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* '''Played For Drama:''' Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster responds by ''assaulting'' Jake, launching into a "BreakThemByTalking" lecture about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''. Jake pulls a pistol. So does Monty. The screen blanks and a shot rings out. It is left ambiguous as to who died.
** Alternatively and less violently, Jake's tirade is an ArmorPiercingResponse, as it instantly reminds Monty of how Jake's mother, Molly, criticized him in a similar fashion. Molly divorced him five years ago, and Jake's criticism strikes Monty to the core, making him realize that on top of driving away the woman he loved, he's also doing the same thing to his son. Jake doesn't give him a chance to repent or make it better, cutting him out of his life, and all Monty can do is wallow in despair over his failures.

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Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster Monty responds by ''assaulting'' assaulting Jake, launching into a "BreakThemByTalking" lecture about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''. Jake pulls a pistol. So does Monty. The screen blanks and a shot rings out. It is left ambiguous as to who died.
** Alternatively and less violently, Jake's tirade is an ArmorPiercingResponse, as it instantly reminds Monty of how Jake's mother, Molly, criticized him in a similar fashion. Molly divorced him five years ago, and Jake's criticism strikes Monty to the core, making him realize that on top of driving away the woman he loved, he's also doing the same thing to his son. Jake doesn't give him a chance to repent or make it better, cutting him out of his life, and all Monty can do is wallow in despair over his failures.

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* '''Downplayed''': Monty gives Jake a harsh critique and Jake tells him he's a jerk.
* '''Justified''': Monty really deserves to be chastised for how horribly he's treated his son.

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* '''Downplayed''': Monty gives Jake a harsh critique and Jake tells him he's a jerk.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
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Monty really deserves to be chastised for how horribly he's treated his son.son.
** Jake has been dependent on Monty for a majority of his life, making it easy for Monty to abuse and belittle him. Once Jake finally moves out and gets into a much safer place where Monty doesn't have control over him anymore, he's a lot more self-confident and capable of ripping Monty apart verbally without fear, because Monty lacks anything to punish him with, no matter how much Monty claims otherwise.



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** Jason gets ready to rip into Monty, but decides against it. He reasons that trying to do it to a man who's as stubborn, abusive, and all around scummy as Monty will either do nothing, or encourage Monty to amplify the abuse in retaliation. Instead, he just cuts his losses and chooses to cut Monty out of his life entirely.
* '''Discussed''': ???"Jake's really approaching his limit with his dad. I don't know what will happen next when he eventually explodes."



** Alternatively and less violently, Jake's tirade is an ArmorPiercingResponse, as it instantly reminds Monty of how Jake's mother, Molly, criticized him in a similar fashion. Molly divorced him five years ago, and Jake's criticism strikes Monty to the core, making him realize that on top of driving away the woman he loved, he's also doing the same thing to his son. Jake doesn't give him a chance to repent or make it better, cutting him out of his life, and all Monty can do is wallow in despair over his failures.



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** Regardless of [[ParentsAsPeople whatever dumb and mean things Jake has done]], Jake still loves his father and refuses to chew him out.


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** One drunken night too many still leads to Jake grumbling out a "help me here, would you please, ya booze hound?" as he helps Monty get home.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnedest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long. Jake finally snaps and gives him TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in the form of a PunctuatedPounding ExtremeMeleeRevenge, all so that Monty can have [[AtasteofTheirownmedicine a taste of his own medicine]] and Jake can [[WhosLaughingNow never be insulted]] again.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnedest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long. Jake finally snaps and gives him TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in the form of a PunctuatedPounding ExtremeMeleeRevenge, all so that Monty can have [[AtasteofTheirownmedicine [[ATasteOfTheirOwnMedicine a taste of his own medicine]] and Jake can [[WhosLaughingNow never be insulted]] again.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnedest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long. Jake finally snaps and gives him TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in the form of a PunctuatedPounding ExtremeMeleeRevenge.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnedest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long. Jake finally snaps and gives him TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in the form of a PunctuatedPounding ExtremeMeleeRevenge.ExtremeMeleeRevenge, all so that Monty can have [[AtasteofTheirownmedicine a taste of his own medicine]] and Jake can [[WhosLaughingNow never be insulted]] again.
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** Jason has been taking advantage of his father Mason's compassion, but Mason finally calls him on it.

