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** Believe it or not, Yulia is openly bisexual. Which makes her homophobic comments all the more troubling.
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** Believe it or not, Yulia is openly bisexual. Which makes her homophobic comments [[DoubleStandard homophobic]] [[IHaveNoSon comments]] all the more troubling.
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* OldShame:
** What Lena and Yulia now see their "faux lesbian" days as.
** It's a mixed bag when it comes to what they think about their time as t.A.T.u. While they don't like to talk about it anymore, neither has any problem with performing t.A.T.u. songs in concerts and special events.
** What Lena and Yulia now see their "faux lesbian" days as.
** It's a mixed bag when it comes to what they think about their time as t.A.T.u. While they don't like to talk about it anymore, neither has any problem with performing t.A.T.u. songs in concerts and special events.
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* UnderminedByReality: A twofer due to both the pervy motivations of Ivan Shapovalov and Yulia's homophobic remarks.
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** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on [[{{Music/Rammstein}} Rammstein]]'s song "Moskau".
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** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on [[{{Music/Rammstein}} Rammstein]]'s Music/{{Rammstein}}'s song "Moskau"."Moskau".
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* UnderminedByReality: A twofer due to both the pervy motivations of Ivan Shapovalov and Yulia's homophobic remarks.
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* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made them international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like Music/OZone.
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* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made them international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like Music/OZone.
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* OldShame: What Lena and Yulia now see their "faux lesbian" days as, and to a lesser extent, their entire time as t.A.T.u.
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* OldShame: OldShame:
** What Lena and Yulia now see their "faux lesbian" daysas, and as.
** It's a mixed bag when it comes toa lesser extent, what they think about their entire time as t.A.T.u. While they don't like to talk about it anymore, neither has any problem with performing t.A.T.u. songs in concerts and special events.
** What Lena and Yulia now see their "faux lesbian" days
** It's a mixed bag when it comes to
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* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Believe it or not, Yulia is genuinely bisexual. Which makes her homophobic comments all the more troubling.
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* QueerCharacterQueerActor: QueerCharacterQueerActor:
** Believe it or not, Yulia isgenuinely openly bisexual. Which makes her homophobic comments all the more troubling.troubling.
** As for Lena, she supports LGBT rights openly, has openly stated gender was never a boundary for her to seek atraction, and has never denied any claims about her being Bisexual.
** Believe it or not, Yulia is
** As for Lena, she supports LGBT rights openly, has openly stated gender was never a boundary for her to seek atraction, and has never denied any claims about her being Bisexual.
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* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made them international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like O-Zone.
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* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made them international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like O-Zone.Music/OZone.
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** Lena finally [[SavedFromDevelopmentHell escaped]] in 2014 with the release of her album "This is Who I Am", after ditching her label for constantly pushing her album back, and then she stopped promoting it to focus on motherhood for a while. In 2016 she came back with a Spanish version called "Esta Soy Yo" (ironically removing the title track in favor of a solo Spanish version of Tatu's "Running Blind"), and stated that she was working on a Russian language version of the album.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. She got back to releasing singles around the same time, but it's still 8 years into her solo career with no definitively announced album in the pipeline, and her last song in English was in 2012.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. She got back to releasing singles around the same time, but it's still 8 years into her solo career with no definitively announced album in the pipeline, and her last song in English was in 2012.
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** Lena finally [[SavedFromDevelopmentHell escaped]] in 2014 with the release of her album "This ''This is Who I Am", Am'', after ditching her label for constantly pushing her album back, and then she stopped promoting it to focus on motherhood for a while. In 2016 she came back with a Spanish version called "Esta ''Esta Soy Yo" Yo'' (ironically removing the title track in favor of a solo Spanish version of Tatu's t.A.T.u.'s "Running Blind"), and stated that she was working on a Russian language version of the album.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. She got back to releasing singles around the same time, but it's still8 years almost a decade into her solo career with no definitively announced album in the pipeline, and her last song in English was in 2012.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. She got back to releasing singles around the same time, but it's still
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* OneHitWonder: If one considers the "only one US Top 40" criteria ("All the Things She Said", #20)... and even then, follow-up "Not Gonna Get Us" topped the Club charts (where the other only reached #5) and "All About Us" also charted there.
* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like O-Zone.
* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like O-Zone.
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* OneHitWonder: If one considers the "only one US Top 40" criteria ("All the Things She Said", #20)... and even then, follow-up "Not Gonna Get Us" topped the Club charts (where "All the other Things She Said" only reached #5) and "All About Us" also charted there.
* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Believe it or not, Yulia is genuinely bisexual. Which makes her homophobic comments all the more troubling.
* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made them international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like O-Zone.
* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Believe it or not, Yulia is genuinely bisexual. Which makes her homophobic comments all the more troubling.
* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made them international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like O-Zone.
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** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (the latter two names are another word for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).
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** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (the latter two names are another word for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is was casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).
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** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (two latter names are another words for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).
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** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (two (the latter two names are another words word for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).
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** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on [[{{Music/Rammstein}} Rammstein]]'s song ''Moskau''.
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** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on [[{{Music/Rammstein}} Rammstein]]'s song ''Moskau''."Moskau".
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** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on {{Rammstein}}'s song ''Moskau''.
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** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on {{Rammstein}}'s [[{{Music/Rammstein}} Rammstein]]'s song ''Moskau''.
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** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (two latter names are another words for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).
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** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (two latter names are another words for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).Total).
** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on {{Rammstein}}'s song ''Moskau''.
** They were originally in talks to provide vocals on {{Rammstein}}'s song ''Moskau''.
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* SerendipityWritesThePlot: Kind of the opposite, but Ivan was originally just going to release the original "Ya Soshla S Uma" to English markets, before he realised that the line "A oni govoryat - vinovata sama"[[note]]"But they say it's all my fault"[[/note]] sounded like a {{Mondegreen}} of [[NWordPrivileges a very bad word]] which would have caused them some trouble with radio censors. The English version, "All the Things She Said" made international megastars overnight, instead of probably being another OneHitWonder foreign pop group like O-Zone.
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** Lena finally [[SavedFromDevelopmentHell escaped]] in 2014 with the release of her album "This is Who I Am", after ditching her label for constantly pushing her album back, and then she stopped promoting it to focus on motherhood for a while.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. It's unclear if or when she's finally going to get back to singing.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. It's unclear if or when she's finally going to get back to singing.
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** Lena finally [[SavedFromDevelopmentHell escaped]] in 2014 with the release of her album "This is Who I Am", after ditching her label for constantly pushing her album back, and then she stopped promoting it to focus on motherhood for a while. \n In 2016 she came back with a Spanish version called "Esta Soy Yo" (ironically removing the title track in favor of a solo Spanish version of Tatu's "Running Blind"), and stated that she was working on a Russian language version of the album.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix.It's unclear if or when she's finally going to get She got back to singing. releasing singles around the same time, but it's still 8 years into her solo career with no definitively announced album in the pipeline, and her last song in English was in 2012.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix.
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** They were in the middle of planning a full reunion in 2014 when they fell out again for good. The one song they actually managed to record was released after the fallout under the name "Yulia and Lena" to really drive the point home that they weren't a group anymore.
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** They were in the middle of planning a full reunion in 2014 when they fell out again for good. The one song they actually managed to record was released after the fallout under the name "Yulia and Lena" to really drive the point home that they weren't a group anymore.anymore.
** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (two latter names are another words for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).
** The duo could have been named differently, with variants being Virus, ORZ and ORVI (two latter names are another words for flu in Russian). Then, Shapovalov heard that Maxim Fadeev, also a famous producer, is casting members for a band called Tatu, and decided to give his band that name (Fadeev ended up naming his band Total).
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* OneHitWonder: If one considers the "only one US Top 40" criteria ("All the Things She Said", #20)... and even then, follow-up "Not Gonna Get Us" topped the Club charts (where the other only reached #5) and "All About Us" also charted there.
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* DevelopmentHell: Their solo careers. Started in 2009 as the pair were drifting apart, both started releasing singles shortly after the official breakup in 2011.... and then nothing for years.
** Lena finally [[SavedFromDevelopmentHell escaped]] in 2014 with the release of her album "This is Who I Am", after ditching her label for constantly pushing her album back, and then she stopped promoting it to focus on motherhood for a while.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. It's unclear if or when she's finally going to get back to singing.
** Lena finally [[SavedFromDevelopmentHell escaped]] in 2014 with the release of her album "This is Who I Am", after ditching her label for constantly pushing her album back, and then she stopped promoting it to focus on motherhood for a while.
** Julia was apparently having even more vocal problems. She opened up in 2016 about having a thyroid tumor removed in 2012 that wrecked her voice and required 3 surgeries to finally fix. It's unclear if or when she's finally going to get back to singing.
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* DyeHard: Lena is more known as a redhead but is naturally strawberry blonde. Yulia is also naturally a blonde but dyes it black.
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* CreatorBacklash: Both Yulia and Lena hated the song "Poeziya" that they did with another music group Polyusha, but were forced to do it.
* DyeHard:Lena is more known as a redhead but is naturally strawberry blonde. Yulia is also naturally a blonde but dyes it black. Interestingly, she is a blonde in their first music video "All The Things She Said/Ya Soshla S Uma" but the night filter makes it look black.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: An anime movie, ''t.A.T.u. Paragate'', was in production, but was cancelled before its target release of Winter 2004 due to numerous circumstances, including a fallout between the singing duo and their manager Ivan Shapovalov.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: An anime movie, ''t.A.T.u. Paragate'', was in production, but was cancelled before its target release of Winter 2004 due to numerous circumstances, including a fallout between the singing duo and their manager Ivan Shapovalov.Shapovalov.
** They were in the middle of planning a full reunion in 2014 when they fell out again for good. The one song they actually managed to record was released after the fallout under the name "Yulia and Lena" to really drive the point home that they weren't a group anymore.
** They were in the middle of planning a full reunion in 2014 when they fell out again for good. The one song they actually managed to record was released after the fallout under the name "Yulia and Lena" to really drive the point home that they weren't a group anymore.
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* DyeHard: Lena is more known as a redhead but is naturally strawberry blonde. Yulia is also naturally a blonde but dyes it black.black.
* OldShame: What Lena and Yulia now see their "faux lesbian" days as, and to a lesser extent, their entire time as t.A.T.u.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: An anime movie, ''t.A.T.u. Paragate'', was in production, but was cancelled before its target release of Winter 2004 due to numerous circumstances, including a fallout between the singing duo and their manager Ivan Shapovalov.
* OldShame: What Lena and Yulia now see their "faux lesbian" days as, and to a lesser extent, their entire time as t.A.T.u.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: An anime movie, ''t.A.T.u. Paragate'', was in production, but was cancelled before its target release of Winter 2004 due to numerous circumstances, including a fallout between the singing duo and their manager Ivan Shapovalov.
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