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* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, were not received well, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the plain idiocy of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline was been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation was further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut TheScrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It got even worse in Season 6 where they helped Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].

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* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, were not received well, well either due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the plain idiocy of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline was been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation was further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut TheScrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It got even worse in Season 6 where they helped Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].
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How can he be overpowered and a Adaptational Wimp?


* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He had some fans in Season 7 for Creator/PilouAsbaek's charismatic portrayal, for showing some actual combat prowess and putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place, but this fell apart by Season 8, where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series' end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season -- for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a Marty Stu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler:shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished and the fact he regularly exploits TravellingAtTheSpeedOfPlot and OffscreenTeleportation. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate. Fans of the books dislike him for being a watered-down version of the SorcerousOverlord that he is in Martin's pages, whereas non-readers dislike him for being a one-dimensional plot device. The most common criticism for Show!Euron is that his over-the-top, wacky personality doesn't really fit in a dark fantasy setting and often leads him to be compared to a [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Jack Sparrow]] impersonator.[[note]]For instance, ''Webvideo/HonestTrailers'' credits him as "Hack Sparrow".[[/note]] Even Pilou Asbæk himself, who is a fan of the books, has noted his disappointment in what the show did to the character, as he was hoping to play the much more threatening character from the books. One Youtube comment sums it up perfectly with "Hated [Joffrey Baratheon] because of how good he was written. Hated Euron Greyjoy because of how bad he was written."

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* Euron Greyjoy. While he is very popular in the books, the show counterpart suffers from a major case of AdaptationalWimp. He books and he had some fans in Season 7 for Creator/PilouAsbaek's charismatic portrayal, for showing some actual combat prowess and putting the aforementioned Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes in their place, but this fell apart by Season 8, where Euron was reduced into Cersei's overpowered crony. By the series' end, fans complained about him ''by name'' in a petition to re-write the final season -- for "''merely existing.''" [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2019/05/07/game-of-thrones-is-euron-greyjoy-a-mary-sue/#57297a6d5665 Other writers]] go so far as to call Euron a Marty Stu, as he single-handedly [[spoiler:shoots a dragon out of the sky three times]], a feat no other character has ever accomplished and the fact he regularly exploits TravellingAtTheSpeedOfPlot and OffscreenTeleportation. As he appears in the show, he lacks the interest in the occult and dark magic he has in the books, which explain his motivation for helping Cersei and his uncanny luck as a pirate. Fans of the books dislike him for being a watered-down version of the SorcerousOverlord that he is in Martin's pages, whereas non-readers dislike him for being a one-dimensional plot device. The most common criticism for Show!Euron is that his over-the-top, wacky personality doesn't really fit in a dark fantasy setting and often leads him to be compared to a [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Jack Sparrow]] impersonator.[[note]]For instance, ''Webvideo/HonestTrailers'' credits him as "Hack Sparrow".[[/note]] Even Pilou Asbæk himself, who is a fan of the books, has noted his disappointment in what the show did to the character, as he was hoping to play the much more threatening character from the books. One Youtube comment sums it up perfectly with "Hated [Joffrey Baratheon] because of how good he was written. Hated Euron Greyjoy because of how bad he was written."

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* Though well-received in her introductory season, Ellaria Sand from Season 5 onwards has been harshly criticized due to her plan to [[spoiler:execute Princess Myrcella to [[RevengeBeforeReason avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]]]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand". The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the equally-despised Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]], now that she and the Sand Snakes are [[spoiler:murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him"]]. Not helping in the slightest is the fact that in the books, Ellaria is portrayed as a [[NiceGirl kind and gentle woman]] and a [[OnlySaneWoman voice of reason]] in the Dornish arc, who tries to dissuade Arianne and the Sand Snakes from their revenge plot because, as she rightly points out, it will only lead to more violence and won't bring [[spoiler:Oberyn]] back, which is [[AdaptationPersonalityChange the exact opposite of how she's portrayed in the show.]]
* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, have not been received well, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the plain idiocy of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation is further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut TheScrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 where they help Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].

