History TheScrappy / GameOfThrones

* Lord Robett Glover. His first scene has him insulting the memory of King Robb and calling Talia a foreign whore, and harshly refusing to help Jon and Sansa in their darkest hour. He later expresses regret and looks set to become the atoner. He becomes a sour supporter instead in season 7, and ends up abandoning the Starks again in the 8th, after they formed an alliance with Daenerys out of necessity, due to the impending war with the Night King. Like the Waif, none of this is in the books, where he's also a minor character, and a stolid officer in the Northern army.

** As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due both to the clunkiness of their first two scenes and the plain idiocy of their story arc in general. Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing, and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to the Dornish society at large their crimes were. While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are.

* The Waif, who inexplicably hates Arya from the moment she arrives at the House of Black and White, and just builds from there. Fans are also confused about how her aggressive personality is completely at odds with how Faceless Men are supposed to operate, which goes completely unacknowledged by anyone in the show. None of this is present in the book, where she is more a side character than anything.
* Lord Robett Glover. His first scene has him insulting the memory of King Robb and calling Talia a foreign whore, and harshly refusing to help Jon and Sansa in their darkest hour. He later expresses regret and looks set to become the atoner. He becomes a sour supporter instead in season 7, and ends up abandoning the Starks again in the 8th. Like the waif, none of this is in the books, where he's also a minor character, and a stolid officer in the Northern army.

* Lord Robett Glover. His first scene has him insulting the memory of King Robb and calling Talia a foreign whore, and harshly refusing to help Jon and Sansa in their darkest hour. He later expresses regret and looks set to become the atoner. He becomes a sour supporter instead in season 7, and ends up abandoning the Starks again in the 8th.

* Ellaria from Season 5 onwards has not been well-received due to her plan to [[spoiler: execute princess Myrcella to avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of.

** As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due both to the clunkiness of their first two scenes and the plain idiocy of their story arc in general. Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing, and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons. It gets even worse in Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]]. To top it off, the narrative never really comments on how self-destructive to the Dornish society at large their crimes were.

** As a corollary to Ellaria, the other members of the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due both to the clunkiness of their first two scenes and the plain idiocy of their story arc in general. Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing, and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons.

* Ramsay Snow is a villainous example:
** He is intended to be a despicable character, but where Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger were believable villains, Ramsay's villainy comes across [[DiabolusExMachina as motivated by the whims of the show's plot]] rather than pre-established circumstances, depending on many characters known for their political savvy and ruthlessness, such as Roose Bolton and Littlefinger himself, utterly misreading him despite being blunt ObviouslyEvil, and entirely lacking in guile, sophistication and other EvilVirtues.
** Book readers despise him because he has received AdaptationExpansion[[note]]Ramsay only appears in 2 out of 5 books and is relevant mainly to Theon's plot and doesn't appear in more than 10 chapters of a very long novel series[[/note]] and AdaptationalBadass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis. [[spoiler:His crippling of Stannis' army with 20 good men is very difficult to take seriously, with Ramsay destroying their siege weapons and food, killing hundreds of horses, and not even being seen, which comes across as incredibly forced writing to derail Stannis' storyline.]]
** Him somehow creating a coalition of alliances in Season 6 when Roose Bolton struggled and fretted all of Season 5 for their delicate position in the North essentially undermines the versimilitude of Westerosi feudalism, and also marks Roose as a chump, and likewise [[spoiler:the sudden and easy manner of Roose's death naturally upset people who found Roose a more convincing embodiment of the North's EvilOverlord]].
** There's also the show's obvious set up of a [[spoiler:Ramsay-Jon showdown which seems to based on both being bastards and Ramsay regarding him as an UnknownRival]], that struck many as a lazy and obvious attempt to make him the ArchEnemy of TheHero, not to mention that his role has been elevated from an ArcVillain to Theon's story to BigBad for two consecutive seasons with the same plot of RagtagBunchOfMisfits marching to Winterfell to dislodge him by the final two episodes repeated.
** In addition to being a expert infiltrator (again, the infamous "20 good men") and an improbably skilled politician/diplomat (successfully and quickly uniting the North despite his well-known reputation as a psychopath, rapist, and overall sadist), he excels at everything else as well. He's an expert swordsman (especially prominent in the sequence where Yara and several Ironborn attempt to rescue Theon; Ramsay easily dispatches several veteran Ironborn raiders while ''shirtless''), an expert marksman (his almost impossible execution of Rickon Stark), an expert tactician/strategist (he effortlessly wins every battle or raid he's involved with save the last one, which he would have won if the Vale knights hadn't arrived), and to cap it all off, he's a dynamite lover that's surrounded by very attractive women. One or two of these traits might make an effective villain; all of them at once creates a boring invincible villain that can only be dispatched when the plot requires it.
*** His status as TheAce is also in stark contrast to the book version of the character, where is a DirtyCoward and BigBadWannabe, is considered fairly unattractive, and is only dangerous with a sword because he is UnskilledButStrong. All of these changes have made him even more unappealing to book readers.
* Ellaria from Season 5 onwards has not been well-received due to her plan to [[spoiler: execute princess Myrcella to avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of.
** The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation.
** [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]], [[spoiler: now that she and the Sand Snakes are murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him."]] IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this.
* Olly. He was intended to provide a gray perspective to the Night's Watch and Wildlings faceoff and started off as a TagalongKid to the Night's Watch, but his role in the denouement of "Watchers on the Wall" was staged in a very {{narm}}-y way.

