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** Another episode has Stan calling a shopping network when his grandfather was spending all his savings buying from them, and, in a nod to the Bill Hicks example below, telling the presenters to kill themselves for taking advantage of old people. [[spoiler:In the end, it works.]]

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** Another episode has Stan calling a shopping network when his grandfather was spending all his savings buying from them, and, in a nod to the Bill Hicks example below, telling the presenters to kill themselves for taking advantage of old people. The elderly viewers join in and ''all'' start telling him to kill himself in a RunningGag. [[spoiler:In the end, it works.]]
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* BackStory of ''{{Dune}}''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in ''{{Neverwhere}}'', various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
* In {{Rebecca}}, the CreepyHousekeeper Mrs Danvers very seriously encourages the second Mrs de Winter to commit suicide. That was because she was passionately devoted to the ''first'' Mrs de Winter and felt the successor was taking her place. (Mrs Danvers was, as you may presume, a total psycho.) She is not impolite or emotional when she does it, which makes it all the more scary.

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* BackStory of ''{{Dune}}''.''Literature/{{Dune}}''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in ''{{Neverwhere}}'', ''Literature/{{Neverwhere}}'', various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
* In {{Rebecca}}, ''Literature/{{Rebecca}}'', the CreepyHousekeeper Mrs Danvers very seriously encourages the second Mrs de Winter to commit suicide. That was because she was passionately devoted to the ''first'' Mrs de Winter and felt the successor was taking her place. (Mrs Danvers was, as you may presume, a total psycho.) She is not impolite or emotional when she does it, which makes it all the more scary.




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* In ''Webcomic/MenInHats'', when Jeriah asks Aram for an opinion on a {{wangst}}y poem he wrote, [[http://meninhats.com/d/20020904.html Aram holds out a knife and tells him to put it in his stomach]].
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* Another example: The Season 19 episode "Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind," where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it, but when he goes to avert it, Patty and Selma push him off.

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* ** Another example: The Season 19 episode "Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind," where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it, but when he goes to avert it, Patty and Selma push him off.
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* [[MemeticMutation "Become An Hero"]] is a very common insult on some parts the internet.
* The insult "Obviously the only rational solution to your problem is suicide."
* The term "bullycide" was invented for instances of this [[GoneHorriblyRight working.]]
* The [[http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/01/disagree_with_s.html Suicide Rock]] thought experiment.
* Unfortunately, a lot of people, especially kids and teens, get this from their parents and loved ones for a number of varying reasons. Let's just leave it at that...
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* Unfortunately, a lot of people, especially kids and teens, get this from their parents and loved ones. Let's just leave it at that...

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* Unfortunately, a lot of people, especially kids and teens, get this from their parents and loved ones.ones for a number of varying reasons. Let's just leave it at that...
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* The [[http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/01/disagree_with_s.html Suicide Rock]] thought experiment.

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* The [[http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/01/disagree_with_s.html Suicide Rock]] thought experiment.experiment.
* Unfortunately, a lot of people, especially kids and teens, get this from their parents and loved ones. Let's just leave it at that...
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* In the first season of ''{{Dexter}}'', one of the title character's targets was a SerialKiller that used this as his modus operandi; he was a psychologist who would encourage his vulnerable, mentally ill patients to kill themselves by taking an overdose.

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* In the first season of ''{{Dexter}}'', ''Series/{{Dexter}}'', one of the title character's targets was a SerialKiller that used this as his modus operandi; he was a psychologist who would encourage his vulnerable, mentally ill patients to kill themselves by taking an overdose.
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* ''Film/ItsAWonderfulLife'': Potter's cruel, heartless remark to George – "You're worth more dead than alive" – virtually drives our hero to the brink of suicide.
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* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.

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* Another example: that The Season 19 episode "Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind," where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.it, but when he goes to avert it, Patty and Selma push him off.
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* ''FanFic/BackToTheFuturePrequel'': Someone (who Doc later realizes was the villain) calls Doc on Thanksgiving to say, "Why don't you kill yourself? Nobody likes you anyway."
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* In AlanMoore's ''CaptainBritain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.

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* In AlanMoore's Creator/AlanMoore's ''CaptainBritain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.
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* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, Yami tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:

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* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, Yami tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Webcomic/SomethingPositive''. Davan tells a group of misguided ''[[Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow Rocky Horror'' fans that by protesting his ''Film/ShockTreatment'' stage adaptation, they're only helping to create more publicity for the production. When one of the protesters says it hurts to hear that, Davan offers him "a little something to ease the pain." It's a poster showing how to properly slit one's wrists.

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Webcomic/SomethingPositive''. Davan tells a group of misguided diehard ''[[Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow Rocky Horror'' Horror]]'' fans that by protesting his ''Film/ShockTreatment'' stage adaptation, they're only helping to create more publicity for the production. When one of the protesters says it hurts to hear that, Davan offers him "a little something to ease the pain." It's a poster of the Rippy the Razor mascot, showing how to properly slit one's wrists.wrists properly.

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Comicstrip/{{Dilbert}}'' in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[FateWorseThanDeath Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at IncompetenceInc has her readying to hang herself.



* [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312004.shtml This]] SomethingPositive comic.

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* [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312004.shtml This]] SomethingPositive comic.
PlayedForLaughs in ''Comicstrip/{{Dilbert}}'' in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[FateWorseThanDeath Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at IncompetenceInc has her readying to hang herself.
* PlayedForLaughs in ''ComicStrip/TheWizardOfId''. The Friar comes across a crowd of people chanting, "Jump! Jump! Jump!" at a suicidal man on a ledge.
--> '''Friar:''' What's the matter with you people? Can't you see this poor man needs help?\\
'''Crowd:''' Push him! Push him! Push him!


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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Webcomic/SomethingPositive''. Davan tells a group of misguided ''[[Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow Rocky Horror'' fans that by protesting his ''Film/ShockTreatment'' stage adaptation, they're only helping to create more publicity for the production. When one of the protesters says it hurts to hear that, Davan offers him "a little something to ease the pain." It's a poster showing how to properly slit one's wrists.
* In ''Webcomic/PennyAndAggie'', [[spoiler:Cyndi]] does this indirectly with her morally conflicted kidnapper, [[spoiler:Charlotte]], using ReversePsychology.
--> [Suicide's] not an option for you. I mean, if you were gonna do that, you already would have. The knife is right there. You're just gonna have to live with what you've done.
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If a character does this ''seriously'', with the intent of actually driving someone to it, we're probably dealing with a CompleteMonster - the only time they can pull this off and retain a shred of sympathy is if [[KickTheSonOfABitch the target is a terrible person themselves.]]

