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* The Boss is the Morningstar, having taken over from Lucifer.

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* The Boss is the Morningstar, [[BigBad Morningstar]], having taken over from Lucifer.
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In [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]] it's explained that when someone in Hell are killed; they spend the next 100 years painfully putting themselves back together. Something similar happened when Johnny killed Satan, but then the Cosmic Reset happened and that made it more permanent. Satan's mind reset into Morningstar; but his power is in Dark Matter. Satan's mind is no slouch, so he set up the Ministries of the SevenDeadlySins in LEGION to get his power back.

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In [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]] it's explained that when someone in Hell are killed; they spend the next 100 years painfully putting themselves back together. Something similar happened when Johnny killed Satan, but then the Cosmic Reset happened and that made it more permanent. Satan's mind reset into Morningstar; but his power is in Dark Matter. Satan's mind is no slouch, so he set up the Ministries of the SevenDeadlySins in LEGION to get his power back.back.

[[WMG: Only one thing changing caused the [=AoM=] universe.]]
The Bosses death, without them, the Saint's collapsed early on, Johnny Gat settled down and became a cop, most of the Saints you recruit from 2 onwards never join up, because the Playa wasn't around to do so, also most of the antagonists of the games never formed their organizations because the Saints weren't a threat to them, seeing as most of the games were caused by the Playa's ambitions.
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* The Boss was President of the USA in SRIV, why not them being a legitimate POTUS in this timeline? (Instead of being PresidentEvil whose roots began from a street gang, could alternately be a sort of PresidentAction.)

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* The Boss was President of the USA in SRIV, why not them being a legitimate POTUS in this timeline? (Instead of being PresidentEvil whose roots began from a street gang, could alternately be a sort of PresidentAction.[[OurPresidentsAreDifferent President Action]].)
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In [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]] it's explained that when someone in Hell are killed; they spend the next 100 years painfully putting themselves back together. Something similar happened when Johnny killed Satan, but then the Cosmic Reset happened. Satan's mind reset into Morningstar; but his power is in Dark Matter. Satan's mind is no slouch, so he set up the Ministries of the SevenDeadlySins in LEGION to get his power back.

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In [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]] it's explained that when someone in Hell are killed; they spend the next 100 years painfully putting themselves back together. Something similar happened when Johnny killed Satan, but then the Cosmic Reset happened.happened and that made it more permanent. Satan's mind reset into Morningstar; but his power is in Dark Matter. Satan's mind is no slouch, so he set up the Ministries of the SevenDeadlySins in LEGION to get his power back.
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* No, not Keith David is playing Morningstar, or Alternate!Julius is Morningstar. At some point, actor Keith David decides to get into supervillainy and upends the world order.

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* No, not Keith David is playing Morningstar, or Alternate!Julius is Morningstar. At some point, actor Keith David decides to get into supervillainy and upends the world order.order.

[[WMG: Morningstar and Dark Matter are what's left of Satan.]]
In [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]] it's explained that when someone in Hell are killed; they spend the next 100 years painfully putting themselves back together. Something similar happened when Johnny killed Satan, but then the Cosmic Reset happened. Satan's mind reset into Morningstar; but his power is in Dark Matter. Satan's mind is no slouch, so he set up the Ministries of the SevenDeadlySins in LEGION to get his power back.
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** Confirmed.

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** Confirmed.Confirmed.

[[WMG: Keith David is Morningstar]]
* No, not Keith David is playing Morningstar, or Alternate!Julius is Morningstar. At some point, actor Keith David decides to get into supervillainy and upends the world order.
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* The final "Persephone's Encrypted Files" video shows a series of M.A.Y.H.E.M. agent dossiers, one of which is for Kinzie Kenzington, whose code name is "Safeword." Also, one of Gat's entries in the M.A.Y.H.E.M. database says that he's friends with Safeword, which is odd since none of the other agents in that video who aren't playable or base agents are referenced at any other point in the game. Finally, having three DLC agents means that there is a fifth team of three.

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* The final "Persephone's Encrypted Files" video shows a series of M.A.Y.H.E.M. agent dossiers, one of which is for Kinzie Kenzington, whose code name is "Safeword." Also, one of Gat's entries in the M.A.Y.H.E.M. database says that he's friends with Safeword, which is odd since none of the other agents in that video who aren't playable or base agents are referenced at any other point in the game. Finally, having three DLC agents means that there is a fifth team of three.three.
** Confirmed.
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* Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in Myth/ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.

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* Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in Myth/ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.
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* Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.

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* Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Myth/ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.
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** Actually, Persephone is French, since her home was Paris ([[WhereIWasBornAndRazed before LEGION burned the city to the ground]], and she peppers some dialogue with GratuitousFrench. Of course, a French female is ALSO a possibility for the Boss in Saints Row IV, so this only reinforces the theory instead of contradict it.
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* The Boss is the Morningstar, having taken over from Lucifer.
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Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.

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* Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.



The final "Persephone's Encrypted Files" video shows a series of Mayhem agent dossiers, one of which is for Kinzie Kenzington, whose code name is Safeword. Also, one of Gat's entries in the Mayhme database says that he's friends with Safeword, which is odd since none of the other agents in that video who aren't playable or base agents are referenced at any other point in the game. Finally, having three DLC agents means that there is a fifth team of three.

