youtube channel uploaded [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTA1gQQtH4 this mysterious video]], which, along with Sofia Carson's solo version of "Rotten to the Core" (which has a few lyrics about betrayal), could mean Everything ie Evie may not have completely turned good.
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** With the casts of various Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox franchises now open for possible inclusion, ''[[SeriesEscalation no doubt]]''!
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** With the casts of various Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox franchises now open for possible inclusion, ''[[SeriesEscalation ''[[SerialEscalation no doubt]]''!
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Its never explicitly said that he passed away. It may come off as insensitive due to Cameron's passing, but at least this way he could live on in some form.
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If that's the case, wouldn't Vor also be in there as well? And if you want to bring in WesternAnimation/ElenaOfAvalor, wouldn't Shuriki, Ash Delgado, Fiero or even the Four Shades of Awesome (as well the other low villains that Avalor had) be in the isle of the lost as well?
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*** [[spoiler: Maybe not for the book as Maleficent was basically running the island, it would be a good idea to [[SchmuckBait not mention her ex in front of her]].]]
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[[WMG: Carlos had a bad falling out with Mal and the others between Descendants 3 and The Royal Wedding]]
Its never explicitly said that he passed away. It may come off as insensitive due to Cameron's passing, but at least this way he could live on in some form.
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*If any Villains is in the Isle of the Lost, it means that Sykes from Oliver & Company is there too, which means there are also his doberman. And let's not forget that The Hunter who killed Bambi's Mom (and the other hunters) must have been imprisoned there, which include their ferocious dogs. Officially, with so many villainous dogs, Cruella didn't have to show a lot to make Carlos fear them.
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[[WMG: Everyone randomly bursting into song and choreography is totally normal in this school.]]
But less so on the Isle (there were a lot of people not playing along during Rotten to the Core). Mal is confused because she's not used to literally everyone joining in and/or pop love songs.
But less so on the Isle (there were a lot of people not playing along during Rotten to the Core). Mal is confused because she's not used to literally everyone joining in and/or pop love songs.
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[[WMG: Everyone randomly bursting into song and choreography is totally normal in this school.]]
But less so on the Isle (there were a lot of people not playing along during Rotten to the Core). Mal is confused because she's not used toliterally everyone joining in and/or pop love songs.
But less so on the Isle (there were a lot of people not playing along during Rotten to the Core). Mal is confused because she's not used to
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Not in the washed-it-off way, at least. When Mal threw the wishing stone Ben gave her in the water, she was upset at him. In her head, she said "I wish I'd never given him that stupid love potion," as she threw the stone in. That was what undid it.
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Not in the a washed-it-off way, at least. When Mal threw the wishing stone Ben gave her in the water, she was upset at him. In her head, she said "I wish I'd never given him that stupid love potion," as she threw the stone in. That was what undid it.
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The four bonus songs in the soundtrack (which include solos by each of the two and a China/Dove Cameron/Sofia Carson group song) have been confirmed to be featured in the webseries. So it's safe to say we'll be getting some new characters.
* [=McClain=] is confirmed (she voices Freddie Facilier), but Barton's been jossed.
[[WMG:Evie may be still evil.]]
* [=McClain=] is confirmed (she voices Freddie Facilier), but Barton's been jossed.
[[WMG:Evie may be still evil.]]
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The four bonus songs in the soundtrack (which include solos by each of the two and a China/Dove Cameron/Sofia Carson group song) have been confirmed to be featured in the webseries.web series. So it's safe to say we'll be getting some new characters.
* [=McClain=] is confirmed (she voices Freddie Facilier), but Barton's beenjossed.
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[[WMG: Evie may be still evil.]]
* [=McClain=] is confirmed (she voices Freddie Facilier), but Barton's been
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[[WMG: Evie may be still evil.]]
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* Seems to be jossed. It turns out all of that fuss about Evie's disappearance was nothing but a marketing strategy to promote the ''Wicked World'' shorts, with Sofia's version of "Rotten to the Core" as the theme song.
[[WMG: Maleficent actually does love Mal.]]
* The "chocolate chip cookies" scene suggests that the villains are an aversion of EvenEvilHasLovedOnes, but this may not be the case with Maleficent and Mal. At the end, Mal asks the Fairy Godmother if her mom will ever return her normal size and the Fairy Godmother answers that the spell keeps her as small as the love in her heart and that one day she might learn to love the way Mal did. However, if Maleficent had no love in her heart at all, than she should have disappeared completely. She does have a little bit of love for Mal, but much like [[Series/OnceUponATime Cora]], she's come to believe that the best way to show that love is to encourage her daughter in being evil and seeking power.
** It's pretty much implied they each love their children in their own twisted way. The Evil Queen, for example, taught Evie all she knew about make up, accessorizing and even designing and sewing, which go with her "beauty" standards, not to mention she also gave her the Magic Mirror.
[[WMG: Maleficent actually does love Mal.]]
* The "chocolate chip cookies" scene suggests that the villains are an aversion of EvenEvilHasLovedOnes, but this may not be the case with Maleficent and Mal. At the end, Mal asks the Fairy Godmother if her mom will ever return her normal size and the Fairy Godmother answers that the spell keeps her as small as the love in her heart and that one day she might learn to love the way Mal did. However, if Maleficent had no love in her heart at all, than she should have disappeared completely. She does have a little bit of love for Mal, but much like [[Series/OnceUponATime Cora]], she's come to believe that the best way to show that love is to encourage her daughter in being evil and seeking power.
** It's pretty much implied they each love their children in their own twisted way. The Evil Queen, for example, taught Evie all she knew about make up, accessorizing and even designing and sewing, which go with her "beauty" standards, not to mention she also gave her the Magic Mirror.
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* Seems to be jossed.Jossed. It turns out all of that fuss about Evie's disappearance was nothing but a marketing strategy to promote the ''Wicked World'' shorts, with Sofia's version of "Rotten to the Core" as the theme song.
[[WMG: Maleficentactually does love Mal.]]
* The "chocolate chip cookies" scene suggests that the villains are an aversionof to EvenEvilHasLovedOnes, but this may not be the case with Maleficent and Mal. At In the end, Mal asks the Fairy Godmother if her mom will ever return her normal size and the Fairy Godmother answers that the spell keeps her as small as the love in her heart and that one day she might learn to love the way Mal did. However, if Maleficent had no love in her heart at all, than then she should have disappeared completely. She does have a little bit of love for Mal, but much like [[Series/OnceUponATime Cora]], she's come to believe that the best way to show that love is to encourage her daughter in being evil and seeking power.
** It's pretty much implied they each love their children in theirown twisted way. The Evil Queen, for example, taught Evie all she knew about make up, accessorizing make-up, accessorizing, and even designing and sewing, which go with her "beauty" standards, not to mention she also gave her the Magic Mirror.
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** Jay is clearly one of the healthiest, hardiest teenagers seen on the Isle, and his interactions with his father seem more like snarky banter than intimidation or domineering. Jafar may not have shown ''affection'' for his son, but he doesn't seem to have neglected Jay or unduly brainwashed him either, just encouraged his kleptomania.
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** Jay is clearly one of the healthiest, hardiest teenagers seen on the Isle, and his interactions with his father seem more like snarky banter than intimidation or domineering. Jafar may not have shown ''affection'' for his son, but he doesn't seem to have neglected Jay or unduly brainwashed him either, just encouraged his kleptomania.
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* You break it you buy / KlingonPromotion. And she did double-cross her own mother, for personal gain, even if she hasn't managed to realize that.
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* You break it you buy / KlingonPromotion. And she did double-cross her own mother, for personal gain, even if she hasn't managed to realize that.