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If a character does this ''seriously'', with the intent of actually driving someone to it, we're probably dealing with a CompleteMonster - the only time they can pull this off and retain a shred of sympathy is if [[KickTheSonOfABitch the target is a terrible person themselves.]]
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This is one of the worst insults you can dole out. It's ''dangerous'', especially if the target is already depressed or mentally ill. It's also so offensive that saying it to someone as a joke is rare, even among people that usually take RefugeInVulgarity.

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This is one of the worst insults you can dole out. It's ''dangerous'', especially if the target is already depressed or mentally ill. It's also so offensive that saying it to someone as a joke is rare, even among people that usually take RefugeInVulgarity.
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...And it says much more about the person saying it than the recipient. It's often a used as a bloodless MoralEventHorizon, at the least launching a character straight into JerkAss territory and making the audience seriously question his/her sense of empathy. Good guys almost never do it, unless they're a HeroicSociopath in a SadistShow. A JustJokingJustification may be used if the offender's called out on it, [[DudeNotFunny but it usually falls flat, both with the other characters and the audience.]]

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...And it says much more about the person saying it than the recipient. It's often a used as a bloodless MoralEventHorizon, at the least launching a character straight into JerkAss territory and making the audience seriously question his/her sense of empathy. Good guys almost never do it, unless they're a HeroicSociopath SociopathicHero in a SadistShow. A JustJokingJustification may be used if the offender's called out on it, [[DudeNotFunny but it usually falls flat, both with the other characters and the audience.]]



* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[HeroicSociopath Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:

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* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[HeroicSociopath Yami]] Yami tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:

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* In ''CanadianBacon'', the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...
* Happens in ''Film/LethalWeapon'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[ChainedHeat handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[TakingYouWithMe pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
** Immediately afterwards, Murtaugh, furious with Riggs, drags Riggs into a nearby building and they being arguing. Murtaugh thinks Riggs is suicidal and is a danger to himself and others. Murtaugh tells Riggs [[GetItOverWith to just kill himself already]]. Riggs actually pulls out his gun and points it at his head, screaming at Murtaugh that he'll do it. Murtaugh one-ups this and yells ''back'', telling him to ''go ahead and do it'', since it'd be doing him a favor.



* In AlanMoore's ''Captain Britain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.

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* In AlanMoore's ''Captain Britain'' ''CaptainBritain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.



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* In ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'', Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.

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* In ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'', Madd Dogg is ''CanadianBacon'', the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...
* Happens in ''Film/LethalWeapon'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing
on top the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[ChainedHeat handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[TakingYouWithMe pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
** Immediately afterwards, Murtaugh, furious with Riggs, drags Riggs into a nearby
building thinking about jumping after losing all and they being arguing. Murtaugh thinks Riggs is suicidal and is a danger to himself and others. Murtaugh tells Riggs [[GetItOverWith to just kill himself already]]. Riggs actually pulls out his money gun and points it at his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage head, screaming at Murtaugh that he'll do it. Murtaugh one-ups this and yells ''back'', telling him to jump.
''go ahead and do it'', since it'd be doing him a favor. Ultimately, Murtaugh is horrified when Riggs almost goes through with it. He assumed he was bluffing.

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* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Ankh-Morpork citizens spying a potential building jumper will start shouting advice on the best buildings to jump from. PlayedForLaughs, (like virtually everything else) in Ankh-Morpork.
* Denethor in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', (book and film) after passing the DespairEventHorizon: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* Creator/CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of ''Literature/AChristmasCarol''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
* BackStory of ''{{Dune}}''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in ''{{Neverwhere}}'', various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
* In {{Rebecca}}, the CreepyHousekeeper Mrs Danvers very seriously encourages the second Mrs de Winter to commit suicide. That was because she was passionately devoted to the ''first'' Mrs de Winter and felt the successor was taking her place. (Mrs Danvers was, as you may presume, a total psycho.) She is not impolite or emotional when she does it, which makes it all the more scary.



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* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Ankh-Morpork citizens spying a potential building jumper will start shouting advice on the best buildings to jump from. PlayedForLaughs, (like virtually everything else) in Ankh-Morpork.
* Denethor in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', (book and film) after passing the DespairEventHorizon: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* Creator/CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of ''Literature/AChristmasCarol''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
* BackStory of ''{{Dune}}''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in Neverwhere, various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
* In {{Rebecca}}, the CreepyHousekeeper Mrs Danvers very seriously encourages the second Mrs de Winter to commit suicide. That was because she was passionately devoted to the ''first'' Mrs de Winter and felt the successor was taking her place. (Mrs Danvers was, as you may presume, a total psycho.) She is not impolite or emotional when she does it, which makes it all the more scary.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer deliberates a little too long in a line to jump off a skyscraper, the guy behind him says "Less chat, more splat, pal" and pushes him off. Subverted both in that Homer wasn't hurt by the fall, and because the guy was planning to do the same thing himself immediately afterwards, so he wasn't being a hypocrite.
* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.
* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.
** Another episode has Stan calling a shopping network when his grandfather was spending all his savings buying from them, and, in a nod to the Bill Hicks example below, telling the presenters to kill themselves for taking advantage of old people. [[spoiler:In the end, it works.]]

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* ''FiveSecondFilms'' has the inventor of time travel [[DidNotEatTheMousse and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.
** Also from FiveSecondFilms, [[http://5secondfilms.com/watch/ask_a_lobster Ask a Lobster]]:
-->"Hey lobster. How do I make money off the internet?"
-->"Oh, oh. Kill yourself."
* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[HeroicSociopath Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
-->'''Yugi''': Hey, why don't you threaten to kill yourself again? Only this time, actually do it!
* [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312004.shtml this Somthing Positive comic]]



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* ''FiveSecondFilms'' has the inventor of time travel [[DidNotEatTheMousse and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.
** Also from FiveSecondFilms, [[http://5secondfilms.com/watch/ask_a_lobster Ask a Lobster]]:
-->"Hey lobster. How do I make money off the internet?"
-->"Oh, oh. Kill yourself."
* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[HeroicSociopath Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
-->'''Yugi''': Hey, why don't you threaten to kill yourself again? Only this time, actually do it!
* [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312004.shtml This]] SomethingPositive comic.

