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** The UpdatedReRelease has a much more blatant example: [[In TheStinger Socrates and Ari are having a conversation, she walks off screen only to find herself face to face with the arbiter remarking he didn't expect to find her here again so soon and then ending with to be continued.. in pro philospher 2.]]

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** The UpdatedReRelease has a much more blatant example: [[In [[spoiler: In TheStinger Socrates and Ari are having a conversation, she walks off screen only to find herself face to face with the arbiter remarking he didn't expect to find her here again so soon and then ending with to be continued.. in pro philospher 2.]]
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** The UpdatedReRelease has a much more blatant example: [[In TheStinger Socrates and Ari are having a conversation, she walks off screen only to find herself face to face with the arbiter remarking he didn't expect to find her here again so soon and then ending with to be continued.. in pro philospher 2.]]
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Due to the death of [[UsefulNotes/AdobeFlash Flash]], the game is set to get a release on Steam. Its Steam page can be found [[https://store.steampowered.com/app/2120060/Socrates_Jones_Pro_Philosopher/ here]].

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Due to the death of [[UsefulNotes/AdobeFlash Flash]], the game is set to get a release was re-released on Steam.{{UsefulNotes/Steam}} in 2023. Its Steam page can be found [[https://store.steampowered.com/app/2120060/Socrates_Jones_Pro_Philosopher/ here]].



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%%* SpeechCentricWork* SpeechCentricWork: Most of the game is spent by the titular protagonist having debates with other philosophers.



* BeliefMakesYouStupid: Euthyphro. He's Soc's first opponent for a reason.

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* BeliefMakesYouStupid: Euthyphro. He's Soc's first opponent Euthyphro, who argues for a reason.poly-theist source of morality, is second only to Billy in how easy he is to out-debate.



** Kant breaks down in the same way Hobbes did, while screaming "NEEEEEIIIIINNNN!!" [[spoiler:But if he's to be believed, he already knew and even listed in his agenda to have his philosophy questioned.]]

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** Kant breaks down in the same way Hobbes did, did while screaming "NEEEEEIIIIINNNN!!" [[spoiler:But if he's to be believed, he already knew and even listed in his agenda to have his philosophy questioned.]]



* BuffySpeak: Socrates first's counter-argument with Euthyphro lacks proper lexic, as he has never learned about the uses and definitions of concepts such as fallacy and qualification. Luckily for him, his statement is not measured by "style points".

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* BuffySpeak: Socrates first's counter-argument with Euthyphro lacks the proper lexic, lexicon, as he has never learned about the uses and definitions of concepts such as fallacy and qualification. Luckily for him, his statement is not measured by "style points". Later on, Ari is shown to be teaching Socrates proper terms, after which Socrates stops using buffy speak.



* CrazyPrepared: Immanual Kant seems to have ''everything'' on his schedule, including the events of his debate with Socrates.

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* CrazyPrepared: Immanual Immanuel Kant seems to have ''everything'' on his schedule, including the events of his debate with Socrates.



** When a bunch of philosophers start to proclaim to know the answer on the nature of morality, someone among them says that morality is purely conceptual and cannot be define. [[spoiler:That is exactly Socrates' conclusion at the end, and he got at it on his own.]]
** The final opponent you face is far less difficult than the others to debate, pausing to insult you, complain and essentially throw a temper tantrum. Not surprising, since he [[spoiler:is Socrates, who although a wise philosopher was ''terrible'' when it came to essentially legal arguments. His poor performance in court over a minor accusation was actually why he was sentenced to death.]]

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** When a bunch of philosophers start to proclaim to know the answer on to the nature of morality, someone among them says that morality is purely conceptual and cannot be define.defined. [[spoiler:That is exactly Socrates' conclusion at the end, and he got at it on his own.]]
** The final opponent you face is far less difficult than the others to debate, pausing to insult you, complain and essentially throw a temper tantrum. Not surprising, since he [[spoiler:is Socrates, who although a wise philosopher was ''terrible'' when it came to essentially legal arguments.arguments and relied on Reducto ad Absurdium due to existing before the invention of formal logic. His poor performance in court over a minor accusation was actually why he was sentenced to death.]]



