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* {{Grindcore}}: They've dabbled in this with "Committed" (a noisegrind track), "Banishing Illusion", and "Redistribution of Filth", and Paul is a huge fan of the genre.

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* {{Grindcore}}: They've dabbled in this with "Committed" (a noisegrind track), "Banishing Illusion", and "Redistribution of Filth", and Paul Filth". It also helped influence their style a great deal, as Paul's favorite band of all time is a huge fan of the genre.Napalm Death.
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* DrowningMySorrows: This is what got James Lee thrown out. Chronically depressed for pretty much his entire run with the band, Lee's self-medicating got more and more out of hand, and it was a combination of extremely heavy drinking, drug usage, and an apparent refusal to get help that finally led Paul Ryan to say "enough is enough" and dismiss Lee. Thankfully for Lee, he wound up getting some much-needed help and [[EarnYourHappyEnding is apparently doing much better now]].
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* HeyItsThatGuy: Northeasterners (since Albany is about an hour from the westernmost portion of Massachusetts, and they used to play there regularly) and particularly knowledgeable brutal death fans will recognize Jason from his days in Mucopus, and brutal death fans as a whole will ''definitely'' recognize him from his run with Music/{{Skinless}}.



* OneOfUs: Everyone in the band, particularly John and Jason, with the latter having actually linked to this very page on the band's Facebook profile at one point.



* ThePeteBest: Fluke played on one EP, left the band, and more or less disappeared from the music business in general. He's still apparently friends with the band, however.



* PromotedFanboy: Jeremy Turner briefly played for Music/CannibalCorpse when Jack Owen left and they weren't able to find a full-time replacement fast enough.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: New Englanders (since Albany is about an hour from the westernmost portion of Massachusetts, and they used to play there regularly) and particularly knowledgeable brutal death fans will recognize Jason from his days in Mucopus, and brutal death fans as a whole will ''definitely'' recognize him from his run with Music/{{Skinless}}.

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* HeyItsThatGuy: New Englanders Northeasterners (since Albany is about an hour from the westernmost portion of Massachusetts, and they used to play there regularly) and particularly knowledgeable brutal death fans will recognize Jason from his days in Mucopus, and brutal death fans as a whole will ''definitely'' recognize him from his run with Music/{{Skinless}}.Music/{{Skinless}}.
* InTheStyleOf: "Redistribution of Filth" was Paul's love letter to Music/NapalmDeath.



* OutOfGenreExperience: ''Omnipresent'' has "Redistribution of Filth", which is a thrashy hardcore track with absolutely no focus on technicality.

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* OutOfGenreExperience: ''Omnipresent'' has "Redistribution of Filth", which is a thrashy hardcore grindcore track with absolutely no focus on technicality.
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* LeadDrummer: John Longstreth. Part of it is his frightening technical prowess, part of it is just how many well-loved bands he's been a part of.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: New Englanders (since Albany is about an hour from the westernmost portion of Massachusetts, and they used to play there regularly) and particularly knowledgeable brutal death fans will recognize Jason from his days in Mucopus, and brutal death fans as a whole will ''definitely'' recognize him from his run with Music/{{Skinless}}.

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* AllDrummersAreAnimals: Sort of. Longstreth is known for his machine-like precision live, but his rather... unusual facial expressions have become well-known.
* BadassBookworm: John Longstreth is one of the fastest and most technically-skilled drummers in metal, but he's also a jazz musician with decades of experience and a highly-skilled Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner. Jason, meanwhile, has a degree in anthropology and has been part of multiple digs as part of his day job.
* [[DeathMetal Brutal Death Metal]]: Obviously.

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* AllDrummersAreAnimals: Sort of. Longstreth is known for his machine-like precision live, but his rather... unusual facial expressions have habit of making bizarre faces at photographers while playing has become well-known.
* BadassBookworm: John Longstreth is one of the fastest and most technically-skilled drummers in metal, but he's also a jazz musician with decades of experience and a highly-skilled Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner. Jason, meanwhile, Jason Keyser has a degree in anthropology and has been part of multiple digs as part of his day job.
* [[DeathMetal Brutal Death Metal]]: Obviously.Definitely one of the heaviest technical death acts.



* {{Grindcore}}: They've dabbled in this with "Committed" (a noisegrind track), "Banishing Illusion", and "Redistribution of Filth", and Paul is a huge fan of the genre.