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* Played for dark humour by Creator/BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] in the audience to kill themselves.



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* Played for dark humour by Creator/BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] in the audience to kill themselves.

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* Played for dark humour by Creator/BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] In ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'', Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer deliberates a little too long
in a line to jump off a skyscraper, the audience guy behind him says "Less chat, more splat, pal" and pushes him off. Subverted both in that Homer wasn't hurt by the fall, and because the guy was planning to do the same thing himself immediately afterwards, so he wasn't being a hypocrite.
* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge
to kill themselves.
himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.
* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.
** Another episode has Stan calling a shopping network when his grandfather was spending all his savings buying from them, and, in a nod to the Bill Hicks example below, telling the presenters to kill themselves for taking advantage of old people. [[spoiler:In the end, it works.]]
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* Creator/CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of ''AChristmasCarol''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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* Creator/CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of ''AChristmasCarol''.''Literature/AChristmasCarol''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
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* Played for dark humour by BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] in the audience to kill themselves.

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* Played for dark humour by BillHicks Creator/BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] in the audience to kill themselves.
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* ''TheBennyHillShow'': Benny is a minister who happens upon a man (offscreen) who is threatening to jump off a ledge. Benny [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfpde4_benny-hill-was-a-leeds-fan_fun tries to talk him down]] but the guy will have none of it.

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* ''TheBennyHillShow'': ''Series/TheBennyHillShow'': Benny is a minister who happens upon a man (offscreen) who is threatening to jump off a ledge. Benny [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfpde4_benny-hill-was-a-leeds-fan_fun tries to talk him down]] but the guy will have none of it.
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* ''PearlsBeforeSwine'': In one set of episodes, Rat takes a job as a late night radio show host, which means that he gets to listen to people call in to say that they abducted by aliens and things like. One such person calls from his truck to say that aliens took his brain. Rat responds by saying that the aliens took his brain because he's a smart fellow, that they'll want the rest of his organs for military use and he must not let that happen. The caller panics and asks what should he do. Rat tells him to drive off a cliff. The caller does it, and lets out an [="AAAaaahhh=]" as he falls. One staff member points out the F.C.C. frowns on killing listeners and Rat says "Rules rules rules." This one is PlayedForLaughs, but since it's BlackComedy, YourMileageMayVary on whether or not you find it funny.

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* ''PearlsBeforeSwine'': In one set of episodes, Rat takes a job as a late night radio show host, which means that he gets to listen to people call in to say that they abducted by aliens and things like. One such person calls from his truck to say that aliens took his brain. Rat responds by saying that the aliens took his brain because he's a smart fellow, that they'll want the rest of his organs for military use and he must not let that happen. The caller panics and asks what should he do. Rat tells him to drive off a cliff. The caller does it, and lets out an [="AAAaaahhh=]" as he falls. One staff member points out the F.C.C. frowns on killing listeners and Rat says "Rules rules rules." This one is PlayedForLaughs, but since it's BlackComedy, YourMileageMayVary on whether or not you find it funny.
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->"Planning suicide? Then get to it."
-->--Kimura's boss to Suzuki, Anime/{{Tekkon Kinkreet}}

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-->--Kimura's boss to Suzuki, Anime/{{Tekkon Kinkreet}}
Kinkreet}}



...And it says much more about the person saying it than the recipient. It's often a used as a bloodless MoralEventHorizon, at the least launching a character straight into JerkAss territory and making the audience seriously question his/her sense of empathy. Good guys almost never do it, unless they're a HeroicSociopath in a SadistShow. A JustJokingJustification may be used if the offender's called out on it, [[DudeNotFunny but it usually falls flat, both with the other characters and the audience.]]

If a character does this ''seriously'', with the intent of actually driving someone to it, we're probably dealing with a CompleteMonster - the only time they can pull this off and retain a shred of sympathy is if [[KickTheSonOfABitch the target is a terrible person themselves.]]

LeaveBehindAPistol is similar, but done with different intent. Compare GoYeHeroesGoAndDie, which does this by accident (normally).

TruthInTelevision, and often goes hand-in-hand with KidsAreCruel and TeensAreMonsters.

!!Examples

[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]

* In Anime/{{Monster}}, Johan does this to several characters, most notably when he teaches kids to balance themselves on guardrails as a "game."
* The ''Anime/{{Tekkonkinkreet}}'' quote at the top of the page. A rare example of a character not meaning this seriously.
* In the second episode of ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' Izaya Orihara talks a girl into committing suicide using what can only be described as reverse reverse psychology.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]

* In ''CanadianBacon'', the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...
* Happens in ''Film/LethalWeapon'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[ChainedHeat handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[TakingYouWithMe pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
** Immediately afterwards, Murtaugh, furious with Riggs, drags Riggs into a nearby building and they being arguing. Murtaugh thinks Riggs is suicidal and is a danger to himself and others. Murtaugh tells Riggs [[GetItOverWith to just kill himself already]]. Riggs actually pulls out his gun and points it at his head, screaming at Murtaugh that he'll do it. Murtaugh one-ups this and yells ''back'', telling him to ''go ahead and do it'', since it'd be doing him a favor.

[[AC:{{Comics}}]]