** John Stuart Mill, unlike most of the philosophers you face, is humble, friendly, and not easily offended, and in fact defends Socrates when Ari is fangirlishly angry with Socrates for challenging him.

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** John Stuart Mill, unlike most of the philosophers you face, is humble, friendly, and not easily offended, and in fact fact, defends Socrates when Ari is fangirlishly angry with Socrates for challenging him.



** Protagoras as well. Thanks to mistaking Soc with his old friend, Protagoras is polite and friendly with him.
* PapaWolf: Once he learns that [[spoiler:Ari's life is at much risk as his own]], Socrates demands to the Arbiter to bring forth his best philosopher to get things over quickly.

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** Protagoras as well. Thanks to mistaking Soc with for his old friend, Protagoras is polite and friendly with him.
* PapaWolf: Once he learns that [[spoiler:Ari's life is at much risk as his own]], Socrates demands to the Arbiter to bring forth his best philosopher to get things over quickly.



* StrawNihilist: Conversed when The Arbiter mentions that Nietzsche volunteered to debate with Socrates. He mentions that he's quite famous and quoted a lot by "[[EmoTeen angsty teenagers]]".

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* StrawNihilist: Conversed when The Arbiter mentions that Nietzsche volunteered to debate with Socrates. He mentions that he's quite famous and is quoted a lot by "[[EmoTeen angsty teenagers]]".



** Socrates dismisses learning about philosophy because he finds no use in pondering over the nature of right and wrong. Guess on what will depend his life.

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** Socrates dismisses learning about philosophy because he finds no use in pondering over the nature of right and wrong. Guess on what will his life depend his life.on.



* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: During the credits. Curiously, despite all the other similarities, the style of it is radically different from the way the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorney'' games handle it; whereas that series offers short speeches from the various NPC's, this game offers white-on-black images with no dialogue and no sprites.

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* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: During the credits. Curiously, despite all the other similarities, the style of it is radically different from the way the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorney'' games handle it; whereas that series offers short speeches from the various NPC's, NPCs, this game offers white-on-black images with no dialogue and no sprites.
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Due to the death of [[UsefulNotes/AdobeFlash Flash]], the game is set to get a release on Steam. It's Steam page can be found [[https://store.steampowered.com/app/2120060/Socrates_Jones_Pro_Philosopher/ here]].

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Due to the death of [[UsefulNotes/AdobeFlash Flash]], the game is set to get a release on Steam. It's Its Steam page can be found [[https://store.steampowered.com/app/2120060/Socrates_Jones_Pro_Philosopher/ here]].
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Due to the death of [[UsefulNotes/AdobeFlash Flash]], the game is set to get a release on Steam. It's Steam page can be found [[https://store.steampowered.com/app/2120060/Socrates_Jones_Pro_Philosopher/ here]].
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* AwesomeMcCoolname: Socrates and Ariadne Jones.
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** The final opponent you face is far less difficult than the others to debate, pausing to insult you, complain and essentially throw a temper tantrum. Not surprising, since he [[spoiler:is Socrates, who although a wise philosopher was ''terrible'' when it came to essentially legal arguments. His [[CourtroomAntic poor performance in court]] over a minor accusation was actually why he was sentenced to death.]]

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** The final opponent you face is far less difficult than the others to debate, pausing to insult you, complain and essentially throw a temper tantrum. Not surprising, since he [[spoiler:is Socrates, who although a wise philosopher was ''terrible'' when it came to essentially legal arguments. His [[CourtroomAntic poor performance in court]] court over a minor accusation was actually why he was sentenced to death.]]
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* PerfectSolutionFallacy: [[spoiler:Digging Arbiter's final claim will eventually cause him to make this fallacy.]]
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* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: As Socrates is giving his goodbyes to the philosophers he faced before, he says that all of them were great to meet...except maybe Euthyphro. And yes, Socrates did include [[GrumpyOldMan Hobbes]].

