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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted fan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where he deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Creator/{{Rykodisc}} reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted fan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where he deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Creator/{{Rykodisc}} reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc Platform/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.
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Therebis no actual album by Spinal Tap called Smell the Glove, it was an in-universe album title in the movie. Although the movie soundtrack album boasted a cover that was “none more black.”


*** And ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'''s debut album "Smell The Glove".

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*** And ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'''s debut from ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap''' the album "Smell The Glove".

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The album cover is a painting by Donald Riller Wilson, who also illustrated the covers of Zappa's ''Music/ThePerfectStranger'' and ''Music/FrancescoZappa'' (also from 1984).



* DesignStudentsOrgasm: The album cover is a painting by Donald Riller Wilson, who also illustrated the covers of Zappa's ''Music/ThePerfectStranger'' and ''Music/FrancescoZappa'' (also from 1984).



* {{Dogfaces}}: The dog on the album cover.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where he deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Creator/{{Rykodisc}} reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan fan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where he deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Creator/{{Rykodisc}} reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.
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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where he deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Rykodisc reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where he deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Rykodisc Creator/{{Rykodisc}} reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.
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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where Bowie deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Rykodisc reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident (to the point where Bowie he deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Rykodisc reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.
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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident; it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident; incident (to the point where Bowie deliberately followed Zappa's example in having Rykodisc reissue his music on the UsefulNotes/CompactDisc format once he reclaimed the rights to his material); it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.

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-> ''WARNING/GUARANTEE: This album contains material which a truly free society would neither fear nor suppress. In some [[BeliefMakesYouStupid socially retarded areas, religious fanatics]] and [[CorruptPolitician ultra-conservative political organizations violate your First Ammendment Rights by attempting to censor rock & roll albums]]. We feel that this is un-Constitutional and [[MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting un-American]]. As an alternative to these government-supported programs (designed to keep you docile and ignorant). Barking Pumpkin is pleased to provide stimulating digital audio entertainment for those of you who have outgrown the ordinary. The language and concepts contained herein are GUARANTEED NOT TO CAUSE ETERNAL TORMENT IN THE PLACE WHERE [[{{Satan}} THE GUY WITH THE HORNS AND POINTED STICK CONDUCTS HIS BUSINESS]]. This guarantee is as real as the threats of ther video fundamentalists who use attacks on rock music in their attempt to transform America into a nation of check-mailing nincompoops (in the name of Jesus Christ). If there is a hell, [[FireAndBrimstoneHell its fires]] wait for them, not us.''

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-> ''WARNING/GUARANTEE: This album contains material which a truly free society would neither fear nor suppress. In some [[BeliefMakesYouStupid socially retarded areas, religious fanatics]] and [[CorruptPolitician ultra-conservative political organizations violate your First Ammendment Amendment Rights by attempting to censor rock & roll albums]]. We feel that this is un-Constitutional and [[MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting un-American]]. As an alternative to these government-supported programs (designed to keep you docile and ignorant). Barking Pumpkin is pleased to provide stimulating digital audio entertainment for those of you who have outgrown the ordinary. The language and concepts contained herein are GUARANTEED NOT TO CAUSE ETERNAL TORMENT IN THE PLACE WHERE [[{{Satan}} THE GUY WITH THE HORNS AND POINTED STICK STICK]] CONDUCTS HIS BUSINESS]].BUSINESS. This guarantee is as real as the threats of ther video fundamentalists who use attacks on rock music in their attempt to transform America into a nation of check-mailing nincompoops (in the name of Jesus Christ). If there is a hell, [[FireAndBrimstoneHell its fires]] wait for them, not us.''



Zappa brought out a companion book, "Them Or Us", the same year with lyrics from several of his screenplays printed. Some of them unreleased up until that point, including "Hunchentoot", a play that has remained in DevelopmentHell forever. Other lyrics are from his albums ''Music/StudioTan'', ''Music/SleepDirt'', ''Music/JoesGarage'', ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' and ''Music/ThingFish''.