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[[WMG:Mal's father is no-one. She doesn't have one.]]
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[[WMG:Mal's father is King Stefan.]]
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* Note females of certain species are able to store sperm for months, years or perhaps even decades without using it. Maybe fairies can as well.
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* Note females of certain species are able to can store sperm for months, years years, or perhaps even decades without using it. Maybe fairies can as well.
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[[WMG:Mal's father is Maleficent's Raven.]]
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* She's so obsessed with revenge she no longer cares about who's the FairestOfThemAll for as long as Snow White isn't the one holding the title. If the title holder is someone who learned beauty tips from her it'll be a bonus.
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* She's so obsessed with revenge she no longer cares about who's the FairestOfThemAll for as long as Snow White isn't the one holding the title. If the title holder titleholder is someone who learned beauty tips from her it'll be a bonus.
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* So far, the Felicia Barton part's (sadly) been jossed. Whether she'll appear in ''Wicked World'', only time will tell.
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[[WMG: The Evil Queen forgot her own name.]]
The other villains gave their respective children names that have the same initials as theirs (Cruella's son Carlos; Jafar's son Jay; Maleficent's daughter Mal; Anastasia's son Anthony) but she named hers "Evie" instead of giving her a name that starts with "G" like "Grimhilde" does.
The other villains gave their respective children names that have the same initials as theirs (Cruella's son Carlos; Jafar's son Jay; Maleficent's daughter Mal; Anastasia's son Anthony) but she named hers "Evie" instead of giving her a name that starts with "G" like "Grimhilde" does.
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[[WMG: The Evil Queen forgot her own name.]]
The other villains gave their respective children names that have the same initials as theirs (Cruella's son Carlos; Jafar's son Jay; Maleficent's daughter Mal; Anastasia's son Anthony) but she named hers "Evie" instead of giving her a name that starts with "G"like as "Grimhilde" does.
The other villains gave their respective children names that have the same initials as theirs (Cruella's son Carlos; Jafar's son Jay; Maleficent's daughter Mal; Anastasia's son Anthony) but she named hers "Evie" instead of giving her a name that starts with "G"
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* Well, even Disney doesn't seem to acknowledge Grimhilde as being her name anymore; she hasn't been referred to as such in years, only as the Evil Queen or Snow White's Stepmother.
[[WMG: There really is a genie inside the lamp that Jay gave his Dad.]]
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* Well, even Disney doesn't seem to acknowledge Grimhilde as being her name anymore; she hasn't been referred to as such in years, only as of the Evil Queen or Snow White's Stepmother.
[[WMG: Therereally is a genie inside the lamp that Jay gave his Dad.]]
[[WMG: There
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That's why it could talk to Mal and encourage her to become evil. Maleficent wasn't really dead. She just didn't have a body and the heroes gave her one to make it easier to imprison her.
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They're under the impression Cruella wanted to make a coat of 101 dalmatian puppies[[note]]as stated in the prequel book[[/note]] but there were actually 99 puppies. The title only makes sense when the parents of the only puppies who already had a home before all that mess adopt the others.
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They're under the impression Cruella wanted to make a coat of 101 dalmatian puppies[[note]]as stated in the prequel book[[/note]] but there were actually 99 puppies. The title only makes sense when the parents of the only puppies who already had a home before all that mess adopt the others.
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[[WMG: Out of the four main villain parents, Maleficent was the only one to be really brought BackFromTheDead.]]
* The Evil Queen is never seen dying and it's shown in the comic book continuity that she survived the fall but was stuck in Evil Witch form.
* The Evil Queen is never seen dying and it's shown in the comic book continuity that she survived the fall but was stuck in Evil Witch form.
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[[WMG: Out of the four main villain parents, Maleficent was the only one to be really brought BackFromTheDead.]]
* The Evil Queenis has never seen dying death and it's shown in the comic book continuity that she survived the fall but was stuck in Evil Witch form.
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The heroes were doubtful they would be able to resurrect a very evil and powerful genie, so they decided against that. Seeing the power vacuum this would create, when Abis Mal(From the Return of Jafar and the TV series) decided to steal that identity for himself. No proof for this, but the way Jafar behaves is *nothing* like the Jafar from the movies, not to mention Jay was basically raised to be a street rat, much like he sees his arch-enemy.
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The heroes were doubtful they would be able to resurrect a very evil and powerful genie, so they decided against that. Seeing the power vacuum this would create, create when Abis Mal(From the Return of Jafar and the TV series) decided to steal that identity for himself. No proof for this, but the way Jafar behaves is *nothing* like the Jafar from the movies, not to mention Jay was basically raised to be a street rat, much like he sees his arch-enemy.
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* When the United States of America became part of the United States of Auradon as evidenced by Dr. Facilier being at the Isle of the Lost (he's mentioned in the book prequel), Doof was exiled as well and Maleficent became interested on him when he proclaimed he'd break them out with a barrier-destroyer-inator. The relationship lasted long enough to make Mal exist but it fell apart like the -inator when the plan failed.
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* When the United States of America became part of the United States of Auradon as evidenced by Dr. Facilier being at the Isle of the Lost (he's mentioned in the book prequel), Doof was exiled as well and Maleficent became interested on in him when he proclaimed he'd break them out with a barrier-destroyer-inator. The relationship lasted long enough to make Mal exist but it fell apart like the -inator when the plan failed.
** Jossed. It's revealed in Descendants 3 that ''Hades'' is Mal's father.
** Jossed. It's revealed in Descendants 3 that ''Hades'' is Mal's father.
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Because there are too many discrepancies between both work to think they are a single continuity.
* Iago and Diablo are both prominent characters in the novel [[spoiler: Diablo's appearance is even a huge plot point]]. They don't appear or are even mentioned in the movie, when is explicit that Maleficent loves Diablo more than Mal. The pets of the kids aren't mentioned or alluded to either(Although to be fair, they only are mentioned briefly in the book)
** Diablo might have died of natural causes and [[spoiler:Maleficent might have killed the other pets to punish the kids]] between the book and the movie.
* Iago and Diablo are both prominent characters in the novel [[spoiler: Diablo's appearance is even a huge plot point]]. They don't appear or are even mentioned in the movie, when is explicit that Maleficent loves Diablo more than Mal. The pets of the kids aren't mentioned or alluded to either(Although to be fair, they only are mentioned briefly in the book)
** Diablo might have died of natural causes and [[spoiler:Maleficent might have killed the other pets to punish the kids]] between the book and the movie.
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Because there are too many discrepancies between both work works to think they are a single continuity.
* Iago and Diablo are both prominent characters in the novel [[spoiler: Diablo's appearance is even a huge plot point]]. They don't appear or are even mentioned in themovie, movie when is explicit that Maleficent loves Diablo more than Mal. The pets of the kids aren't mentioned or alluded to either(Although to be fair, they only are mentioned briefly in the book)
** Diablo might have died of natural causes and[[spoiler:Maleficent [[spoiler: Maleficent might have killed the other pets to punish the kids]] between the book and the movie.
* Iago and Diablo are both prominent characters in the novel [[spoiler: Diablo's appearance is even a huge plot point]]. They don't appear or are even mentioned in the
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*** The dream was mentioned several times, and they vividly remembered it and how the other looked like. Agreeing to not mention it is possible, but they don't even ''react'' when they saw each other for the first time, and while Mal was not someone to share her feelings, their date at the lake, or [[spoiler: When Ben says he knew he was put under a spell]] would have been the perfect time for him to mention it.
* The relationships between the four kids is very different in both works, and their personalities are also somewhat different.
* The relationships between the four kids is very different in both works, and their personalities are also somewhat different.
