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Reverting edits by a ban evader and moving the Old Shame point (in its pre-edit form) to Creator Backlash, as the former trope is now in-universe examples only.
* CreatorBacklash: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett did admit that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as more offensive than originally intended. When attending screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isn't putting this out on DVD anytime soon or uploading it on streaming services, so the only way to watch it is through bootleg recordings or the Internet.
* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: Veteran African-American animator and cartoonist Floyd Norman stated/wrote while answering some fans' questions in 2019: "Considered 'racist' today, similarly to ''Tin Pan Alley Cats'', ''Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs'' is an animation masterpiece, and meant no offense to anyone. Clampett was given a standing ovation by a predominantly Black audience in the city of Oakland".
* OldShame: Clampett was always considered by other artists (including all those who directly worked with him), colleagues and historians as much ahead of its time socially speaking, but while he never disowned it, Bob Clampett did admit that changing attitudes on race in America made the short come off as more offensive than originally intended. When attending screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology or a context explanation.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The title was supposed to be "So White and de Sebben Dwarfs" but it was changed for fear that audiences who saw it on a marquee would assume it was the classic fairy tale.
* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: Veteran African-American animator and cartoonist Floyd Norman stated/wrote while answering some fans' questions in 2019: "Considered 'racist' today, similarly to ''Tin Pan Alley Cats'', ''Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs'' is an animation masterpiece, and meant no offense to anyone. Clampett was given a standing ovation by a predominantly Black audience in the city of Oakland".
* OldShame: Clampett was always considered by other artists (including all those who directly worked with him), colleagues and historians as much ahead of its time socially speaking, but while he never disowned it, Bob Clampett did admit that changing attitudes on race in America made the short come off as more offensive than originally intended. When attending screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology or a context explanation.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The title was supposed to be "So White and de Sebben Dwarfs" but it was changed for fear that audiences who saw it on a marquee would assume it was the classic fairy tale.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isn't putting this out on DVD anytime soon or uploading it on streaming services, so the only way to watch it is through bootleg recordings or the Internet.
* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: Veteran African-American animator and cartoonist Floyd Norman stated/wrote while answering some fans' questions in 2019: "Considered 'racist' today, similarly to ''Tin Pan Alley Cats'', ''Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs'' is an animation masterpiece, and meant no offense to anyone. Clampett was given a standing ovation by a predominantly Black audience in the city of Oakland".
* OldShame: Clampett was always considered by other artists (including all those who directly worked with him), colleagues and historians as much ahead of its time socially speaking, but while he never disowned it, Bob Clampett did admit that changing attitudes on race in America made the short come off as more offensive than originally intended. When attending screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology or a context explanation.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The title was supposed to be "So White and de Sebben Dwarfs" but it was changed for fear that audiences who saw it on a marquee would assume it was the classic fairytale.tale.
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* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: Veteran African-American animator and cartoonist Floyd Norman stated/wrote while answering some fans' questions in 2019: "Considered 'racist' today, similarly to ''Tin Pan Alley Cats'', ''Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs'' is an animation masterpiece, and meant no offense to anyone. Clampett was given a standing ovation by a predominantly Black audience in the city of Oakland".
* OldShame: Clampett was always considered by other artists (including all those who directly worked with him), colleagues and historians as much ahead of its time socially speaking, but while he never disowned it, Bob Clampett did admit that changing attitudes on race in America made the short come off as more offensive than originally intended. When attending screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology or a context explanation.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The title was supposed to be "So White and de Sebben Dwarfs" but it was changed for fear that audiences who saw it on a marquee would assume it was the classic fairy
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* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett did admit that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as more offensive than originally intended. When attending screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology.
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* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: Veteran African-American animator and cartoonist Floyd Norman stated/wrote while answering some fans' questions in 2019: "Considered 'racist' today, similarly to ''Tin Pan Alley Cats'', ''Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs'' is an animation masterpiece, and meant no offense to anyone. Clampett was given a standing ovation by a predominantly Black audience in the city of Oakland".
* OldShame:While Clampett was always considered by other artists (including all those who directly worked with him), colleagues and historians as much ahead of its time socially speaking, but while he never disowned it, Bob Clampett did admit that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, America made the short come off as more offensive than originally intended. When attending screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology.apology or a context explanation.
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Natter and speculation.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isn't putting this out on DVD anytime soon (they've tried to release this and the other Censored 11 shorts, but backed out due to fear of backlash and DVD sales falling) or uploading it on HBO Max (and, if they decide to, it will probably come with a ContentWarning about the outdated content), streaming services, so the only way to watch it is through bootleg recordings.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isn't putting this out on DVD anytime soon (they've tried to release this and the other Censored 11 shorts, but backed out due to fear of backlash and DVD sales falling), so the only way to watch it is through bootleg recordings.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isn't putting this out on DVD anytime soon (they've tried to release this and the other Censored 11 shorts, but backed out due to fear of backlash and DVD sales falling), falling) or uploading it on HBO Max (and, if they decide to, it will probably come with a ContentWarning about the outdated content), so the only way to watch it is through bootleg recordings.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isnt putting this out on DVD anytime soon, so the only way to watch it is through bootleg recordings.
* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett admitted that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as far more offensive than it was originally intended and, when attending screening of the short, would often preface them with an apology.
* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett admitted that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as far more offensive than it was originally intended and, when attending screening of the short, would often preface them with an apology.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isnt isn't putting this out on DVD anytime soon, soon (they've tried to release this and the other Censored 11 shorts, but backed out due to fear of backlash and DVD sales falling), so the only way to watch it is through bootleg recordings.
* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampettadmitted did admit that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as far more offensive than it was originally intended and, when intended. When attending screening screenings of the short, Clampett would often preface them with an apology.
* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but producer Leon Schlesinger, a very notorious cheapskate, vetoed the idea claiming it to be too expensive. Outside of the dancing in ''WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc'', this was also the only ''Looney Tunes'' short where the animators did any research. In this case, they went to jazz clubs to study the music and lingo.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite1933'', but producer Leon Schlesinger, a very notorious cheapskate, vetoed the idea claiming it to be too expensive. Outside of the dancing in ''WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc'', this was also the only ''Looney Tunes'' short where the animators did any research. In this case, they went to jazz clubs to study the music and lingo.
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* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett admitted that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as far more offensive than it was originally intended and would sometimes apologize in advance and, when attending screening of the short, would often preface them with an apology.
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* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett admitted that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as far more offensive than it was originally intended and would sometimes apologize in advance and, when attending screening of the short, would often preface them with an apology.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but producer Leon Schlesinger, a very notorious cheapskate, vetoed the idea claiming it to be too expensive.
** Outside of the dancing in ''WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc'', this was also the only time the animators did any research. In this case, they went to jazz clubs to study the music and lingo.
** Outside of the dancing in ''WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc'', this was also the only time the animators did any research. In this case, they went to jazz clubs to study the music and lingo.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but producer Leon Schlesinger, a very notorious cheapskate, vetoed the idea claiming it to be too expensive.
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* OldShame: While he never disowned it, Bob Clampett admitted that changing attitudes on race in America, including his own, made the short come off as far more offensive than it was originally intended and would sometimes apologize in advance and, when attending screening of the short, would often preface them with an apology.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Warner Bros. isnt putting this out on DVD anytime soon, so the only way ti watch it is through bootleg recordings.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but the idea was vetoed.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but producer Leon Schlesinger, a very notorious cheapskate, vetoed the idea was vetoed.claiming it to be too expensive.
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* HeyItsThatVoice: So White was voiced by Dorothy Dandridge's sister Vivian, while the Mammy caricature and the wicked queen were voiced by Dorothy's mother Ruby.
** This also counts as a bonus as the RealLifeRelative for So White (Vivian) and her WickedStepmother Queen (Ruby).
** This also counts as a bonus as the RealLifeRelative for So White (Vivian) and her WickedStepmother Queen (Ruby).
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** This also counts as a bonus as the RealLifeRelative for So White (Vivian) and her WickedStepmother Queen (Ruby).
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** This also counts as a bonus as the RealLifeRelative for So White (Vivian) and her WickedStepmother Queen (Ruby).(Ruby).
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The title was supposed to be "So White and de Sebben Dwarfs" but it was changed for fear that audiences who saw it on a marquee would assume it was the classic fairy tale.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The title was supposed to be "So White and de Sebben Dwarfs" but it was changed for fear that audiences who saw it on a marquee would assume it was the classic fairy tale.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but the idea was vetoed.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but the idea was vetoed. vetoed.
** Outside of the dancing in ''WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc'', this was also the only time the animators did any research. In this case, they went to jazz clubs to study the music and lingo.
** Outside of the dancing in ''WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc'', this was also the only time the animators did any research. In this case, they went to jazz clubs to study the music and lingo.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra, orchestra led by Eddie Beals, in much the same way that Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer hired Music/CabCalloway to score the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoons ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher'' and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhite'', but this the idea was vetoed.
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that piece of info is gossip that Clampett himself refuted; \"The Art of Warner Bros.\" book had Clampett claim it was always planned as a one-reel cartoon.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra, but this was vetoed. Also why he originally wanted the film to be a two-reeler.
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* HeyItsThatVoice: So White was voiced by Dorothy Dandridge's sister Vivian, while the Mammy caricature and the wicked queen were voiced by Dorothy's mother Ruby.Ruby.
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** This also counts as a bonus as the RealLifeRelative for So White (Vivian) and her WickedStepmother Queen (Ruby).
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra, but this was vetoed. Also why he originally wanted the film to be a two-reeler.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra, but this was vetoed. Also why he originally wanted the film to be a two-reeler.two-reeler.
* HeyItsThatVoice: So White was voiced by Dorothy Dandridge's sister Vivian, while the Mammy caricature and the wicked queen were voiced by Dorothy's mother Ruby.
* HeyItsThatVoice: So White was voiced by Dorothy Dandridge's sister Vivian, while the Mammy caricature and the wicked queen were voiced by Dorothy's mother Ruby.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Part of why Clampett made the cartoon was so that he could use it to help his black friends get a foot in the film industry. He even wanted to replace Carl Stalling's standard orchestra for a full jazz orchestra, but this was vetoed. Also why he originally wanted the film to be a two-reeler.