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Zappa brought out a companion book, "Them Or Us", the same year with lyrics from several of his screenplays printed. Some of them unreleased up until that point, including "Hunchentoot", ''Hunchentoot'', a play that has remained in DevelopmentHell forever. Other lyrics are from his albums ''Music/StudioTan'', ''Music/SleepDirt'', ''Music/JoesGarage'', ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' and ''Music/ThingFish''.




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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa was on poor terms with Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa was on poor terms with held something of a grudge against Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa both before and after the incident; it's likely he brushed off the event as Zappa being Zappa.
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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]]; Zappa was on poor terms with Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew recounted decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant, with Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]]; Girl"]] from the previous year; Zappa was on poor terms with Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew recounted [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUk_Deo4jI recounted]] decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant, restaurant shortly after the poaching, with a visibly angry Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa.



* ToiletHumour: "In France" sings about squat toilets and gonnorhea.

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* ToiletHumour: "In France" sings about squat toilets and gonnorhea.gonorrhea.
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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]]; Zappa was on poor terms with Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew recounted decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant, with Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good stride and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa.

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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]]; Zappa was on poor terms with Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew recounted decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant, with Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good stride humor and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa.
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** "Be In My Video" particularly criticizes the music videos for Music/DavidBowie's [[Music/LetsDance "Let's Dance" and "China Girl"]]; Zappa was on poor terms with Bowie since the late 70's as a result of Bowie "poaching" Adrian Belew, at the time one of Zappa's touring guitarists, for his own [[Music/HeroesDavidBowieAlbum Isolar II tour]]. Belew recounted decades later how he, Bowie, and Music/BrianEno ended up running into Zappa and his band at a restaurant, with Zappa responding to every one of Bowie's attempts at initiating a conversation with "fuck you, [[Music/SpaceOddity Captain Tom]]." For what it's worth, Bowie took the incident in good stride and was a noted BigNameFan of Zappa.
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* AlliterativeTitle: "'''S'''tevie's '''S'''panking" and ""Truck '''D'''river '''D'''ivorce".

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* AlliterativeTitle: "'''S'''tevie's '''S'''panking" and ""Truck "Truck '''D'''river '''D'''ivorce".
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* AlliterativeTitle: "'''S'''tevie's '''S'''panking".

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* AlliterativeTitle: "'''S'''tevie's '''S'''panking".'''S'''panking" and ""Truck '''D'''river '''D'''ivorce".
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In France just seems to be much more popular.


''Them Or Us'' is a 1984 album by Music/FrankZappa. It's seen as one of the better albums he released during TheEighties and beloved for "Be In My Video", "Stevie's Spanking" and his epic cover of "Whippin' Post" by Music/TheAllmanBrothersBand.

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''Them Or Us'' is a 1984 album by Music/FrankZappa. It's seen as one of the better albums he released during TheEighties and beloved for "Be In My Video", "Stevie's Spanking" "In France" and his epic cover of "Whippin' Post" by Music/TheAllmanBrothersBand.
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'''Them Or Us''' is a 1984 album by Music/FrankZappa. It's seen as one of the better albums he released during TheEighties and beloved for "Be In My Video", "Stevie's Spanking" and his epic cover of "Whippin' Post" by Music/TheAllmanBrothersBand.

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'''Them ''Them Or Us''' Us'' is a 1984 album by Music/FrankZappa. It's seen as one of the better albums he released during TheEighties and beloved for "Be In My Video", "Stevie's Spanking" and his epic cover of "Whippin' Post" by Music/TheAllmanBrothersBand.



'''Tracklist'''

'''Side One'''

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'''Side Two'''

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'''Side Three'''

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'''Side Four'''

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'''Side Four'''[[AC:Side Four]]



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'''Personnel'''!! Personnel
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* HenpeckedHusband: "Them Or Us"

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* HenpeckedHusband: "Them Or Us""Whipping Post"
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** "Truck Driver Divorce" mentions a "trans-continental hobby-horse", which appeared earlier in "No, Not Now" from ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' (1982).
** "Be In My Video" makes mentions being "sprayed with a hose", which was a line that appeared earlier during "Uncle Remus" from ''Music/{{Apostrophe}}'' (1974). It also mentions a "leather collar" and "a nose" again, three other conceptual continuity items in Zappa's music. The line "smell the glove" would reappear during "Jesus Thinks You're A Jerk" from ''Music/BroadwayTheHardWay'' (1988).