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*** The dream was mentioned several times, and they vividly remembered it and how what the other looked like. Agreeing to not mention it is possible, but they don't even ''react'' when they saw each other for the first time, and while Mal was not someone to share her feelings, their date at the lake, or [[spoiler: When Ben says he knew he was put under a spell]] would have been the perfect time for him to mention it.
* The relationships between the four kidsis are very different in both works, and their personalities are also somewhat different.
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* Freddie and Jordan in the "Wicked World" shorts also support this: Both Facilier and Genie appear in the book, with Facilier being the school's principal, while in WW he runs a shop like the other villains and Genie's appearance being of him wanting to travel the world. Neither mention having daughters, when pretty much every character that has a child (or a parent) is mentioned (often, several times). Granted, is not solid evidence, but still supports this.
** Did the episode actually say it was ''his'' shop? I got the vibe that Freddie was just shopping there.
** Did the episode actually say it was ''his'' shop? I got the vibe that Freddie was just shopping there.
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* Freddie and Jordan in the "Wicked World" shorts also support this: Both Facilier and Genie appear in the book, with Facilier being the school's principal, while in WW he runs a shop like the other villains and Genie's appearance being of him wanting to travel the world. Neither mention having daughters, when pretty much every character that has a child (or a parent) is mentioned (often, several times). Granted, is not no solid evidence, but still supports this.
** Did the episodeactually say it was ''his'' shop? I got the vibe that Freddie was just shopping there.
** Did the episode
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* With the cast announcements of Descendants 2, it seems the books, the movies and the webisodes all are different continuities, unless some characters do have more children who are just never mentioned by their siblings: Hook has Harriet (Daughter, book), CJ (daughter, webisodes) and Harry (movie) and Gaston has Gaston Junior and Gaston the third (Twins, book) and Gil (movie)
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* With the cast announcements of Descendants 2, it seems the books, the movies movies, and the webisodes all are different continuities, continuities unless some characters do have more children who are just never mentioned by their siblings: Hook has Harriet (Daughter, book), CJ (daughter, webisodes) and Harry (movie) and Gaston has Gaston Junior and Gaston the third (Twins, book) and Gil (movie)
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*** The implication of the books is that Mal and Mad Maddie were best frenemies when younger, while the movies have Uma in that position, they are all around the same age, and the Island is a tiny place where everyone knows about everyone. And now with Dizzy's reveal in Descendants 2, there is the fact she has several sisters that go unmentioned (They are referred, several times, as the "ugly step cousins"
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*** The implication of the books is imply that Mal and Mad Maddie were best frenemies when younger, while the movies have Uma in that position, they are all around the same age, and the Island is a tiny place where everyone knows about everyone. And now with Dizzy's reveal in Descendants 2, there is the fact she has several sisters that go unmentioned (They are referred, referred to, several times, as like the "ugly step cousins"step-cousins"
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*** Freddie wasn't technically brought there; she came on her own and they just let her stay. Also, where in the movie do they state they never went back afterwards? Evie says they aren't popular there, but that doesn't mean they never went back, especially since their visits in WW were low-key. Also, the building Mal went in is the group's hideout, the castle that Mal and her mother used to live in got ransacked after Maleficent's defeat with Mal's bedroom being left untouched since some of the Isle residents now fear her.
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*** Freddie wasn't technically brought there; she came on her own and they just let her stay. Also, where in wherein the movie do they state they never went back afterwards? afterward? Evie says they aren't popular there, but that doesn't mean they never went back, especially since their visits in WW were low-key. Also, the building Mal went in into is the group's hideout, the castle that Mal and her mother used to live in got ransacked after Maleficent's defeat with Mal's bedroom being left untouched since some of the Isle residents now fear her.
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This is partially due to his status as a [[spoiler: KarmaHoudini]], and the fact he almost never appears in works where Disney Villains are together.
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When the villain kids were allowed to attend Auradon Prep, Maleficent ordered them to bring her the Fairy Godmother's wand. Had they done so, she would find out even that wand's magic doesn't work inside the Isle.
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In this universe, I mean. It's kind of odd that Beast and the others have such a strong reaction to her name, when a) their movie lack a traditional "villain", and what she did is not worse than what the Evil Queen did (Both basically had a grudge against a single kid), and even then, what Jafar did could be considered even worse (Usurping the throne, enslaving the royal family, sending Aladdin to a cold and agonizing death, etc. etc). And there is the fact that she mentions that by Mal's age, she had already cursed several kingdoms.
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In this universe, I mean. It's kind of odd that Beast and the others have such a strong reaction to her name, name when a) their movie lack lacks a traditional "villain", and what she did is not worse than what the Evil Queen did (Both basically had a grudge against a single kid), and even then, what Jafar did could be considered even worse (Usurping the throne, enslaving the royal family, sending Aladdin to a cold and agonizing death, etc. etc., etc). And there is the fact that she mentions that by Mal's age, she had already cursed several kingdoms.
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* The characters' aversion to her could be a power thing; she's a powerful fairy, supposedly the Mistress of All Evil, so she'd be more of a threat than any other villain, even the magical ones, since they're still just human.
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* The characters' aversion to her could be a power powerful thing; she's a powerful fairy, supposedly the Mistress of All Evil, so she'd be more of a threat than any other villain, even the magical ones, ones since they're still just human.
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[[WMG: Lonnie actually prefers the Western concept of putting the family name last.]]
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[[WMG: Lonnie actually prefers the Western concept of putting the family name last.]]
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When Nancy came from New York, she and Belle quickly became friends, and though her chats, Belle convinced Beast that uniting the kingdoms would be a good idea, and even paid homage to Nancy's home world by calling the new kingdom "United States of Auradon"
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When Nancy came from New York, she and Belle quickly became friends, and though through her chats, Belle convinced Beast that uniting the kingdoms would be a good idea, and even paid homage to Nancy's home world homeworld by calling the new kingdom "United "The United States of Auradon"
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He is often considered the darkest of all the Disney villains, even darker than Maleficent. Yes, Chernabog is a Devil Expy, but he's MadeOfEvil. Frollo's evil is of his own choice and desire and given his actions in his movie, one can only imagine how he had his daughter! Though rape is not a subject that would ever be directly addressed in a DCOM or anything Disney-related, it could be hinted at. He may wish to force his beliefs on Claudine and takes pleasure in her being the bell-ringer for Hell Hall because it's a means of him to regain the power he lost over Quasimodo. He may seek to have the Isle of the Lost dissolved in structure as a means of breaking the barrier even though it would likely cost almost everyone on the island their lives.
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He is often considered the darkest of all the Disney villains, even darker than Maleficent. Yes, Chernabog is a Devil Expy, but he's MadeOfEvil. Frollo's evil is of his own choice and desire and given his actions in his movie, one can only imagine how he had his daughter! Though rape is not a subject that would ever be directly addressed in a DCOM or anything Disney-related, it could be hinted at. He may wish to force his beliefs on Claudine and takes take pleasure in her being the bell-ringer for Hell Hall because it's a means of for him to regain the power he lost over Quasimodo. He may seek to have the Isle of the Lost dissolved in structure as a means of breaking the barrier even though it would likely cost almost everyone on the island their lives.
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[[WMG: Pixar Characters don't appear because they could have their own respective islands.]]
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[[WMG: Pixar Characters don't appear because they could have their own respective islands.]]
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The name Lonnie sounds similar to the title of the Chinese equivalent of Ariel: The Dragon's Daughter. In the Chinese tale the dragons are the royals of the seas, and he had 10 kids: the first 9 of them are sons and finally he got a daughter. And she is just called the dragon's daughter from day to day.
