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* No matter what, Argo City gets stolen by Brainiac. Even in the alternate timeline.

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** Up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.
*** That's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.
** This scene is even ''more'' heartwrenching when you see that Batman has a ''genuine'' smile on his face, and that removing the Black Mercy will return him to reality... but also force him to relieve his parent's deaths... gah... just... gah!
*** It's even worse than just ''reliving'' their deaths. While it was certainly terrible for Clark, he only had to say goodbye to a reality that never truly happened. Bruce had to ''let'' his parents die. Not just watch them die. Allow them to die... Excuse me, but my face appears to be raining...
*** Look at Young Bruce's face as reality returns: he has a look of realization rather than shock right before he grimaces and looks away from seeing his father die a second time.
*** The original story is kinder, since Batman's fantasy goes beyond that moment, and he mentions marrying Kathy Kane (the original Batwoman) and having a teen daughter.

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** Up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill.Chill, because this was Bruce's 'ideal' world. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.
*** That's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.
** This scene is even ''more'' heartwrenching when you see that Batman has a ''genuine'' smile on his face, and that removing the Black Mercy will return him to reality... but also force him to relieve relive his parent's deaths... gah... just... gah!
*** It's even worse than just ''reliving'' their deaths. While it was certainly terrible for Clark, he only had to say goodbye to a reality that never truly happened. Bruce had to ''let'' his parents die. Not just watch them die. Allow them to die... Excuse me, but my face appears to be raining...
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Look at Young Bruce's face as reality returns: he has a look of realization rather than shock right before he grimaces and looks away from seeing his father die a second time.
*** * The original story is kinder, kinder to Bruce, since Batman's fantasy goes beyond that moment, the mugging, and he mentions marrying Kathy Kane (the original Batwoman) and having a teen daughter.



* While Superman might have gotten his ideal life ("He Is Content"), its shown that he subconsciously knows that Krypton would not have been a utopia, and the fact that it wasnt destroyed doesnt mean that bad things wont happen. His mother is dead from the "wasting sickness", Jor-El has turned bitter and become affiliated with the cult Sword Of Rao which is causing all manner of social unrest, [[Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} his cousin Kara]] has been brutally beaten, and this is a world where he is just an ordinary man who can't protect his family. In the end, Superman concludes that perhaps it is for the best, and leaves Krypton alone with its ghosts.

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* While Superman might have gotten his ideal life ("He Is Content"), its shown that he subconsciously knows that Krypton would not have been a utopia, and the fact that it wasnt wasn't destroyed doesnt doesn't mean that bad things wont won't happen. His mother is dead from the "wasting sickness", Jor-El has turned bitter and become affiliated with the cult Sword Of Rao which is causing all manner of social unrest, [[Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} his cousin Kara]] has been brutally beaten, and this is a world where he is just an ordinary man who can't protect his family. In the end, Superman concludes that perhaps it is for the best, and leaves Krypton alone with its ghosts.
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*** Look at Young Bruce's face as reality returns: he has a look of realization rather than shock right before he grimaces and looks away from seeing his father die a second time.
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* And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.
--> '''Van-El:''' Daddy...\\

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* ** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.
--> ---> '''Van-El:''' Daddy...\\
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-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, when you were born, it was the ''happiest'' day of my life. When I first saw your beautiful little face, when your tiny fingers squeezed my hand ''so'' tight—like you never wanted to let go. I've watched every step, every struggle, I... but, Van, I—oh, Rao help me [begins to cry]—but I don't think you're ''real''. I don't think any of this is ''real''.\\

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-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, when you were born, it was the ''happiest'' day of my life. When I first saw your beautiful little face, when your tiny fingers squeezed my hand ''so'' tight—like you never wanted to let go. I've watched every step, every struggle, I... but, Van, I—oh, Rao help me [begins ''[begins to cry]—but cry]''—but I don't think you're ''real''. I don't think any of this is ''real''.\\



'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This... this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But I've got responsibilities, Van. And I... [voice breaking] have to go now...

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'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This... this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But I've got responsibilities, Van. And I... [voice breaking] ''[voice breaking]'' have to go now...
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** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.
---> '''Van-El:''' Daddy...
---> '''Kal-El:''' I promise you... I'll never forget.