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** [[CallingTheYoungManOut Jason has been taking advantage of his father Mason's compassion, but Mason finally calls him on it.]]
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** Nick, Jake's [[VitriolicBestBuds Vitriolic Best Bud]], gives Monty a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about how his poor parenting messed Jake up. Said speech quickly a devolves into Nick roasting ''Jake'' instead of Monty, leading to a thoroughly annoyed Jake cutting him off.

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** Nick, Jake's [[VitriolicBestBuds Vitriolic Best Bud]], gives Monty a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about how his poor parenting messed Jake up. Said speech quickly a devolves into Nick roasting ''Jake'' instead of Monty, Jake for five minutes straight, leading to a thoroughly annoyed Jake cutting him off.

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* '''Played For Laughs:''' Monty is an average, non-abusive dad. Jake, when he calls him out, [[LargeHam hams out to the best of his ability]] and lists ''every'' single bad thing he has ever done. "You stiffed me on my allowance in August 1983, and I always had to take out the garbage..." The speech ends three hours later.

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* '''Played For Laughs:''' Monty Laughs:'''
**Monty
is an average, non-abusive dad. Jake, when he calls him out, [[LargeHam hams out to the best of his ability]] and lists ''every'' single bad thing he has ever done. "You stiffed me on my allowance in August 1983, and I always had to take out the garbage..." The speech ends three hours later.later.
** Nick, Jake's [[VitriolicBestBuds Vitriolic Best Bud]], gives Monty a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about how his poor parenting messed Jake up. Said speech quickly a devolves into Nick roasting ''Jake'' instead of Monty, leading to a thoroughly annoyed Jake cutting him off.
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** Shannon, Sharon's manipluative mother, confronts her daughter with the claim that Sharon doesn't appreciate everything she's ''sacrificed'' for her.

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** Shannon, Sharon's manipluative manipulative mother, confronts her daughter with the claim that Sharon doesn't appreciate everything she's ''sacrificed'' for her.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long. Jake finally snaps and gives him TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in the form of a PunctuatedPounding ExtremeMeleeRevenge.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnest damnedest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long. Jake finally snaps and gives him TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in the form of a PunctuatedPounding ExtremeMeleeRevenge.

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* '''Implied''': Jake has been doing his damnedest to be TheDutifulSon even when Monty has treated him like shit for the whole film, and when they meet for dinner near the climax, Monty hits Jake's RageBreakingPoint. Cut to three hours later to Jake standing in front of his girlfriend Alice's door, looking like he went nine rounds against a horde of angry pitbulls... and won.



* '''Defied''': Monty engages in emotional manipulation and guilt tricks to manipulate Jake into thinking that everything that happens is his fault.

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Monty engages in emotional manipulation and guilt tricks to manipulate Jake into thinking that everything that happens is his fault.fault.
** Monty refuses to give a shit about Jake's tirade. He sits there very quietly (almost pointedly ignoring him) and the moment Jake gets it out of his system, Monty calls whatever bluffs Jake tried to use to make him back down and keeps treating him the same way (that is, if he doesn't decides to escalate to give Jake a ''very'' good reason to fear him ''more'').
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* '''Exploited''': Charlie, a rival of Monty, gets wind of the tension between Jake and his father, using this knowledge to his advantage by swaying Jake to his side and pitting him against his father even further.

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* '''Exploited''': Charlie, a rival of Monty, Monty's enemy, gets wind of the tension between Jake and his father, using father and uses this knowledge to his advantage by swaying to sway Jake to his side and pitting pit him against his father even further.
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* '''Exploited''': Someone else deliberately sets this up so Jake would willingly join their side.

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* '''Exploited''': Someone else deliberately sets Charlie, a rival of Monty, gets wind of the tension between Jake and his father, using this up so knowledge to his advantage by swaying Jake would willingly join their side.to his side and pitting him against his father even further.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Monty's in for a nasty surprise; Status Quo ''Isn't'' God in this case, and when Jake tells Monty he's not about to take any more of Monty's crap anymore, Jake means it only too well. The first time Monty tries to pull any of his old JerkAss tricks again, Jake gives him the hiding of a lifetime and then cuts Monty out of his life forever, leaving Monty alone and powerless unless he changes his ways.

