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** Bob is not perfect, and arranges things so that Chris will have to face this fact and not descend into unhealthy, blind HeroWorship. Shattering Chris' unrealistic expectations of Bob is a good thing, because it forces him to acknowledge that [[HumansAreFlawed no one is flawless]]. It was also a form of nipping a problem in the bud. Now Chris won't have to deal with this revelation after holding Bob on a pedestal for so long that he: A) goes into denial, B) becomes a broken, jaded shell of a man, or C) shuts down completely.

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** Bob is not perfect, and deliberately arranges things so that Chris will have to face this fact and not descend into unhealthy, blind HeroWorship. Shattering break Chris' [[HeroWorship unrealistic expectations expectations]] of Bob is a good thing, because it forces Bob, to force him to acknowledge that [[HumansAreFlawed no one is flawless]]. It flawless]].
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was also a form of nipping a problem in the bud. Now Chris won't have to deal with this revelation after holding Bob on a pedestal for so long that he: A) goes into denial, B) becomes a broken, jaded shell of a man, or C) shuts down completely.simply an act.



** Chris finally meets Bob, someone he greatly admires, and furiously talks about how much of a jerk he was. It turns out Bob only treated Chris this way because Chris was [[StalkerWithoutACrush relentlessly hounding him]] until he got feed up.
** Chris was always aware Bob was never a good person, he learned under him for his skills not his moral character.



** Alternatively, Chris finally realizes that Bob was always a simple asshole instead of the KnightInSourArmor he always thought he was; it's just that he (and Bob) have never let himself admit it.

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** Alternatively, Chris finally realizes that Bob was always a simple asshole instead of the KnightInSourArmor he always thought he was; it's just that he (and Bob) have never let himself admit it.



** Alternatively, Chris realizes that what Bob does doesn't really matter as long as Chris is still a good person.

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** Alternatively, Chris realizes that what Bob does doesn't really matter as long as Chris is still a good person.

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** Chris confronts [[BigBad Alice]], who he blames for Bob's FaceHeelTurn. No, Alice had nothing to do with it. Looks like Bob was just using Chris to get rid of the competition.
Bob was nothing more than her [[EvilAllAlong flunky all along.]]

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** Chris confronts [[BigBad Alice]], who he blames for Bob's FaceHeelTurn. No, Alice had nothing to do with it. Looks like Bob was just using Chris to get rid of the competition.
competition. Or Bob was nothing more than her [[EvilAllAlong flunky all along.]]
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** Bob wasn't [[BrainwashedAndCrazy doing those]] [[ForcedIntoEvil things willingly]]. [[BigBad Alice]] has Bob under her command, under duress, and and Chris knows it. He's going to save the anger for the ones who did this to Bob.

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** Bob wasn't [[BrainwashedAndCrazy doing those]] [[ForcedIntoEvil things willingly]]. [[BigBad Alice]] has Bob under her command, under duress, and and Chris knows it. He's going to save the anger for the ones who did this to Bob.
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** Bob wasn't [[BrainwashedAndCrazy doing those]] [[ForcedIntoEvil things willingly]], and Chris knows it. He's going to save the anger for [[BigBad Alice]], who did this to Bob.

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** Bob wasn't [[BrainwashedAndCrazy doing those]] [[ForcedIntoEvil things willingly]], willingly]]. [[BigBad Alice]] has Bob under her command, under duress, and and Chris knows it. He's going to save the anger for [[BigBad Alice]], the ones who did this to Bob.



** Chris confronts finds [[BigBad Alice]], who he blames for Bob's FaceHeelTurn. No, Alice had nothing to do with it. Looks like Bob was just using Chris to get rid of the competition.

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** Chris confronts finds [[BigBad Alice]], who he blames for Bob's FaceHeelTurn. No, Alice had nothing to do with it. Looks like Bob was just using Chris to get rid of the competition.

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** Bob wasn't [[BrainwashedAndCrazy doing those]] [[ForcedIntoEvil things willingly]], and Chris knows it. He's going to save the anger for the parties who did this to Bob.