** ...If you obviously count out "Committed", but the loudness there was [[HellIsThatNoise completely intentional]].
* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Solid 10, occasionally 11.
* MinisculeRocking: Most of the material off their first few albums was in the two-minute range, while "Purgatory" and "Banishing Illusion" (both off of Entity) are under two minutes.

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** ...If you obviously count out "Committed", but the loudness there was [[HellIsThatNoise completely intentional]].
* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Solid 10, occasionally 11.
11 on their heavier tracks ("Wrath of Vishnu", in particular).
* MinisculeRocking: Most of the material off their first few albums was in the two-minute range, while "Purgatory" and "Banishing Illusion" (both off of Entity) are under two minutes.minutes, as is "Thrall:Fulcrum:Apex" off of ''Omnipresent''.



** ''Omnipresent'' has more prominent grindcore, hardcore, and mathcore influences and is just distinctly less overtly technical and more experimental in general.

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** ''Omnipresent'' has more prominent grindcore, hardcore, and mathcore influences and is just distinctly less overtly technical and more experimental in general. According to Paul, a good deal of it was motivated by a desire to provide variation in their live setlists.



* ThePeteBest: Fluke played on one EP, left the band, and more or less disappeared from the music business in general.

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* ThePeteBest: Fluke played on one EP, left the band, and more or less disappeared from the music business in general. He's still apparently friends with the band, however.



* SignatureStyle: ''Absurdly'' fast (270+ BPM is common) material with extremely complex tremolo riffs and "laser beam" sweeps, along with extremely fast and frequently odd-timed blastbeats and double bass, as well as plenty of fills and jazzy flourishes. Basswork frequently consists of extremely fast sweeping and tapping, while vocals make heavy use of MotorMouth and frequently switch between high shrieks, low grunts, and a mid-ranged roar.

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* SignatureStyle: ''Absurdly'' fast (270+ (250+ BPM is common) material with extremely complex tremolo riffs and "laser beam" sweeps, along with extremely fast and frequently odd-timed blastbeats and double bass, as well as plenty of fills and jazzy flourishes. Basswork frequently consists of extremely fast sweeping and tapping, while vocals make heavy use of MotorMouth and frequently switch between high shrieks, low grunts, and a mid-ranged roar.



* TechnicalDeathMetal: One of the most prominent examples.

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* TechnicalDeathMetal: One of the most prominent examples.examples, and probably the UrExample for the spastic, hyperspeed variant of brutal tech.



* UpToEleven: In general as far as technical death goes, but especially live. Some technical death acts have trouble pulling off some of their more complicated material live; Origin actually plays it even FASTER without a hitch.

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* UpToEleven: In general as far as technical death goes, but especially live. Some technical death acts have trouble pulling off some of their more complicated material live; live and/or tend to fall victim to the "stand around playing your instruments" trap; Origin actually plays it even FASTER without a hitch.hitch and has cultivated a reputation as a ferocious live act.
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* StartMyOwn: Unmerciful was started by at least one ex-Origin member; while the band's [[RevolvingDoorBand frequent turnover]] means that it's difficult to know who exactly formed it, Clint Appelhanz has been documented as a founding member, and it's likely that there was at least one other founder who got their start in Origin.

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* StartMyOwn: Unmerciful was started by at least one ex-Origin member; Clint Appelhanz; while the band's [[RevolvingDoorBand frequent turnover]] means James King was a co-founder, he doesn't count because he hadn't yet even joined Origin at that it's difficult time. Said band is also notorious for being where departing Origin members tend to know who exactly formed it, Clint Appelhanz has been documented as a founding member, and it's likely that there was at least one other founder who got their start in Origin.end up.
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* [[FiveManBand Four Man Band]]:
** TheLeader: Ryan
** TheLancer: Flores
** TheBigGuy: Keyser
** TheSmartGuy: Longstreth
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* AchievementInIgnorance: Mike developed his signature bass style through something akin to this. Having grown up playing traditional Mexican music, his father would regularly take picks away from him, forcing him to use his fingers. When he started playing bass, he used his fingers to emulate using a pick instead of plucking like most fingerstyle bassists; the "ignorance" part comes from the fact that, as someone who was completely self-taught and had never taken a lesson in his life, there was no one to tell him that his technique was essentially ''completely wrong''. It was through not having anyone there to tell him that he wasn't playing correctly that he developed his one-of-a-kind style and became the widely celebrated player that he is.

