History TheScrappy / GameOfThrones

[[ReplacementScrappy Talisa Maegyr]] wasn't too well-received, partly because of [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks the changes]] made to her character and role in Robb's storyline from the books. Talisa's book counterpart Jeyne Westerling is at most a side character, the daughter of an ambitious minor noble house in the Westerlands, who Robb is attracted to after she treats his wounds. [[SexForSolace He sleeps with her in a moment of grief]] after learning that his younger brothers were allegedly killed by Theon, then marries her to [[HonorableMarriageProposal preserve her honor]], thus leading to the Red Wedding. In the show however, Talisa is a Volantene noblewoman who came to Westeros to be a nurse, meets Robb by pure chance and has a prominently-featured romance with him, which some viewers found to be a pretty pointless change from the books and rather trite and implausible. Others found Talisa annoying and self-righteous because she criticizes Robb for 'his war' getting people maimed and killed, even though Robb is only fighting so as to free the North, the Riverlands and his sisters from the oppression of the Lannisters and get justice for his wrongly executed father. Talisa also explains that she left her life of luxury in Volantis because she opposes slavery, but as detailed under UnintentionallyUnsypathetic on the [[YMMV/GameOfThrones main YMMV page,]] viewers have argued she could've actually used her high-ranking position to help improve things for the slaves; her seemingly looking down on other noblewomen for wanting to participate in social events like dances can also come off as RealWomenDontWearDresses (and isn't the only example of this in the show, none of which is present in the books). Finally, the show presents Robb breaking his marriage vows to House Frey - and thus dooming himself, his mother and most of his men - not out of a [[HonorBeforeReason misguided sense of honor]], but because he [[MarryForLove falls in love with Talisa]], thus making his motives for oathbreaking quite [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] and even more [[LoveMakesYouDumb idiotic]] than they were in the books, and making Talisa come off as self-centered and idiotic too - in some viewers' eyes - for agreeing to the marriage. That said, even people who disliked her character thought she in no way deserved to be [[spoiler: [[AlasPoorScrappy stabbed to death at the Red Wedding]], while ''pregnant'' no less]]; there are also some viewers who genuinely liked her and Robb's romance.

* Ellaria from Season 5 onwards has not been well-received due to her plan to [[spoiler: execute princess Myrcella to avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand". The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the equally-depised Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation.

* The Waif, who [[HateAtFirstSight inexplicably hates]] fan-favourite Arya from the moment she arrives at the House of Black and White, and just escalates from there in her nastiness. Fans are also confused about how her aggressive personality is completely at odds with how Faceless Men are supposed to operate, which goes completely unacknowledged by anyone in the show (even though Arya is [[DoubleStandard critized and even punished for the same thing]]). None of this is present in the books, where she is more a side character than anything and acts as a proper mentor to Arya instead of TheRival.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for Pilou Asbaek's charismatic portrayal, for showing some actual combat prowess and putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place, but this fell apart by Season 8, where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series' end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished and the fact he regularly exploits TravellingAtTheSpeedOfPlot and OffscreenTeleportation. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate. Fans of the books dislike him for being a watered-down version of the SorcerousOverlord that he is in Martin's pages, whereas non-readers dislike him for being a one-dimensional plot device. And the most common criticism for Show!Euron is that his over-the-top, wacky personality doesn't really fit in a dark fantasy setting and often leads him to be compared to a [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Jack Sparrow]] impersonator.[[note]]For instance, ''Webvideo/HonestTrailers'' credits him as "Hack Sparrow".[[/note]]

** Subsequently he [[spoiler:is thrown in the Castle Black dungeon following the Wildling attack and executed with the rest of the mutineers by Jon Snow himself. Jon treats [[spoiler: executing Olly]] as a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, stating that he's younger than Bran (which again is no longer true, visually at least, as a result of the actors aging), but most viewers didn't feel much sympathy.