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** * And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.
---> --> '''Van-El:''' Daddy...
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Daddy...\\
'''Kal-El:''' I promise you... I'll never forget.



-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, I'm sorry. I... I just needed to ''come'' here. There's something completely ''wrong''. You know when you get a ''bad feeling'', and then... Oh, Van, I'm ''sorry''. I'm not talking ''sense''. You're too ''young'' to understand...
-->'''Van-El:''' Father, can we go and meet mother and Orna? I'm cold.
-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, it's... it's this ''feeling''. I... Oh dear Rao, am I going '''''mad'''''? I keep thinking that... Van, please, I ''know'' this won't make ''sense'', but... you're my ''son''. I was at your birth and I'll always love you. '''''Always'''''. But, Van, I... I don't think you're ''real''.

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-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, I'm sorry. I... I just needed to ''come'' here. There's something completely ''wrong''. You know when you get a ''bad feeling'', and then... Oh, Van, I'm ''sorry''. I'm not talking ''sense''. You're too ''young'' to understand...
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understand...\\
'''Van-El:'''
Father, can we go and meet mother and Orna? I'm cold.
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cold.\\
'''Kal-El:'''
Van, it's... it's this ''feeling''. I... Oh dear Rao, am I going '''''mad'''''? I keep thinking that... Van, please, I ''know'' this won't make ''sense'', but... you're my ''son''. I was at your birth and I'll always love you. '''''Always'''''. But, Van, I... I don't think you're ''real''.
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* While Superman might have gotten his ideal life ("He Is Content"), its shown that he subconsciously knows that Krypton would not have been a utopia, and the fact that it wasnt destroyed doesnt mean that bad things wont happen. His mother is dead from the "wasting sickness", Jor-El has turned bitter and become affiliated with the cult Sword Of Rao which is causing all manner of social unrest, and this is a world where he is just an ordinary man who can't protect his family. In the end, Superman concludes that perhaps it is for the best, and leaves Krypton alone with its ghosts.

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* While Superman might have gotten his ideal life ("He Is Content"), its shown that he subconsciously knows that Krypton would not have been a utopia, and the fact that it wasnt destroyed doesnt mean that bad things wont happen. His mother is dead from the "wasting sickness", Jor-El has turned bitter and become affiliated with the cult Sword Of Rao which is causing all manner of social unrest, [[Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} his cousin Kara]] has been brutally beaten, and this is a world where he is just an ordinary man who can't protect his family. In the end, Superman concludes that perhaps it is for the best, and leaves Krypton alone with its ghosts.ghosts.
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* Superman's saying farewell to his imaginary son in the ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' version.

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* Superman's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXQ2pDVB42k saying farewell to his imaginary son son]] in the ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' version.
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* While Superman might have gotten his ideal life ("He Is Content"), its shown that he subconsciously knows that Krypton would not have been a utopia, and the fact that it wasnt destroyed doesnt mean that bad things wont happen. His mother is dead from the "wasting sickness", Jor-El has turned bitter and become affiliated with the cult Sword Of Rao which is causing all manner of social unrest, and this is a world where he is just an ordinary man who cant protect his family. In the end, Superman concludes that perhaps it is for the best, and leaves Krypton alone with its ghosts.

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* While Superman might have gotten his ideal life ("He Is Content"), its shown that he subconsciously knows that Krypton would not have been a utopia, and the fact that it wasnt destroyed doesnt mean that bad things wont happen. His mother is dead from the "wasting sickness", Jor-El has turned bitter and become affiliated with the cult Sword Of Rao which is causing all manner of social unrest, and this is a world where he is just an ordinary man who cant can't protect his family. In the end, Superman concludes that perhaps it is for the best, and leaves Krypton alone with its ghosts.
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* Jor El in both versions, but particularly in the original comic. Falsely predicting Krypton's destruction led to him becoming a laughing stock on Krypton, destroying his career and leaving him as an embittered old man.