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** Bob wasn't [[BrainwashedAndCrazy doing those]] [[ForcedIntoEvil things willingly]], and Chris knows it. He's going to save the anger for the parties [[BigBad Alice]], who did this to Bob.


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** Chris confronts finds [[BigBad Alice]], who he blames for Bob's FaceHeelTurn. No, Alice had nothing to do with it. Looks like Bob was just using Chris to get rid of the competition.
Bob was nothing more than her [[EvilAllAlong flunky all along.]]
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** Bob wasn't [[BrainwashedAndCrazy doing those]] [[ForcedIntoEvil things willingly]], and Chris knows it. He's going to save the anger for the parties who did this to Bob.
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** Chris knew Bob was a terrible person, he valued his lessons but not his character.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character's mentor/role model doesn't live up to the high pedestal on which the protégé placed them.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character's mentor/role model doesn't live up to the high pedestal on which what the protégé placed upon them.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character comes to despise his/her mentor or idol for evil actions.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character comes character's mentor/role model doesn't live up to despise his/her mentor or idol for evil actions.the high pedestal on which the protégé placed them.
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** Chris turns out to a bad person himself, and is pleased to find out who Bob really is.

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** Chris turns out to be a bad person himself, and is pleased to find out who Bob really is.

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* '''Subverted''': Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a good person.
* '''Double Subverted''': Then Chris learns about all the [[MoralEventHorizon downright nasty crimes]] Bob has committed.

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Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a good person.
** Chris turns out to a bad person himself, and is pleased to find out who Bob really is.
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Then Chris learns about all the [[MoralEventHorizon downright nasty crimes]] Bob has committed.committed.
** That is until Bob fails to live up the VillainousVirtues Chris expected him to have.

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* '''Justified''': [[FaceHeelTurn Bob was forced into a life of crime due to living in a]] CrapsackWorld.

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[[FaceHeelTurn Bob was forced into a life of crime due to living in a]] CrapsackWorld.
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** Bob is not perfect, and arranges things so that Chris will have to face this fact and not descend into unhealthy, blind HeroWorship. Shattering Chris' unrealistic expectations of Bob is a good thing, because it forces him to acknowledge that [[HumansAreFlawed no one is flawless]]. It was also a form of nipping a problem in the bud. Now Chris won't have to deal with this revelation after holding Bob on a pedestal for so long that he: A) goes into denial, B) becomes a broken, jaded shell of a man, or C) shuts down completely.


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** Chris' respect for Bob was turning into the kind of blind HeroWorship that the latter despised; he doesn't like being put on a pedestal in the first place. He decides to leave clues that will allow Chris to catch him breaking the law so as to shatter his student's unrealistic view of him.

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* '''Subverted''':
** Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a good person.
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'''Subverted''': Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a good person.
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* '''Subverted''': Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a good person.

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* '''Subverted''': Chris '''Subverted''':
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has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a good person.person.
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* '''Parodied''': Chris becomes disillusioned with Bob for [[{{Narm}} horrendous crimes]] [[ImpossiblyTackyClothes against fashion]].

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* '''Parodied''': Chris becomes disillusioned with Bob for [[{{Narm}} [[FelonyMisdemeanor horrendous crimes]] [[ImpossiblyTackyClothes against fashion]].

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'''Basic Trope''': A character's mentor or idol becomes loathed by them for evil actions.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character's character comes to despise his/her mentor or idol becomes loathed by them for evil actions.



* '''Exaggerated''': Bob, once a pacifist and a lover of kittens, has crossed the MoralEventHorizon and is barely recognised as Chris' original mentor, such is the atrocity of his crimes.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Bob, once a pacifist and a lover of kittens, has crossed the MoralEventHorizon and is barely recognised recognized as Chris' original mentor, such is the atrocity of his crimes.



** Alternately, Chris is the one who starts committing crimes using the training he got from Bob, [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil much to Bob's disgust when he finds out.]]
* '''Subverted''': Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a Good person

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** Alternately, Chris is the one who starts committing crimes using the training he got from Bob, [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil much to Bob's deep disgust when he finds out.]]
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* '''Subverted''': Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a Good persongood person.