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* AchievementInIgnorance: Mike developed his signature bass style through something akin to this. Having grown up playing traditional Mexican music, his father would As a child, he wanted to play guitar but was regularly take picks away prevented from him, forcing him playing it due to use being grounded, so he just opted to pick up his fingers.father's bass instead. When he started playing bass, he used his fingers to emulate using a pick instead of plucking like most fingerstyle bassists; the "ignorance" part comes from the fact that, as someone who was completely self-taught and had never taken a lesson in his life, there was no one to tell him that his technique was essentially ''completely wrong''. It was through not having anyone there to tell him that he wasn't playing correctly that he developed his one-of-a-kind style and became the widely celebrated player that he is.
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* AchievementInIgnorance: Mike developed his signature bass style through something akin to this. Having grown up playing traditional Mexican music, his father would regularly take picks away from him, forcing him to use his fingers. When he started playing bass, he used his fingers to emulate using a pick instead of plucking like most fingerstyle bassists; the "ignorance" part comes from the fact that, as someone who was completely self-taught and had never taken a lesson in his life, there was no one to tell him that his technique was essentially ''completely wrong''. It was essentially through not having anyone there to tell him that he wasn't playing correctly that he developed his one-of-a-kind style and became the widely celebrated player that he is.

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* AchievementInIgnorance: Mike developed his signature bass style through something akin to this. Having grown up playing traditional Mexican music, his father would regularly take picks away from him, forcing him to use his fingers. When he started playing bass, he used his fingers to emulate using a pick instead of plucking like most fingerstyle bassists; the "ignorance" part comes from the fact that, as someone who was completely self-taught and had never taken a lesson in his life, there was no one to tell him that his technique was essentially ''completely wrong''. It was essentially through not having anyone there to tell him that he wasn't playing correctly that he developed his one-of-a-kind style and became the widely celebrated player that he is.

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* AchievementInIgnorance: Mike developed his signature bass style through something akin to this. Having grown up playing traditional Mexican music, his father would regularly take picks away from him, forcing him to use his fingers. When he started playing bass, he used his fingers to emulate using a pick instead of plucking like most fingerstyle bassists; the "ignorance" part comes from the fact that, as someone who was completely self-taught and had never taken a lesson in his life, there was no one to tell him that his technique was essentially ''completely wrong''. It was essentially through not having anyone there to tell him that he wasn't playing correctly that he developed his one-of-a-kind style and became the widely celebrated player that he is.



* BadassBookworm: John Longstreth is one of the fastest and most technically-skilled drummers in metal, but he's also a jazz musician with decades of experience and a highly-skilled Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner.

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* BadassBookworm: John Longstreth is one of the fastest and most technically-skilled drummers in metal, but he's also a jazz musician with decades of experience and a highly-skilled Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner. Jason, meanwhile, has a degree in anthropology and has been part of multiple digs as part of his day job.


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* CoverVersion: They have covered S.O.D.'s "Kill Yourself" on ''Omnipresent''.


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** ''Omnipresent'' has more prominent grindcore, hardcore, and mathcore influences and is just distinctly less overtly technical and more experimental in general.


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* OutOfGenreExperience: ''Omnipresent'' has "Redistribution of Filth", which is a thrashy hardcore track with absolutely no focus on technicality.
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* ''Omnipresent'' (2014)
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* StartMyOwn: Unmerciful was started by at least one ex-Origin member; while the band's [[RevolvingDoorBand frequent turnover]] means that it's difficult to know who exactly formed it, Clint Appelhanz has been documented as a founding member, and it's likely that there was at least one other founder who got their start in Origin.
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* PintsizedPowerhouse: Flores is known for his short stature, but the man's bass-playing abilities are truly awe-inspiring.

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* PintsizedPowerhouse: Flores is known for his short stature, but the man's bass-playing abilities are truly awe-inspiring.and Longstreth.



* SignatureStyle: ''Absurdly'' fast (270+ BPM is common) material with extremely complex tremolo riffs and "laser beam" sweeps, along with extremely fast and frequently odd-timed blastbeats and double bass, as well as plenty of fills and jazzy flourishes. Basswork frequently consists of extremely fast sweeping and tapping, while vocals make heavy use of MotorMouth and frequently switch between high shrieks, low-grunts, and a mid-ranged roar.