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* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: As Socrates is giving his goodbyes to the philosophers he faced before, he says that all of them were great to meet... except maybe Euthyphro. And yes, Socrates did include [[GrumpyOldMan Hobbes]].
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* StrawNihilist: Conversed when The Arbiter mentions that Nietzsche volunteered to debate with Socrates. He mentions that he's quite famous and quoted a lot by "[[{{Emo}} angsty teenagers]]".

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* StrawNihilist: Conversed when The Arbiter mentions that Nietzsche volunteered to debate with Socrates. He mentions that he's quite famous and quoted a lot by "[[{{Emo}} "[[EmoTeen angsty teenagers]]".
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* AmicableExes: Averted. Socrates and Ari's mother seems to have divorced in not so good terms, as Socrates points out in his rant over being late for Ari's school, that her mother doesn't talk to him anymore.

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* AmicableExes: Averted. Socrates and Ari's mother seems seem to have divorced in not so good terms, as Socrates points out in his rant over being late for Ari's school, that her mother doesn't talk to him anymore.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: When a bunch of philosophers start to proclaim to know the answer on the nature of morality, someone among them says that morality is purely conceptual and cannot be define. [[spoiler:That is exactly Socrates' conclusion at the end, and he got at it on his own.]]

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When a bunch of philosophers start to proclaim to know the answer on the nature of morality, someone among them says that morality is purely conceptual and cannot be define. [[spoiler:That is exactly Socrates' conclusion at the end, and he got at it on his own.]]
** The final opponent you face is far less difficult than the others to debate, pausing to insult you, complain and essentially throw a temper tantrum. Not surprising, since he [[spoiler:is Socrates, who although a wise philosopher was ''terrible'' when it came to essentially legal arguments. His [[CourtroomAntic poor performance in court]] over a minor accusation was actually why he was sentenced to death.
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* {{Adorkable}}: Socrates is a mere accountant who barely can grap philosophy, and has his job oftenly mocked and demeaned by everyone in the Intelligible Realm. His putting-a hand-behind-his head animation makes him even more endearing.
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* BlackSheep: Socrates mentions that every member of the Jones family is a buff in philosophy, or at the very least interested in it, but he's the odd one out for choosing a career in mathematics.
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* DivineMisfile: Socrates Jones winds up in the Intelligible Realm simply for having the same name as a famous philosopher.
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* InsultBackfire: Telling opponents "Your face is ugly" not only lowers [[HitPoints the Arbiter's opinion of you]]: half of the time, your opponents will be completely unaffected by it.
-->'''Kant''': Being called ugly with little or no justification: check!

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* AbsenceOfEvidence: Billy's «proof» that his repellent is effective is that there are no deer around.

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* AbsenceOfEvidence: Billy's «proof» that his repellent is effective is that there are no deer around. [[spoiler: Until one pops up on Soc and Ari's commute]].



* AwesomeMcCoolname: Socrates and Ariadne Jones.



* DeathByIrony: [[spoiler: Socrates and Ari get into a car accident when a deer jumps in front of them, even though they just finished proving to a deer repellent salesman that they don't need his product since there are no deer in New York]].



** Ari is in school talking about what a jerk was Hobbes.

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** Ari is in school talking about what a jerk was Hobbes.Hobbes was.
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* AbsenceOfEvidence: Billy's «proof» that his repellent is effective is that there are no deer around.

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* AndZoidberg: As Socrates is giving his goodbyes to the philosophers he faced before, he says that all of them were great to meet...except maybe Euthyphro. And yes, Socrates did include [[GrumpyOldMan Hobbes]].



** Kant breaks down in the same way Hobbes did, while screaming "NEEEEEIIIIINNNN!!". [[spoiler:But if he's to be believed, he already knew and even listed in his agenda to have his philosophy questioned.]]

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** Kant breaks down in the same way Hobbes did, while screaming "NEEEEEIIIIINNNN!!". "NEEEEEIIIIINNNN!!" [[spoiler:But if he's to be believed, he already knew and even listed in his agenda to have his philosophy questioned.]]