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* Jor El in both versions, but particularly in the original comic. Falsely predicting Krypton's destruction led to him becoming a laughing stock on Krypton, destroying his career and leaving him as an embittered old man. In the original story, he smashes a crystal sculpture of a tree, knocking off a chunk depicting a bird feeding its chick, and breaks down sobbing.
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*** The original story is kinder, since Batman's fantasy goes beyond that moment, and he mentions marrying Kathy Kane (the original Batwoman) and having a teen daughter.
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* Jor El in both versions, but particularly in the original comic. Falsely predicting Krypton's destruction led to him becoming a laughing stock on Krypton, destroying his career and leaving him as an embittered old man.

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* Jor El in both versions, but particularly in the original comic. Falsely predicting Krypton's destruction led to him becoming a laughing stock on Krypton, destroying his career and leaving him as an embittered old man.man.
* While Superman might have gotten his ideal life ("He Is Content"), its shown that he subconsciously knows that Krypton would not have been a utopia, and the fact that it wasnt destroyed doesnt mean that bad things wont happen. His mother is dead from the "wasting sickness", Jor-El has turned bitter and become affiliated with the cult Sword Of Rao which is causing all manner of social unrest, and this is a world where he is just an ordinary man who cant protect his family. In the end, Superman concludes that perhaps it is for the best, and leaves Krypton alone with its ghosts.
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* Superman's saying farewell to his imaginary son in the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' version.

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* Superman's saying farewell to his imaginary son in the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' version.



** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for ''SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.

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** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for ''SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.
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--> '''Wonder Woman''' *outside the dream as Joe Chill aims*: ''BRUUUUCE!!!!'' * ''BLAM!''*

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--> '''Wonder Woman''' *outside the dream as Joe Chill aims*: ''BRUUUUCE!!!!'' * ''BLAM!''* *''BLAM!''*



*** It's even worse than just ''reliving'' their deaths. While it was certainly terrible for Clark, he only had to say goodbye to a reality that never truly happened. Bruce had to ''let'' his parents die. Not just watch them die. Allow them to die. ...Excuse me, but my face appears to be raining...

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*** It's even worse than just ''reliving'' their deaths. While it was certainly terrible for Clark, he only had to say goodbye to a reality that never truly happened. Bruce had to ''let'' his parents die. Not just watch them die. Allow them to die. ...die... Excuse me, but my face appears to be raining...
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--> '''Wonder Woman''' * outside the dream as Joe Chill aims* : ''BRUUUUCE!!!!'' * ''BLAM!''*

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--> '''Wonder Woman''' * outside *outside the dream as Joe Chill aims* : aims*: ''BRUUUUCE!!!!'' * ''BLAM!''*
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*** Ah, but that's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.

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*** Ah, but that's That's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.
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*** It's even worse than just ''reliving'' their deaths. While it was certainly terrible for Clark, he only had to say goodbye to a reality that never truly happened. Bruce had to ''let'' his parents die. Not just watch them die. Allow them to die. ...Excuse me, but my face appears to be raining...

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*** It's even worse than just ''reliving'' their deaths. While it was certainly terrible for Clark, he only had to say goodbye to a reality that never truly happened. Bruce had to ''let'' his parents die. Not just watch them die. Allow them to die. ...Excuse me, but my face appears to be raining...raining...
* Jor El in both versions, but particularly in the original comic. Falsely predicting Krypton's destruction led to him becoming a laughing stock on Krypton, destroying his career and leaving him as an embittered old man.
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** This scene is even ''more'' heartwrenching when you see that Batman has a ''genuine'' smile on his face, and that removing the Black Mercy will return him to reality... but also force him to relieve his parent's deaths... gah... just... gah!

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** This scene is even ''more'' heartwrenching when you see that Batman has a ''genuine'' smile on his face, and that removing the Black Mercy will return him to reality... but also force him to relieve his parent's deaths... gah... just... gah!gah!
*** It's even worse than just ''reliving'' their deaths. While it was certainly terrible for Clark, he only had to say goodbye to a reality that never truly happened. Bruce had to ''let'' his parents die. Not just watch them die. Allow them to die. ...Excuse me, but my face appears to be raining...
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-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, when you were born, it was the ''happiest'' day of my life. When I first saw your beautiful little face, when your tiny fingers squeezed my hand ''so'' tight—like you never wanted to let go. I've watched every step, every struggle, I...but, Van, I—oh, Rao help me [begins to cry]—but I don't think you're ''real''. I don't think any of this is ''real''.\\
'''Van-El:''' Don't say that, Daddy! Please...you're scaring me.\\
'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This...this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But... I've got responsibilities, Van. And I... [voice breaking] have to go now...