* Ellaria from Season 5 onwards has not been well-received due to her plan to [[spoiler: execute princess Myrcella to avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand".
** The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation.
** As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the plain idiocy of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing, and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to the Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are.
** [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]], [[spoiler: now that she and the Sand Snakes are murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him."]] IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this.
** By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma.
* Olly was intended to provide a gray perspective to the Night's Watch and Wildlings faceoff and started off as a TagalongKid to the Night's Watch, but his role in the denouement of "Watchers on the Wall" was staged in a very {{narm}}-y way.
** In season 5, he becomes the embodiment of the Watch losing faith in Jon Snow, and the foreshadowing of [[spoiler: his betrayal of Jon Snow]] was heavyhanded to the point of being jarring. The aim was that his betrayal be an EtTuBrute moment, but his shameless gloating in a short scene after the incident ruined that.
** He [[spoiler:is thrown in the Castle Black dungeon following the Wildling attack, and executed with the rest of the mutineers by Jon Snow himself, though even posthumously he has this since Jon treats executing Olly]] as a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, stating that he's younger than Bran (which again is no longer true, visually at least, as a result of the actors aging).
* The Waif, who inexplicably hates Arya from the moment she arrives at the House of Black and White, and just builds from there. Fans are also confused about how her aggressive personality is completely at odds with how Faceless Men are supposed to operate, which goes completely unacknowledged by anyone in the show. None of this is present in the books, where she is more a side character than anything.
* Lord Robett Glover. His first scene has him insulting the memory of King Robb and calling Talisa a foreign whore, and harshly refusing to help Jon and Sansa in their darkest hour. He later expresses regret and looks set to become the atoner. He becomes a sour supporter instead in season 7, criticizing every single one of Jon’s decisions, and ends up abandoning the Starks again in the 8th, after they formed an alliance with Daenerys out of necessity, due to the impending war with the Night King. And from what was said in Episode 2, his stupidity might have gotten himself and 500 men killed. Like the Waif, none of this is in the books, where he's also a minor character, and a stolid officer in the Northern army, who is in fact working to restore the Starks with other Northern nobles.
* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for Pilou Asbaek's charismatic portrayal and for showing some actual combat prowess and putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate. Fans of the books dislike him for being a watered down version of the SorcerousOverlord that he is in Martin's pages, whereas non-readers dislike him for being a one-dimensional plot device. And the most common criticism for Show!Euron is his over-the-top, wacky personality that doesn't really fit in a dark fantasy setting, and often leads him to be compared to a [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Jack Sparrow]] impersonator.[[note]]For instance, ''Webvideo/HonestTrailers'' credits him as "Hack Sparrow".[[/note]]

* Fans started to turn on Bran Stark around Season 6 and the dislike for him was cemented following the end of Season 8. Many viewers find him to be one of the most dull and underdeveloped characters who contributes little to the wider story (he's apparently so irrelevant he was PutOnABus for all of Season 5). Viewers were very irritated in Season 6 when his reckless actions cause the Night King to find the Three-Eyed Raven's cave, resulting in [[spoiler: the deaths of Summer, Hodor, the 3ER and the last of the Children of the Forest, who all sacrifice themselves for Bran]]. Bran then proceeds to do very little of significance with his powers besides [[spoiler: confirming that Littlefinger is a traitor and Jon is actually the heir to the throne]]. His DeathOfPersonality results in him becoming a monotone creep who spends most of his time sitting around spouting exposition when needed or making people uncomfortable. He expresses little [[NoSympathy remorse]] or [[UngratefulBastard gratitude]] for the sacrifices Meera and many others made for him and then proceeds to not really help anyone anyway. The moment that really made fans turn on Bran was in the finale, [[spoiler: as Bran is unanimously elected King of Westeros ''sans'' the North despite having done literally ''nothing'' to earn it and lacking any experience and qualities for leadership]]. The show then proclaims that Bran has "the most interesting story" out of all the characters, which most fans vehemently disagreed with.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for Pilou Asbaek's charismatic portrayal and for showing some actual combat prowess and putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate. Fans of the books dislike him for being a watered down version of the SorcerousOverlord that he is in Martin's pages, whereas non-readers dislike him for being a one-dimensional plot device. And the most common criticism for Show!Euron is his over-the-top, wacky personality that doesn't really fit in a dark fantasy setting, and often leads him to be compared to a [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Jack Sparrow]] impersonator.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for showing some actual combat prowess and for putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate. Fans of the books dislike him for being a watered down version of the SorcerousOverlord that he is in Martin's pages, whereas non-readers dislike him for being a one-dimensional plot device. And the most common criticism for Show!Euron is his over-the-top, wacky personality that doesn't really fit in a dark fantasy setting, and often leads him to be compared to a [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Jack Sparrow]] impersonator.

