History Trivia / JoyDivision

* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but Tony Wilson decided to keep Creator/PeterSaville's cover which depicted the front of the Appiani Family tomb in UsefulNotes/{{Italy}} (itself a {{sculpture|s}} of Christ being laid to rest).

** Curtis himself professed a wish to someday own a bookstore. Given everything mentioned above, it's likely that even if he hadn't committed suicide, he'd still retire from the band relatively early as a result of his health issues (assuming they didn't try some sort of Music/BrianWilson-style arrangement where Curtis still wrote and recorded with them in the studio; the band ''was'' already known to bring substitute vocalists on-stage or StepUpToTheMicrophone whenever necessary), focusing on the bookstore instead. Thus, New Order would've still come about, but under much less emotionally strenuous circumstances.

** The band was due to start their first [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates American]] tour the day after Ian Curtis killed himself. The exact result of Ian living to see the tour is still very much up in the air, considering that a successful run likely would've been the band's American breakthrough, but at the same time Ian's epilepsy was rapidly worsening to the point where his bandmates would sometimes have to bring in a substitute vocalist on-stage, if not have one of themselves StepUpToTheMicrophone.

** Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction Music/NewOrder went had Ian not died. Ian became a fan of artists like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which would have more than likely resulted in Joy Division going in a more SynthPop-based direction and probably emphasizing more dance elements, though likely keeping their Gothic core to a more overt degree than the sardonically-inclined New Order. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Music/{{Movement}}'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard and Peter on vocals.

* ReferencedBy: Music/TalkingHeads composed their song "The Overload" (from ''Music/RemainInLight'') as a pastiche of Joy Division, albeit [[HalfRememberedHomage based entirely on press descriptions]] due to the fact that none of the band members had actually heard Joy Division's music at the time. The end result was actually fairly similar to Joy Division's slower material, such as "I Remember Nothing" or the "In a Lonely Place" demo.

** Bernard Sumner believes that even if Ian hadn't killed himself, he would have eventually been unable to tour with the band due to his epilepsy.

** Despite their close association with Factory, Joy Division was briefly associated with other labels. In 1978, they signed with Creator/RCARecords, but the deal didn't work out and the material the band recorded there wasn't released until 1994 on the semi-official compilation ''Warsaw'' (some of it had already been included on the ''An Ideal for Living'' EP, and other songs were re-recorded on Factory, but the full sessions didn't emerge until ''Warsaw''). The group also came close to signing with Creator/RadarRecords (via Genetic, a sublabel owned by producer Martin Rushent); they recorded a few demos before deciding to stay with Factory.
** Radar's parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, was also trying to sign Music/JoyDivision directly before Curtis' death. The band's back catalog would eventually end up on Warner Bros, first in the U.S. on the heels of Music/NewOrder's deal with the Warner-owned Qwest, and later via London Records in the U.K. and Europe following Factory's demise.

* ReferencedByL Music/TalkingHeads composed their song "The Overload" (from ''Music/RemainInLight'') as a pastiche of Joy Division, albeit [[HalfRememberedHomage based entirely on press descriptions]] due to the fact that none of the band members had actually heard Joy Division's music at the time. The end result was actually fairly similar to Joy Division's slower material, such as "I Remember Nothing" or the "In a Lonely Place" demo.
* ShortLivedBigImpact: They only released two albums owing to the Artist Existence Failure of their lead singer (who died at 23), but are the first thing almost everyone thinks of when they hear the term PostPunk, in addition to helping lay the groundwork for what would become GothRock. If Music/TheDoors did not influence them, usually Joy Division did.

** Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction Music/NewOrder went had Ian not died. Ian became a fan of artists like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which would have likely resulted in Joy Division going in a more SynthPop-based direction and probably emphasizing more dance elements, though likely keeping their Gothic core to a more overt degree than the sardonically-inclined New Order. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Music/{{Movement}}'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard and Peter on vocals.

* ExecutiveMeddling: To the opposite extreme. Curtis committed suicide only weeks before ''Closer'' was due for release, but Tony Wilson decided to keep Creator/PeterSaville's cover which depicted the front of the Appiani Family tomb in UsefulNotes/{{Italy}} (itself a sculpture of Christ being laid to rest).

** Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction Music/NewOrder went had Ian not died. Ian became a fan of artists like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which would have likely resulted in Joy Division going more in a SynthPop-based direction and probably emphasizing more dance elements, though likely keeping their Gothic core to a more overt degree than the sardonically-inclined New Order. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Music/{{Movement}}'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard and Peter on vocals.

** Joy Division ''could'' have gone in the direction Music/NewOrder went had Ian not died. Ian became a fan of artists like Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and introduced them to the other members, which ''would have'' resulted in Joy Division going more in a SynthPop-based direction and probably emphasizing dance elements more too, though likely keeping their Gothic core to a more overt degree than the sardonically-inclined New Order. This also fits considering how New Order's debut ''Music/{{Movement}}'' sounds like Joy Division with Bernard and Peter on vocals.

* TheProductionCurse: A number of people affiliated with the band have died at an early age, making Joy Division the possible musical equivalent of the ''[[Film/Poltergeist1982 Poltergeist]'' films or ''Series/BabylonFive'':

* TheProductionCurse: A number of people affiliated with the band have died at an early age:

* FanNickname: Japanese fans nickname Bernard as "Bernie" (バーニー) & Peter as "Hooky" (フッキー). The latter is fairly popular in the anglosphere as well, though there Bernard is often nicknamed "Barney."

* AuthorExistenceFailure: Ian Curtis's death in 1980 caused the band to cease, leading to the foundation of Music/NewOrder.