* DebateAndSwitch: [[spoiler: Socrates doesn't actually answer the question and find a perfect definition of morality, and he can't even prove his counterproposal (that such a thing is unfindable). By the final argument, both sides are arguing [[ChewbaccaDefense Chewbacca Defenses]] that have nothing to do with the original challenge.]]

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* DebateAndSwitch: [[spoiler: Socrates doesn't actually answer the question and find a perfect definition of morality, and he can't even prove his counterproposal (that such a thing is unfindable). By the final argument, both sides are arguing [[ChewbaccaDefense Chewbacca Defenses]] {{Chewbacca Defense}}s that have nothing to do with the original challenge.]]



* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: As Socrates is giving his goodbyes to the philosophers he faced before, he says that all of them were great to meet...except maybe Euthyphro. And yes, Socrates did include [[GrumpyOldMan Hobbes]].



* YoungerThanSheLooks: Ari looks old enough to be a college student, but she's actually in high school.

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* YoungerThanSheLooks: YoungerThanTheyLook: Ari looks old enough to be a college student, but she's actually in high school.
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* TheUnreveal: [[spoiler:Great Thinker Socrates created an idea on morality that allowed him to win the wager.]] We never are told what it was.
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** Socrates is named after the famous thinker who proclaimed to don't know anything in order to test other peoples' theories and believes to see if they stand solid. Unlike his namesake, however, Socrates Jones really doesn't know two things about philosophy and honestly questions things not out of rhetoric but to see if they're ''right''.

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** Socrates is named after [[Creator/{{Socrates}} the famous thinker thinker]] who proclaimed claimed not to don't know anything in order to test other peoples' theories and believes beliefs to see if they stand stood solid. Unlike his namesake, however, Socrates Jones really doesn't know two things about philosophy and honestly questions things not out of rhetoric but to see if they're ''right''.



* PressXToDie / SchmuckBait: Saying "Your face is ugly!" is guaranteed to heavily damage your LifeMeter... but it's always there, and so tempting. You'll at least get some funny dialogue for your trouble if you succumb to temptation.

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* PressXToDie / SchmuckBait: PressXToDie[=/=]SchmuckBait: Saying "Your face is ugly!" is guaranteed to heavily damage your LifeMeter... but it's always there, and so tempting. You'll at least get some funny dialogue for your trouble if you succumb to temptation.
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The titular Socrates Jones is an accountant who lives in New York with his daughter, Ariadne. Every Jones except for Socrates himself is a huge philosophy buff, whereas he himself just doesn't get what the fuss is all about. A car accident and a cosmic misfile, however, land him and Ari in the Intelligible Realm, the philosophers' afterlife, and his only ticket out is to answer the ancient question of what constitutes the perfect definition of morality. To come up with an answer, Socrates has to debate with a handful of famous philosophers.

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The titular Socrates Jones is an accountant who lives in New York UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity with his daughter, Ariadne. Every Jones except for Socrates himself is a huge philosophy buff, whereas he himself just doesn't get what the fuss is all about. A car accident and a cosmic misfile, however, land him and Ari in the Intelligible Realm, the philosophers' afterlife, and his only ticket out is to answer the ancient question of what constitutes the perfect definition of morality. To come up with an answer, Socrates has to debate with a handful of famous philosophers.
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changed link in lead to point to actual Socrates Jones website


''[[http://jayisgames.com/games/socrates-jones-pro-philosopher/ Socrates Jones: Pro Philosopher]]'' is a VisualNovel by Connor Fallon and Valeria Reznitskaya; as the title alone should indicate, it draws heavy, '''heavy''' inspiration from the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorney'' series. It's actually an EdutainmentGame designed to teach the player about debating and philosophy, but hides it well.

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''[[http://jayisgames.com/games/socrates-jones-pro-philosopher/ ''[[http://socratesjones.com/ Socrates Jones: Pro Philosopher]]'' is a VisualNovel by Connor Fallon and Valeria Reznitskaya; as the title alone should indicate, it draws heavy, '''heavy''' inspiration from the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorney'' series. It's actually an EdutainmentGame designed to teach the player about debating and philosophy, but hides it well.

