History WMG / Bayonetta

* By extension, Lumen Sages are also not human. Judging by Balder's outfit, [[spoiler:they're peacock spirits possessing human bodies]].

[[spoiler:Balder states that, for Bayonetta to become the Left Eye, she had to "see the world through the eyes of an innocent", which is why he had her encounter her younger self. But because of the StableTimeLoop, all Bayonetta's memories of her mother are actually her future personality. And the Eyes of the World were never stones at all; rather, they were people. The fact that one Eye belonged to each faction probably means that their power somehow manifested in the members of the different clans, but taking into account Balder's exposition, it seems more likely that for each Eye to regain power, there had to be a unity of light, dark, and human -- like the unity Jubileus is supposed to signify.]]
* [[spoiler:Therefore, I put forth that Balder and Bayonetta's mother having relations with each other signified a unification of both sides in each of them. This made Balder capable of becoming the Right Eye of the World, and Bayonetta's mother able to become the Left. They were only exposed when the latter became pregnant and Bayonetta was born. While Balder's plan was to use his influence to bring back Jubileus, Bayonetta's mother was planning to use her alignment to wipe out the enemies of Queen Sheba, Inferno's ruler.]]
** [[spoiler:Because Sheba was formed from the darkness Jubileus left behind after Armageddon, Inferno works by occupying power vacuums; if something happened to completely wipe Jubileus out, Sheba gets all the remaining paranormal domain. In fact, even if Jubileus was revived, it wouldn't be a complete loss, because Infernal creatures could freely move around in the unified realities. Either way, Bayonetta's mother was planning on fouling up Balder's machinations and restoring the powers of hell instead of the ruler of heaven.]]
*** [[spoiler:After Bayonetta was born, Balder was exposed, and so he was exiled and Bayonetta's mother was imprisoned. But now that Bayonetta existed, there were two Umbra Witches capable of being the Left Eye. That's why, even after the witch hunts began, Bayonetta's mother wasn't the only one with the capabilities to both summon and destroy Jubileus. She knew the angels would be coming to secure the Left Eye, so sacrificed herself to ensure Bayonetta would live. She had also let Jeanne learn some of Bayonetta's origins while the girls were growing up, so that they would seal Bayonetta away and keep Inferno's ace player in the game.]]

[[spoiler:And now that Bayonetta's killed so many angels and destroyed Jubileus? [[OhCrap There's probably nothing to stop Inferno from becoming more active and trying to take over]].]]

[[WMG: Rodin is this universe's equivalent of none other than [[spoiler:Lucifer.]]]]

* [[spoiler:While Jubileus is listed as a God, she's not necessarily ''the'' supreme, only God. She's described as being at the epicenter of the previous destruction of the world/event that split the universe into three realities. Furthermore, the idea of needing to sacrifice thousands of lives to power her artificial husk is at odds with the traditional idea of an omnipotent God. Furthermore, the ability of Queen Sheba to so effortlessly kill her suggests that there are entities more powerful than her (unless Queen Sheba is her Dark half, but even so...) She seems to be a god, and presumably mistress of the angels, but not the supreme being per se, since Bayonetta kills her with relative ease.]]
** [[spoiler:The reason that Queen Sheba was able to finish off Jubileus so easily was that Bayonetta had already beaten the fight out of her. The fight with Father Balder pretty conclusively showed that the Summons were below Bayonetta in damage dealing and taking, and that they could be easily beaten by someone that was still in a condition where they could fight back.]]
** [[spoiler:The reason that Bayonetta was able to fight back against Jubileus in the first place is probably because Bayonetta, The Left Eye of the World, was pulled out before Jubileus awoke, leaving Jubileus at somewhere below full power.]]

[[spoiler:This said, however, it's quite possible that Rodin belongs to a faction of angels who weren't on-board with the whole "purge the universe" thing. It would make sense that this sort of plan is not universally approved-of, since it would necessarily involve the deaths of all the inhabitants of Paradiso, and if some of Inferno's denizens can be relatively benign, as suggested in various flavor documents, it only makes sense for angels to be the same way.]]

* [[spoiler: The way I understand it, Rodin is the Lucifer of the Bayonetta world. He is a fallen angel who is currently fighting against Paradiso. As for for Queen Sheba and Jubileus, they are meant to be the World's versions of God and Satan. By this I mean, they have the highest dominion of each realm]]
** [[spoiler: For Jubileus, it is more of the Demiurge depiction of the Christian God. I'm not sure how to explain this bit though.]]

* '''Bayonetta''': Shinji's envisionment of the Eva units and the maternal figures in his life like Misato and Rei. Extremely strong and sexual dominant females who can defeat any Angel, and with a force of personality/will he secretly wishes he could have. [[spoiler:And the one who forcibly rejected Gendo's plans for their own.]]