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* Though well-received in her introductory season, Ellaria Sand was harshly criticized from Season 5 onwards has been harshly criticized due to her plan to [[spoiler:execute Princess Myrcella to [[RevengeBeforeReason avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]]]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand". The fact she's she was the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the equally-despised Sand Snakes, has done did nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets got worse with the Season 6 premiere]], now that she with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes are [[spoiler:murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him"]]. Not helping in the slightest is the fact that in the books, Ellaria is portrayed as a [[NiceGirl kind and gentle woman]] and a [[OnlySaneWoman voice of reason]] in the Dornish arc, who tries to dissuade Arianne and the Sand Snakes from their revenge plot because, as she rightly points out, it will only lead to more violence and won't bring [[spoiler:Oberyn]] back, which is [[AdaptationPersonalityChange the exact opposite of how she's portrayed in the show.]]
* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, have were not been received well, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the plain idiocy of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has was been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation is was further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut TheScrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets got even worse in Season 6 where they help helped Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].
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* Fans started to turn on Bran Stark around Season 6 and the dislike for him was cemented following the end of Season 8. Many viewers find him to be one of the most dull and underdeveloped characters who contributes little to the wider story (he's apparently so irrelevant he was PutOnABus for all of Season 5). Viewers were very irritated in Season 6 when his reckless actions cause the Night King to find the Three-Eyed Raven's cave, resulting in [[spoiler:the deaths of Summer, Hodor, the 3ER and the last of the Children of the Forest, who all sacrifice themselves for Bran]]. Bran then proceeds to do very little of significance with his powers besides [[spoiler:confirming that Littlefinger is a traitor and Jon is actually the heir to the throne]]. His DeathOfPersonality results in him becoming a monotone creep who spends most of his time sitting around spouting exposition when needed or making people uncomfortable. He expresses little [[NoSympathy remorse]] or [[UngratefulBastard gratitude]] for the sacrifices Meera and many others made for him and then proceeds to not really help anyone anyway, does nothing in the Long Night except sitting in his chair, and tells Theon he would die despite knowing [[spoiler: Arya is coming and all will be fine in moments]]. The moment that really made fans turn on Bran was in the finale, [[spoiler:as Bran is unanimously elected King of Westeros ''sans'' the North despite not having done enough in some people's eyes to earn it and lacking any experience and qualities for leadership]]. The show then proclaims that Bran has "the most interesting story" out of all the characters, which most fans vehemently disagreed with. There are many articles and posts out there describing Bran as one of the worst characters on the show and some viewers have even taken to calling him "Bran the Boring". On top of that, the fact that he apparently knew everything that was going to transpire and yet only shared selective information strongly implies that almost all of the bad things that happened to everyone in the final season were because he wished for those events to transpire. [[spoiler:Congratulations, Westeros! You elected a King who was responsible for hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths of his own subjects so he could end up in power.]]

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* Fans started to turn on Bran Stark around Season 6 and the dislike for him was cemented following the end of Season 8. Many viewers find him to be one of the most dull and underdeveloped characters who contributes little to the wider story (he's apparently so irrelevant he was PutOnABus for all of Season 5). Viewers were very irritated in Season 6 when his reckless actions cause the Night King to find the Three-Eyed Raven's cave, resulting in [[spoiler:the deaths of Summer, Hodor, the 3ER and the last of the Children of the Forest, who all sacrifice themselves for Bran]]. Bran then proceeds to do very little of significance with his powers besides [[spoiler:confirming that Littlefinger is a traitor and Jon is actually the heir to the throne]]. His DeathOfPersonality results in him becoming a monotone creep who spends most of his time sitting around spouting exposition when needed or making people uncomfortable. He expresses little [[NoSympathy remorse]] or [[UngratefulBastard gratitude]] for the sacrifices Meera and many others made for him and then proceeds to not really help anyone anyway, does nothing in the Long Night except sitting in his chair, and tells Theon he would die despite knowing [[spoiler: Arya is coming and all will be fine in moments]]. The moment that really made fans turn on Bran was in the finale, [[spoiler:as Bran is unanimously elected King of Westeros ''sans'' the North despite not having done enough in some people's eyes to earn it and lacking any experience and qualities for leadership]]. The show then proclaims that Bran has "the most interesting story" out of all the characters, which most fans vehemently disagreed with. There are many articles and posts out there describing Bran as one of the worst characters on the show and some viewers have even taken to calling him "Bran the Boring". On top of that, the fact that he apparently knew everything that was going to transpire and yet only shared selective information strongly implies that almost all of the bad things that happened to everyone in the final season were because he wished for those events to transpire. [[spoiler:Congratulations, Westeros! You elected a King who was responsible for hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths of his own subjects so he could end up in power.]]
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With a cast this large and a CrapsackWorld setting, not every ''Series/GameOfThrones'' character going to be embraced warmly. In a show where just about AnyoneCanDie, fans frequently wish ''[[TheScrappy these]]'' [[TheScrappy characters]] would [[TakeThatScrappy succumb to this]] as soon as possible.

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With a cast this large and a CrapsackWorld setting, not every ''Series/GameOfThrones'' character was going to be embraced warmly. In a show where just about AnyoneCanDie, fans frequently wish ''[[TheScrappy these]]'' [[TheScrappy characters]] would [[TakeThatScrappy succumb to this]] as soon as possible.
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With a cast this large and a CrapsackWorld setting, not everyone is going to be embraced warmly. In a show where just about AnyoneCanDie, fans frequently wish ''[[TheScrappy these]]'' [[TheScrappy characters]] would [[TakeThatScrappy succumb to this]] as soon as possible.

