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** If one thinks about it, Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction Music/NewOrder went had Ian not died. It was stated Ian became a fan of projects like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which ''would have'' resulted in Joy Division going more synthpop and probably more emphasis on dance music too. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Movement'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard/Peter on vocals.

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** If one thinks about it, Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction Music/NewOrder went had Ian not died. It was stated Ian became a fan of projects artists like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which ''would have'' resulted in Joy Division going more synthpop and probably more emphasis on dance music too. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Movement'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard/Peter on vocals.
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* FanNickname: Japanese fans nickname Bernard as Bernie (バーニー) & Peter as Hooky (フッキー).

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* FanNickname: Japanese fans nickname Bernard as Bernie "Bernie" (バーニー) & Peter as Hooky "Hooky" (フッキー).
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* FanNickname: Japanese fans nickname Bernard as Bernie (バーニー) & Peter as Hooky (フッキー).

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The band was due to start their first [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates American]] tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself.

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The band was due to start their first [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates American]] tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself.
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* TheProductionCurse: A number of people affiliated with the band have died at at early age:

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* TheProductionCurse: A number of people affiliated with the band have died at at an early age:
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* TheProductionCurse: A number of people affiliated with the band have died at at early age:
** Lead singer Ian Curtis hanged himself in 1980 at 23.
** Producer Martin Hannett died in 1991 at the age of 42 after years of drug abuse.
** Manager Rob Gretton died in 1999 of a heart attack at 46.
** Creator/FactoryRecords founder Tony Wilson died of renal cancer in 2007 at 57.
** Ian Curtis' lover and founder of Factory Benelux, Annik Honoré, died in 2014 of cancer at 56.
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* BigNameFan: Music/GeorgeMichael, of all people, was a fan of the band, and ''Music/Closer'' in particular, praising the album in interviews.

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* BigNameFan: Music/GeorgeMichael, of all people, was a fan of the band, and ''Music/Closer'' ''Music/{{Closer}}'' in particular, praising the album in interviews.
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* BigNameFan: Music/GeorgeMichael, of all people, was a fan of the band, and ''Music/Closer'' in particular, praising the album in interviews.
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* ProductionPosse: The band's Factory releases were produced by Martin Hannett and the covert art designed by Peter Saville.
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* OneOfUs:
** Bernard Sumner is an electronics hobbyist, a hobby he picked up to occupy his time suffering from insomnia. He built the band's first synthesizer from a kit.
** Stephen Morris is a Series/DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now that he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.
** Ian Curtis was an [[{{Bookworm}} avid reader]], especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and ''J. G. Ballard,'' which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.
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** The fact that "Ceremony" only exists in a variety of poorly-mixed live and rehearsal recordings (wherein Ian's vocals are so muted you can hardly make them out) has raised quite a bit of speculation about how it might've turned out had Ian lived long enough to see it completed.

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** The fact that "Ceremony" only exists in a variety of poorly-mixed live and rehearsal recordings (wherein Ian's vocals are so muted you can hardly make them out) has raised quite a bit of speculation about how it might've turned out had Ian lived long enough to see it completed. The March 1981 recording by Music/NewOrder is considered the closest official approximation to what Joy Division's "Ceremony" might've sounded like in a finished form, but even then it's not exact given Ian's obvious absence.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but ''Tony Wilson'' decided to keep Creator/PeterSaville's cover which depicted a man in a tomb.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but ''Tony Wilson'' decided to keep Creator/PeterSaville's cover which depicted a man the front of the Appiani Family tomb in Italy (itself a tomb.sculpture of Christ being laid to rest).
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* UrbanLegendOfZelda: Because Ian never wrote down the lyrics to "Ceremony" and because his vocals are near-inaudible on all surviving recordings of it, Bernard had to use a graphic equalizer to approximate the lyrics for New Order's re-recordings. This has fueled quite a bit of speculation over the years regarding how Ian had originally envisioned the song's lyrics.


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** The fact that "Ceremony" only exists in a variety of poorly-mixed live and rehearsal recordings (wherein Ian's vocals are so muted you can hardly make them out) has raised quite a bit of speculation about how it might've turned out had Ian lived long enough to see it completed.
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** Bernard Sumner is an electronics hobbyist, a hobby he picked up to occupy his time suffering from insomnia. He built the band's first synthesizer.

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** Bernard Sumner is an electronics hobbyist, a hobby he picked up to occupy his time suffering from insomnia. He built the band's first synthesizer.synthesizer from a kit.
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** If one thinks about it, Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction New Order went had Ian not died. It was stated Ian became a fan of projects like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which ''would have'' resulted in Joy Division going more synthpop and probably more emphasis on dance music too. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Movement'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard/Peter on vocals.

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** If one thinks about it, Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction New Order Music/NewOrder went had Ian not died. It was stated Ian became a fan of projects like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which ''would have'' resulted in Joy Division going more synthpop and probably more emphasis on dance music too. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Movement'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard/Peter on vocals.
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** If one thinks about it, Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction New Order went had Ian not died. It was stated Ian became a fan of projects like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which ''would have'' resulted in Joy Division going more synthpop and probably more emphasis on dance music too. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Movement'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard/Peter on vocals.
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* FollowTheLeader: The band's 1988 ''Substance'' compilation collects the band's non-album singles and [=EPs=], just as the Music/NewOrder compilation of the same name released a year earlier did.
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** Ian Curtis was an [[{{Bookworm}} avid reader]], especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and Creator/JGBallard, which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.