* D-list villain Whirlwind verbally demoralized Hank Pym to the point that Hank put a gun to his head in a once-controversial '' [[Comicbook/TheAvengers West Coast Avengers]]'' storyline. Only another superhero interrupting Hank prevented it from being a successful attempt.
* This is how the ''GreatLakesAvengers'' defeated [[spoiler: Maelstrom]] in their miniseries: Mr. immortal convinces the villain that life isn't worth living, and even "goes first" to cap his argument, prompting said villain to blast their own head off.
* ''CaptainAmerica'' once defeated [[AllYourPowersCombined the Super-Adaptoid]] -- who was at that time nigh-omnipotent thanks to a Cosmic McGuffin -- by [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath convincing it]] that the thing that kept it from equalling his [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower "human spirit"]] was that it could not die. The Adaptoid proceeded to prove Cap wrong by ''dying on the spot'', thereby ending its threat.
* In AlanMoore's ''Captain Britain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.
* PlayedForLaughs in ''Comicstrip/{{Dilbert}}'' in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[FateWorseThanDeath Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at IncompetenceInc has her readying to hang herself.
* MsMarvel: It is revealed that the selfish, amoral psychologist and psychiatrist Dr. Karla Sofen (AKA Moonstone) convinced depressed patients to kill themselves while she watched. Despite this, there have been a number of attempts to redeem her. If the characters knew the character the way the reader does, they would stop trying to redeem her, and either kill her or give her a FateWorseThanDeath.
* ''PearlsBeforeSwine'': In one set of episodes, Rat takes a job as a late night radio show host, which means that he gets to listen to people call in to say that they abducted by aliens and things like. One such person calls from his truck to say that aliens took his brain. Rat responds by saying that the aliens took his brain because he's a smart fellow, that they'll want the rest of his organs for military use and he must not let that happen. The caller panics and asks what should he do. Rat tells him to drive off a cliff. The caller does it, and lets out an [="AAAaaahhh=]" as he falls. One staff member points out the F.C.C. frowns on killing listeners and Rat says "Rules rules rules." This one is PlayedForLaughs, but since it's BlackComedy, YourMileageMayVary on whether or not you find it funny.

[[AC:VideoGames]]

* In ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'', Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.

[[AC:LiveActionTV]]

* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "Dalek", the Ninth Doctor delivers this line almost verbatim to the titular creature, and gets a great big ShutUpHannibal for his efforts. An unusual case of the [[AntiHero (anti-)]]hero delivering this line to the villain.
** The Doctor was also pretty insistant Lady Cassandra die, not just due to being a sociopathic mass murderer that takes over people's bodies, but he believes she has so greatly outlived her deserved lifespan.
* On ''The Story Of Tracy Beaker'' (a live action children's show based on the series of books by JacquelineWilson) a character brushed off the main character by telling her to "go and play in the traffic".
* In the first season of ''{{Dexter}}'', one of the title character's targets was a SerialKiller that used this as his modus operandi; he was a psychologist who would encourage his vulnerable, mentally ill patients to kill themselves by taking an overdose.
* Women on ''{{Maury}}'' who are looking for their babies' daddies sometimes say this when the possible daddy is particularly belligerent about paternity. Subverted in that the daddies (probably) aren't suicidal.
* ''TheBennyHillShow'': Benny is a minister who happens upon a man (offscreen) who is threatening to jump off a ledge. Benny [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfpde4_benny-hill-was-a-leeds-fan_fun tries to talk him down]] but the guy will have none of it.
-->Benny: Don't jump! Think of your wife and family.
-->Man: I am. That's why I'm jumping.
-->''snip''
-->Benny: Think of next Saturday, going to Elland Road and seeing our beloved Leeds United play?
-->Man: I hate Leeds United. I'm a Liverpool fan.
-->Benny: Well, flaming well jump then!
* ''Series/{{MASH}}'': Col. Potter deals with a suicidal patient by giving him the RadishCure: Potter puts the mask from the knockout gas on the boy and forces him to continue to breathe in the fumes even when the boy tries to struggle free. Potter then points out the dichotomy, which makes the patient no longer suicidal.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]

* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Ankh-Morpork citizens spying a potential building jumper will start shouting advice on the best buildings to jump from. PlayedForLaughs, (like virtually everything else) in Ankh-Morpork.
* Denethor in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', (book and film) after passing the DespairEventHorizon: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of ''AChristmasCarol''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
* BackStory of ''{{Dune}}''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in Neverwhere, various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
* In {{Rebecca}}, the CreepyHousekeeper Mrs Danvers very seriously encourages the second Mrs de Winter to commit suicide. That was because she was passionately devoted to the ''first'' Mrs de Winter and felt the successor was taking her place. (Mrs Danvers was, as you may presume, a total psycho.) She is not impolite or emotional when she does it, which makes it all the more scary.

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]

* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer deliberates a little too long in a line to jump off a skyscraper, the guy behind him says "Less chat, more splat, pal" and pushes him off. Subverted both in that Homer wasn't hurt by the fall, and because the guy was planning to do the same thing himself immediately afterwards, so he wasn't being a hypocrite.
* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.
* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.

to:

...And it says much more about the person saying it than the recipient. It's often a used as a bloodless MoralEventHorizon, at the least launching a character straight into JerkAss territory and making the audience seriously question his/her sense of empathy. Good guys almost never do it, unless they're a HeroicSociopath in a SadistShow. A JustJokingJustification may be used if the offender's called out on it, [[DudeNotFunny but it usually falls flat, both with the other characters and the audience.]]

]]

If a character does this ''seriously'', with the intent of actually driving someone to it, we're probably dealing with a CompleteMonster - the only time they can pull this off and retain a shred of sympathy is if [[KickTheSonOfABitch the target is a terrible person themselves.]]

]]

LeaveBehindAPistol is similar, but done with different intent. Compare GoYeHeroesGoAndDie, which does this by accident (normally).

(normally).

TruthInTelevision, and often goes hand-in-hand with KidsAreCruel and TeensAreMonsters.

!!Examples

[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]

TeensAreMonsters.

!!Examples

[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]

* In Anime/{{Monster}}, Johan does this to several characters, most notably when he teaches kids to balance themselves on guardrails as a "game."
"
* The ''Anime/{{Tekkonkinkreet}}'' quote at the top of the page. A rare example of a character not meaning this seriously.
seriously.
* In the second episode of ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' Izaya Orihara talks a girl into committing suicide using what can only be described as reverse reverse psychology.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]

psychology.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]

* In ''CanadianBacon'', the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...
consequences...
* Happens in ''Film/LethalWeapon'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[ChainedHeat handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[TakingYouWithMe pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
up.
** Immediately afterwards, Murtaugh, furious with Riggs, drags Riggs into a nearby building and they being arguing. Murtaugh thinks Riggs is suicidal and is a danger to himself and others. Murtaugh tells Riggs [[GetItOverWith to just kill himself already]]. Riggs actually pulls out his gun and points it at his head, screaming at Murtaugh that he'll do it. Murtaugh one-ups this and yells ''back'', telling him to ''go ahead and do it'', since it'd be doing him a favor.

[[AC:{{Comics}}]]

favor.

