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** This WMG has some truth to it, now that PlatinumGames is developing VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance.

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** * This WMG has some truth to it, now that PlatinumGames is developing VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance.
** Even moreso now that Bayonetta's getting a sequel!



** You're forgetting that humans can see and hear the results of Bayonetta fighting. If Bayonetta starts breaking stuff while outside of a fight, then humans will just run away. Combine that with the fact that we see the angels enter from Paradiso, and that we know that the angels exist independently of humans, there's no evidence that the bog standard angels are made from humans. That said, there are an awful lot of tubes of red stuff around the area where they're building the new Jubileus....

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** * You're forgetting that humans can see and hear the results of Bayonetta fighting. If Bayonetta starts breaking stuff while outside of a fight, then humans will just run away. Combine that with the fact that we see the angels enter from Paradiso, and that we know that the angels exist independently of humans, there's no evidence that the bog standard angels are made from humans. That said, there are an awful lot of tubes of red stuff around the area where they're building the new Jubileus....
** Those tubes are actually vessels for the bodies of long-dead Umbra Witches. The Ithavoll Group uses the witches' magic to power many of their creations easily. Pretty twisted.



She always called him Cheshire and he got annoyed at that. Though if you remember Cereza having a makeshift cat that she always carried around, I have come up with two conclusions: a) Bayonetta thinks of Luka as something she can play with, and b) He's someone that she wants to always keep close to her. It might seem a little crazy, but that's what WMGs are for.

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She always called him Cheshire and he got annoyed at that. Though if you remember Cereza having a makeshift cat that she always carried around, I have come up with two conclusions: a) Bayonetta thinks of Luka as something she can play with, and b) He's someone that she wants to always keep close to her. It might seem a little crazy, but that's what WMGs [=WMGs=] are for.



If this is true, co-op play with both Bayo and her brother might be present in Bayonetta 2 (assuming he makes a HeelFaceTurn; the second player character could be controlled with the touchscreen game pad.)

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If this is true, co-op play with both Bayo and her brother might be present in Bayonetta 2 (assuming he makes a HeelFaceTurn; the second player character could be controlled with the touchscreen game pad.))

[[WMG: A Lumen Sage will be playable in Bayonetta 2.]]
The one from the trailer? Perhaps. Now that Jeanne [[spoiler: is no longer under the sages' mind control and is most certainly on Bayonetta's side, we need a new rival]], and who could fill that role? Why not the mysterious figure from the trailer? And, just like in the first game, he could become a playable character like Jeanne was.
*The inclusion of co-op also definitely opens up the gates for more characters.
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* Luka's father's name is "Antonio Redgrave". Sound familiar? WordOfGod states that he likes to imagine that the two series really are in the same universe.
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If this is true, co-op play with both Bayo and her brother might be present in Bayonetta 2 (assuming he makes a HeelFaceTurn; the second player character could be controlled with the touchscreen game pad.

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If this is true, co-op play with both Bayo and her brother might be present in Bayonetta 2 (assuming he makes a HeelFaceTurn; the second player character could be controlled with the touchscreen game pad.)
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Makes sence that she would end up fighting the strongest warrior of heaven.

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Makes sence sense that she would end up fighting the strongest warrior of heaven.



She always called him Cheshire and he got annoyed at that. Though if you remember Cereza having a makeshift cat that she always carried around, I have come up with two conclusions: a)Bayonetta thinks of Luka as something she can play with, and b) He's someone that she wants to always keep close to her. It might seem a little crazy, but that's what WMGs are for.

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She always called him Cheshire and he got annoyed at that. Though if you remember Cereza having a makeshift cat that she always carried around, I have come up with two conclusions: a)Bayonetta a) Bayonetta thinks of Luka as something she can play with, and b) He's someone that she wants to always keep close to her. It might seem a little crazy, but that's what WMGs are for.for.

[[WMG: The white-cloaked figure from the Bayonetta 2 trailers is Bayo's brother.]]
Think about it. It's possible that [[spoiler: Balder and Rosa]] had twins, but chose to only reveal one to their clans; if having one child together meant becoming exiled, the punishment for two would certainly be death. The second child was passed off as the son of another Lumen Sage and his true heritage was never revealed.