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** Ian Curtis was an [[{{Bookworm}} avid reader]], especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and Creator/JGBallard, ''J. G. Ballard,'' which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The band was due to start their first [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates American]] tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The band was due to start their first [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates American]] tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself.himself.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but Creator/TonyWilson decided to keep Creator/PeterSaville's cover which depicted a man in a tomb.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but Creator/TonyWilson ''Tony Wilson'' decided to keep Creator/PeterSaville's cover which depicted a man in a tomb.
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** Ian Curtis was an avid reader, especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and Creator/JGBallard, which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.

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** Ian Curtis was an [[{{Bookworm}} avid reader, reader]], especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and Creator/JGBallard, which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.
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* [[AuthorExistenceFailure Artist Existence Failure]]: Which caused the band to cease, leading to the foundation of Music/NewOrder.

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* [[AuthorExistenceFailure Artist Existence Failure]]: AuthorExistenceFailure: Which caused the band to cease, leading to the foundation of Music/NewOrder.



* ShortLivedBigImpact: They only released two albums owing to the Artist Existence Failure of their lead singer (who died at 23,) but are the first thing almost everyone thinks of when they hear the term PostPunk, in addition to helping lay the groundwork for what would become GothRock. If Music/TheDoors did not influence them, usually Joy Division did.

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* ShortLivedBigImpact: They only released two albums owing to the Artist Existence Failure of their lead singer (who died at 23,) 23), but are the first thing almost everyone thinks of when they hear the term PostPunk, in addition to helping lay the groundwork for what would become GothRock. If Music/TheDoors did not influence them, usually Joy Division did.
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* ColbertBump: Not strictly accurate (they were gone before anyone noticed) but just about the only high quality recordings of live performances are from guest spots on TV shows.
* CreatorBreakdown: ''Closer'' showed it in full, but the first signs were already present in ''Music/UnknownPleasures''.
* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but Tony Wilson decided to keep Peter Saville's cover which depicted a man in a tomb.
* OneOfUs:

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* ColbertBump: Not strictly accurate (they were gone before anyone noticed) but just about the only high quality recordings of live performances are from guest spots on TV shows.
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* CreatorBreakdown: ''Closer'' ''Music/{{Closer}}'' showed it in full, but the first signs were already present in ''Music/UnknownPleasures''.
* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but Tony Wilson Creator/TonyWilson decided to keep Peter Saville's Creator/PeterSaville's cover which depicted a man in a tomb.
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** Ian Curtis was an avid reader, especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and J.G. Ballard, which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.
* ShortLivedBigImpact: They only released two albums owing to the Artist Existence Failure of their lead singer (who died at 23), but are the first thing almost everyone thinks of when they hear the term PostPunk, in addition to helping lay the groundwork for what would become GothRock. If Music/TheDoors did not influence them, usually Joy Division did.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The band was due to start their first American tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself.

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** Ian Curtis was an avid reader, especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and J.G. Ballard, Creator/JGBallard, which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.
* ShortLivedBigImpact: They only released two albums owing to the Artist Existence Failure of their lead singer (who died at 23), 23,) but are the first thing almost everyone thinks of when they hear the term PostPunk, in addition to helping lay the groundwork for what would become GothRock. If Music/TheDoors did not influence them, usually Joy Division did.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The band was due to start their first American [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates American]] tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself.
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** Ian Curtis was an avid reader, especially authors like Creator/FranzKafka and J.G. Ballard, which explains a thing or two about his lyrics.
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* [[AuthorExistenceFailure Artist Existence Failure]]: Which caused the band to cease, leading to the foundation of Music/NewOrder.
* ColbertBump: Not strictly accurate (they were gone before anyone noticed) but just about the only high quality recordings of live performances are from guest spots on TV shows.
* CreatorBreakdown: ''Closer'' showed it in full, but the first signs were already present in ''Music/UnknownPleasures''.
* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but Tony Wilson decided to keep Peter Saville's cover which depicted a man in a tomb.



** Stephen Morris is a Series/DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now that he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.

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** Stephen Morris is a Series/DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now that he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.too.
* ShortLivedBigImpact: They only released two albums owing to the Artist Existence Failure of their lead singer (who died at 23), but are the first thing almost everyone thinks of when they hear the term PostPunk, in addition to helping lay the groundwork for what would become GothRock. If Music/TheDoors did not influence them, usually Joy Division did.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The band was due to start their first American tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself.
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** Stephen Morris is a DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now that he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.

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** Stephen Morris is a DoctorWho Series/DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now that he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.

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* OneOfUs: Bernard Sumner is an electronics hobbyist, a hobby he picked up to occupy his time suffering from insomnia. He built the band's first synthesizer.

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Bernard Sumner is an electronics hobbyist, a hobby he picked up to occupy his time suffering from insomnia. He built the band's first synthesizer.
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** Stephen Morris is a DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now tgat he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.

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** Stephen Morris is a DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now tgat that he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.
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* OneOfUs: Bernard Sumner is an electronics hobbyist, a hobby he picked up to occupy his time suffering from insomnia. He built the band's first synthesizer.

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* OneOfUs: Bernard Sumner is an electronics hobbyist, a hobby he picked up to occupy his time suffering from insomnia. He built the band's first synthesizer.synthesizer.
** Stephen Morris is a DoctorWho fan, and an avid collector of plastic models of military vehicles. The thing is, now tgat he's made it to the big times, he collects ''actual tanks'' too.
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