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* PutOnABus: The Nox, who vanish from ''SG-1'' and the franchise after this episode.
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** Lya appears for the third time, following [[Recap/StargateSG1S1E7TheNox The Nox]] and [[Recap/StargateSG1S1E16Enigma Enigma]].
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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: Somehow every ion cannon protecting the hemisphere of the planet our hero’s are on is in walking distance of the city. Even though the opening shot shows the ion cannon blasts coming from positions hundreds or thousands of kilometres apart. As a planetary defence network would have to be.

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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: Somehow every ion cannon protecting the hemisphere of the planet our hero’s heroes are on is in walking distance of the city. Even though the opening shot shows the ion cannon blasts coming from positions hundreds or thousands of kilometres apart. As a planetary defence network would have to be.



** It should be noted that Lya is cringing or in a ThousandYardStare between when the attack on the Tollans start and when the battle is over, strongly implying that this edged very close to her MoralEventHorizon and a heavy dose of IDidWhatIHadToDo (since being an ActualPacifist meant letting all the Tollan die, which the Nox also do not approve of).

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** It should be noted that Lya is cringing or in a ThousandYardStare between when the attack on the Tollans start starts and when the battle is over, strongly implying that this edged very close to her MoralEventHorizon and a heavy dose of IDidWhatIHadToDo (since being an ActualPacifist meant letting all the Tollan die, which the Nox also do not approve of).
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* CourtroomAntic: The Triad descends into this at times, mostly as a result of Zipacna's SmugSnake tendencies rubbing Jack and Daniel the wrong way.
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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: Somehow every ion cannon protecting the hemisphere of the planet our hero’s are on is in walking distance of the city. Even though the opening shot shows the ion cannon blasts coming from positions hundreds or thousands of kilometres apart. As a planetary defence network would have to be.

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* FashionVictimVillain: All of the Goa'uld could qualify as this, but Zipacna is easily the worst of the lot.
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** It should be noted that Lya is cringing or in a ThousandYardStare between when the attack on the Tollans start and when the battle is over, strongly implying that this edged very close to her MoralEventHorizon and a heavy dose of IDidWhatIHadTo (since being an ActualPacifist meant letting all the Tollan die, which the Nox also do not approve of).

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** It should be noted that Lya is cringing or in a ThousandYardStare between when the attack on the Tollans start and when the battle is over, strongly implying that this edged very close to her MoralEventHorizon and a heavy dose of IDidWhatIHadTo IDidWhatIHadToDo (since being an ActualPacifist meant letting all the Tollan die, which the Nox also do not approve of).
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** At the end of the episode, Lya as well, having only hidden the weapon but not firing it, leaving her technically a pacifist.



-->'''Lya:''' Yes, it is.

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-->'''Lya:''' Yes, it is.is.
** It should be noted that Lya is cringing or in a ThousandYardStare between when the attack on the Tollans start and when the battle is over, strongly implying that this edged very close to her MoralEventHorizon and a heavy dose of IDidWhatIHadTo (since being an ActualPacifist meant letting all the Tollan die, which the Nox also do not approve of).
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* TheRightOfASuperiorSpecies: Zipacna insists that the Goa'uld have a right to use humans as hosts because they are fundamentally superior, drawing a comparison with humans hunting and fishing animals. Daniel counters this by arguing that the only reason the Goa'uld are superior is that they stole their knowledge and technology from other races, including humanity.

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* TheRightOfASuperiorSpecies: Zipacna insists that the Goa'uld have a right to use humans as hosts because they are fundamentally superior, drawing a comparison with humans hunting and fishing animals. Daniel counters this by arguing that the only reason the Goa'uld are superior is that they stole their knowledge and technology from other races, including humanity. Zipacna counters right back by saying it does not matter ''how'' the Goa'uld got the technology. They ''did'', and humanity did not.
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Last appearance of the Nox.
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[[Recap/StargateSG1S1E16Enigma Narim]] visits earth to inform the team that Klorel has crashed his ship on the new Tollan homeworld, and a trial is now to take place to decide whether he should be allowed to maintain possession of his host body or whether it should be given back to Skaara. O'Neill and Daniel agree to act as Skaara's representatives while Klorel is represented by his fellow Goa'uld Zipacna, but Carter and Teal'c soon come to suspect that Zipacna is using the Triad as a cover for his true motives -- launching an attack against Tollana.