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* {{Foreshadowing}]: When a bunch of philosophers start to proclaim to know the answer on the nature of morality, someone among them says that morality is purely conceptual and cannot be define. [[spoiler:That is exactly Socrates' conclusion at the end, and he got at it on his own.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}]: {{Foreshadowing}}: When a bunch of philosophers start to proclaim to know the answer on the nature of morality, someone among them says that morality is purely conceptual and cannot be define. [[spoiler:That is exactly Socrates' conclusion at the end, and he got at it on his own.]]


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* SequelHook: [[spoiler:The Arbiter saying that Socrates will be seen again in the Intelligible Realm "in a dozen years" points towards a second part. Who knows, maybe Soc will then debate over the meaning of life or some other theme.]]

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* AmicableExes: Averted. Socrates and Ari's mother seems to have divorced in not so good terms, as Socrates points out in his rant over being late for Ari's school that her mother doesn't talk to him anymore.

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* AmicableExes: Averted. Socrates and Ari's mother seems to have divorced in not so good terms, as Socrates points out in his rant over being late for Ari's school school, that her mother doesn't talk to him anymore.



* {{Foreshadowing}]: When a bunch of philosophers start to proclaim to know the answer on the nature of morality, someone among them says that morality is purely conceptual and cannot be define. [[spoiler:That is exactly Socrates' conclusion at the end, and he got at it on his own.]]



** Socrates is named after the famous thinker who proclaimed to don't know anything in order to test other peoples' theories and believes to see if they stand solid. Unlike his namesake, however, Socrates Jones really doesn't know two things about philosophy.

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** Socrates is named after the famous thinker who proclaimed to don't know anything in order to test other peoples' theories and believes to see if they stand solid. Unlike his namesake, however, Socrates Jones really doesn't know two things about philosophy.philosophy and honestly questions things not out of rhetoric but to see if they're ''right''.



** Socrates dismisses learning about philosophy because he finds no use in poundering over the nature of good and evil. Guess on what will depends his life.

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** Socrates dismisses learning about philosophy because he finds no use in poundering pondering over the nature of good right and evil. wrong. Guess on what will depends depend his life.

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* AmicableExes: Averted. Socrates and Ari's mother seems to have divorced in not so good terms, as Socrates points out in his rant over being late for Ari's school that her mother doesn't talk to him as much anyway.

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* AmicableExes: Averted. Socrates and Ari's mother seems to have divorced in not so good terms, as Socrates points out in his rant over being late for Ari's school that her mother doesn't talk to him as much anyway.anymore.



* BerserkButton: Kant doesn't like facial hair. Imagine his shock when he realizes half of the people around him have beards.
* BigNo: Kant breaks down in the same way Hobbes did, while screaming "NEEEEEIIIIINNNN!!". [[spoiler:But if he's to be believed, he already knew and even listed in his agenda to have his philosophy questioned.]]

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* BerserkButton: Kant doesn't like facial hair. Imagine his shock when he realizes over half of the people around him have beards.
beards. And even Mill has sideburns.
* BigNo: BigNo:
** Euthyphro breaks down screaming when Socrates proved his philosophy to be flawed.
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Kant breaks down in the same way Hobbes did, while screaming "NEEEEEIIIIINNNN!!". [[spoiler:But if he's to be believed, he already knew and even listed in his agenda to have his philosophy questioned.]]



* DefeatMeansFriendship: As philosophers seek to search for the most veritable answers, all of Socrates' past opponents (even the likes of [[TheCynic Hobbes]] and [[TheFundamentalist Euthyphro]]) came to respect him and even thank him for pointing out the flaws of their statements and giving them much to think about.



** Ariadne is named after mythological Ariadne, the one who gave to Theseeus a ball of yarn to guide himself in the Minotaur's labyrinth. Just as her namesake, Ari guides her dad by teaching him the basics on debate.