This also keeps true if the above WMG about the offspring of Sages and Witches is true; since the male twin was the son of a Lumen Sage, he is also a Lumen Sage.

If this is true, co-op play with both Bayo and her brother might be present in Bayonetta 2 (assuming he makes a HeelFaceTurn; the second player character could be controlled with the touchscreen game pad.
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[[WMG: Alternatively, Bayonetta is [[{{Anime/NeonGEnesisEvangelion}} Shinji's]] perspective of his life as he nearly goes through and ultimately rejects Human Instrumentality, put through the lens of Jungian psychology and major amounts of camp.]]
*'''Bayonetta''': Shinji's envisionment of the Eva units and the maternal figures in his life like Misatao and Rei. Extremely strong and sexual dominant females who can defeat any Angel, and with a force of personality/will he secretly wishes he could have. [[spoiler:And the one who forcibly rejected Gendo's plans for their own.]]
*'''Jeanne''': Shinji's view of his closest friends Asuka and Kaworu as partial rivals and aggressive love interests, who he wants to be close to but ultimately can't due to irreconcilable differences.
*'''Luka''': A partial wish fulfillment of Shinji's normal personality, as a bumbling wannabe ladies man who nevertheless tries to keep up with the insane antics of the women in his life, and succeeding to a degree.
*'''Cereza''': How Shinji sees himself and the other Eva children outside of their Evas. Small, weak, constantly in harm's way, yet capable of seeing and dealing with things no ordinary person should ever have to, and looks to their Eva units for strength and protection from the forces of Heaven. [[spoiler:And a tool in Gendo's world-ending scheme.]]
*'''Enzo''': Shinji's school friends. Helpful in keeping him grounded and knowledgeable for what's going on in the world outside of his constant struggle against the angels, but not much more than that, as he thinks they're too caught up in their own safe world to ever understand his problems.
*'''Rodin''': The personification of Seele as a whole and Gendo as an authority figure. Fairly friendly and a good supplier, but someone whose motives he doesn't completely understand, and have numerous skeletons in their closet.
*'''Father Balder''': Shinji's view of Gendo as his father, as a shadowy manipulative dog-kicking monster [[spoiler:who would gleefully sacrifice anything, even his own wife and child, in order to get what he wants.]]
*'''Jublies''': More or less Angel Rei in a nutshell.
*Other Angels: Do I have to say it?
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Makes sence that she would end up fighting the strongest warrior of heaven.

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Makes sence that she would end up fighting the strongest warrior of heaven.heaven.

[[WMG: Bayonetta actually thinks more of Luka than she lets on.]]
She always called him Cheshire and he got annoyed at that. Though if you remember Cereza having a makeshift cat that she always carried around, I have come up with two conclusions: a)Bayonetta thinks of Luka as something she can play with, and b) He's someone that she wants to always keep close to her. It might seem a little crazy, but that's what WMGs are for.
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[[WMG: Bayonetta is an AlternateUniverse of NeonGenesisEvangelion.]]

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[[WMG: Bayonetta is an AlternateUniverse of NeonGenesisEvangelion.Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion.]]
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The whole "shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in ''BulletWitch'' wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] (I haven't played it) but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].

[[WMG:''Bayonetta'' and ''DevilMayCry'' share the same universe]]

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The whole "shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in ''BulletWitch'' ''VideoGame/BulletWitch'' wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] (I haven't played it) but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].

[[WMG:''Bayonetta'' and ''DevilMayCry'' ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'' share the same universe]]



** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''GhostsNGoblins'', among others).

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** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''GhostsNGoblins'', ''VideoGame/GhostsNGoblins'', among others).
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[[WMG: Alicia from ''BulletWitch'' is Bayonetta's younger sister]]

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[[WMG: Alicia from ''BulletWitch'' ''VideoGame/BulletWitch'' is Bayonetta's younger sister]]
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** No, the true best crossover in history is both the above two series, plus AsurasWrath. THEN you have the best crossover ever.

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** No, the true best crossover in history is both the above two series, plus AsurasWrath.VideoGame/AsurasWrath. THEN you have the best crossover ever.