* Ramsay Snow is a villainous example:
** He is intended to be a despicable character, but where Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger were believable villains, Ramsay's villainy comes across [[DiabolusExMachina as motivated by the whims of the show's plot]] rather than pre-established circumstances, depending on many characters known for their political savvy and ruthlessness, such as Roose Bolton and Littlefinger himself, utterly misreading him despite being blunt ObviouslyEvil, and entirely lacking in guile, sophistication and other EvilVirtues.
** Book readers despise him because he has received AdaptationExpansion[[note]]Ramsay only appears in 2 out of 5 books and is relevant mainly to Theon's plot and doesn't appear in more than 10 chapters of a very long novel series[[/note]] and AdaptationalBadass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis. [[spoiler:His crippling of Stannis' army with 20 good men is very difficult to take seriously, with Ramsay destroying their siege weapons and food, killing hundreds of horses, and not even being seen, which comes across as incredibly forced writing to derail Stannis' storyline.]]
** Him somehow creating a coalition of alliances in Season 6 when Roose Bolton struggled and fretted all of Season 5 for their delicate position in the North essentially undermines the versimilitude of Westerosi feudalism, and also marks Roose as a chump, and likewise [[spoiler:the sudden and easy manner of Roose's death naturally upset people who found Roose a more convincing embodiment of the North's EvilOverlord]].
** There's also the show's obvious set up of a [[spoiler:Ramsay-Jon showdown which seems to based on both being bastards and Ramsay regarding him as an UnknownRival]], that struck many as a lazy and obvious attempt to make him the ArchEnemy of TheHero, not to mention that his role has been elevated from an ArcVillain to Theon's story to BigBad for two consecutive seasons with the same plot of RagtagBunchOfMisfits marching to Winterfell to dislodge him by the final two episodes repeated.
** In addition to being a expert infiltrator (again, the infamous "20 good men") and an improbably skilled politician/diplomat (successfully and quickly uniting the North despite his well-known reputation as a psychopath, rapist, and overall sadist), he excels at everything else as well. He's an expert swordsman (especially prominent in the sequence where Yara and several Ironborn attempt to rescue Theon; Ramsay easily dispatches several veteran Ironborn raiders while ''shirtless''), an expert marksman (his almost impossible execution of Rickon Stark), an expert tactician/strategist (he effortlessly wins every battle or raid he's involved with save the last one, which he would have won if the Vale knights hadn't arrived), and to cap it all off, he's a dynamite lover that's surrounded by very attractive women. One or two of these traits might make an effective villain; all of them at once creates a boring invincible villain that can only be dispatched when the plot requires it.
*** His status as TheAce is also in stark contrast to the book version of the character, where is a DirtyCoward and BigBadWannabe, is considered fairly unattractive, and is only dangerous with a sword because he is UnskilledButStrong. All of these changes have made him even more unappealing to book readers.

** His status as TheAce is also in stark contrast to the book version of the character, where is a DirtyCoward and BigBadWannabe, is considered fairly unattractive, and is only dangerous with a sword because he is UnskilledButStrong.

* As a corollary to the above, the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due both to the clunkiness of their first two scenes and the plain idiocy of their story arc in general.
** Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime, strongly bringing to mind the books' AdaptedOut Scrappy Darkstar, who does pretty much the same thing, and is loathed for almost the exact same reasons.
** It gets worse in the Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]].
** While fans of the books are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkhorse fairly popular characters from the books]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact that they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are.
** It appears that the writers figured out that people didn't like them that much. By the Season 6 finale, Olenna basically tells them to piss off, and Season 7 shows [[spoiler: all three of them undergoing [[TakeThatScrappy excruciatingly painful deaths]] (or, in Tyene's case, in the process of undergoing an extremely painful death). It's almost enough to [[AlasPoorScrappy make one pity them]]. [[SubvertedTrope Almost]].]]

** Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime.

** In addition to being a expert infiltrator (again, the infamous "20 good men") and an improbably skilled politician/diplomat (successfully and quickly uniting the North despite his well-known reputation as a psychopath, rapist, and overall sadist), he excels at everything else as well. He's an expert swordsman (especially prominent in the sequence where Yara and several Ironborn attempt to rescue Theon; Ramsay easily dispatches several veteran Ironborn raiders while ''shirtless''), an expert marksman (his almost impossible execution of Rickon Stark), an expert tactician/strategist (he effortlessly wins every battle or raid he's involved with save the last one, which he would have won if the Vale knights hadn't arrived), and to cap it all off, he's a dynamite lover that's surrounded by very attractive women. One or two of these traits might make an effective villain; all of them at once creates a boring invincible VillainSue that can only be dispatched when the plot requires it.