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* SignatureStyle: ''Absurdly'' fast (270+ BPM is common) material with extremely complex tremolo riffs and "laser beam" sweeps, along with extremely fast and frequently odd-timed blastbeats and double bass, as well as plenty of fills and jazzy flourishes. Basswork frequently consists of extremely fast sweeping and tapping, while vocals make heavy use of MotorMouth and frequently switch between high shrieks, low-grunts, low grunts, and a mid-ranged roar.

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* FatBastard: James Lee apparently qualified as this thanks to his heavy drinking and obnoxious behavior while drunk.


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* OneOfUs: Everyone in the band, particularly John and Jason, with the latter having actually linked to this very page on the band's Facebook profile at one point.
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* DeathMetal: Obviously.

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* DeathMetal: [[DeathMetal Brutal Death Metal]]: Obviously.
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* TheRival: To some, they are rivaled by Music/HourOfPenance.
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** ...If you obviously count out "Committed".

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* SignatureStyle: Absurdly fast (270+ BPM is common) material with extremely complex tremolo riffs and "laser beam" sweeps, along with extremely fast and frequently odd-timed blastbeats and double bass, as well as plenty of fills and jazzy flourishes. Basswork frequently consists of extremely fast sweeping and tapping, while vocals make heavy use of MotorMouth and frequently switch between high shrieks, low-grunts, and a mid-ranged roar.

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* SignatureStyle: Absurdly ''Absurdly'' fast (270+ BPM is common) material with extremely complex tremolo riffs and "laser beam" sweeps, along with extremely fast and frequently odd-timed blastbeats and double bass, as well as plenty of fills and jazzy flourishes. Basswork frequently consists of extremely fast sweeping and tapping, while vocals make heavy use of MotorMouth and frequently switch between high shrieks, low-grunts, and a mid-ranged roar.


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* HellIsThatNoise: ''Committed'' is a bizarre and incredibly unsettling noise-grind track that is legitimately uncomfortable to listen to thanks to the ear-piercing screeching from Ryan's guitar in the bridge.



* RevolvingDoorBand: Yep. They've been through a LOT of changes, with Ryan being the only remaining founder.
* SignatureSong: ''The Aftermath'', ''Portal'', ''Expulsion of Fury'', and ''Finite'' all qualify, being live staples and fan favorites.

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* RevolvingDoorBand: Yep. They've For the first half of their career. Things have been through a LOT of changes, with Ryan being the only remaining founder.
* SignatureSong: ''The Aftermath'', ''Portal'', ''Expulsion of Fury'', and ''Finite'' all qualify, being live staples and fan favorites.
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* PromotedFanboy: Jeremy Turner briefly played for Music/CannibalCorpse when Jack Owen left and they weren't able to find a full-time replacement fast enough.
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* LoudnessWar: Surprisingly averted (for the most part) with the last two. ''Antithesis'' had decent dynamic range but still had noticeable clipping issues and general muddiness, but ''Entity'', while slightly more compressed, took great pains to avoid clipping, creating a wonderfully crisp, balanced, and engrossing mix that set a fantastic example for how modern death metal albums should aspire to sound.
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* BadassBookworm: John Longstreth is one of the fastest and most technically-skilled drummers in metal, but he's also a jazz musician with decades of experience and a highly-skilled Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner.
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* SignatureStyle: Absurdly fast (270+ BPM is common) material with extremely complex tremolo riffs and "laser beam" sweeps, along with extremely fast and frequently odd-timed blastbeats and double bass, as well as plenty of fills and jazzy flourishes. Basswork frequently consists of extremely fast sweeping and tapping, while vocals make heavy use of MotorMouth and frequently switch between high shrieks, low-grunts, and a mid-ranged roar.
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* TheAlcoholic: James Lee developed a reputation for excessive drinking over the years, something that is suspected to be the main reason why he was kicked out.


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* FatBastard: James Lee apparently qualified as this thanks to his heavy drinking and obnoxious behavior while drunk.
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* ThePeteBest: Fluke played on one EP, left the band, and more or less disappeared from the music business in general.
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Origin is an American technical/brutal death metal band. Characterized by their incredibly fast and technical music and the extreme proficiency of all their instrumentalists, as well as their tendency to focus on cohesive songwriting a lot more than their contemporaries, Origin has become one of the biggest names in technical death metal over the years, having played multiple high-profile festivals and headlining tours.