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** "Truck Driver Divorce" mentions a "trans-continental hobby-horse", hobby-horse" and "string beans to Utah", which appeared earlier in "No, Not Now" from ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' (1982).(1982); in addition, the lines in both songs about "the waitress" refer to "Lonesome Cowboy Burt" from ''Film/TwoHundredMotels'' (1971).
** "Be In My Video" makes mentions being "sprayed with a hose", which was a line that appeared earlier during "Uncle Remus" from ''Music/{{Apostrophe}}'' (1974). It also mentions a "leather collar" and "a nose" again, three other conceptual continuity items in Zappa's music. The line "smell the glove" would reappear during "Jesus Thinks You're A Jerk" from ''Music/BroadwayTheHardWay'' (1988). The scat singing after "mangle my guitar" is similar to the recurring "bend the string" tune in ''Joe's Garage''.

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--> ''(...) They got some coffee eatin' right through the cup''
* FrogsAndToads: "Frogs With Dirty Little Lips"
--> ''Frogs with dirty little lips''
--> ''Dirty little warts on their fingertips''
--> ''Dirty 'n' green''
--> ''Tiny 'n' mean''
--> ''Floppin' around by the edge of the stream''

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--> ''(...) They got some coffee eatin' right through the cup''
* FrogsAndToads: "Frogs With Dirty Little Lips"
--> ''Frogs with dirty little lips''
--> ''Dirty little warts on their fingertips''
--> ''Dirty 'n' green''
--> ''Tiny 'n' mean''
--> ''Floppin' around by the edge of the stream''
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* PackagedAsOtherMedium: The cover looks like a baroque painting.
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* ObligatoryBondageSong: "Stevie's Spanking". Trust Zappa to make the trope even weirder.
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Zappa brought out a companion book, "Them Or Us", the same year with lyrics from several of his screenplays printed. Some of them unreleased up until that point, including "Hunchentoot", a play that has remained in DevelopmentHell forever. Other lyrics are from his albums ''Music/StudioTan'', ''Music/SleepDirt'', ''Music/JoesGarage'', ''Music/ShipArrivingToLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' and ''Music/ThingFish''.

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Zappa brought out a companion book, "Them Or Us", the same year with lyrics from several of his screenplays printed. Some of them unreleased up until that point, including "Hunchentoot", a play that has remained in DevelopmentHell forever. Other lyrics are from his albums ''Music/StudioTan'', ''Music/SleepDirt'', ''Music/JoesGarage'', ''Music/ShipArrivingToLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' and ''Music/ThingFish''.
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-> ''WARNING/GUARANTEE: This album contains material which a truly free society would neither fear nor suppress. In some [[BeliefMakesYouStupid socially retarded areas, religious fanatics]] and [[CorruptPolitician ultra-conservative political organizations violate your First Ammendment Rights by attempting to censor rock & roll albums]]. We feel that this is un-Constitutional and [[MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting un-American]]. As an alternative to these government-supported programs (designed to keep you docile and ignorant). Barking Pumpkin is pleased to provide stimulating digital audio entertainment for those of you who have outgrown the ordinary. The language and concepts contained herein are GUARANTEED NOT TO CAUSE ETERNAL TORMENT IN THE PLACE WHERE [[{{Satan}} THE GUY WITH THE HORNS AND POINTED STICK CONDUCTS HIS BUSINESS]]. This guarantee is as real as the threats of ther video fundamentalists who use attacks on rock music in their attempt to transform America into a nation of check-mailing nincompoops (in the name of Jesus Christ). If there is a hell, [[FireAndBrimstoneHell its fires]] wait for them, not us.''

-> The disclaimer sticker on the album.

'''Them Or Us''' is a 1984 album by Music/FrankZappa. It's seen as one of the better albums he released during TheEighties and beloved for "Be In My Video", "Stevie's Spanking" and his epic cover of "Whippin' Post" by Music/TheAllmanBrothersBand.