[[AC:{{Comics}}]]

* D-list villain Whirlwind verbally demoralized Hank Pym to the point that Hank put a gun to his head in a once-controversial '' [[Comicbook/TheAvengers West Coast Avengers]]'' storyline. Only another superhero interrupting Hank prevented it from being a successful attempt.
attempt.
* This is how the ''GreatLakesAvengers'' defeated [[spoiler: Maelstrom]] in their miniseries: Mr. immortal convinces the villain that life isn't worth living, and even "goes first" to cap his argument, prompting said villain to blast their own head off.
off.
* ''CaptainAmerica'' once defeated [[AllYourPowersCombined the Super-Adaptoid]] -- who was at that time nigh-omnipotent thanks to a Cosmic McGuffin -- by [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath convincing it]] that the thing that kept it from equalling his [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower "human spirit"]] was that it could not die. The Adaptoid proceeded to prove Cap wrong by ''dying on the spot'', thereby ending its threat.
threat.
* In AlanMoore's ''Captain Britain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.
deaths.
* PlayedForLaughs in ''Comicstrip/{{Dilbert}}'' in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[FateWorseThanDeath Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at IncompetenceInc has her readying to hang herself.
herself.
* MsMarvel: It is revealed that the selfish, amoral psychologist and psychiatrist Dr. Karla Sofen (AKA Moonstone) convinced depressed patients to kill themselves while she watched. Despite this, there have been a number of attempts to redeem her. If the characters knew the character the way the reader does, they would stop trying to redeem her, and either kill her or give her a FateWorseThanDeath.
FateWorseThanDeath.
* ''PearlsBeforeSwine'': In one set of episodes, Rat takes a job as a late night radio show host, which means that he gets to listen to people call in to say that they abducted by aliens and things like. One such person calls from his truck to say that aliens took his brain. Rat responds by saying that the aliens took his brain because he's a smart fellow, that they'll want the rest of his organs for military use and he must not let that happen. The caller panics and asks what should he do. Rat tells him to drive off a cliff. The caller does it, and lets out an [="AAAaaahhh=]" as he falls. One staff member points out the F.C.C. frowns on killing listeners and Rat says "Rules rules rules." This one is PlayedForLaughs, but since it's BlackComedy, YourMileageMayVary on whether or not you find it funny.

[[AC:VideoGames]]

funny.

[[AC:VideoGames]]

* In ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'', Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.

[[AC:LiveActionTV]]

jump.

[[AC:LiveActionTV]]

* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "Dalek", the Ninth Doctor delivers this line almost verbatim to the titular creature, and gets a great big ShutUpHannibal for his efforts. An unusual case of the [[AntiHero (anti-)]]hero delivering this line to the villain.
villain.
** The Doctor was also pretty insistant Lady Cassandra die, not just due to being a sociopathic mass murderer that takes over people's bodies, but he believes she has so greatly outlived her deserved lifespan.
lifespan.
* On ''The Story Of Tracy Beaker'' (a live action children's show based on the series of books by JacquelineWilson) a character brushed off the main character by telling her to "go and play in the traffic".
traffic".
* In the first season of ''{{Dexter}}'', one of the title character's targets was a SerialKiller that used this as his modus operandi; he was a psychologist who would encourage his vulnerable, mentally ill patients to kill themselves by taking an overdose.
overdose.
* Women on ''{{Maury}}'' who are looking for their babies' daddies sometimes say this when the possible daddy is particularly belligerent about paternity. Subverted in that the daddies (probably) aren't suicidal.
suicidal.
* ''TheBennyHillShow'': Benny is a minister who happens upon a man (offscreen) who is threatening to jump off a ledge. Benny [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfpde4_benny-hill-was-a-leeds-fan_fun tries to talk him down]] but the guy will have none of it.
it.
-->Benny: Don't jump! Think of your wife and family.
family.
-->Man: I am. That's why I'm jumping.
-->''snip''
jumping.
-->''snip''
-->Benny: Think of next Saturday, going to Elland Road and seeing our beloved Leeds United play?
play?
-->Man: I hate Leeds United. I'm a Liverpool fan.
fan.
-->Benny: Well, flaming well jump then!
then!
* ''Series/{{MASH}}'': Col. Potter deals with a suicidal patient by giving him the RadishCure: Potter puts the mask from the knockout gas on the boy and forces him to continue to breathe in the fumes even when the boy tries to struggle free. Potter then points out the dichotomy, which makes the patient no longer suicidal.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]

suicidal.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]

* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Ankh-Morpork citizens spying a potential building jumper will start shouting advice on the best buildings to jump from. PlayedForLaughs, (like virtually everything else) in Ankh-Morpork.
Ankh-Morpork.
* Denethor in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', (book and film) after passing the DespairEventHorizon: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
"
* CharlesDickens Creator/CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of ''AChristmasCarol''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
"
* BackStory of ''{{Dune}}''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in Neverwhere, various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
idea.
* In {{Rebecca}}, the CreepyHousekeeper Mrs Danvers very seriously encourages the second Mrs de Winter to commit suicide. That was because she was passionately devoted to the ''first'' Mrs de Winter and felt the successor was taking her place. (Mrs Danvers was, as you may presume, a total psycho.) She is not impolite or emotional when she does it, which makes it all the more scary.

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]

scary.

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]

* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer deliberates a little too long in a line to jump off a skyscraper, the guy behind him says "Less chat, more splat, pal" and pushes him off. Subverted both in that Homer wasn't hurt by the fall, and because the guy was planning to do the same thing himself immediately afterwards, so he wasn't being a hypocrite.
hypocrite.
* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.
it.
* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''.
''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
Hayley.
* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.



[[AC:NewMedia]]

* ''FiveSecondFilms'' has the inventor of time travel [[DidNotEatTheMousse and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.
** Also from FiveSecondFilms, [[http://5secondfilms.com/watch/ask_a_lobster Ask a Lobster]]:
-->"Hey lobster. How do I make money off the internet?"
-->"Oh, oh. Kill yourself."
* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[HeroicSociopath Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
-->'''Yugi''': Hey, why don't you threaten to kill yourself again? Only this time, actually do it!

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[[AC:NewMedia]]

[[AC:NewMedia]]

* ''FiveSecondFilms'' has the inventor of time travel [[DidNotEatTheMousse and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.
to.
** Also from FiveSecondFilms, [[http://5secondfilms.com/watch/ask_a_lobster Ask a Lobster]]:
Lobster]]:
-->"Hey lobster. How do I make money off the internet?"
internet?"
-->"Oh, oh. Kill yourself."
"
* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[HeroicSociopath Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
duel:
-->'''Yugi''': Hey, why don't you threaten to kill yourself again? Only this time, actually do it! it!