* '''Cereza''': How Shinji sees himself and the other Eva children outside of their Evas. Small, weak, constantly in harm's way, yet capable of seeing and dealing with things no ordinary person should ever have to, and looks to their Eva units for strength and protection from the forces of Heaven. [[spoiler:And a tool in Gendo's world-ending scheme.]]

* '''Father Balder''': Shinji's view of Gendo as his father, as a shadowy manipulative dog-kicking monster [[spoiler:who would gleefully sacrifice anything, even his own wife and child, in order to get what he wants.]]

The crazy, over-the-top action, the incredible power, come on, you know what it adds up to. Specifically, she's an Infernal. All of the various Crowning Moments of Awesome in the game are three-die stunts, and the final cutscene [[spoiler:implies that she starts taking Heresy charms.]]

*** Hilariously [[spoiler:this is actually somewhat right; as it turns out, the actual Capital G God of the human world (Aesir) had nothing to do with angels to begin with, humans in general are his domain. Neither does the Lucifer figure (Loptr), although it's arguable he corrupted the angels to serve his agenda.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/AsurasWrath Chakratarvin]] is either Jubileus's Husband or Father.]]]]
Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator. [[spoiler:Chakravatin]] is obviously the stronger of the two and likely only rivaled by Queen Sheba herself (and [[VideoGame/AsurasWrath Asura]] himself, too).

[[WMG: The Left Eye and Right Eye [[spoiler:are titles passed down from person-to-person throughout the clans, with the powers included.]]]]
Most likely the stone that Bayonetta has and the alleged Right Eye gem [[spoiler:act more like power amplifiers, that its respective Eye must have come into contact with.]] Also in the case of the Umbra Witch Clan [[spoiler:and how they handle who gets to be the clan leader, it would make sense for the victor of the fight to also gain the right to become the Left Eye, explaining why Bayonetta possesses "the most beloved of Umbran Treasures".]]

Think about it. It's possible that [[spoiler:Balder and Rosa]] had twins, but chose to only reveal one to their clans; if having one child together meant becoming exiled, the punishment for two would certainly be death. The second child was passed off as the son of another Lumen Sage and his true heritage was never revealed.

* Jossed. It's [[spoiler:Balder]].

The one from the trailer? Perhaps. Now that Jeanne [[spoiler:is no longer under the sages' mind control and is most certainly on Bayonetta's side, we need a new rival]], and who could fill that role? Why not the mysterious figure from the trailer? And, just like in the first game, he could become a playable character like Jeanne was.

* Partially confirmed. [[spoiler:Balder]] is playable in Tag Climax, but not in the main game.

** And as it turns out [[spoiler:the closest thing to Squid is actually humanity itself, being the mutated children of Aesir; we have free will and the capacity to grow.]]

I know, it sounds weird, but think about it. Loki is capable of causing past events to happen once again, is capable of manipulating the Remembrances of Time[[spoiler:, and even managed to use Time Travel to go 500 years into the future, abit losing his memories in the process]]. On the other hand, Loptr is seen scrying upon Bayonetta's fight with Valor, and makes use of astral projections of himself to fight rather than going himself. He also makes heavy use of Telekenesis, which is a good indicator for a SpaceMaster.

Even though they seem to specialize in one type of SpaceMaster or TimeMaster, it also seems like they have some aspects of the opposite's power. Loki is capable of creating shields or teleporting within Bayonetta, and [[spoiler:Loptr is capable of bringing Young Balder to the present time, but not capable of following Loki's Time Travel]]. Now to ask, how does Space and Time make up Nothingness?

Yes, it's been the common "guess" since Vergil being Nero's father was vaguely confirmed in side materials due to Vergil and Jeanne being the series protagonists' main counterparts. Yes, it seems to be contradicted by the notion that, if we can assume similar timelines are at play between the two series, Vergil's visit to Fortuna most likely would've taken place during the time period Jeanne had been brainwashed to serve Father Balder in his plot to reawaken Jubileus. Even if that assumption holds true, though, the revelations from ''VideoGame/Bayonetta2'' that Balder [[spoiler:had captured the evil deity Loptr inside himself to prevent him from freely traveling through time and subsequently spent 500 years being corrupted from the inside by Loptr's influence]] absolutely opens that door again.