Zappa brought out a companion book, "Them Or Us", the same year with lyrics from several of his screenplays printed. Some of them unreleased up until that point, including "Hunchentoot", a play that has remained in DevelopmentHell forever. Other lyrics are from his albums ''Music/StudioTan'', ''Music/SleepDirt'', ''Music/JoesGarage'', ''Music/ShipArrivingToLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' and ''Music/ThingFish''.

'''Tracklist'''

'''Side One'''
# "The Closer You Are" (2:58)
# "In France" (3:30)
# "Ya Hozna" (6:26)
# "Sharleena" (4:33)

'''Side Two'''
# "Sinister Footwear" (8:40)
# "Truck Driver Divorce" (9:03)

'''Side Three'''
# "Stevie's Spanking" (5:24)
# "Baby, Take Your Teeth Out" (1:24)
# "Marque-son's Chicken" (7:24)
# "Planet Of My Dreams" (1:40)

'''Side Four'''
# "Be In My Video" (3:39)
# "Them Or Us" (5:08)
# "Frogs With Dirty Little Lips" (2:46)
# "Whipping Post" (7:32)

'''Personnel'''
* Music/FrankZappa: vocals, guitar
* Ray White, Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, George Duke, Bobby Martin, Roy Estrada: vocals, harmony
* Tommy Mars: keyboards
* Arthur Barrow: bass
* Chad Wackerman: drums
* Scott Thnes: bass
* Ed Mann: percussion
* Music/SteveVai: guitar
* Ray White: rhythm guitar
* Bobby Martin: keyboards, harmonica
* Dweezil Zappa: guitar solo during "Sharleena" and second guitar solo on "Stevie's Spanking".
* Patrick O'Hearn: bass on "Planet Of My Dreams"
* Thana Harris: harmony on "Planet Of My Dreams"
* George Duke: piano on "Planet Of My Dreams"
* Music/JohnnyGuitarWatson: lead vocals on "In France".