[[AC:{{Music}}]]

* The BloodhoundGang song "Lift Your Head Up High (And Blow Your Brains Out)"
* The song "Backmask Warning!" by MindlessSelfIndulgence has this as it's central theme, with the chorus encouraging the listener to go kill themselves, with the verses featuring all kinds of horrific imagery that presumably would also encourage suicide:
-->''Hate and devour the young and the weaker ones, and dont forget the guns''
-->''You're gonna need em to go kill yourself''
-->''All the people you love in a river of blood''
-->''And dont forget the guns''
-->''You're gonna need em to DESTROY''

[[AC:{{Theatre}}]]

* [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] and [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in ''Theatre/RichardIII''
-->'''Lady Anne:''' Arise, dissembler; thought I wish thy death, I will not be the executioner
-->'''Gloucester:''' Then bid me kill myself, and I will do it.
-->'''Lady Anne:''' I have already
-->'''Gloucester:''' Tush, that was in thy rage; speak it again, and, even with the word, that hand, which, for thy love, did kill thy love, shall, for thy love, kill a far truer love; to both their deaths thou shalt be accessary.

[[AC:StandUpComedy]]

* Played for dark humour by BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] in the audience to kill themselves.

[[AC:RealLife]]

* [[MemeticMutation "Become An Hero"]] is a very common insult on some parts the internet.
* The insult "Obviously the only rational solution to your problem is suicide."
* The term "bullycide" was invented for instances of this [[GoneHorriblyRight working.]]

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[[AC:{{Music}}]]

[[AC:{{Music}}]]

* The BloodhoundGang song "Lift Your Head Up High (And Blow Your Brains Out)"
Out)"
* The song "Backmask Warning!" by MindlessSelfIndulgence has this as it's central theme, with the chorus encouraging the listener to go kill themselves, with the verses featuring all kinds of horrific imagery that presumably would also encourage suicide:
suicide:
-->''Hate and devour the young and the weaker ones, and dont forget the guns''
guns''
-->''You're gonna need em to go kill yourself''
yourself''
-->''All the people you love in a river of blood''
blood''
-->''And dont forget the guns''
guns''
-->''You're gonna need em to DESTROY''

[[AC:{{Theatre}}]]

DESTROY''

[[AC:{{Theatre}}]]

* [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] and [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in ''Theatre/RichardIII''
''Theatre/RichardIII''
-->'''Lady Anne:''' Arise, dissembler; thought I wish thy death, I will not be the executioner
executioner
-->'''Gloucester:''' Then bid me kill myself, and I will do it.
it.
-->'''Lady Anne:''' I have already
already
-->'''Gloucester:''' Tush, that was in thy rage; speak it again, and, even with the word, that hand, which, for thy love, did kill thy love, shall, for thy love, kill a far truer love; to both their deaths thou shalt be accessary.

[[AC:StandUpComedy]]

accessary.

[[AC:StandUpComedy]]

* Played for dark humour by BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] in the audience to kill themselves.

[[AC:RealLife]]

themselves.

[[AC:RealLife]]

* [[MemeticMutation "Become An Hero"]] is a very common insult on some parts the internet.
internet.
* The insult "Obviously the only rational solution to your problem is suicide."
"
* The term "bullycide" was invented for instances of this [[GoneHorriblyRight working.]] ]]
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* Happens in ''LethalWeapon'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[ChainedHeat handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[TakingYouWithMe pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.

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* Happens in ''LethalWeapon'' ''Film/LethalWeapon'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[ChainedHeat handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[TakingYouWithMe pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
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Killing a sinkhole.


This is one of the worst insults you can dole out. It's ''dangerous'', especially if the target is already depressed or mentally ill. It's also so offensive that saying it to someone as a joke is rare, even among people that usually take RefugeInVulgarity. In short, [[{{Understatement}} it's kind of a dick move.]]

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This is one of the worst insults you can dole out. It's ''dangerous'', especially if the target is already depressed or mentally ill. It's also so offensive that saying it to someone as a joke is rare, even among people that usually take RefugeInVulgarity. In short, [[{{Understatement}} it's kind of a dick move.]]
RefugeInVulgarity.
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-->--Kimura's boss to Suzuki, {{Tekkonkinkreet}}

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-->--Kimura's boss to Suzuki, {{Tekkonkinkreet}}
Anime/{{Tekkon Kinkreet}}



* The {{Tekkonkinkreet}} quote at the top of the page. A rare example of a character not meaning this seriously.
* In the second episode of ''{{Durarara}}'' Izaya Orihara talks a girl into committing suicide using what can only be described as reverse reverse psychology.

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* The {{Tekkonkinkreet}} ''Anime/{{Tekkonkinkreet}}'' quote at the top of the page. A rare example of a character not meaning this seriously.
* In the second episode of ''{{Durarara}}'' ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' Izaya Orihara talks a girl into committing suicide using what can only be described as reverse reverse psychology.



* In CanadianBacon, the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...

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* In CanadianBacon, ''CanadianBacon'', the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...



* This is how the GreatLakesAvengers defeated [[spoiler: Maelstrom]] in their miniseries: Mr. immortal convinces the villain that life isn't worth living, and even "goes first" to cap his argument, prompting said villain to blast their own head off.
* CaptainAmerica once defeated [[AllYourPowersCombined the Super-Adaptoid]] -- who was at that time nigh-omnipotent thanks to a Cosmic McGuffin -- by [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath convincing it]] that the thing that kept it from equalling his [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower "human spirit"]] was that it could not die. The Adaptoid proceeded to prove Cap wrong by ''dying on the spot'', thereby ending its threat.

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* This is how the GreatLakesAvengers ''GreatLakesAvengers'' defeated [[spoiler: Maelstrom]] in their miniseries: Mr. immortal convinces the villain that life isn't worth living, and even "goes first" to cap his argument, prompting said villain to blast their own head off.
* CaptainAmerica ''CaptainAmerica'' once defeated [[AllYourPowersCombined the Super-Adaptoid]] -- who was at that time nigh-omnipotent thanks to a Cosmic McGuffin -- by [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath convincing it]] that the thing that kept it from equalling his [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower "human spirit"]] was that it could not die. The Adaptoid proceeded to prove Cap wrong by ''dying on the spot'', thereby ending its threat.