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With a cast this large and a CrapsackWorld setting, not everyone is every ''Series/GameOfThrones'' character going to be embraced warmly. In a show where just about AnyoneCanDie, fans frequently wish ''[[TheScrappy these]]'' [[TheScrappy characters]] would [[TakeThatScrappy succumb to this]] as soon as possible.
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* Though well-received in her introductory season, Ellaria Sand from Season 5 onwards has been harshly criticized due to her plan to [[spoiler:execute Princess Myrcella to [[RevengeBeforeReason avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]]]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand". The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the equally-despised Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]], now that she and the Sand Snakes are [[spoiler:murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him"]]. IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this. Not helping in the slightest is the fact that in the books, Ellaria is portrayed as a [[NiceGirl kind and gentle woman]] and a [[OnlySaneWoman voice of reason]] in the Dornish arc, who tries to dissuade Arianne and the Sand Snakes from their revenge plot because, as she rightly points out, it will only lead to more violence and won't bring [[spoiler:Oberyn]] back, which is [[AdaptationPersonalityChange the exact opposite of how she's portrayed in the show.]]
* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, have not been received well, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the [[IdiotPlot plain idiocy]] of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation is further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut TheScrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 where they help Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].

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* Though well-received in her introductory season, Ellaria Sand from Season 5 onwards has been harshly criticized due to her plan to [[spoiler:execute Princess Myrcella to [[RevengeBeforeReason avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]]]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand". The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the equally-despised Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]], now that she and the Sand Snakes are [[spoiler:murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him"]]. IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this. Not helping in the slightest is the fact that in the books, Ellaria is portrayed as a [[NiceGirl kind and gentle woman]] and a [[OnlySaneWoman voice of reason]] in the Dornish arc, who tries to dissuade Arianne and the Sand Snakes from their revenge plot because, as she rightly points out, it will only lead to more violence and won't bring [[spoiler:Oberyn]] back, which is [[AdaptationPersonalityChange the exact opposite of how she's portrayed in the show.]]
* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, have not been received well, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the [[IdiotPlot plain idiocy]] idiocy of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation is further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut TheScrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 where they help Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].
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* Ellaria Sand from Season 5 onwards has not been well-received due to her plan to [[spoiler:execute Princess Myrcella to [[RevengeBeforeReason avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]]]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand". The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the equally-despised Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]], now that she and the Sand Snakes are [[spoiler:murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him"]]. IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this. Not helping in the slightest is the fact that in the books, Ellaria is portrayed as a [[NiceGirl kind and gentle woman]] and a [[OnlySaneWoman voice of reason]] in the Dornish arc, who tries to dissuade Arianne and the Sand Snakes from their revenge plot because, as she rightly points out, it will only lead to more violence and won't bring [[spoiler:Oberyn]] back, which is [[AdaptationPersonalityChange the exact opposite of how she's portrayed in the show.]]

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* Though well-received in her introductory season, Ellaria Sand from Season 5 onwards has not been well-received harshly criticized due to her plan to [[spoiler:execute Princess Myrcella to [[RevengeBeforeReason avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]]]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. This earned her the FanNickname "Malaria Sand". The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the equally-despised Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]], now that she and the Sand Snakes are [[spoiler:murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him"]]. IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this. Not helping in the slightest is the fact that in the books, Ellaria is portrayed as a [[NiceGirl kind and gentle woman]] and a [[OnlySaneWoman voice of reason]] in the Dornish arc, who tries to dissuade Arianne and the Sand Snakes from their revenge plot because, as she rightly points out, it will only lead to more violence and won't bring [[spoiler:Oberyn]] back, which is [[AdaptationPersonalityChange the exact opposite of how she's portrayed in the show.]] ]]
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With a [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters cast this large]] and a CrapsackWorld setting, not everyone is going to be embraced warmly. In a show where just about AnyoneCanDie, fans frequently wish ''[[TheScrappy these]]'' [[TheScrappy characters]] would [[TakeThatScrappy succumb to this]] as soon as possible.

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With a [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters cast this large]] large and a CrapsackWorld setting, not everyone is going to be embraced warmly. In a show where just about AnyoneCanDie, fans frequently wish ''[[TheScrappy these]]'' [[TheScrappy characters]] would [[TakeThatScrappy succumb to this]] as soon as possible.
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* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, have not been received well, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the [[IdiotPlot plain idiocy]] of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation is further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 where they help Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].

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* As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, have not been received well, due to the clunkiness of their first two scenes, the [[IdiotPlot plain idiocy]] of their story arc in general and their poor dialogue (particularly the [[Memes/GameOfThrones infamous]] "bad pussy" line). Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella (which in the books was portrayed as being a stupid idea) and that their sole action scene in Season 5 had [[FightSceneFailure incredibly bad choreography]]. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with [[spoiler:their father's death]]. Their reputation is further undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy TheScrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 where they help Ellaria [[spoiler:kill their own uncle and cousin, with no remorse]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are. By Season 7, pretty much the entire fandom is RootingForTheEmpire when [[spoiler:Euron kills Obara and Nymeria in a brutal CurbStompBattle and Cersei disposes of Ellaria and Tyene with some ''serious'' LaserGuidedKarma]].

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