* Lord Robett Glover. His first scene has him insulting the memory of King Robb and calling Talisa a foreign whore, and harshly refusing to help Jon and Sansa in their darkest hour. He later expresses regret and looks set to become the atoner. He becomes a sour supporter instead in season 7, criticizing every single one of Jon’s decisions, and ends up abandoning the Starks again in the 8th, after they formed an alliance with Daenerys out of necessity, due to the impending war with the Night King. And from what was said in Episode 2, his stupidity might have gotten himself and 500 men killed. Like the Waif, none of this is in the books, where he's also a minor character, and a stolid officer in the Northern army.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for showing some actual combat prowess and for putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate. Fans of the books dislike him for being a watered down version of the SorcerousOverlord that he is in Martin's pages, whereas non-readers dislike him for being a one-dimensional plot device. And the most common criticism for Show!Euron is his over-the-top, wacky personality that doesn't really fit in a dark fantasy setting.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for showing some actual combat prowess and for putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for showing some actual combat prowess but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron is reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for showing some actual combat prowess but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron is reduced into Cersei's overpowered cronie. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for showing some actual combat prowess but this fell apart eventually by Season 8 where Euron is reduced into Cersei's DeusExMachina. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a Main/MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

** Added to it is disdain for his actor who kept intentionally ruining [[spoiler: his death scene]] until they let him write a line for it, which he delivered [[BreakingTheFourthWall while staring directly into the camera]].

* Euron Greyjoy. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] have pointed out that Euron borders on being a Main/MartyStu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" Other writers have pointed out that Euron borders on being a Main/MarySue, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy. By the series end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season - for "''merely existing.''" Other writers have pointed out that Euron's presence accomplishes nothing than to give Cersei's faction in Westeros a Main/VillainyUpgrade, as he single-handedly [[spoiler: shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate.

* Euron Greyjoy is something of an adaptational Scrappy, since his book counterpart is by all accounts well liked. Here, barring some moments of actual competence, he's stripped of all mystical, magical and generally darker and eerie elements and gets turned into what many fans call a "discount [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Jack Sparrow]]" that is overly wacky for the series' tone. Then, add involvement in some of the latter seasons' most controversial elements, like [[TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot fleet teleportation]], [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Rhaegal's death]], the infamous "wooden railgun" ballistae and finally showing up out of nowhere to get killed off in a fight that adds ''nothing'' to the plot and only raises more questions afterwards. All with the aforementioned theatrical buccaneer attitude. By the time Season 8 was halfway through, most of the watchers just wanted him to fuck off and ''die''.
** By all accounts, Euron does have his share of fans from Season 7 onwards and especially Pilou's charismatic portrayal has been widely acclaimed. But the sheer fact that his character is drastically watered down from the books and he serves as Cersei's wild card and a [[DeusExMachina plot device]], is a turn-off for many who wanted a more threatening BigBad into the series. Overall, Euron's character seems like a culmination of [[SeasonalRot the declined quality of the show]] manifested in one character, especially with such a late introduction.

* Lord Robett Glover. His first scene has him insulting the memory of King Robb and calling Talia a foreign whore, and harshly refusing to help Jon and Sansa in their darkest hour. He later expresses regret and looks set to become the atoner. He becomes a sour supporter instead in season 7, criticizing every single one of Jon’s decisions, and ends up abandoning the Starks again in the 8th, after they formed an alliance with Daenerys out of necessity, due to the impending war with the Night King. And from what was said in Episode 2, his stupidity might have gotten himself and 500 men killed. Like the Waif, none of this is in the books, where he's also a minor character, and a stolid officer in the Northern army.

** As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the plain idiocy of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing, and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to the Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are.