* PlayedForLaughs in {{Dilbert}} in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[FateWorseThanDeath Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at IncompetenceInc has her readying to hang herself.

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* PlayedForLaughs in {{Dilbert}} ''Comicstrip/{{Dilbert}}'' in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[FateWorseThanDeath Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at IncompetenceInc has her readying to hang herself.



* In GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas, Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.

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* In GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas, ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'', Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.



* In the DoctorWho episode "Dalek", the Ninth Doctor delivers this line almost verbatim to the titular creature, and gets a great big ShutUpHannibal for his efforts. An unusual case of the [[AntiHero (anti-)]]hero delivering this line to the villain.

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* In the DoctorWho ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "Dalek", the Ninth Doctor delivers this line almost verbatim to the titular creature, and gets a great big ShutUpHannibal for his efforts. An unusual case of the [[AntiHero (anti-)]]hero delivering this line to the villain.



* Women on {{Maury}} who are looking for their babies' daddies sometimes say this when the possible daddy is particularly belligerent about paternity. Subverted in that the daddies (probably) aren't suicidal.

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* Women on {{Maury}} ''{{Maury}}'' who are looking for their babies' daddies sometimes say this when the possible daddy is particularly belligerent about paternity. Subverted in that the daddies (probably) aren't suicidal.



* ''{{MASH}}'': Col. Potter deals with a suicidal patient by giving him the RadishCure: Potter puts the mask from the knockout gas on the boy and forces him to continue to breathe in the fumes even when the boy tries to struggle free. Potter then points out the dichotomy, which makes the patient no longer suicidal.

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* ''{{MASH}}'': ''Series/{{MASH}}'': Col. Potter deals with a suicidal patient by giving him the RadishCure: Potter puts the mask from the knockout gas on the boy and forces him to continue to breathe in the fumes even when the boy tries to struggle free. Potter then points out the dichotomy, which makes the patient no longer suicidal.



* Denethor in ''TheLordOfTheRings'', (book and film) after passing the DespairEventHorizon: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of AChristmasCarol. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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* Denethor in ''TheLordOfTheRings'', ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', (book and film) after passing the DespairEventHorizon: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of AChristmasCarol.''AChristmasCarol''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."



* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''FamilyGuy''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''AmericanDad'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* One episode of ''SouthPark'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.

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* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''FamilyGuy''.''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''AmericanDad'' ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* One episode of ''SouthPark'' ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.



* FiveSecondFilms has the inventor of time travel [[DidNotEatTheMousse and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.

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* FiveSecondFilms ''FiveSecondFilms'' has the inventor of time travel [[DidNotEatTheMousse and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.



* [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] and [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in ''RichardIII''

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* [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] and [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in ''RichardIII'' ''Theatre/RichardIII''
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* [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312004.shtml this Somthing Positive comic]]
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* One episode of South Park has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.

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* One episode of South Park ''SouthPark'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.
** Another episode has Stan calling a shopping network when his grandfather was spending all his savings buying from them, and, in a nod to the Bill Hicks example below, telling the presenters to kill themselves for taking advantage of old people. [[spoiler:In the end, it works.]]
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->"Planning suicide? Then get to it."
-->--Kimura's boss to Suzuki, {{Tekkonkinkreet}}

This is one of the worst insults you can dole out. It's ''dangerous'', especially if the target is already depressed or mentally ill. It's also so offensive that saying it to someone as a joke is rare, even among people that usually take RefugeInVulgarity. In short, [[{{Understatement}} it's kind of a dick move.]]

...And it says much more about the person saying it than the recipient. It's often a used as a bloodless MoralEventHorizon, at the least launching a character straight into JerkAss territory and making the audience seriously question his/her sense of empathy. Good guys almost never do it, unless they're a HeroicSociopath in a SadistShow. A JustJokingJustification may be used if the offender's called out on it, [[DudeNotFunny but it usually falls flat, both with the other characters and the audience.]]

If a character does this ''seriously'', with the intent of actually driving someone to it, we're probably dealing with a CompleteMonster - the only time they can pull this off and retain a shred of sympathy is if [[KickTheSonOfABitch the target is a terrible person themselves.]]

LeaveBehindAPistol is similar, but done with different intent. Compare GoYeHeroesGoAndDie, which does this by accident (normally).

TruthInTelevision, and often goes hand-in-hand with KidsAreCruel and TeensAreMonsters.

!!Examples

[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]

* In Anime/{{Monster}}, Johan does this to several characters, most notably when he teaches kids to balance themselves on guardrails as a "game."
* The {{Tekkonkinkreet}} quote at the top of the page. A rare example of a character not meaning this seriously.
* In the second episode of ''{{Durarara}}'' Izaya Orihara talks a girl into committing suicide using what can only be described as reverse reverse psychology.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]

* In CanadianBacon, the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...
* Happens in ''LethalWeapon'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[ChainedHeat handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[TakingYouWithMe pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
** Immediately afterwards, Murtaugh, furious with Riggs, drags Riggs into a nearby building and they being arguing. Murtaugh thinks Riggs is suicidal and is a danger to himself and others. Murtaugh tells Riggs [[GetItOverWith to just kill himself already]]. Riggs actually pulls out his gun and points it at his head, screaming at Murtaugh that he'll do it. Murtaugh one-ups this and yells ''back'', telling him to ''go ahead and do it'', since it'd be doing him a favor.

[[AC:{{Comics}}]]