!! ''Stevie's Troping''
* AlliterativeTitle: "'''S'''tevie's '''S'''panking".
* AnachronismStew: The dog in 16th century clothing on the album cover is wearing Cool Shades.
* BreakupSong: "Sharleena"
--> ''Ten years I've been lovin' her''
--> ''Ten long years''
--> ''And I thought deep down in my heart she was mine''
--> ''Ten long years I've been lovin' her''
--> ''Ten long years I would call her my baby''
--> ''And now I'm always cryin' ''
* CallBack and ContinuityNod:
** The same shades wearing dog would appear on the album cover of Zappa's ''Music/FrancescoZappa'' (1984) and ''Music/ThemOrUs'' (1984) albums. Also, dog imagery happened before in Zappa's lyrics.
** Zappa would use his content parody sticker on the albums ''Music/ThingFish'' (1984) and ''Music/FrankZappaMeetsTheMothersOfPrevention'' (1985) too.
** In "In France" STD's, nose imagery and poodles reappear again:
--> ''Gets so exciting when the poodles react in France''.
** The backwards lyrics of "Ya Hozna" includes lines from "Sofa" (''Music/OneSizeFitsAll''), "Lonely Little Girl" (''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'') and some unused lyrics from "Valley Girl" (''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'').
** "Sharleena" appeared earlier in a different arrangement on ''Music/ChungasRevenge'' (1970).
** "Sinister Footwear II" is a continuation of "Sinister Footwear" from ''Music/YouAreWhatYouIs'' (1981). On ''Music/{{Guitar}}'' and "Make A Jazz Noise Here" (1988) "Sinister Footwear" would be performed in yet another arrangement. On "Them Or Us" the piece also quotes a section from "Yo' Mama" from ''Music/SheikYerbouti'' (1979).
** The line "go ahead and eat the label" from "Baby Take Your Teeth Out" appeared earlier on "Wonderful Wino" from ''Music/ZootAllures'' (1976), while "this little girl must be practicin' witchcraft" is a line from "Dong Work For Yuda" from ''Music/JoesGarage'' (1979).
** "Truck Driver Divorce" mentions a "trans-continental hobby-horse", which appeared earlier in "No, Not Now" from ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' (1982).
** "Be In My Video" makes mentions being "sprayed with a hose", which was a line that appeared earlier during "Uncle Remus" from ''Music/{{Apostrophe}}'' (1974). It also mentions a "leather collar" and "a nose" again, three other conceptual continuity items in Zappa's music. The line "smell the glove" would reappear during "Jesus Thinks You're A Jerk" from ''Music/BroadwayTheHardWay'' (1988).
* CoolShades: The dog on the album cover.
* CoverVersion: "The Closer You Are", a cover by the Channels and "Whippin' Post", a cover of Music/TheAllmanBrothersBand song from their 1969 debut album. Zappa was motivated to cover "Whippin' Post" during a 1974 concert in Helsinki UsefulNotes/{{Finland}}, when a drunk audience member asked Zappa's band to play this song. Zappa and his group had never heard of it, which disappointed Zappa as he wanted to show off with it. He nevertheless tried to make references to whipping posts while performing "Montana" that night, a special event immortalized on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Volume 2". As a result Zappa began including "Whippin' Post" during his stage performances.
* DesignStudentsOrgasm: The album cover is a painting by Donald Riller Wilson, who also illustrated the covers of Zappa's ''Music/ThePerfectStranger'' and ''Music/FrancescoZappa'' (also from 1984).
* DirtyForeigner: "In France" delves on the "dirty Frenchmen" stereotypes, including some of the public toilets Zappa felt rather repulsed about. He explained the origins of the lyrics on "The Frank Zappa Interview Picture Disk":
--> ''It was fair commentary on what Frenchness means to a person who is not French and has to be subjected to Frenchness. It is not a put-down of the French. [[TruthInTelevision It is the facts]]. Now, I was able to ascertain from some interviews I did in France that the toilet that we're speaking of in the song is referred to in France as "The Turkish Toilet". [[NonIndicativeName So, if it's a Turkish toilet, then what's it doing in France]]? Cause that's all I know from French toilets is the thing with the bombsight and the two footprints where you pull the chain and if you're lucky it doesn't climb up to your ankles when the stuff comes up out of the hole. But all the stuff in that song is true including "The Mystery Blow Job" that happened to one of the guys in the band. You know, it started with this green fudge coming out of his weenie [[note]] A symptom of gonorrhea [[/note]], and he [[STDImmunity didn't realize that you could get this disease from sticking it in somebody's mouth]]. [[TooDumbToLive That was 'cause he was a chump]]. But it did happen in France so it belongs in the song.''
* DistinctDoubleAlbum: The LP was released as a double album.
* {{Dogfaces}}: The dog on the album cover.
* {{Doowop}} and DoowopProgression: "The Closer You Are" is a cover of the doowop band The Channels.
* DrowningMySorrows: "Whippin' Post"
--> ''I drown myself in sorrow''
--> ''As I look at what you've done''
--> ''That bad times stay the same''
--> ''And I can't run''