** Bob appears to be committing crimes, but then it turns out he has good intentions behind them, according with his original teachings. Then Chris learns this is just a cover-up to commit horrendous acts - it then transpires someone told him this, and it is a [[BlatantLies blatant lie]].

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** Bob appears to be committing crimes, but then it turns out he has good intentions behind them, according with his original teachings. Then Chris learns this is just a cover-up to commit horrendous acts - -- it then transpires someone told him this, and it is a [[BlatantLies blatant lie]].



** Bob's enemies have caught up to him and he needs Chris to be far away when they inevitably kill him. [[ZeroApprovalGambit So, he does something to destroy Chris's trust in him so that his apprentice will be safe]].
* '''Defied''': Bob is highly disillusioned by the CrapsackWorld, but decides keeping his principles is more important, especially with all the people he influenced over his life looking up to him.
* '''Discussed''': "That Bob has started [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking beating up pensioners, raping kittens, and littering]] - how long before Chris finds him, and loses all faith in him?"

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** Bob's enemies have caught up to him and he needs Chris to be far away when they inevitably kill him. [[ZeroApprovalGambit So, So he does something to destroy Chris's Chris' trust in him so that his apprentice will be safe]].
safe.]]
* '''Defied''': Bob is highly disillusioned by the CrapsackWorld, but decides [[PrinciplesZealot keeping his principles is more important, important]], especially with all the people he influenced over his life looking up to him.
* '''Implied''': Chris is glad to welcome Bob into his hometown one day. A few days later, however, Bob has [[PersonaNonGrata been banned]] from Chris' hometown.
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'''Discussed''': "That Bob has started [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking beating up pensioners, raping kittens, and littering]] - -- how long before Chris finds him, and loses all faith in him?"



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** Bob's enemies have caught up to him and he needs Chris to be far away when they inevitably kill him. [[BreakHerHeartToSaveHer So, he does something to destroy Chris's trust in him so that his apprentice will be safe]].

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** Bob's enemies have caught up to him and he needs Chris to be far away when they inevitably kill him. [[BreakHerHeartToSaveHer [[ZeroApprovalGambit So, he does something to destroy Chris's trust in him so that his apprentice will be safe]].

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* '''Exploited''': Bob is a GoodIsNotNice SinkOrSwimMentor who needs Chris to fight his own battles and no longer rely on him. Or Bob's enemies have caught up to him and he needs Chris to be far away when they inevitably kill him. [[BreakHerHeartToSaveHer So, he does something to destroy Chris's trust in him so that his apprentice will be safe]].

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Bob is a GoodIsNotNice SinkOrSwimMentor who needs Chris to fight his own battles and no longer rely on him. Or him.
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Bob's enemies have caught up to him and he needs Chris to be far away when they inevitably kill him. [[BreakHerHeartToSaveHer So, he does something to destroy Chris's trust in him so that his apprentice will be safe]].
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* '''Downplayed''': ???

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* '''Downplayed''': ???Chris discovers that his mentor, Bob, has sold out and started churning out useless self-help guides for a quick buck, causing Chris to feel somewhat contemptuous.
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???Bob is a GoodIsNotNice SinkOrSwimMentor who needs Chris to fight his own battles and no longer rely on him. Or Bob's enemies have caught up to him and he needs Chris to be far away when they inevitably kill him. [[BreakHerHeartToSaveHer So, he does something to destroy Chris's trust in him so that his apprentice will be safe]].
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* '''Justified''': [[FaceHeelTurn Bob became was forced into a life of crime from living in a]] CrapsackWorld.

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* '''Justified''': [[FaceHeelTurn Bob became was forced into a life of crime from due to living in a]] CrapsackWorld.
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'''Broken Pedestal''': A character's mentor or idol becomes loathed by them for evil actions.

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'''Broken Pedestal''': '''Basic Trope''': A character's mentor or idol becomes loathed by them for evil actions.