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* '''Reconstructed''': Monty's in for a nasty surprise; Status Quo ''Isn't'' God in this case, and when Jake tells Monty he's not about to take any more of Monty's crap anymore, Jake means it only too well. The first time Monty tries to pull any of his old JerkAss {{Jerkass}} tricks again, Jake gives him the hiding of a lifetime and then cuts Monty out of his life forever, leaving Monty alone and powerless unless he changes his ways.



* '''Played For Drama:''' Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster responds by ''assaulting'' Jake, launching into an BreakingSpeech about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''. Jake pulls a pistol. So does Monty. The screen blanks and a shot rings out. It is left ambiguous as to who died.

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* '''Played For Drama:''' Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster responds by ''assaulting'' Jake, launching into an BreakingSpeech a "BreakThemByTalking" lecture about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''. Jake pulls a pistol. So does Monty. The screen blanks and a shot rings out. It is left ambiguous as to who died.



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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???Someone else deliberately sets this up so Jake would willingly join their side.
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** But it doesn't help that his Monty's complaining makes him even more wangsty.

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** But it doesn't help that his Monty's complaining harshness makes him even more wangsty.

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* '''Subverted''': Given a chance to call Monty out, Jake stays silent.

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Given a chance to call Monty out, Jake stays silent.silent.
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** But it doesn't help that his Monty's complaining makes him even more wangsty.
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* '''Downplayed''': ???

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* '''Downplayed''': ???Monty gives Jake a harsh critique and Jake tells him he's a jerk.
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* '''Played For Laughs:''' Monty is an average, non-abusive dad. Jake, when he calls him out, [[LargeHam hams out to the best of his ability]] and lists ''every'' single bad thing he has ever done. "You stiffed me on my allowance in August 1983, and I always had to take out the garbage..." The speech only ends three hours later.
* '''Played For Drama:''' Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster responds by ''assaulting'' Jake, launching into an HannibalLecture about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''. Jake pulls a pistol. So does Monty. The screen blanks and a shot rings out. it is left ambiguous as to who died.

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* '''Played For Laughs:''' Monty is an average, non-abusive dad. Jake, when he calls him out, [[LargeHam hams out to the best of his ability]] and lists ''every'' single bad thing he has ever done. "You stiffed me on my allowance in August 1983, and I always had to take out the garbage..." The speech only ends three hours later.
* '''Played For Drama:''' Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster responds by ''assaulting'' Jake, launching into an HannibalLecture BreakingSpeech about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''. Jake pulls a pistol. So does Monty. The screen blanks and a shot rings out. it It is left ambiguous as to who died.

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* '''Downplayed''': ???



* '''Parodied''': Monty acts in a monstrous fashion to Jake without any sign of any reaction or resentment from Jake. The very second Monty does something mildly irritating however, like spill salt on the table, [[BerserkButton Jake lets him have it with both barrels]].
* '''Deconstructed''': Jake calls out Monty, but he doesn't give a damn; this nasty treatment has worked all this time, so he's not about to change now. He keeps acting up, fully expecting Jake to fold because StatusQuoIsGod.
* '''Reconstructed''': Monty's in for a nasty surprise; Status Quo ''Isn't'' God in this case, and when Jake tells Monty he's not about to take any more of Monty's crap anymore, Jake means it only too well. The first time Monty tries to pull any of his old JerkAss tricks again, Jake gives him the hiding of a lifetime and then cuts Monty out of his life forever, leaving Monty alone and powerless unless he changes his ways.

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* '''Parodied''': Monty acts in a monstrous fashion to Jake without any sign of any reaction or resentment from Jake. The very second Monty does something mildly irritating however, like spill salt on the table, [[BerserkButton Jake lets him have it with both barrels]]. \n* '''Deconstructed''': Jake calls out Monty, but he doesn't give a damn; this nasty treatment has worked all this time, so he's not about to change now. He keeps acting up, fully expecting Jake to fold because StatusQuoIsGod.\n* '''Reconstructed''': Monty's in for a nasty surprise; Status Quo ''Isn't'' God in this case, and when Jake tells Monty he's not about to take any more of Monty's crap anymore, Jake means it only too well. The first time Monty tries to pull any of his old JerkAss tricks again, Jake gives him the hiding of a lifetime and then cuts Monty out of his life forever, leaving Monty alone and powerless unless he changes his ways.



* '''Exploited''': ???



