History Quotes / GoldenMeanFallacy

-->-- '''Creator/RichardDawkins'''

--> '''Dara O'Briain'''

-->-- '''Bill Maher''', ''Series/RealTimeWithBillMaher'', on ''Series/TheDailyShow'' and ''Series/TheColbertReport'''s "Rally for Sanity"

-->- '''[[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} President Neutral]]'''

->I think it's important to realize that when two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth does not necessarily lie exactly halfway between them. It is possible for one side to be simply wrong.

->Sometimes I worry that my squeamishness about making sharp judgments, pro or con, makes me unfit for the slam-bang world of daily journalism. Other times I conclude that it makes me ideally suited for newspapering--certainly for the rigors and conventions of modern 'objective' journalism. For I can dispose of my dilemmas by writing stories straight down the middle. I can search for the halfway point between the best and the worst that might be said about someone (or some policy or idea) and write my story in that fair-minded place. By aiming for the golden mean, I probably land near the best approximation of truth more often than if I were guided by any other set of compasses--partisan, ideological, psychological, whatever... Yes, I am seeking truth. But I'm also seeking refuge. I'm taking a pass on the toughest calls I face.

-> Live free or don't.

->"It's called the gray fallacy. One person says white, another says black, and outside observers assume gray is the truth. The assumption of gray is sloppy, lazy thinking. The fact that one person is diametrically opposed to the truth does not then skew reality so the truth is no longer the truth."

->When people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.

-> '''Sophie''': I hate infection. But then again, who likes them? Maybe the people who make penicillin.
-> '''Alex''': Well, there's two sides to every story.
-> '''Sophie''': That's true. Except for the Nazis. I can't really see the other side of that argument.

->A veteran science journalist recently wrote: "Reporters are messengers -- their job is to tell, as accurately as they can, what has been said, with the benefit of such insight as their experience allows them to bring, not to second guess whether what is said is right." That's rubbish. If you are not actually providing any analysis, if you're not effectively 'taking a side', then you are just a messenger, a middleman, a megaphone with ears. If that's your idea of journalism, then my RSS reader is a journalist.

-> ''There's kind of a notion that 'everyone's opinion is equally valid'. My arse! A bloke who's a professor of dentistry for forty years does ''not'' have a debate with some idiot who removes his teeth with string and a door, right! It's nonsense! And it happens all the time with medical stuff on the television. You'll have a doctor on, and they'll talk to the doctor and go 'oh, doctor this' and 'doctor that', and 'what happened there' and 'doctor, isn't it awful, right?' And then the doctor will be talking about something with all the benefit of research and medical evidence. And then they'll turn ''away'' from the doctor in the name of 'balance' and turn to some... [[SpiceRackPanacea quack witch-doctor]] [[AllNaturalSnakeOil homeopath horseshit peddler]] on the other side of the studio! And I'm sorry if you're into homeopathy -- ''it's water''!''

-->--'''William Hazlitt''', "On Common-Place Critics"

-->--'''Edward Abbey''', ''A Voice Crying In the Wilderness''

-> '''Jeff''': I just think we were both wrong.\\

->'' "And I am proud to announce, that in the deepest tradition of democracy, that everyone walked away [from the budget negotiations] unhappy. No one got everything they wanted. The Democrats were unhappy about programs being cut. The Republicans were unhappy that the cuts weren't deep enough. The tea party was unhappy about the placement of the cuts, and also that I was not born in America." ''
-->--Saturday Night Live, [[TruthInTelevision President Obama]] [[HilariousInHindsight parody]]

-> '' "Suppose I say we need a hundred foot bridge to cross a hundred foot chasm. That makes me an extremist. Someone else says that we don't need a bridge because we don't need to cross the chasm in the first place. That makes him an extremist. The third guy is a centrist because he proposes building a fifty foot bridge ending in mid-air. As an extremist, I'll tell you that the other extremist has a much better grasp of the situation than the centrist. The two extremists have a serious disagreement about what to do. The centrist has no idea what to do and doesn't want to bother figuring it out." ''
-->--Jonah Goldberg, ''The Tyranny of Cliches''

-> '''Laverne:''' (during an argument over the war in Iraq) Ted, what do you think?
-> '''Ted:''' I think both sides have valid points.
-> '''Dr Cox:''' Way to take a stand, sweat-balls.

-> '' "If you’ve ever been in the same room with a complete weasel and a mediator or counselor, it’s a sure lose situation unless you’re an even bigger weasel. The mediator will approach things from the unshakable paradigm that the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. The weasel wins big – he makes you look far worse than you are and he ends up looking far better than he is. You end up being pushed down to the same level as the weasel." ''

->''"If {{CNN}} did sports reporting, every game would be a tie.''"

->'''Kang:''' (disguised as Bob Dole) Abortions for all!\\
'''Crowd:''' Booo!\\
'''Kang:''' All right, then. No abortions for anyone!\\
'''Crowd:''' Booo!\\
'''Kang:''' Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!\\
'''Crowd:''' Yaaay!
-->--''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''

-->--''TheSimpsons''

-->-- '''RichardDawkins'''

-->- '''[[{{Futurama}} President Neutral]]'''

-->- '''Tycho Celchu''', ''[[XWingSeries Isard's Revenge]]''

-->-- '''''TheDailyShow'''''

->This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true, you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't, then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died, he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks, and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr. Clever Dick in these parts...".
-->- ''[[Literature/{{Discworld}} Hogfather]]''

-->-- '''Kosh''', ''{{Babylon 5}}''

-->- ''[[DiscWorld Hogfather]]''

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->This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true, you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't, then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died, he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks, and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr. Clever Dick in these parts...".

->"It's called the gray fallacy. One person says white, another says black, and outside observers assume gray is the truth. The assumption of gray is sloppy, lazy thinking. The fact that one person is diametrically opposed to the truth does not then skew reality so the truth is no longer the truth."

-->- '''IsaacAsimov''', ''[[http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm The Relativity of Wrong]]''

-> '''Alex''': Well, there's two sides to every story.

-> '''Dr Cox:''' Way to take a stand, sweat-balls.

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->'''Kang:''' Abortions for all!\\

-->-- ''{{Community}}''

->A veteran science journalist recently wrote: “Reporters are messengers – their job is to tell, as accurately as they can, what has been said, with the benefit of such insight as their experience allows them to bring, not to second guess whether what is said is right”. That’s rubbish. If you are not actually providing any analysis, if you’re not effectively “taking a side”, then you are just a messenger, a middleman, a megaphone with ears. If that’s your idea of journalism, then my RSS reader is a journalist.

->This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If its all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isnt then you've lost nothing right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts...".

-> ''There's kind of a notion that 'everyone's opinion is equally valid'. My arse! A bloke who's a professor of dentistry for forty years does ''not'' have a debate with some idiot who removes his teeth with string and a door, right! It's nonsense! And it happens all the time with medical stuff on the television. You'll have a doctor on, and they'll talk to the doctor and go 'oh, doctor this' and 'doctor that', and 'what happened there' and 'doctor, isn't it awful, right?' And then the doctor will be talking about something with all the benefit of research and medical evidence. And then they'll turn ''away'' from the doctor in the name of 'balance' and turn to some... [[SpiceRackPanacea quack witch-doctor]] [[AllNaturalSnakeOil homeopath horseshit peddler]] on the other side of the studio! And I'm sorry if you're in to homeopathy -- ''it's water''!''

-->-- '''Richard Dawkins'''