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The name Lonnie sounds similar to the title of the Chinese equivalent of Ariel: The Dragon's Daughter. In the Chinese tale tale, the dragons are the royals of the seas, and he had 10 kids: the first 9 of them are sons sons, and finally finally, he got a daughter. And she is just called the dragon's daughter from day to day.
today.
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* Jossed: they only capture Ben
[[WMG: Something about the fact that Mal and Ben technically are both single rulers of their own kingdoms will interfere with their relationship in Descendants 2.]]
Someone will point out that with Maleficent out of the way, Mal should be ruling the Isle and at least part of the plot will involve dealing with the power vacuum left on the Isle, probably ending with Auradon taking on any and all repentant Isle citizens and all innocent children and the Isle just being turned into a prison.
* An interesting idea, but mostly Jossed- apparently, all four of the traitorous [=VKs=] are now PersonaNonGrata on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more [=VKs=] who want to be good/ get off the Isle.
[[WMG: Something about the fact that Mal and Ben technically are both single rulers of their own kingdoms will interfere with their relationship in Descendants 2.]]
Someone will point out that with Maleficent out of the way, Mal should be ruling the Isle and at least part of the plot will involve dealing with the power vacuum left on the Isle, probably ending with Auradon taking on any and all repentant Isle citizens and all innocent children and the Isle just being turned into a prison.
* An interesting idea, but mostly Jossed- apparently, all four of the traitorous [=VKs=] are now PersonaNonGrata on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more [=VKs=] who want to be good/ get off the Isle.
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* Jossed: they They only capture Ben
Ben.
[[WMG: Something about the fact that Mal and Ben technically are both single rulers of theirown kingdoms will interfere with their relationship in Descendants 2.]]
Someone will point out that with Maleficent out of the way, Mal should be ruling the Isle and at least part of the plot will involve dealing with the power vacuum left on the Isle, probably ending with Auradon taking on anyand all repentant Isle citizens and all innocent children and the Isle just being turned into a prison.
* An interesting idea, but mostlyJossed- apparently, Jossed all four of the traitorous [=VKs=] are now PersonaNonGrata on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more [=VKs=] who want to be good/ get off the Isle.
[[WMG: Something about the fact that Mal and Ben technically are both single rulers of their
Someone will point out that with Maleficent out of the way, Mal should be ruling the Isle and at least part of the plot will involve dealing with the power vacuum left on the Isle, probably ending with Auradon taking on any
* An interesting idea, but mostly
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In universe, I mean. For being the girlfriend of the future king and supposedly an AlphaBitch, no other girl seems to follow her at any time, and more tellingly, no one cared when Ben essentially dumped her in a very public way, even considering that he left her for the daughter of friggin’ Maleficent. The only character she associates with is Jane, who is pretty unpopular herself. Compare with the VK, who are accepted by most of the student body almost immediately (Before the fiasco of Family day) with girls fawning over Jay and the same group greeting Mal sincerely, not to mention everyone joining in song for “Did I Mention” and later cheering when Ben invited her to the coronation. She was only popular as "Ben's girlfriend", but not as herself.
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[[WMG: Ally was a last minute addition to Wicked World]]
Her first appearance was at the very last bit of a webisode and in the next one she basically acts like Jane would (Who is the only named character that is missing from “Good is the new bad”)
Her first appearance was at the very last bit of a webisode and in the next one she basically acts like Jane would (Who is the only named character that is missing from “Good is the new bad”)
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[[WMG: Ally was a last minute last-minute addition to Wicked World]]
Her first appearance was at the very last bit of a webisode and in the next one shebasically acts like Jane would (Who is the only named character that is missing from “Good is the new bad”)
Her first appearance was at the very last bit of a webisode and in the next one she
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Most of the kids have one of two personality quirks that are different from their parents. While both of his sons will be well-built due to a strict exercise regime and will excel at tourney, one of them will find that they enjoy doing less 'manly' activities. He will be seen doing 'girly' things like cooking and sewing to 'geeky/nerdy' stuff.
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Most of the kids have one of two personality quirks that are different from their parents. While both of his sons will be well-built due to a strict exercise regime and will excel at the tourney, one of them will find that they enjoy doing less 'manly' activities. He will be seen doing 'girly' things like cooking and sewing to 'geeky/nerdy' 'geeky/nerdy stuff.
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[[WMG:Subsequent Descendants films will add in non-DAC franchises]]
* Although they don't appear to be canon, we've pretty much been told from the novels and Wicked World that ''everyone'' in the Disney Animated Canon has an offspring, all between the ages of 12 - 19. If this franchise remains popular enough to have plan for tons of films, we could expect Disney to add in characters from other franchises. And it won't be limited to just Pixar, Marvel and Lucasfilm. Who knows. We could see Naughty Dog's franchises (such as ''VideoGame/JakAndDaxter'') involved, for example.
* Although they don't appear to be canon, we've pretty much been told from the novels and Wicked World that ''everyone'' in the Disney Animated Canon has an offspring, all between the ages of 12 - 19. If this franchise remains popular enough to have plan for tons of films, we could expect Disney to add in characters from other franchises. And it won't be limited to just Pixar, Marvel and Lucasfilm. Who knows. We could see Naughty Dog's franchises (such as ''VideoGame/JakAndDaxter'') involved, for example.
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* Although they don't appear to be canon, we've pretty much been told from the novels and Wicked World that ''everyone'' in the Disney Animated Canon has an offspring, all between the ages of 12 - 19. If this franchise remains popular enough to have a plan for tons of films, we could expect Disney to add in characters from other franchises. And it won't be limited to just Pixar,
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[[WMG:Harry will double cross Uma.]]
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In fact, he could serve as LoveRedeems for Uma with him sacrificing himself for her when she gets herself in over her head and she'll be ''devastated''.
* Partially Jossed- he does remain loyal to her, but comes out completely unscathed.
* Partially Jossed- he does remain loyal to her, but comes out completely unscathed.
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* Partially Jossed- he does remain loyal to
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She'll sarcastically refer to him as "Cousin Chad", he'll remind her that they're step-cousins. Things will come to a head when Chad's parents pay a visit. Cinderella will take a liking to Dizzy and tell her she can call her "Aunt Cindy" if she likes, causing Chad to blow up in a jealous rage. Prince Charming will tell him "We didn't raise you to be like this, young man!" at which point Cinderella will sob and say "Yes, we did." She'll admit that the reason she spoiled her son was she didn't want him to feel unloved like she did, so she treated him like her step-mother did her daughters. Charming and Cinderella will decide to be a little stricter with Chad in hopes his attitude improves.
** Possible JerkassRealization for Chad, then. And then he connects the dots: Mom worked hard pretty much round the clock but never benefited in any way by it. She didn't have to do any work for the ball, though she benefited immensely by it. Though she experienced labor ''and'' profit separately, she never experienced the ''link.'' This inspires him to be of greater help to Dizzy, to the point where it matters little to him what he gets in return.
** Possible JerkassRealization for Chad, then. And then he connects the dots: Mom worked hard pretty much round the clock but never benefited in any way by it. She didn't have to do any work for the ball, though she benefited immensely by it. Though she experienced labor ''and'' profit separately, she never experienced the ''link.'' This inspires him to be of greater help to Dizzy, to the point where it matters little to him what he gets in return.
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She'll sarcastically refer to him as "Cousin Chad", he'll remind her that they're step-cousins. Things will come to a head when Chad's parents pay a visit. Cinderella will take a liking to Dizzy and tell her she can call her "Aunt Cindy" if she likes, causing Chad to blow up in a jealous rage. Prince Charming will tell him "We didn't raise you to be like this, young man!" at which point Cinderella will sob and say "Yes, we did." She'll admit that the reason she spoiled her son was she didn't want him to feel unloved like she did, so she treated him like her step-mother stepmother did her daughters. Charming and Cinderella will decide to be a little stricter with Chad in hopes his attitude improves.