Formed in 1997 in Topeka, Kansas by guitarists Paul Ryan and Jeremy Turner (the former not to be confused with the politician of the same name, obviously), the band quickly picked up Clint Appelhanz (bass) and Mark Manning (vocals), along with George Fluke (drums) shortly after. This lineup would go on to release a demo, though Fluke and Appelhanz left soon after and were replaced by John Longstreth and Doug Williams, respectively. This lineup was the one that gained them a contract with Relapse Records and released their self-titled debut; in the time between their debut and their second album, Manning and Williams left and were replaced by James Lee and Mike Flores. For a while after, the band continued to go through numerous lineup changes, though things finally settled down after Lee left; as of now, the lineup consists of Ryan, Flores, and Longstreth, along with Jason Keyser of Skinless fame on vocals.
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* ''A Coming Into Existence'' (1998) - demo/EP, only release with Fluke
* ''Origin'' (2000)
* ''Informis Infinitas Inhumanitas'' (2002)
* ''Echoes of Decimation'' (2005) - only full-length to not feature Longstreth on drums, with James King (of later Unmerciful fame) taking his place
* ''Antithesis'' (2008)
* ''Entity'' (2011) - only release without a dedicated vocalist, with Ryan and Flores assuming duties
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The band provides examples of the following tropes:
* AllDrummersAreAnimals: Sort of. Longstreth is known for his machine-like precision live, but his rather... unusual facial expressions have become well-known.
* DeathMetal: Obviously.
* [[FiveManBand Four Man Band]]:
** TheLeader: Ryan
** TheLancer: Flores
** TheBigGuy: Keyser
** TheSmartGuy: Longstreth
* EpicRocking: The title track to ''Antithesis'' is almost ten minutes, while "Consequence of Solution" is a little over seven and "Saligia" is slightly under seven.
* GenreRoulette: ''Entity'', in addition to their standard lightspeed tech-death, experimented with deathgrind (Banishing Illusion), noisegrind (Committed), and classic-style death metal (Evolution of Extinction), with many of the individual songs also taking unexpected turns into other genres.
* HellIsThatNoise: ''Committed'' is a bizarre and incredibly unsettling noise-grind track that is legitimately uncomfortable to listen to thanks to the ear-piercing screeching from Ryan's guitar in the bridge.
* LargeHam: Keyser is well-known for his live banter.
* LeadBassist: Mike Flores qualifies for Type A, B, and C, being renowned for his truly incredible speed and technical ability, frequent backing vocal contributions (as well as assuming vocal duties along with Ryan on ''Entity''), and status as one of the two main songwriters.
* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Solid 10, occasionally 11.
* MinisculeRocking: Most of the material off their first few albums was in the two-minute range, while "Purgatory" and "Banishing Illusion" (both off of Entity) are under two minutes.
* MotorMouth: James Lee was renowned for this (and so is Jason Keyser, by extent).
* NewSoundAlbum: Pretty much every album.
** ''Informis'' significantly increased the technicality; while their debut was technical, it hadn't quite reached the levels of their later material.
** ''Echoes'' increased the technicality even more, emphasizing Ryan's sweep-picking abilities quite heavily. It was also their only album with James King on drums, who focused much less on technical patterns and fills and more on pure, unrelenting speed.
** ''Antithesis'' featured much longer and more varied songs in general, including a nearly ten-minute title track. It was also where Ryan began to use guitar solos.
** ''Entity'' bridged the longer and more involved songs of ''Antithesis'' with the shorter songs of their earlier material in addition to experimenting with different genres.
* PintsizedPowerhouse: Flores is known for his short stature, but the man's bass-playing abilities are truly awe-inspiring.
* RevolvingDoorBand: Yep. They've been through a LOT of changes, with Ryan being the only remaining founder.
* SignatureSong: ''The Aftermath'', ''Portal'', ''Expulsion of Fury'', and ''Finite'' all qualify, being live staples and fan favorites.
* TechnicalDeathMetal: One of the most prominent examples.
* UncommonTime: Very, very frequently.
* UpToEleven: In general as far as technical death goes, but especially live. Some technical death acts have trouble pulling off some of their more complicated material live; Origin actually plays it even FASTER without a hitch.

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