[[WMG: [[spoiler: [[AsurasWrath Chakratarvin]] is either Jubileus's Husband or Father.]]]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: [[AsurasWrath [[VideoGame/AsurasWrath Chakratarvin]] is either Jubileus's Husband or Father.]]]]
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** If we use that as evidence that ''Bayonetta'' and ''DMC'' are in the same universe, then ''ResidentEvil'', ''ViewtifulJoe'', and ''{{Okami}}'' all share this universe too.

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** If we use that as evidence that ''Bayonetta'' and ''DMC'' are in the same universe, then ''ResidentEvil'', ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'', ''ViewtifulJoe'', and ''{{Okami}}'' all share this universe too.



Itsuno and [=CPS1=] were handed the sequel to Devil May Cry before Kamiya had the chance to know what was going on... Which is strange, because before DevilMayCry was released Kamiya was responsible for making ResidentEvil 2, which is widely considered the best game in the series back when the games had fixed camera views and no Ganados or Plagas virus.

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Itsuno and [=CPS1=] were handed the sequel to Devil May Cry before Kamiya had the chance to know what was going on... Which is strange, because before DevilMayCry was released Kamiya was responsible for making ResidentEvil 2, VideoGame/ResidentEvil2, which is widely considered the best game in the series back when the games had fixed camera views and no Ganados or Plagas virus.
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[[WMG: In Bayonetta 2, Bayonetta will end up in a boss battle with [[TheMouthOfSuron The Metatron]].]]

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[[WMG: In Bayonetta 2, Bayonetta will end up in a boss battle with [[TheMouthOfSuron [[MouthOfSauron The Metatron]].]]
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[[WMG: In Bayonetta 2, Bayonetta will end up in a boss battle with [[TheMouthOfSuron The Metatron.]]

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[[WMG: In Bayonetta 2, Bayonetta will end up in a boss battle with [[TheMouthOfSuron The Metatron.Metatron]].]]
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The white cloak uses something similar to Witch Time in order to slice up Bayo's bullets. Lumen Sages have a Witch Time-like ability called Lightspeed Dash. Also, white cloak.

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The white cloak uses something similar to Witch Time in order to slice up Bayo's bullets. Lumen Sages have a Witch Time-like ability called Lightspeed Dash. Also, white cloak.cloak.

[[WMG: In Bayonetta 2, Bayonetta will end up in a boss battle with [[TheMouthOfSuron The Metatron.]]
Makes sence that she would end up fighting the strongest warrior of heaven.
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Namely, to Creator/{{Sega}} for a number of mismanagements of P*'s properties and to fans who are protesting its WiiU exclusivity.

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Namely, to Creator/{{Sega}} for a number of mismanagements of P*'s properties and to fans who are protesting its WiiU exclusivity.exclusivity.

[[WMG: The person in white from the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hirJAOc2D3k Bayonetta 2 teaser]] is a Lumen Sage.]]
The white cloak uses something similar to Witch Time in order to slice up Bayo's bullets. Lumen Sages have a Witch Time-like ability called Lightspeed Dash. Also, white cloak.
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Since these respective orders seem to be gender restricted, but (at least in Bayonetta's case) seemingly hereditary this must be the only option. Witch-born males are human, and Sage-born females are also human.

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Since these respective orders seem to be gender restricted, but (at least in Bayonetta's case) seemingly hereditary this must be the only option. Witch-born males are human, and Sage-born females are also human.human.

[[WMG: Bayonetta 2 will lob a number of {{Take That}}s]]
Namely, to Creator/{{Sega}} for a number of mismanagements of P*'s properties and to fans who are protesting its WiiU exclusivity.
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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator. Chakravatin is Obviously the stronger of the two and likely only rivaled by Queen Sheba herself (And [[VideoGameAsurasWrath Asura]] himself, too).


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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator. Chakravatin is Obviously the stronger of the two and likely only rivaled by Queen Sheba herself (And [[VideoGameAsurasWrath [[VideoGame/AsurasWrath Asura]] himself, too).