** Possible JerkassRealization for Chad, then. And then he connects the dots: Mom worked hard pretty much round the clock but never benefited in any way by it. She didn't have to do any work for the ball, though she benefited immenselyby from it. Though she experienced labor ''and'' profit separately, she never experienced the ''link.'' This inspires him to be of greater help to Dizzy, to the point where it matters little to him what he gets in return.
** Possible JerkassRealization for Chad, then. And then he connects the dots: Mom worked hard pretty much round the clock but never benefited in any way by it. She didn't have to do any work for the ball, though she benefited immensely
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It will be just a short role. S/he'll pop up just long enough to make some wise cracks and hit someone with a pie. Let's face it, this kind of thing's expensive! It would be challenging to put her in a choreography number because it would mean telling the other dancers not to step on a certain mark because that's where the character will go. (Once again, it's expensive!)
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It will be just a short role. S/he'll pop up just long enough to make some wise cracks wisecracks and hit someone with a pie. Let's face it, this kind of thing's expensive! It would be challenging to put her in a choreography number because it would mean telling the other dancers not to step on a certain mark because mark. After all, that's where the character will go. (Once again, it's expensive!)
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Sons just because it's fun to flip gender dynamics around. They're cousins who were best friends growing up, but are drifting because [[WesternAnimation/Frozen2013 Elsa's]] son is feeling both pressures of being crown prince and trying to control the powers he inherited from his mother. At a pivotal moment, Elsa's son will realize it's time to "Let it Go", possibly in a showdown with Uma. There may be a scene where Anna's son (Which maybe a nine year old who might get a crush on Uma) nearly sacrifices himself for his cousin as his mother did for her sister. Witnessing such altruism may start Uma's HeelFaceTurn and evoke her going "MyGodWhatHaveIDone". It would also be a good opportunity to recycle the CutSong "More Than Just a Spare" by having Anna's son sing it. The lyrics could be tweaked to not only fit another gender but a time period where someone might be more familiar with cars having spare tires than horses with spare shoes. (OK, technically, while Anna's still alive, this makes him more of a spare spare. Same difference.)
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Sons just because it's fun to flip gender dynamics around. They're cousins who were best friends growing up, up but are drifting because [[WesternAnimation/Frozen2013 Elsa's]] son is feeling both pressures of being the crown prince and trying to control the powers he inherited from his mother. At a pivotal moment, Elsa's son will realize it's time to "Let it Go", possibly in a showdown with Uma. There may be a scene where Anna's son (Which maybe may be a nine year old nine-year-old who might get a crush on Uma) nearly sacrifices himself for his cousin as his mother did for her sister. Witnessing such altruism may start Uma's HeelFaceTurn and evoke her going "MyGodWhatHaveIDone". It would also be a good opportunity to recycle the CutSong "More Than Just a Spare" by having Anna's son sing it. The lyrics could be tweaked to not only fit another gender but a time period where someone might be more familiar with cars having spare tires than horses with spare shoes. (OK, technically, while Anna's still alive, this makes him more of a spare spare. Same difference.)
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[[WMG:Harry will have [[ItsPersonal a grudge]] against Ben in ''Descendants 3''.]]
Harry ''clearly'' doesn't need a reason to whip out the sharp end of the hook, but he's also Uma's 100% loyal first mate. The unbalanced pirate boy will blame Ben for not only Uma's humiliating defeat, but also reaching her vulnerable side and hurting her in the heart. If they get a RelationshipUpgrade, the romantic dance she shared with Ben could also [[CrazyJealousGuy set Harry off]].
* [[spoiler: '''Jossed'''; although Harry is far from thrilled to have to work alongside the [=VKs=], he displays no particular enmity towards Ben; if anything, he gets annoyed at ''Jay'' for hitting it off with ''Gil'' as bros.]]
Harry ''clearly'' doesn't need a reason to whip out the sharp end of the hook, but he's also Uma's 100% loyal first mate. The unbalanced pirate boy will blame Ben for not only Uma's humiliating defeat, but also reaching her vulnerable side and hurting her in the heart. If they get a RelationshipUpgrade, the romantic dance she shared with Ben could also [[CrazyJealousGuy set Harry off]].
* [[spoiler: '''Jossed'''; although Harry is far from thrilled to have to work alongside the [=VKs=], he displays no particular enmity towards Ben; if anything, he gets annoyed at ''Jay'' for hitting it off with ''Gil'' as bros.]]
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Harry ''clearly'' doesn't need a reason to whip out the sharp end of the hook, but he's also Uma's 100% loyal first mate. The unbalanced pirate boy will blame Ben for not only Uma's humiliating
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Such villains have become much more typical of Disney movies in the past couple of decades, and it makes sense that one would appear later in this film series, after the over-the-top baddies' theatrics and {{Narm}} have lulled Auradon's defenders into assuming there's no such thing as a subtle villain. Such a villain-in-good-guy clothing could charm their way onto the list of new [=VK=]s to be welcomed at Auradon Prep, only to reveal their treacherous true colors - and, perhaps, their true ''parentage'', e.g. if they were well-known as the child of a lesser antagonist like Helga Sinclair, but nobody knew that ''Hans'' was their father - as a surprise mastermind who's been playing both the heroes ''and'' the more overt villains for chumps.
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Such villains have become much more typical of Disney movies in the past couple of decades, and it makes sense that one would appear later in this film series, after the over-the-top baddies' theatrics and {{Narm}} have lulled Auradon's defenders into assuming there's no such thing as a subtle villain. Such a an item of villain-in-good-guy clothing could charm their way onto the list of new [=VK=]s to be welcomed at Auradon Prep, only to reveal their treacherous true colors - and, perhaps, their true ''parentage'', e.g. if they were well-known as the child of a lesser antagonist like Helga Sinclair, but nobody knew that ''Hans'' was their father - as a surprise mastermind who's been playing both the heroes ''and'' the more overt villains for chumps.
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They're both played by [=McClain=] sisters; China Anne [=McClain=] originally voiced Freddie, but went on to play Uma in ''Descendants 2'' while Lauryn took over the role of Freddie. Quite likely, Facilier and Ursula must have had an affair at some point which resulted in Uma's birth but they broke up and he went on to have another relationship which led to Freddie. We can assume they aren't full sisters since Freddie hasn't shown any Cecaelia traits thus far.
* [[spoiler: Probably '''jossed''', as we meet Dr. Facilier's daughter Celia in ''3''. Uma's reluctance to help Mal protect Auradon from Audrey's rampage, despite knowing that Celia is there and in serious danger, strongly suggests there's no blood relationship: Uma doesn't seem like someone who could abandon her little (half-)sister like that.]]
* [[spoiler: Probably '''jossed''', as we meet Dr. Facilier's daughter Celia in ''3''. Uma's reluctance to help Mal protect Auradon from Audrey's rampage, despite knowing that Celia is there and in serious danger, strongly suggests there's no blood relationship: Uma doesn't seem like someone who could abandon her little (half-)sister like that.]]
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They're both played by [=McClain=] sisters; China Anne [=McClain=] originally voiced Freddie, Freddie but went on to play Uma in ''Descendants 2'' while Lauryn took over the role of Freddie. Quite likely, Facilier and Ursula must have had an affair at some point which resulted in Uma's birth but they broke up and he went on to have another relationship which led to Freddie. We can assume they aren't full sisters since Freddie hasn't shown any Cecaelia Celia traits thus far.