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* The final "Persephone's Encrypted Files" video shows a series of Mayhem M.A.Y.H.E.M. agent dossiers, one of which is for Kinzie Kenzington, whose code name is Safeword. "Safeword." Also, one of Gat's entries in the Mayhme M.A.Y.H.E.M. database says that he's friends with Safeword, which is odd since none of the other agents in that video who aren't playable or base agents are referenced at any other point in the game. Finally, having three DLC agents means that there is a fifth team of three.
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Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.

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Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babylon, and the fact he leads the Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.this.

[[WMG: Kinzie will be a DLC agent]]

The final "Persephone's Encrypted Files" video shows a series of Mayhem agent dossiers, one of which is for Kinzie Kenzington, whose code name is Safeword. Also, one of Gat's entries in the Mayhme database says that he's friends with Safeword, which is odd since none of the other agents in that video who aren't playable or base agents are referenced at any other point in the game. Finally, having three DLC agents means that there is a fifth team of three.
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* The Player in the first Saints Row game was a ScaryBlackMan. If any of the agents are the Boss's alternate self, it's probably Hardtack. Though I think that an argument could actually be made that Hardtack, Persephone, Fortune, Mixer, and Braddock are all theoretical alternate Bosses (based on the voice options available).
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* The Boss is Persephone Brimstone. Leader of the universe's equivalent of The Saints? Check. Russian Female? That was a possible option for The Boss, and check. Clearly doesn't care about collateral damage? Check.

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* The Boss is Persephone Brimstone. Leader of the universe's equivalent of The Saints? Check. Russian Female? That was a possible option for The Boss, and check. Clearly doesn't care about collateral damage? Check. \n Went from being a Lieutenant to turning on her leader and being a total badass in her own right, becoming obscenely powerful? Check. Employes Pierce, Oleg and Gat? Check. Face it, Persephone Brimstone is The Boss.
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* The Boss is Persephone Brimstone. Leader of the universe's equivalent of The Saints? Check. Russian Female? That was a possible option for The Boss, and check. Clearly doesn't care about collateral damage? Check.
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* The Boss is one of the playable characters. Their identity is up to whoever the player feels like.
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Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babalyon, and the fact he leads the ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.

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Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babalyon, Babylon, and the fact he leads the ministry Ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even a former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades Hades' wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough enough, the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.
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* Maybe the Boss will be a mysterious character of unknown gender, ethnicity, appearance, etc (perhaps only appearing as a VoiceWithAnInternetConnection or something similar) so that every player's version could be correct.
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* The Boss is either dead or never existed in the ''Agents of Mayhem'' universe.
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[WMG: Satan will be either TheManBehindTheMan or GreaterScopeVillain of the game.]]

Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOuttaHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babalyon, and the fact he leads the ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMytholgy Persephone is the name of Hades wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.

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[WMG: [[WMG: Satan will be either TheManBehindTheMan or GreaterScopeVillain of the game.]]

Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOuttaHell [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babalyon, and the fact he leads the ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMytholgy ClassicalMythology Persephone is the name of Hades wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.
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* Perhaps they could easily take on the appearance of their defaults (if they stay Caucasian). Same could be said for personality (with certain changes based on the AU).

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* Perhaps they could easily take on the appearance of their defaults (if they stay Caucasian). Same could be said for personality (with certain changes based on the AU).AU).

[WMG: Satan will be either TheManBehindTheMan or GreaterScopeVillain of the game.]]

Considering he's the BigBad of the [[VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOuttaHell previous game]], meaning the devil is part of the world of Saints Row, another thing that I can't help but notice is the Biblical[=/=]Hell motifs in the evil organization [=L.E.G.I.O.N=]. The name Legion alone is that of a Biblical demon. There's the games apparent BigBad Dr. Babylon, perhaps a reference to the Whore of Babalyon, and the fact he leads the ministry of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and the one attributed to Lucifer. There's even former member, Persephone Brimestone; while not part of Bibical theology, in ClassicalMytholgy Persephone is the name of Hades wife, and co-ruler of the Underworld; the name Brimestone also has a part in this as Fire And Brimestone are commonplace attributes to Hell. If that's not enough the enigmatic leader of [=L.E.G.I.O.N=] is called the Morningstar, as in the meaning of Lucifer's name. They are not exactly subtle about this.

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* The leader of some kind of police or other crime fighting force, similar to how Johnny was a police officer

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* The leader of some kind of police or other crime fighting force, similar to how Johnny was a police officerofficer.
** Like if Boss was a good (or heroic) counterpart to SRTT's Cyrus Temple?
* The Boss was President of the USA in SRIV, why not them being a legitimate POTUS in this timeline? (Instead of being PresidentEvil whose roots began from a street gang, could alternately be a sort of PresidentAction.)

[[WMG: A thought that spawned from the above WMG; If the Boss ''were'' to be in ''Mayhem'', what would their appearance and/or personality be like?]]
* Perhaps they could easily take on the appearance of their defaults (if they stay Caucasian). Same could be said for personality (with certain changes based on the AU).
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* A secret character who will be unlocked and playable near the end of the game.

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* A secret character who will be unlocked and playable near the end of the game.game.
* The leader of some kind of police or other crime fighting force, similar to how Johnny was a police officer
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[[WMG: How the Boss will be implemented in this game (feel free to add your own guesses).]]
* A secret character who will be unlocked and playable near the end of the game.

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