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[[WMG:Umbra Witches are the offspring of Witches and human males, Lumen Sages are human females and Sages]]
Since these respective orders seem to be gender restricted, but (at least in Bayonetta's case) seemingly hereditary this must be the only option. Witch-born males are human, and Sage-born females are also human.
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** This WMG has some truth to it, now that PlatinumGames is developing MetalGearRisingRevengeance.

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** This WMG has some truth to it, now that PlatinumGames is developing MetalGearRisingRevengeance.
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Bayonetta is going to get a sequel which somehow increases the {{HSQ}} in the series, and Platinum Games is going to go on to become a studio which produces nothing but hits. Kamiya, Mikami, and Inaba, already a cause for [[AndTheFandomRejoiced Fandom Rejoicing]], are going to quickly become well known like HideoKojima or ShigeruMiyamoto.

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Bayonetta is going to get a sequel which somehow increases the {{HSQ}} in the series, and Platinum Games is going to go on to become a studio which produces nothing but hits. Kamiya, Mikami, and Inaba, already a cause for [[AndTheFandomRejoiced Fandom Rejoicing]], fandom rejoicing are going to quickly become well known like HideoKojima or ShigeruMiyamoto.

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** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).

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** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', ''GhostsNGoblins'', among others).




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[[WMG: Jubileus and Sheba are one, the later's power is embodied by the left eye and darkness in this world is plain more powerful.]]
Like many have stated, there is this possibility that Sheba was born from the darkness purged from Jubileus when the realms split.
I think the reason behind the left eye of the darkness is precisely that, it controls the dark part of creation which rules hell. Bayonetta has both light and dark blood besides being the left eye, that means that she was the main source of power in the resurrection plot.

Balder is weaker than Bayonetta, the light he wields is just the smaller part of the original being whereas humanity's wickedness and the rather derranged world diverted most of the original power to Sheba. If the resurrection was complete with Bayonetta, it's possible that the resulting being would have Jubileus righteous mind and Sheba's sheer power.

It also makes you think why there was an Armageddon in the first place, maybe the original Jubileus got to much corrupt to wield her own power and broke herself apart.
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[[WMG: Bayonetta's conception was a XanatosGambit on part of BOTH of her parents, though her birth was never planned.]]

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[[WMG: Bayonetta's conception was a XanatosGambit ThePlan on part of BOTH of her parents, though her birth was never planned.]]
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* The appearance of Enzo, Dante's manager(?), in Bayonetta support this theory.

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* The *The appearance of Enzo, Dante's manager(?), in Bayonetta support this theory.
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*The appearance of Enzo, Dante's manager(?), in Bayonetta support this theory.
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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator. Chakravatin is Obviously the stronger of the two and likely only rivaled by Queen Sheba herself (And [[VideoGameAsurasWrath Asura] himself, too).


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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator. Chakravatin is Obviously the stronger of the two and likely only rivaled by Queen Sheba herself (And [[VideoGameAsurasWrath Asura] Asura]] himself, too).

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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator.


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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator.

Creator. Chakravatin is Obviously the stronger of the two and likely only rivaled by Queen Sheba herself (And [[VideoGameAsurasWrath Asura] himself, too).

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[[WMG: Why are the Angels really hunting down Bayonetta?]]
My guess? Most of the Angels of Paradiso (except, of course, the Cardinal Virtues) are actually trying to stop Bayonetta and Balder (a.k.a., the Left and Right Eyes of the World) from reuniting, mostly to keep Balder's plan from truly succeeding.

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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that theyare related. Both also share the Title of Creator.


[[WMG: The Left Eye and Right Eye [[spoiler: are titles passed down from person-to-person throughout the clans]], with the powers included.]]

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Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that theyare they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator.


[[WMG: The Left Eye and Right Eye [[spoiler: are titles passed down from person-to-person throughout the clans]], clans, with the powers included.]]]]]]


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[[WMG: Why are the Angels really hunting down Bayonetta?]]
My guess? Most of the Angels of Paradiso (except, of course, the Cardinal Virtues) are actually trying to stop Bayonetta and Balder (a.k.a., the Left and Right Eyes of the World) from reuniting, mostly to keep Balder's plan from truly succeeding.

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