* [[spoiler: Probably '''jossed''', as we meet Dr. Facilier's daughter Celia in ''3''. Uma's reluctance to help Mal protect Auradon from Audrey's rampage, despite knowing that Celia is there and inserious danger, strongly suggests there's no blood relationship: Uma doesn't seem like someone who could abandon her little (half-)sister like that.]]
* [[spoiler: Probably '''jossed''', as we meet Dr. Facilier's daughter Celia in ''3''. Uma's reluctance to help Mal protect Auradon from Audrey's rampage, despite knowing that Celia is there and in
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Perhaps, in early drafts of the first movie's script (before the casting process began), Lonnie was basically the same character she was in the final product, but intended to be Snow White's daughter rather than Mulan's (possibly with a different name and even a bigger role). Then Dianne Doan auditioned, the casting directors decided she was too good to pass up, and without enough time to add in a new character for her, convinced the writers to change the Snow White's daughter character into Lonnie (much like how Luke from ''Series/{{Jessie}}'' was intended to be a Korean character named Hiro, but [[AbilityOverAppearance was retooled after Cameron Boyce auditioned]]).
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Perhaps, in early drafts of the first movie's script (before the casting process began), Lonnie was basically the same character she was in the final product, product but intended to be Snow White's daughter rather than Mulan's (possibly with a different name and even a bigger role). Then Dianne Doan auditioned, the casting directors decided she was too good to pass up, and without enough time to add in a new character for her, convinced the writers to change the Snow White's daughter character into Lonnie (much like how Luke from ''Series/{{Jessie}}'' was intended to be a Korean character named Hiro, but [[AbilityOverAppearance was retooled after Cameron Boyce auditioned]]).
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[[WMG: The other students at Auradon Prep are the children of background characters from the Disney movies]]
Obviously, they can't ''all'' be the children of the Disney Princesses and Heroes, so logically, that's the only explanation of who they are.
* Plenty more are probably the children of characters who never even appeared on screen. Auradon incorporates whole ''countries'', not just the bits of them that audiences happen to be shown.
Obviously, they can't ''all'' be the children of the Disney Princesses and Heroes, so logically, that's the only explanation of who they are.
* Plenty more are probably the children of characters who never even appeared on screen. Auradon incorporates whole ''countries'', not just the bits of them that audiences happen to be shown.
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[[WMG: The other students at Auradon Prep are Prepare the children of background characters from the Disney movies]]
Obviously, they They can't ''all'' be the children of the Disney Princesses and Heroes, so logically, that's the only explanation of who they are.
* Plenty more are probably the children of characters who never even appeared on the screen. Auradon incorporates whole ''countries'', not just the bits of them that audiences happen to be shown.
* Plenty more are probably the children of characters who never even appeared on the screen. Auradon incorporates whole ''countries'', not just the bits of them that audiences happen to be shown.
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During the scene where Mal and Ben try to convince Uma to choose good, Uma looks at them for a minute as if she's considering their offer, but then her necklace begins to glow and she suddenly jumps off the boat's edge. The necklace she wears was originally Ursula's necklace, which Uma started wearing. Though Ursula no longer owns it, it's reasonable to assume she still has a connection to it. Maybe she was monitoring Uma and was afraid she'd do a HeelFaceTurn like Mal and her friends did, so she activated the necklace and used her own magic to control her and make her resist them.
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During the scene where Mal and Ben try to convince Uma to choose good, Uma looks at them for a minute as if she's considering their offer, but then her necklace begins to glow and she suddenly jumps off the boat's edge. The necklace she wears was originally Ursula's necklace, which Uma started wearing. Though Ursula no longer owns it, it's reasonable to assume she still has a connection to it. Maybe she was monitoring Uma and was afraid she'd do a HeelFaceTurn like Mal and her friends did, so she activated the necklace and used her own magic to control her and make her resist them.
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** '''Jossed'''; Despite the last Decendants special happening, she still won't show up. They didn't bring over Melody in the sequels, so why would Jodi reprising as Ariel be any better?
[[WMG: Sometime between the second and third move, Uma took over Atlantica and/or the Seven Seas]]
Uma is last seen diving under water after her plan to control Ben fails. The ''Under the Sea'' special shows she was still free and had apparently taken refuge under the sea. The promo trailer show her wearing a tiara while in her cecaelia form, which she did not have before. Considering that everyone agreed to give up magic, it's unlikely that the mermaids would be able to defend against Uma and considering it was her mother's dream to rule the seven seas, it seems like Uma would definitely try to fulfill it.
[[WMG: Sometime between the second and third move, Uma took over Atlantica and/or the Seven Seas]]
Uma is last seen diving under water after her plan to control Ben fails. The ''Under the Sea'' special shows she was still free and had apparently taken refuge under the sea. The promo trailer show her wearing a tiara while in her cecaelia form, which she did not have before. Considering that everyone agreed to give up magic, it's unlikely that the mermaids would be able to defend against Uma and considering it was her mother's dream to rule the seven seas, it seems like Uma would definitely try to fulfill it.
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** '''Jossed'''; Despite the last Decendants Descendants special happening, she still won't show up. They didn't bring over Melody in the sequels, so why would Jodi reprising as Ariel be any better?
[[WMG: Sometime between the second and thirdmove, movements, Uma took over Atlantica and/or the Seven Seas]]
Uma is last seen divingunder water underwater after her plan to control Ben fails. The ''Under the Sea'' special shows she was still free and had apparently taken refuge under the sea. The promo trailer show shows her wearing a tiara while in her cecaelia form, which she did not have before. Considering that everyone agreed to give up magic, it's unlikely that the mermaids would be able to defend against Uma Uma, and considering it was her mother's dream to rule the seven seas, it seems like Uma would definitely try to fulfill it.
[[WMG: Sometime between the second and third
Uma is last seen diving
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Crazy theory I know. But one I thought of and decided to share because why not. What if Dizzy turns out Dizzy was EvilAllAlong and is actually the one pulling the strings from behind the scenes. She is probably the most beneath suspicion person on the entire Isles. Maybe not exactly EvilAllAlong but instead trying to destroy the barrier to free the Isle. I recognize this is a kind of crack theory and is very unlikely to be true. But it came to my mind as a sort of crazy what if and I thought I might as well put it here.
** [[spoiler: '''Jossed''': Dizzy does appear, but is a minor supporting character only.]]
** [[spoiler: '''Jossed''': Dizzy does appear, but is a minor supporting character only.]]
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Bear with me here; Celia, in one of the trailers, claims that Auradon will be brought down from within and that the events of the movie will cause some friendships to bind or break. This suggests someone from Auradon is responsible. In another trailer, Audrey seems upset over Ben's proposal to Mal. It's also stated that the culprit steals Maleficent's scepter and the queen's crown; who would want the queen's crown besides someone who wants to be queen but knows she never can be? My theory is that Audrey steals the scepter and crown out of jealousy for Mal (since both of the things are, in a sense, rightfully Mal's) and enacted the curse in order to frame the [=VKs=] so she could be rid of Mal and have a chance with Ben again or alternately, she's just out for revenge and has no real plan other than that.
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Bear with me here; Celia, in one of the trailers, claims that Auradon will be brought down from within and that the events of the movie will cause some friendships to bind bend or break. This suggests someone from Auradon is responsible. In another trailer, Audrey seems upset over Ben's proposal to Mal. It's also stated that the culprit steals Maleficent's scepter and the queen's crown; who would want the queen's crown besides beside someone who wants to be queen but knows she never can be? My theory is that Audrey steals the scepter and crown out of jealousy for Mal (since both of the things are, in a sense, rightfully Mal's) and enacted the curse in order to frame the [=VKs=] so she could be rid of Mal and have a chance with Ben again or alternately, she's just out for revenge and has no real plan other than that.