* EpicRocking: The 6:26 "Ya Hozna", the 8:40 "Sinister Footwear II", the 9:03 "Truck Driver Divorce", the 5:24 "Stevie's Spanking", the 7:34 "Marque-son's Chicken", the 5:08 "Them Or Us" and 7:32 "Whipping Post".
* ForeignQueasine: "In France"
--> ''The food ain't too shabby''
--> ''(...) They got some coffee eatin' right through the cup''
* FrogsAndToads: "Frogs With Dirty Little Lips"
--> ''Frogs with dirty little lips''
--> ''Dirty little warts on their fingertips''
--> ''Dirty 'n' green''
--> ''Tiny 'n' mean''
--> ''Floppin' around by the edge of the stream''
* HenpeckedHusband: "Them Or Us"
--> ''I let that mean woman make me out a fool''
--> ''She took all my money''
--> ''And wrecked my new car''
--> ''Now she's with one of my good-time buddies''
--> ''Drinkin' in some cross-town bar''
--> ''Sometimes I feel, sometimes I feel''
--> ''Like I been tied to the whippin' post''
* {{Instrumentals}}: "Sinister Footwear II", "Marque-Son's Chicken" and "Them Or Us".
* IntercourseWithYou: "Stevie's Spanking"
--> ''She was large and soft''
--> ''And she beat him off''
--> ''Made him drool upon his dork and give it a wanking''
--> ''After the spanking''
* MinisculeRocking: The 1:24 "Baby, Take Your Teeth Out" and 1:40 "Planet Of My Dreams".
* MundaneMadeAwesome: "Frogs With Dirty Little Lips", a song which is about ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. The song was co-written by Zappa's son Ahmet, who was ten years old at the time.
* NationalStereotypes: "In France" is a stereotypical portrayal of France, targeting, among other things, their "squat down" toilets.
* NowDoItAgainBackwards: "Ya Hozna", the third track, is "The Closer You Are", the first track, but played backwards. The lyrics, however, are different. When played straight they include lyrics from other Zappa songs, namely "Sofa" (''Music/OneSizeFitsAll''), "Lonely Little Girl" (''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'') and some unused lyrics from "Valley Girl" (''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'').
* OneWomanSong: "Sharleena".
* ProductPlacement: A bottle of Heinz ketchup can be seen on the album cover.
* ProtestSong: "Planet Of My Dreams"
--> ''The Earth, my Earth''
--> ''And though it often seems''
--> ''From television beams''
--> ''That ignorance is rampant there''
--> ''And governmental goons don't care''
--> ''I know that I shall not despair''
--> ''And cheat like all the rest''
--> ''I'll just keep on with what I do the best''
* RealLifeWritesThePlot: "Stevie's Spanking" was written after Music/SteveVai had himself beaten with a hairbrush by a groupie. A banana was also used, but let's not go there. "In France" was also based on real life facts, see DirtyForeigner above.
* ShoutOut:
** "In France" makes a pun on the name of Peter Green, lead singer of Music/FleetwoodMac.
--> ''They got the diseases like you ain't never seen''
--> ''I said they got a mystery blow-job turn your peter green''
** "Be In My Video" is an attack on Creator/{{MTV}}, but also references:
*** Music/MichaelJackson:
--> ''I will make your nose smell the glove''
--> ''And try to look sincere''
*** Music/DavidBowie's ''Music/LetsDance'':
--> ''Then we'll dance the blues under the megawatt moonlight''
*** It also references Creator/CarlSagan's ''Series/{{Cosmos}}''
--> ''Then it cuts to outer space''
--> ''With its billions & billions & billions & billions,...''
*** And ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'''s debut album "Smell The Glove".
--> ''I will make your nose smell the glove''
* SillyLoveSongs:
** "The Closer You Are"
--> ''The closer you are,''
--> ''The brighter the flames in my heart,''
--> ''And darling,''
--> ''We'll never part''
--> ''We'll always be in love''
** "Baby Take Your Teeth Out"
--> ''Baby take your teeth out''
--> ''You look divine''
* SingerNameDrop: "Stevie's Spanking", which is entirely about Vai's encounter with a groupie.
--> ''His name is Stevie Vai''
--> ''And he is a crazy guy''
--> ''Last November, I recall''
--> ''He needed a spanking''
* SpecialGuest: Music/JohnnyGuitarWatson sings lead vocal during "In France".
* STDImmunity: "In France"
--> ''They got the diseases like you ain't never seen''
--> ''I said they got a mystery blow-job turn your peter green''
* StuffBlowingUp: "Be In My Video"
--> ''There's a cheesy atom bomb explosion all the big groups use''
* SubliminalSeduction: "Ya Hozna", which is completely played and sang backwards, is a parody of Satanic messaging in rock.
* TakeThat:
** "Truck Driver Divorce" targets... truck drivers:
--> ''The bold & intelligent''
--> ''Masters of the road,''
--> ''With their Secret Language,''
--> ''And their giant over-sized mechanical trans-continental hobby-horse!''
** "Be In My Video" is a satire of music videos, particularly Creator/{{MTV}}.
--> ''You can show your legs while you're getting in the car''
--> ''Then I will look repulsive while I mangle my guitar''
* ThatSyncingFeeling: "Be In My Video", attacking playbacking on MTV:
--> ''Twirl around in a lap dissolve''
--> ''Pretend to sing the words''
* TitleTrack: "Them Or Us".
* ToiletHumour: "In France" sings about squat toilets and gonnorhea.
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