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* '''Downplayed''': ???



* '''Deconstructed''':
** Chris spirals into depression over the intense hypocrisy of Bob's good teachings and his current evil actions.
** Alternatively, Chris finally realizes that Bob was always a simple asshole instead of the KnightInSourArmor he always thought he was; it's just that he (and Bob) have never let himself admit it.
* '''Reconstructed''':
** Chris takes strength from his original teachings, and they allow him to call out his ex-mentor for his descent into villainy.
** Alternatively, Chris realizes that what Bob does doesn't really matter as long as Chris is still a good person.



** Bob appears to be committing crimes, but then it turns out he has good intentions behind them, according with his original teachings. Then Chris learns this is just a cover-up to commit horrendous acts - it then transpires someone told him this, and it is a [[BlatantLies blatant lie]].

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** Bob appears to be committing crimes, but then it turns out he has good intentions behind them, according with his original teachings. Then Chris learns this is just a cover-up to commit horrendous acts - it then transpires someone told him this, and it is a [[BlatantLies blatant lie]].



* '''Exploited''': ???



* '''Deconstructed''':
** Chris spirals into depression over the intense hypocrisy of Bob's good teachings and his current evil actions.
** Alternatively, Chris finally realizes that Bob was always a simple asshole instead of the KnightInSourArmor he always thought he was; it's just that he (and Bob) have never let himself admit it.
* '''Reconstructed''':
** Chris takes strength from his original teachings, and they allow him to call out his ex-mentor for his descent into villainy.
** Alternatively, Chris realizes that what Bob does doesn't really matter as long as Chris is still a good person.



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* '''Inverted''': Bob used to train villains to commit crimes, and now does good acts instead.

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Bob used to train villains to commit crimes, and now does good acts instead.



* '''Deconstructed''': Chris spirals into depression over the intense hypocrisy of Bob's good teachings and his current evil actions.

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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
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Chris spirals into depression over the intense hypocrisy of Bob's good teachings and his current evil actions.



* '''Reconstructed''': Chris takes strength from his original teachings, and they allow him to call out his ex-mentor for his descent into villainy.

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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
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Chris takes strength from his original teachings, and they allow him to call out his ex-mentor for his descent into villainy.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob appears to be committing crimes, but then it turns out he has good intentions behind them, according with his original teachings. Then Chris learns this is just a cover-up to commit horrendous acts - it then transpires someone told him this, and it is a [[BlatantLies blatant lie]].

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Bob appears to be committing crimes, but then it turns out he has good intentions behind them, according with his original teachings. Then Chris learns this is just a cover-up to commit horrendous acts - it then transpires someone told him this, and it is a [[BlatantLies blatant lie]].
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'''Broken Pedestal''': A character's mentor becomes loathed by them for evil actions.

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'''Broken Pedestal''': A character's mentor or idol becomes loathed by them for evil actions.
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Back A true Troper would use the link back to BrokenPedestalBrokenPedestal. You taught me that. So...why?
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** Alternately, Chris is the one who starts committing crimes using the training he got from Bob, [[APupilOfMineBeforeHeTurnedToEvil much to Bob's disgust when he finds out.]]

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** Alternately, Chris is the one who starts committing crimes using the training he got from Bob, [[APupilOfMineBeforeHeTurnedToEvil [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil much to Bob's disgust when he finds out.]]
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** Alternately, Chris is the one who starts committing crimes using the training he got from Bob, [[APupilOfMineBeforeHeTurnedToEvil much to Bob's disgust when he finds out.]]
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* '''Subverted''': Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a ChaoticGood.
* '''Double Subverted''': Then Chris learns about all the [[ChaoticEvil downright nasty crimes]] Bob has committed.

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* '''Subverted''': Chris has misinterpreted Bob's actions; he is in fact a ChaoticGood.
Good person
* '''Double Subverted''': Then Chris learns about all the [[ChaoticEvil [[MoralEventHorizon downright nasty crimes]] Bob has committed.

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