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* [[spoiler: She, Hades, and the Facilier's jointly conspired together to convince Auradon's leaders to bring the barrier down for good. They didn't play any role in making Audrey go on a rampage, but Celia and her father did ''predict'' it would happen. Hoping that Uma could devise a plan to turn this to their advantage, they met her at the barrier's edge and told her all about what was coming. Celia also told Hades during one of her errand runs, and he volunteered to help. His initial attempt to bust through the barrier failed, but served to remind Mal about her father's Ember, and weakened her enough to ensure she wouldn't risk tackling Audrey without Isle allies' help. In returning to the Isle to acquire the Ember, the Core Four allowed Harry and Gil the chance to escape. This gave Uma enough manpower, together with her amulet and the stolen Ember, to pressure Mal to promise freedom for the Isle's kids, as we see in the film. But her plan went deeper than that: Uma knew that if anyone - Audrey (as actually happened), one of the [=VKs=], or an [=AK=] ally - got mortally wounded in the conflict, Mal would insist that Hades restore them. This would leave Auradon's leadership in a deeply-indebted position, and would - as the Faciliers' card-reading foretold, and as the film's events bore out - result in the abolition of the exile system. This accounts for the ever-so-convenient timing of so many events in the film: Harry, Gil, and Uma all turning up at the right moment; Hades catching Mal's hand when she first tried to snatch the Ember; Celia dousing the Ember (thus ensuring Mal would ''have'' to beg Uma's aid and would owe her big-time); even Dr. Facilier ''not'' asking Celia why she needed Hades' key. It was all part of their shared scheme to exploit Audrey's hissy-fit and get the barrier taken down.]]
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* [[spoiler: She, Hades, and the Facilier's jointly conspired together to convince Auradon's leaders to bring the barrier down for good. They didn't play any role in making Audrey go on a rampage, but Celia and her father did ''predict'' it would happen. Hoping that Uma could devise a plan to turn this to their advantage, they met her at the barrier's edge and told her all about what was coming. Celia also told Hades during one of her errand runs, and he volunteered to help. His initial attempt to bust through the barrier failed, but served to remind Mal about her father's Ember, and weakened her enough to ensure she wouldn't risk tackling Audrey without Isle allies' help. In returning to the Isle to acquire the Ember, the Core Four allowed Harry and Gil the chance to escape. This gave Uma enough manpower, together with her amulet and the stolen Ember, to pressure Mal to promise freedom for the Isle's kids, as we see in the film. But her plan went deeper than that: Uma knew that if anyone - Audrey (as actually happened), one of the [=VKs=], or an [=AK=] ally - got mortally wounded in the conflict, Mal would insist that Hades restore them. This would leave Auradon's leadership in a deeply-indebted position, and would - as the Faciliers' card-reading foretold, and as the film's events bore out - result in the abolition of the exile system. This accounts for the ever-so-convenient timing of so many events in the film: Harry, Gil, and Uma all turning up at the right moment; Hades catching Mal's hand when she first tried to snatch the Ember; Celia dousing the Ember (thus ensuring Mal would ''have'' to beg Uma's aid and would owe her big-time); even Dr. Facilier ''not'' asking Celia why she needed Hades' key. It was all part of their shared scheme to exploit Audrey's hissy-fit and get the barrier taken down.]]
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[[WMG:''Descendants 3'' will be InMemoriam to Cameron Boyce]]
Well why not? Due to Cameron Boyce's (Carlos) passing, it's quite obvious that the third film will end with a dedication to him.
* I was thinking that too! Maybe they'll have to cut some scenes where Carlos is in danger, since it could be seen as insensitive to his death.
Well why not? Due to Cameron Boyce's (Carlos) passing, it's quite obvious that the third film will end with a dedication to him.
* I was thinking that too! Maybe they'll have to cut some scenes where Carlos is in danger, since it could be seen as insensitive to his death.
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[[WMG:''Descendants 3'' will be InMemoriam Memoriam to Cameron Boyce]]
Well Well, why not? Due to Cameron Boyce's (Carlos) passing, it's quite obvious that the third film will end with a dedication to him.
* I was thinking that too! Maybe they'll have to cut some scenes where Carlos is indanger, danger since it could be seen as insensitive to his death.
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A Youtube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the Youtuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
[[WMG:In order to convince him that dogs were dangerous creatures, Cruella told Carlos that [[Film/{{Cruella}} dalmatians attacked her and killed her mother when she was young]].]]
[[WMG:In order to convince him that dogs were dangerous creatures, Cruella told Carlos that [[Film/{{Cruella}} dalmatians attacked her and killed her mother when she was young]].]]
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A Youtube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers power, to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the Youtuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc IIRC in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
[[WMG:In order to [[WMG: To convince him that dogs were dangerous creatures, Cruella told Carlos that [[Film/{{Cruella}} dalmatians attacked her and killed her mother when she was young]].]]
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We might be done with the major story arcs of the Core Four, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're done with ''Descendants''. Mal's words at the end of ''The Royal Wedding'' are suggestive of a new story beginning somewhere else, [[spoiler: and we see a trail of red paint leading us down into a rabbit hole.]] Also, due to Cameron Boyce's passing, a sequel to the three films and the animated special will just not be the same without him (the fact that Carlos is not in ''The Royal Wedding'' and is acknowledged to be absent in-universe is proof of this). So to make this successful multimedia franchise continue to work, the creators will give us new characters who will take on lead roles. The remaining Core Four, if we ever see them again, may become supporting characters (or will be main characters in forms of media where acting is not applicable, like books).
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We might be done with the major story arcs of the Core Four, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're done with ''Descendants''. Mal's words at the end of ''The Royal Wedding'' are suggestive of a new story beginning somewhere else, [[spoiler: and we see a trail of red paint leading us down into a rabbit hole.]] Also, due to Cameron Boyce's passing, a sequel to the three films and the animated special will just not be the same without him (the fact that Carlos is not in ''The Royal Wedding'' and is acknowledged to be absent in-universe is proof of this). So to make this successful multimedia franchise continue to work, the creators will give us new characters who will take on lead leadership roles. The remaining Core Four, if we ever see them again, may become supporting characters (or will be main characters in forms of media where acting is not applicable, like books).
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In universe, I mean. For being the girlfriend of the future king and supposedly an Alpha Bitch, no other girl seems to follow her at any time, and more tellingly, no one cared when Ben essentially dumped her in a very public way, even considering that he left her for the daughter of friggin’ Maleficent. The only character she associates with is Jane, who is pretty unpopular herself. Compare with the VK, who are accepted by most of the student body almost immediately (Before the fiasco of Family day) with girls fawning over Jay and the same group greeting Mal sincerely, not to mention everyone joining in song for “Did I Mention” and later cheering when Ben invited her to the coronation. She was only popular as "Ben's girlfriend", but not as herself.
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In universe, I mean. For being the girlfriend of the future king and supposedly an Alpha Bitch, AlphaBitch, no other girl seems to follow her at any time, and more tellingly, no one cared when Ben essentially dumped her in a very public way, even considering that he left her for the daughter of friggin’ Maleficent. The only character she associates with is Jane, who is pretty unpopular herself. Compare with the VK, who are accepted by most of the student body almost immediately (Before the fiasco of Family day) with girls fawning over Jay and the same group greeting Mal sincerely, not to mention everyone joining in song for “Did I Mention” and later cheering when Ben invited her to the coronation. She was only popular as "Ben's girlfriend", but not as herself.