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[[Recap/StargateSG1S1E16Enigma Narim]] visits earth Earth to inform the team that Klorel has crashed his ship on the new Tollan homeworld, and a trial is now to take place to decide whether he should be allowed to maintain possession of his host body or whether it should be given back to Skaara. O'Neill and Daniel agree to act as Skaara's representatives while Klorel is represented by his fellow Goa'uld Zipacna, but Carter and Teal'c soon come to suspect that Zipacna is using the Triad as a cover for his true motives -- launching an attack against Tollana.



** Narim sends Schrodinger, the cat that Carter gave to him on his [[Recap/StargateSG1S1E16Enigma first appearance]], through the earth stargate ahead of himself so the SGC know that they're not under attack.

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** Narim sends Schrodinger, the cat that Carter gave to him on his [[Recap/StargateSG1S1E16Enigma first appearance]], through the earth Earth stargate ahead of himself so the SGC know that they're not under attack.



* HigherTechSpecies: The Tollan are far more technologically advanced than earth and even the Goa'uld; unfortunately, this has made them overconfident and blind to their weaknesses.

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* HigherTechSpecies: The Tollan are far more technologically advanced than earth Earth and even the Goa'uld; unfortunately, this has made them overconfident and blind to their weaknesses.



* JerkassHasAPoint: Zipacna actually makes some legally valid, if not morally distasteful, points in his argument. Goa'uld physiology does require them to take an other lifeform as a host; being parasitic is a biological fact that the Goa'uld have no control over. If they remove Klorel from Skaara, he has to be put in another host in order to live. He's also technically right that the human host of a Goa'uld is still alive and aware, so leaving Klorel in Skaara means they will both continue to live. Of course he glosses over the whole AndIMustScream aspect of being a host.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: Zipacna actually makes some legally valid, if not morally distasteful, points in his argument. Goa'uld physiology does require them to take an other another lifeform as a host; being parasitic is a biological fact that the Goa'uld have no control over. If they remove Klorel from Skaara, he has to be put in another host in order to live. He's also technically right that the human host of a Goa'uld is still alive and aware, so leaving Klorel in Skaara means they will both continue to live. Of course he glosses over the whole AndIMustScream aspect of being a host.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Zipacna is right when he points out that Goa'uld physiology requires them to take an other lifeform as a host - being parasitic is a biological fact beyond their control - and that any unfortunate Human taken as a Goa'uld host is still alive and self-aware. He glosses over the whole AndIMustScream aspect of being a host, though.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: Zipacna is right when he actually makes some legally valid, if not morally distasteful, points out that in his argument. Goa'uld physiology requires does require them to take an other lifeform as a host - host; being parasitic is a biological fact beyond their that the Goa'uld have no control - and over. If they remove Klorel from Skaara, he has to be put in another host in order to live. He's also technically right that any unfortunate Human taken as the human host of a Goa'uld host is still alive and self-aware. He aware, so leaving Klorel in Skaara means they will both continue to live. Of course he glosses over the whole AndIMustScream aspect of being a host, though.host.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Zipacna is right when he points out that Goa'uld physiology requires them to take an other lifeform as a host - being parasitic is a biological fact beyond their control - and that any unfortunate Human taken as a Goa'uld host is still alive and self-aware. He glosses over the whole AndIMustScream aspect of being a host, though.
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[[Recap/StargateSG1S1E16Enigma Narim]] visits earth to inform the team that Klorel has crashed his ship on the new Tollan homeworld, and a trial is now to take place to decide whether he should be allowed to maintain possession of his host body or whether it should be given back to Skaara. O'Neill and Daniel agree to act as Skaara's representatives while Klorel is represented by his fellow Goa'uld Zipacna, but Carter and Teal'c soon come to suspect that Zipacna is using the Triad as a cover for his true motives -- launching an attack against Tollana.