** Book readers despise him because he has recieved AdaptationExpansion[[note]]Ramsay only appears in 2 out of 5 books and is relevant mainly to Theon's plot and doesn't appear in more than 10 chapters of a very long novel series[[/note]] and AdaptationalBadass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis. [[spoiler:His crippling of Stannis' army with 20 good men is very difficult to take seriously, with Ramsay destroying their siege weapons and food, killing hundreds of horses, and not even being seen, which comes across as incredibly forced writing to derail Stannis' storyline.]]

* The Waif, who inexplicably hates Arya from the moment she arrives at the House of Black and White, and just builds from there. Fans are also confused about how her aggressive personality is completely at odds with how Faceless Men are supposed to operate, which goes completely unacknowledged by anyone in the show.

** It appears that the writers figured out that people didn't like them that much. By the Season 6 finale, Olenna basically tells them to piss off, and Season 7 shows [[spoiler: all three of them undergoing [[TakeThatScrappy excruciatingly painful deaths]]. It's almost enough to [[AlasPoorScrappy make one pity them]]. [[SubvertedTrope Almost]].]]

** Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene.
** As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. Of course, their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime.

** Book readers despise him because he has recieved AdaptationExpansion[[note]]Ramsay only appears in 2 out of 5 books and is relevant mainly to Theon's plot and doesn't appear in more than 10 chapters of a very long novel series[[/note]] and AdaptationalBadass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis.

* Olly. Fans find it astonishing that the character was meant to be sympathetic, despite his role in the deaths of two prominent characters [[spoiler: [[StarCrossedLovers (Ygritte and Jon)]]]]:
** He was intended to provide a gray perspective to the Night's Watch and Wildlings faceoff and started off as a TagalongKid to the Night's Watch, but his role in the denouement of "Watchers on the Wall" was staged in a very {{narm}}-y way.

* Ellaria from Season 5 onwards has not been well received due to her plan to [[spoiler: execute princess Myrcella to avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]] [[spoiler: now that she and the Sand Snakes are murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him."]] IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this.
* As a corollary to the above, the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due both to the clunkiness of their first two scenes and the plain idiocy of their story arc in general. Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. And of course their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime. It gets worse in the Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]]. While book fans are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkHorse fairly popular characters from the book]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are.
* Olly. Fans find it astonishing that the character was meant to be sympathetic, despite his role in the deaths of two prominent characters [[spoiler: [[StarCrossedLovers (Ygritte and Jon)]]]]. He was intended to provide a gray perspective to the Night's Watch and Wildlings faceoff and started off as a TagalongKid to the Night's Watch, but his role in the denouement of "Watchers on the Wall" was staged in a very {{narm}}-y way. In season 5, he becomes the embodiment of the Watch losing faith in Jon Snow, and the foreshadowing of [[spoiler: his betrayal of Jon Snow]] was heavyhanded to the point of being jarring. The aim was that his betrayal be an EtTuBrute moment but his shameless gloating in a short scene after the incident, ruined that. He [[spoiler:is thrown in the Castle Black dungeon following the Wildling attack, and executed with the rest of the mutineers by Jon Snow himself, though even posthumously he has this since Jon treats executing Olly]] as a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, stating that he's younger than Bran (which again is no longer true, visually at least, as a result of the actors aging).

* Ramsay Snow is a villainous example. He is intended to be a despicable character, but where Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger were believable villains, Ramsay's villainy comes across [[DiabolusExMachina as motivated by the whims of the show's plot]] rather than pre-established circumstances, depending on many characters known for their political savvy and ruthlessness, such as Roose Bolton and Littlefinger himself, utterly misreading him despite being blunt ObviouslyEvil, and entirely lacking in guile, sophistication and other EvilVirtues. Book readers despise him because he has recieved AdaptationExpansion[[note]]Ramsay only appears in 2 out of 5 books and is relevant mainly to Theon's plot and doesn't appear in more than 10 chapters of a very long novel series[[/note]] and AdaptationalBadass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis. Him somehow creating a coalition of alliances in Season 6 when Roose Bolton struggled and fretted all of Season 5 for their delicate position in the North essentially undermines the versimilitude of Westerosi feudalism, and also marks Roose as a chump, and likewise [[spoiler:the sudden and easy manner of Roose's death naturally upset people who found Roose a more convincing embodiment of the North's EvilOverlord]]. There's also the show's obvious set up of a [[spoiler:Ramsay-Jon showdown which seems to based on both being bastards and Ramsay regarding him as an UnknownRival]], that struck many as a lazy and obvious attempt to make him the ArchEnemy of TheHero, not to mention that his role has been elevated from an ArcVillain to Theon's story to BigBad for two consecutive seasons with the same plot of RagtagBunchOfMisfits marching to Winterfell to dislodge him by the final two episodes repeated.