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We might be done with the major story arcs of the Core Four, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're done with ''Descendants''. Mal's words at the end of ''The Royal Wedding'' are suggestive of a new story beginning somewhere else, [[spoiler: and we see a trail of red paint leading us down into a rabbit hole.]] Also, due to Cameron Boyce's passing, a sequel to the three films and the animated special will just not be the same without him (the fact that Carlos is not in ''The Royal Wedding'' and is acknowledged to be absent in-universe is proof of this). So to make this successful multimedia franchise continue to work, we will see new characters take the lead roles of subsequent works. The remaining Core Four, if we ever see them again, may become supporting characters (or will be main characters in forms of media where acting is not applicable, like books).
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We might be done with the major story arcs of the Core Four, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're done with ''Descendants''. Mal's words at the end of ''The Royal Wedding'' are suggestive of a new story beginning somewhere else, [[spoiler: and we see a trail of red paint leading us down into a rabbit hole.]] Also, due to Cameron Boyce's passing, a sequel to the three films and the animated special will just not be the same without him (the fact that Carlos is not in ''The Royal Wedding'' and is acknowledged to be absent in-universe is proof of this). So to make this successful multimedia franchise continue to work, we the creators will see give us new characters who will take the on lead roles of subsequent works.roles. The remaining Core Four, if we ever see them again, may become supporting characters (or will be main characters in forms of media where acting is not applicable, like books).
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[[WMG: We will be introduced to a new set of characters in the future.]]
We might be done with the major story arcs of the Core Four, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're done with ''Descendants''. Mal's words at the end of ''The Royal Wedding'' are suggestive of a new story beginning somewhere else, [[spoiler: and we see a trail of red paint leading us down into a rabbit hole.]] Also, due to Cameron Boyce's passing, a sequel to the three films and the animated special will just not be the same without him (the fact that Carlos is not in ''The Royal Wedding'' and is acknowledged to be absent in-universe is proof of this). So to make this successful multimedia franchise continue to work, we will see new characters take the lead roles of subsequent works. The remaining Core Four, if we ever see them again, may become supporting characters (or will be main characters in forms of media where acting is not applicable, like books).
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A Youtube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the Youtuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A Youtube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the Youtuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.revenge.
[[WMG:In order to convince him that dogs were dangerous creatures, Cruella told Carlos that [[Film/{{Cruella}} dalmatians attacked her and killed her mother when she was young]].]]
I had to.
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I had to.
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Sons just because it's fun to flip gender dynamics around. They're cousins who were best friends growing up, but are drifting because [[WesternAnimation/Frozen2013 Elsa's]] son is feeling both pressures of being crown prince and trying to control the powers he inherited from his mother. At a pivotal moment, Elsa's son will realize it's time to "Let it Go", possibly in a showdown with Uma. There may be a scene where Anna's son nearly sacrifices himself for his cousin as his mother did for her sister. Witnessing such altruism may start Uma's HeelFaceTurn.
It would also be a good opportunity to recycle the CutSong "More Than Just a Spare" by having Anna's son sing it. The lyrics could be tweaked to not only fit another gender but a time period where someone might be more familiar with cars having spare tires than horses with spare shoes. (OK, technically, while Anna's still alive, this makes him more of a spare spare. Same difference.)
* '''Jossed'''
It would also be a good opportunity to recycle the CutSong "More Than Just a Spare" by having Anna's son sing it. The lyrics could be tweaked to not only fit another gender but a time period where someone might be more familiar with cars having spare tires than horses with spare shoes. (OK, technically, while Anna's still alive, this makes him more of a spare spare. Same difference.)
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Sons just because it's fun to flip gender dynamics around. They're cousins who were best friends growing up, but are drifting because [[WesternAnimation/Frozen2013 Elsa's]] son is feeling both pressures of being crown prince and trying to control the powers he inherited from his mother. At a pivotal moment, Elsa's son will realize it's time to "Let it Go", possibly in a showdown with Uma. There may be a scene where Anna's son (Which maybe a nine year old who might get a crush on Uma) nearly sacrifices himself for his cousin as his mother did for her sister. Witnessing such altruism may start Uma's HeelFaceTurn.
HeelFaceTurn and evoke her going "MyGodWhatHaveIDone". It would also be a good opportunity to recycle the CutSong "More Than Just a Spare" by having Anna's son sing it. The lyrics could be tweaked to not only fit another gender but a time period where someone might be more familiar with cars having spare tires than horses with spare shoes. (OK, technically, while Anna's still alive, this makes him more of a spare spare. Same difference.)
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'''Jossed'''; They didn't bring anyone from Frozen over for the sequels.
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** '''Jossed'''; Despite the last Decendants special happening, she still won't show up. They didn't bring over Melody in the sequels, so why would Jodi reprising as Ariel be any better?
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* '''Confirmed''', of course. There's a [[TearJerker memorial dedication]] at the film's beginning ''and'' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit]] at the end.
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* '''Confirmed''', of course. There's a [[TearJerker memorial dedication]] at the film's beginning ''and'' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit]] at the end.
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** Interestingly enough, in the third movie, Audrey [[spoiler: during her VillainSong]] mentions being "lonely and friendless" and when she shows up at Jane's birthday party, everyone seems surprised that she's there, so this one could be true.
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A Youtube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the YouTuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A Youtube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the YouTuber Youtuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A YouTube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the YouTuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
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Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A YouTube Youtube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the YouTuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
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* '''Confirmed''', of course. There's a [[TearJerker memorial dedication]] at the film's beginning ''and'' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit]] at the end.
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[[WMG: Alternately to the above theory about Evie being in love with Mal. Evie and Mal are sisters.]]
Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A YouTube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the YouTuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
[[WMG: Alternately to the above theory about Evie being in love with Mal. Evie and Mal are sisters.]]
Their bond seems more like sisters than best friends (though maybe to them there's no difference. That's the case with a lot of friendships like that.) A YouTube video discussing Evie's father posed the theory that Hades is Evie's father as well. Would make sense given that most people believe you have to make a DealWithTheDevil to gain magic powers to begin with. Maybe in this case it was bearing his children? Other evidence to support this going off of the YouTuber is that Mal's hair briefly turns blue in 3, iirc in the presence of her father. The same shade of blue as Evie. The person seemed to think that this was because her father's power was manifesting in her, and Evie's hair is blue because it's ALWAYS active. Their personalities are also very similar, and after Mal, Evie is the fastest to turn good. Maybe out of loyalty to her sister? Would also explain her insistence on staying on the Isle in 2 when Mal decides to stay. She doesn't want her sister to be there by herself. Especially with Uma out for revenge.
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** Actually, it's quite possible. The Black Cauldron is in ''Descendants 3''. It's at the Museum in the same room as Maleficent's scepter.
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** Jossed: the books show Carlos to be younger than the rest of the VKs.
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*** In the books, it is stated pretty explicitly that she does not care about Carlos. She calls her car her baby, and refers to her furs as her "one true love." Carlos is made to clean her house all day long.
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* An interesting idea, but mostly Jossed- apparently, all four of the traitorous [=VKs=] are now ''PersonaNonGrata'' on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more [=VKs=] who want to be good/ get off the Isle.
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* An interesting idea, but mostly Jossed- apparently, all four of the traitorous [=VKs=] are now ''PersonaNonGrata'' PersonaNonGrata on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more [=VKs=] who want to be good/ get off the Isle.
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* An interesting idea, but mostly Jossed- apparently, all four of the traitorous [=VKs=] are now ''persona non grata'' on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more [=VKs=] who want to be good/ get off the Isle.
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* An interesting idea, but mostly Jossed- apparently, all four of the traitorous [=VKs=] are now ''persona non grata'' ''PersonaNonGrata'' on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more [=VKs=] who want to be good/ get off the Isle.