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** Ariadne is named after mythological Ariadne, the one who gave to Theseeus Theseus a ball of yarn to guide himself in the Minotaur's labyrinth. Just as her namesake, Ari guides assisted her dad by teaching him the basics on debate.



* NiceGuy: John Stuart Mill, unlike most of the philosophers you face, is humble, friendly, and not easily offended, and in fact defends Socrates when Ari is fangirlishly angry with Socrates for challenging him. Immanuel Kant is also a pretty decent guy, who only acted as an insufferable genius at the beginning in order to appeal at his schedule and actually takes his defeat rather well.

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John Stuart Mill, unlike most of the philosophers you face, is humble, friendly, and not easily offended, and in fact defends Socrates when Ari is fangirlishly angry with Socrates for challenging him. him.
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Immanuel Kant is also a pretty decent guy, who only acted as an insufferable genius at the beginning in order to appeal at his schedule and actually takes his defeat rather well.well.
** Protagoras as well. Thanks to mistaking Soc with his old friend, Protagoras is polite and friendly with him.


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* StrawNihilist: Conversed when The Arbiter mentions that Nietzsche volunteered to debate with Socrates. He mentions that he's quite famous and quoted a lot by "[[{{Emo}} angsty teenagers]]".


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* TwitchyEye: Euthyphro's shocked animation comes with a twitchy eye.
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* ExactWords: Socrates is only able to fight back against [[spoiler:The Arbiter]] after he pointed out that [[spoiler:he never said that morality ''didn't'' exist as The Arbiter believed, just that it was impossible to find.]]

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* ExactWords: Socrates is only able to fight back against [[spoiler:The Arbiter]] after he pointed out that [[spoiler:he never said that morality ''didn't'' exist as The Arbiter believed, just that it was impossible to find.define.]]
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* {{Adorkable}}: Socrates is a mere accountant who barely can grap philosophy, and has his job oftenly mocked and demeaned by everyone in the Intelligence Realm. His putting-a hand-behind-his head animationmakes him even more endearing.

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* {{Adorkable}}: Socrates is a mere accountant who barely can grap philosophy, and has his job oftenly mocked and demeaned by everyone in the Intelligence Intelligible Realm. His putting-a hand-behind-his head animationmakes animation makes him even more endearing.



* AndZoidberg: As Socrates is giving his goodbyes to the philosophers he faced before, he says that all of them were great to meet...except maybe Euthyphro. And yes, Socrates did include Hobbes.

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* AndZoidberg: As Socrates is giving his goodbyes to the philosophers he faced before, he says that all of them were great to meet...except maybe Euthyphro. And yes, Socrates did include Hobbes.[[GrumpyOldMan Hobbes]].

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* BerserkButton: Kant doesn't like facial hair. Imagine his shock when he realizes half of the people around him have beards.



* ExactWords: Socrates is only able to begin his debate with [[spoiler:The Arbiter]] after he pointed out that [[spoiler:he never said that morality ''didn't'' exist, just that it was impossible to find.]]

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* ExactWords: Socrates is only able to begin his debate with fight back against [[spoiler:The Arbiter]] after he pointed out that [[spoiler:he never said that morality ''didn't'' exist, exist as The Arbiter believed, just that it was impossible to find.]]



* {{Fangirl}}: Ariadne, for John Stuart Mill.

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* {{Fangirl}}: Ariadne, for John Stuart Mill. She really digs the ForHappiness aspects of his Act Utilitalianism.



** Socrates is named after famous thinker who proclaimed to don't know anything in order to test other peoples' theories and believes to see if they stand solid. Unlike his namesake, however, Socrates Jones really doesn't know two things about philosophy.

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** Socrates is named after the famous thinker who proclaimed to don't know anything in order to test other peoples' theories and believes to see if they stand solid. Unlike his namesake, however, Socrates Jones really doesn't know two things about philosophy.
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I don't think that counts.


* BerserkButton: Kant doesn't like facial hair. Imagine his shock when he realizes half of the people around him have beards.

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