* '''Deconstructed''': Jake calls out Monty, but he doesn't give a damn; this nasty treatment has worked all this time, so he's not about to change now. He keeps acting up, fully expecting Jake to fold because StatusQuoIsGod.
* '''Reconstructed''': Monty's in for a nasty surprise; Status Quo ''Isn't'' God in this case, and when Jake tells Monty he's not about to take any more of Monty's crap anymore, Jake means it only too well. The first time Monty tries to pull any of his old JerkAss tricks again, Jake gives him the hiding of a lifetime and then cuts Monty out of his life forever, leaving Monty alone and powerless unless he changes his ways.







* God dammit man, stop telling me what to do! I am perfectly capable of going back up to the top of the page and clicking on the "main" button if I so choose. The only reason I take your crap in the first place is because I'm afraid that if I stand up for myself, you'll have a stroke! And furthermore...
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\n* God ->God dammit man, stop telling me what to do! I am perfectly capable of going back up to the top of the page and clicking on the "main" button if I so choose. The only reason I take your crap in the first place is because I'm afraid that if I stand up for myself, you'll have a stroke! And furthermore...
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???Monty and Jake argue back and forth with each other, both making valid criticisms about the other.

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* '''Inverted''': Jason has been taking advantage of his father Mason's compassion, but Mason finally calls him on it.

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Jason has been taking advantage of his father Mason's compassion, but Mason finally calls him on it.



* '''Double Subverted''': Given a chance to call Monty out, Jake is quiet for some time before musing, "Gee, where to begin..." and ''then'' winding up into his tirade.

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Given a chance to call Monty out, Jake is quiet for some time before musing, "Gee, where to begin..." and ''then'' winding up into his tirade.



* '''Enforced''': The writer has a chip on their shoulder about their own father and the poor relationship they had, and has decided to call out his own father through a fictional equivalent.

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The writer has a chip on their shoulder about their own father and the poor relationship they had, and has decided to call out his own father through a fictional equivalent.
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** Monty is TheScrappy for what he's done and the writers [[TakeThatScrappy have something bad to happen to him to please the fans.]]

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* '''Played For Drama:''' Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster responds by ''assaulting'' Jake, launching into an HannibalLecture about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''.

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* '''Played For Drama:''' Jake calls out Monty at a bad time, and the already emotionally unstable and abusive monster responds by ''assaulting'' Jake, launching into an HannibalLecture about how his "worthless son" has been living off his hard-earned money all this time and owes him his very ''life''.
''life''. Jake pulls a pistol. So does Monty. The screen blanks and a shot rings out. it is left ambiguous as to who died.
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Back to CallingTheOldManOut.

GodsDammit man, stop telling me what to do! I am perfectly capable of going back up to the top of the page and clicking on the "main" button if I so choose. The only reason I take your crap in the first place is because I'm afraid that if I stand up for myself, you'll have a stroke! And furthermore...

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*God dammit
man, stop telling me what to do! I am perfectly capable of going back up to the top of the page and clicking on the "main" button if I so choose. The only reason I take your crap in the first place is because I'm afraid that if I stand up for myself, you'll have a stroke! And furthermore...
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** Given a chance to call Monty out, Jake stays silent. But Jake's best friend Bob won't let the chance pass, and start calling Monty out. Jake remains silent, only staring at Monty vehemently instead of defending him.
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* '''Played For Laughs:''' ???

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* '''Played For Laughs:''' ???Monty is an average, non-abusive dad. Jake, when he calls him out, [[LargeHam hams out to the best of his ability]] and lists ''every'' single bad thing he has ever done. "You stiffed me on my allowance in August 1983, and I always had to take out the garbage..." The speech only ends three hours later.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Monty is a selfish, egocentric, abusive {{Jerkass}} who has done his damnest to drag his son down with him, blaming him for his mother's death, regularly beating him, and just generally making it somewhat of a miracle that Jake has ''lived'' this long. Jake finally snaps and gives him TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in the form of a PunctuatedPounding ExtremeMeleeRevenge.
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** Shannon, Sharon's manipluative mother, confronts her daughter with the claim that Sharon doesn't appreciate everything she's ''sacrified'' for her.

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** Shannon, Sharon's manipluative mother, confronts her daughter with the claim that Sharon doesn't appreciate everything she's ''sacrified'' ''sacrificed'' for her.

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