* D-list villain Whirlwind verbally demoralized Hank Pym to the point that Hank put a gun to his head in a once-controversial '' [[Comicbook/TheAvengers West Coast Avengers]]'' storyline. Only another superhero interrupting Hank prevented it from being a successful attempt.
* This is how the GreatLakesAvengers defeated [[spoiler: Maelstrom]] in their miniseries: Mr. immortal convinces the villain that life isn't worth living, and even "goes first" to cap his argument, prompting said villain to blast their own head off.
* CaptainAmerica once defeated [[AllYourPowersCombined the Super-Adaptoid]] -- who was at that time nigh-omnipotent thanks to a Cosmic McGuffin -- by [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath convincing it]] that the thing that kept it from equalling his [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower "human spirit"]] was that it could not die. The Adaptoid proceeded to prove Cap wrong by ''dying on the spot'', thereby ending its threat.
* In AlanMoore's ''Captain Britain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.
* PlayedForLaughs in {{Dilbert}} in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[FateWorseThanDeath Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at IncompetenceInc has her readying to hang herself.
* MsMarvel: It is revealed that the selfish, amoral psychologist and psychiatrist Dr. Karla Sofen (AKA Moonstone) convinced depressed patients to kill themselves while she watched. Despite this, there have been a number of attempts to redeem her. If the characters knew the character the way the reader does, they would stop trying to redeem her, and either kill her or give her a FateWorseThanDeath.
* ''PearlsBeforeSwine'': In one set of episodes, Rat takes a job as a late night radio show host, which means that he gets to listen to people call in to say that they abducted by aliens and things like. One such person calls from his truck to say that aliens took his brain. Rat responds by saying that the aliens took his brain because he's a smart fellow, that they'll want the rest of his organs for military use and he must not let that happen. The caller panics and asks what should he do. Rat tells him to drive off a cliff. The caller does it, and lets out an [="AAAaaahhh=]" as he falls. One staff member points out the F.C.C. frowns on killing listeners and Rat says "Rules rules rules." This one is PlayedForLaughs, but since it's BlackComedy, YourMileageMayVary on whether or not you find it funny.

[[AC:VideoGames]]

* In GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas, Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.

[[AC:LiveActionTV]]

* In the DoctorWho episode "Dalek", the Ninth Doctor delivers this line almost verbatim to the titular creature, and gets a great big ShutUpHannibal for his efforts. An unusual case of the [[AntiHero (anti-)]]hero delivering this line to the villain.
** The Doctor was also pretty insistant Lady Cassandra die, not just due to being a sociopathic mass murderer that takes over people's bodies, but he believes she has so greatly outlived her deserved lifespan.
* On ''The Story Of Tracy Beaker'' (a live action children's show based on the series of books by JacquelineWilson) a character brushed off the main character by telling her to "go and play in the traffic".
* In the first season of ''{{Dexter}}'', one of the title character's targets was a SerialKiller that used this as his modus operandi; he was a psychologist who would encourage his vulnerable, mentally ill patients to kill themselves by taking an overdose.
* Women on {{Maury}} who are looking for their babies' daddies sometimes say this when the possible daddy is particularly belligerent about paternity. Subverted in that the daddies (probably) aren't suicidal.
* ''TheBennyHillShow'': Benny is a minister who happens upon a man (offscreen) who is threatening to jump off a ledge. Benny [[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfpde4_benny-hill-was-a-leeds-fan_fun tries to talk him down]] but the guy will have none of it.
-->Benny: Don't jump! Think of your wife and family.
-->Man: I am. That's why I'm jumping.
-->''snip''
-->Benny: Think of next Saturday, going to Elland Road and seeing our beloved Leeds United play?
-->Man: I hate Leeds United. I'm a Liverpool fan.
-->Benny: Well, flaming well jump then!
* ''{{MASH}}'': Col. Potter deals with a suicidal patient by giving him the RadishCure: Potter puts the mask from the knockout gas on the boy and forces him to continue to breathe in the fumes even when the boy tries to struggle free. Potter then points out the dichotomy, which makes the patient no longer suicidal.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]

* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Ankh-Morpork citizens spying a potential building jumper will start shouting advice on the best buildings to jump from. PlayedForLaughs, (like virtually everything else) in Ankh-Morpork.
* Denethor in ''TheLordOfTheRings'', (book and film) after passing the DespairEventHorizon: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* CharlesDickens uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a JerkAss at the beginning of AChristmasCarol. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
* BackStory of ''{{Dune}}''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in Neverwhere, various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
* In {{Rebecca}}, the CreepyHousekeeper Mrs Danvers very seriously encourages the second Mrs de Winter to commit suicide. That was because she was passionately devoted to the ''first'' Mrs de Winter and felt the successor was taking her place. (Mrs Danvers was, as you may presume, a total psycho.) She is not impolite or emotional when she does it, which makes it all the more scary.

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]

* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer deliberates a little too long in a line to jump off a skyscraper, the guy behind him says "Less chat, more splat, pal" and pushes him off. Subverted both in that Homer wasn't hurt by the fall, and because the guy was planning to do the same thing himself immediately afterwards, so he wasn't being a hypocrite.
* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.
* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''FamilyGuy''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''AmericanDad'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* One episode of South Park has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.

[[AC:NewMedia]]

* FiveSecondFilms has the inventor of time travel [[DidNotEatTheMousse and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.
** Also from FiveSecondFilms, [[http://5secondfilms.com/watch/ask_a_lobster Ask a Lobster]]:
-->"Hey lobster. How do I make money off the internet?"
-->"Oh, oh. Kill yourself."
* In ''YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[HeroicSociopath Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
-->'''Yugi''': Hey, why don't you threaten to kill yourself again? Only this time, actually do it!

[[AC:{{Music}}]]

* The BloodhoundGang song "Lift Your Head Up High (And Blow Your Brains Out)"
* The song "Backmask Warning!" by MindlessSelfIndulgence has this as it's central theme, with the chorus encouraging the listener to go kill themselves, with the verses featuring all kinds of horrific imagery that presumably would also encourage suicide:
-->''Hate and devour the young and the weaker ones, and dont forget the guns''
-->''You're gonna need em to go kill yourself''
-->''All the people you love in a river of blood''
-->''And dont forget the guns''
-->''You're gonna need em to DESTROY''

[[AC:{{Theatre}}]]

* [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] and [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in ''RichardIII''
-->'''Lady Anne:''' Arise, dissembler; thought I wish thy death, I will not be the executioner
-->'''Gloucester:''' Then bid me kill myself, and I will do it.
-->'''Lady Anne:''' I have already
-->'''Gloucester:''' Tush, that was in thy rage; speak it again, and, even with the word, that hand, which, for thy love, did kill thy love, shall, for thy love, kill a far truer love; to both their deaths thou shalt be accessary.

[[AC:StandUpComedy]]

* Played for dark humour by BillHicks when he encourages any [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo marketing professionals]] in the audience to kill themselves.

[[AC:RealLife]]

* [[MemeticMutation "Become An Hero"]] is a very common insult on some parts the internet.
* The insult "Obviously the only rational solution to your problem is suicide."
* The term "bullycide" was invented for instances of this [[GoneHorriblyRight working.]]
* The [[http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/01/disagree_with_s.html Suicide Rock]] thought experiment.

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