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-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, when you were born, it was the ''happiest'' day of my life. When I first saw your beautiful little face, when your tiny fingers squeezed my hand ''so'' tight—like you never wanted to let go. I've watched every step, every struggle, I... but, Van, I—oh, Rao help me [begins to cry]—but I don't think you're ''real''. I don't think any of this is ''real''.\\
'''Van-El:''' Don't say that, Daddy! Please...Please, you're scaring me.\\
'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This... this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But... But I've got responsibilities, Van. And I... [voice breaking] have to go now...
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'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This...this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But...I have responsibilities, Van. And I... [voice breaking] have to go now...

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'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This...this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But...I have I've got responsibilities, Van. And I... [voice breaking] have to go now...
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** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.

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** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, ''SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', as Jor-El and Lara watched their son fly away and their world die.
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** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, as Jor-El and Lara watched their son escape and their world die.

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** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, as Jor-El and Lara watched their son escape fly away and their world die.

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'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This...this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But...I have responsibilities, Van. And I...[voice breaking]have to go now...

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'''Kal-El:''' No, no, I don't want to ''scare'' you, Van. You are everything I ever wanted in a son. This...this is everything I ever wanted in a ''life''. But...I have responsibilities, Van. And I... [voice breaking]have breaking] have to go now...now...
** And then the music rises, the same achingly sad theme that played over the destruction of Krypton back in the pilot for SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, as Jor-El and Lara watched their son escape and their world die.
---> '''Van-El:''' Daddy...
---> '''Kal-El:''' I promise you... I'll never forget.



---> '''Wonder Woman''' * outside the dream as Joe Chill aims* : ''BRUUUUCE!!!!'' * ''BLAM!''*
** To be fair, up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.

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---> --> '''Wonder Woman''' * outside the dream as Joe Chill aims* : ''BRUUUUCE!!!!'' * ''BLAM!''*
** To be fair, up Up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.
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*** Ah, but that's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.

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*** Ah, but that's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.itself.
** This scene is even ''more'' heartwrenching when you see that Batman has a ''genuine'' smile on his face, and that removing the Black Mercy will return him to reality... but also force him to relieve his parent's deaths... gah... just... gah!
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* Superman's saying farewell to his imaginary son in the ''Justice League Unlimited'' version.

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* Superman's saying farewell to his imaginary son in the ''Justice League Unlimited'' ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' version.
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** It's even more sad in the original story, when he brings Van-El to the site of Kandor Crater.

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** * It's even more sad in the original story, when he brings Van-El to the site of Kandor Crater.



** In the JLU episode, Bruce Wayne being forced to relive his parent's deaths.

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** * In the JLU episode, Bruce Wayne being forced to relive his parent's deaths.



*** To be fair, up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.
**** Ah, but that's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.

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*** ** To be fair, up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.
**** *** Ah, but that's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.
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*** To be fair, up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.

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*** To be fair, up until that moment, Thomas was ''beating the crap out'' of Chill. It's only when Diana tries to snap Batman out of his hallucination that the tables turn.turn.
**** Ah, but that's because Thomas Wayne beating the crap out of Joe Chill is Bruce's 'ideal' world. Diana helps Bruce fight back against the Black Mercy and so reality asserts itself.
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** It's even more sad in the original story, when he brings Van-El to the site of Kandor Crater.
-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, I'm sorry. I... I just needed to ''come'' here. There's something completely ''wrong''. You know when you get a ''bad feeling'', and then... Oh, Van, I'm ''sorry''. I'm not talking ''sense''. You're too ''young'' to understand...
-->'''Van-El:''' Father, can we go and meet mother and Orna? I'm cold.
-->'''Kal-El:''' Van, it's... it's this ''feeling''. I... Oh dear Rao, am I going '''''mad'''''? I keep thinking that... Van, please, I ''know'' this won't make ''sense'', but... you're my ''son''. I was at your birth and I'll always love you. '''''Always'''''. But, Van, I... I don't think you're ''real''.

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