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!!"Pretense" provides examples of the following tropes:
* AntiAir: The ion cannons used by the Tollan, capable of taking out Goa'uld motherships that are still in orbit.
* BrainsAndBrawn: Skaara explicitly cites this as his reason for wanting both O'Neill and Daniel to represent him at the Triad, since "O'Neill is strong but Daniel is wise." Though given that the Triad doesn't really involve a lot of physical strength, it's possible he was referring more to O'Neill's strength of character.
* BiggerIsBetter: O'Neill's response when the team learns that the Tollan have managed to build their own stargate:
-->'''O'Neill:''' Ours is bigger.
* ContinuityNod:
** Narim sends Schrodinger, the cat that Carter gave to him on his [[Recap/StargateSG1S1E16Enigma first appearance]], through the earth stargate ahead of himself so the SGC know that they're not under attack.
** Skaara mentions Klorel attempting to kill Daniel with the ribbon device in [[Recap/StargateSG1S1E21WithinTheSerpentsGrasp "Within the Serpent's Grasp".]]
* CourtroomAntic: The Triad descends into this at times, mostly as a result of Zipacna's SmugSnake tendencies rubbing Jack and Daniel the wrong way.
* CourtroomEpisode: Most of the episode revolves around the trial to decide whether Skaara should be given back possession of his body.
* DecidedByOneVote: Predictably, O'Neill and Daniel vote in favor of Skaara keeping his body while Zipacna votes for Klorel, so the outcome of the trial is ultimately decided by [[TrueNeutral Lya]].
* DoggedNiceGuy: Narim doesn't appear to have gotten over his crush on Carter in the two years since they last saw each other. However, she tells him that she is not in the right place for a relationship as her feelings are still confused due to the imprint left by Jolinar.
* FashionVictimVillain: All of the Goa'uld could qualify as this, but Zipacna is easily the worst of the lot.
* FateWorseThanDeath: Skaara describes being a host as such, and Daniel uses this as part of his defense, pointing out that life as a prisoner inside your own body is not really life at all. This is ultimately what sways Lya to vote in favor of Skaara.
* GlassCannon: The Tollan as a whole are this, as they have incredibly advanced and powerful weaponry but are so unused to being at war that they are unable to think strategically and believe themselves to be impervious to attack.
* HigherTechSpecies: The Tollan are far more technologically advanced than earth and even the Goa'uld; unfortunately, this has made them overconfident and blind to their weaknesses.
* IronLady: Chancellor Travell.
* LoopholeAbuse: Zipacna tries to pull this, pointing out that Tollan law does not permit death as a punitive measure and the Goa'uld require hosts to live, so to extract Klorel would be to execute him and thus in violation of their own laws. It doesn't really work however, as it's already been shown that a symbiote can survive outside the human body in the right environment.
* MasterOfIllusion: Lya uses her powers to hide one of the ion cannons from Zipacna's forces by making it invisible.
* TheRightOfASuperiorSpecies: Zipacna insists that the Goa'uld have a right to use humans as hosts because they are fundamentally superior, drawing a comparison with humans hunting and fishing animals. Daniel counters this by arguing that the only reason the Goa'uld are superior is that they stole their knowledge and technology from other races, including humanity.
* SharingABody: The Tollan have developed a device that prevents Klorel from suppressing Skaara's personality, forcing the two of them to share the body equally for the duration of the trial.
* TechnicalPacifist: The Tollan pride themselves on not being a "war-faring people", but they also possess advanced weapons technology capable of obliterating pretty much anything and they definitely aren't afraid to use it if they have to. Lya also proves herself to be this, in contrast to the previous characterization of the Nox as PerfectPacifistPeople, when she helps Teal'c hide one of the ion cannons:
-->'''Carter:''' I thought the Nox were pacifists.
-->'''Lya:''' I only hid the weapon. I did not fire it.
-->'''Carter:''' Huh. Pretty fine line you didn't cross there.
-->'''Lya:''' Yes, it is.

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