Based on the opening cutscene [[spoiler:coupled with the game's revelations]], Balder's willpower and determination to always watch over his daughter even [[spoiler:while influenced to act]] as her enemy was strong enough that he kept [[spoiler:Loptr]] from escaping him even as he died. Presuming this willpower didn't just come out of thin air at the end of his life, moments of him [[spoiler:fighting TheCorruption and acting against Loptr's agenda could've easily happened (think [[Series/Charmed1998 Cole Turner]] during his time infected by the powers of the Source of All Evil)]]. In those moments, he might've realized that as much as he wanted and trusted [[spoiler:his daughter to be the one to stop him]], there was a chance she could fail. If Balder [[spoiler:in such lucid moments recognized that his corrupted self]] was using Jeanne was a thrall for his agenda, he could've hatched a plan to have her go out and create a son of power and virtue [[spoiler:in hopes that that son would be the one to take him down if Cereza failed]].

In that scenario, escort!Jeanne would've taken a shine to Vergil once he appeared as a customer, noticed his air of power and code of honor, and felt that he could be the one to produce this heir. Likewise, she would've had a mysterious yet familiar quality about her which he would be attracted to, not knowing that it came from a similar source to his mother. Thus, the escort-client relationship gradually warmed into a genuine affair. However, he was a young man with his obsessive ambitions, not the healthiest condition for an ideal father. Perhaps feeling that leaving the son with him wouldn't be the best idea, she might've taken off in secret upon becoming pregnant, had the pregnancy and gave birth without a man at her side, then left her son in the middle of town before returning to Balder's employ, leaving Vergil none the wiser as to any of what was going on. Side effect? [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nero has no clue about his parents nor the source of his powers, leading to a lot of the quiet angst he suffers from in Fortuna. Furthermore, Vergil doesn't know he's a father, and the latter's already messed-up mind takes the woman's desertion as yet further evidence that all that's worth his time is power.]] Oh, and it all turns out to be unnecessary [[spoiler:because Bayonetta did in fact defeat her father.]] Huh!

** But then again, the Umbra prefer to work in secrecy so she might not reveal anything if asked.

*** Sadly, artwork [[WordOfGod of God]] tells us that the Trish, Sylvia, Claire, and Ammy he mentioned were not old flames of his. [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110427212019/bayonetta/images/b/b1/Luka.png It's something more adorable.]]

[[WMG: As long as Bayonetta receives at least one well-received sequel, a crossover game with Videogame/DevilMayCry is inevitable]]

several angels entries mention them doing thing seemingly purely out of kindness like inspiring humans to make art or embracing them, and Rodins angel form is far closer to what we think of as angels, in addition to him being a far more reasonable person then the angels, its possible that at some point in the past the "winged human" style angels were dominant ones who were genuinly just focused on protecting humanity, but slowly got corrupted or replaced with the borderline eldritch abominations we see in game, possibly this was do to the Lumen Sages, as there souls are claimed by heaven by default, introducing the possibility of evil souls getting into heaven(and inversely the good Umbran witches going to hell could explain why some demons like Madama Butterfly seem to be decent people who genuinly care about the witches they have pacts with)

In that scenario, escort!Jeanne would've taken a shine to Vergil once he appeared as a customer, noticed his air of power and code of honor, and felt that he could be the one to produce this heir. Likewise, she would've had a mysterious yet familiar quality about her which he would be attracted to, not knowing that it came from a similar source to his mother. Thus, the escort-client relationship gradually warmed into a genuine affair. However, he was a young man with his obsessive ambitions, not the healthiest condition for an ideal father. Perhaps feeling that leaving the son with him wouldn't be the best idea, she might've taken off in secret upon becoming pregnant, had the pregnancy and gave birth without a man at her side, then left her son in the middle of town before returning to Balder's employ, leaving Vergil none the wiser as to any of what was going on. Side effect? [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nero has no clue about his parents nor the source of his powers, leading to a lot of the quiet angst he suffers from in Fortuna. Furthermore, Vergil doesn't know he's a father, and the latter's already messed-up mind takes the woman's desertion as yet further evidence that all that's worth his time is power.]] Oh, and it all turns out to be unnecessary [[spoiler:because Bayonetta did in fact defeat her father.]] Huh!

He only gained it by default after being the last surviving Lumen Sage.

Bayonetta is going to get a sequel which somehow increases the {{HSQ}} in the series, and Platinum Games is going to go on to become a studio which produces nothing but hits. Kamiya, Mikami, and Inaba, already a cause for fandom rejoicing, are going to quickly become well known like Creator/HideoKojima or Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto.

-->'''Han Solo''': "Droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookies are known to do that."

* This WMG has some truth to it, now that PlatinumGames is developing VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance.

In using TimeMaster abilities, it's possible to move things outside of the flow of time. In using SpaceMaster abilities, it's possible to move things out of reach of anyone who would ever want to get them. Put those two together, and what do you get? The ability to place something out of anyone's reach no matter what methods they use to try and get it. The power to erase things from existence, and hence the [[PoweroftheVoid power of Nothingness.]]