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* SuicidalSadisticChoice: A version of SadisticChoice, where they must kill themselves in order to save someone else or avoid a [[AFateWorseThanDeath worse punishment]].

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''Literature/TheAndromedaStrain'': If the titular strain itself does not kill the victim via coagulation, it can also migrate towards the brain, causing the victim to commit the most bizarre suicides (examples include one boy swallowing glue or another person willingly drowning himself in the sink).

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* ''Literature/TheAndromedaStrain'': If the titular strain itself does not kill the victim via coagulation, it can also migrate towards the brain, causing the victim to commit the most bizarre suicides (examples include one boy swallowing glue or another person willingly drowning himself in the sink).
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This is an innversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them -- basically Suicide by Murder. See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves. May be performed by PeoplePuppets.

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This is an innversion inversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them -- basically Suicide by Murder. See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves. May be performed by PeoplePuppets.



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Suicide is a big deal, and killing oneself is [[SuicideIsShameful not a path most people choose lightly]]. However, ''these'' people here didn't really choose to do so by their own free will. Someone (or something) indirectly killed them by coercing them into killing themselves. Methods of forcing one to kill oneself can range from making their lives a [[DrivenToSuicide living hell]] to actual [[PsychicAssistedSuicide mind control]].

Death here should be (one of) the intended outcomes. For cases where the victim kills themselves to defy their attacker, see DyingAsYourself, IDieFree, and BetterToDieThanBeKilled. Not to be confused with MutualKill, TakingYouWithMe, MurderSuicide, or SuicideAttack, which all involve (near-)simultaneously killing both oneself and others on purpose. Not really related to SuicideNotMurder (a suicide disguised as a murder) or NeverSuicide (a murder disguised as a suicide).

This is an innversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them -- basically Suicide by Murder. See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves. May be performed by PeoplePuppets.
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* DrivenToSuicide: When they willingly kill themselves because of another's actions, usually without knowing they were being manipulated.
* OrderedToDie: When they're ''commanded'' to kill themselves, as punishment or to demonstrate their loyalty.
** {{Seppuku}}: A form of suicide/execution where a {{samurai}} must gut themselves with their blade to punish their own dishonor.
** WalkThePlank: Form of execution where the condemned is forced to perform the act themselves.
* PsychicAssistedSuicide: If they're being [[MindControl mind-controlled]], [[DemonicPossession possessed]], compelled by [[CompellingVoice an irresistible command]], tricked [[MasterOfIllusion by illusions]], or under the influence of a magic spell.
* SuicidalSadisticChoice: A version of SadisticChoice, where they must kill themselves in order to save someone else or avoid a [[AFateWorseThanDeath worse punishment]].
* SuicideDare: When another person or people, often bullying peers, dare them to do it.
* TrickedToDeath: Tricking someone into doing something that will kill them.
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Suicide is a big deal, and killing themselves is [[SuicideIsShameful not a path most people choose lightly]]. The people here, however, didn't choose it at all. Someone (or something) killed them by making them kill themselves.

Methods of forcing one to kill oneself can range from making their lives a [[DrivenToSuicide living hell]] to actual [[PsychicAssistedSuicide mind control]].

Related to NeverSuicide, even though here it actually is.

Death here should be the (or one of the) intended outcomes. For cases where the victim kills themselves to defy their attacker, see DyingAsYourself, IDieFree, and BetterToDieThanBeKilled.

The only examples that should be listed here are those that don't fit into one of the subtropes.

'''Subtropes and related tropes:'''
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* DrivenToSuicide: When they willingly kill themselves because of another's actions, usually without knowing they were manipulated.
* OrderedToDie: When they're ''ordered'' to kill themselves, as punishment or to demonstrate their loyalty.
* PsychicAssistedSuicide: If they're [[MindControl mind-controlled]], compelled by [[CompellingVoice an irresistible order]], tricked [[MasterOfIllusion by illusions]], under the influence of magic, or [[DemonicPossession possessed]].
* SuicidalSadisticChoice: A version of SadisticChoice where they must kill themselves to save someone or avoid a [[AFateWorseThanDeath worse punishment]].
* {{Seppuku}}: Version of execution where the condemned performs the act themselves.
* SuicideDare: When another person or people, often bullying peers, dare them to do it.
* TrickedToDeath: Tricking someone into doing something that will kill them.
* WalkThePlank: Form of execution where the condemned performs the act themselves.

See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. Inversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them -- basically Suicide by Murder. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves. May be performed by PeoplePuppets.

Not to be confused with MutualKill and TakingYouWithMe, which are both killing and being killed. Not really related to SuicideNotMurder (a suicide disguised as a murder).

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* In ''Film/TheOtherGuys'' after Terry and Alan [[spoiler: hand over all the evidence against Ershon to his lawyer]], the lawyer is forced to drink a bunch of gin at gunpoint [[spoiler: by Wesley]], and then pushed onto a ledge for [[HeKnowsTooMuch seeing something he wasn't meant to see]]. When arresting Ershon, they put him on the charge for his murder [[spoiler: when they believe he was involved]].

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* In ''Film/TheOtherGuys'' after Terry and Alan Allen [[spoiler: hand over all the evidence against Ershon to his lawyer]], the lawyer is forced to drink a bunch of gin at gunpoint [[spoiler: by Wesley]], and then pushed onto a ledge for [[HeKnowsTooMuch seeing something he wasn't meant to see]]. When arresting Ershon, they put him on the charge for his murder [[spoiler: when they believe he was involved]].

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* This is how [[GoldDigger Brigit Stark]] kills her husband in ''Fanfic/MyNameIsCinder''. She grew tired of waiting for him to kill himself because of his depression, so she simply told him [[BitchInSheepsClothing the truth about her]], causing him to hang himself from despair.
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* In ''Film/TheOtherGuys'' after Terry and Alan [[spoiler: hand over all the evidence against Ershon to his lawyer]], the lawyer is forced to drink a bunch of gin at gunpoint [[spoiler: by Wesley]], and then pushed onto a ledge for [[HeKnowsTooMuch seeing something he wasn't meant to see]]. When arresting Ershon, they put him on the charge for his murder [[spoiler: when they believe he was involved]].
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* PsychicAssistedSuicide - If they're [[MindControl mind-controlled]], compelled by [[CompellingVoice an irresistible order]], tricked [[MasterOfIllusion by illusions]], under the influence of magic, or [[DemonicPossession possessed]].

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* DrivenToSuicide - When they willingly kill themselves because of another's actions, usually without knowing they were manipulated.
* OrderedToDie - When they're ''ordered'' to kill themselves, as punishment or to demonstrate their loyalty.
** {{Seppuku}} and WalkThePlank - Versions of execution where the condemned performs the act themselves.

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* DrivenToSuicide - DrivenToSuicide: When they willingly kill themselves because of another's actions, usually without knowing they were manipulated.
* OrderedToDie - OrderedToDie: When they're ''ordered'' to kill themselves, as punishment or to demonstrate their loyalty.
** {{Seppuku}} and WalkThePlank - Versions of execution where the condemned performs the act themselves.
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* SuicidalSadisticChoice - A version of SadisticChoice where they must kill themselves to save someone or avoid a [[AFateWorseThanDeath worse punishment]].
* SuicideDare - When another person or people, often bullying peers, dare them to do it.
* TrickedToDeath - Tricking someone into doing something that will kill them.

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* SuicidalSadisticChoice - SuicidalSadisticChoice: A version of SadisticChoice where they must kill themselves to save someone or avoid a [[AFateWorseThanDeath worse punishment]].
* SuicideDare - When another person or people, often bullying peers, dare them to do it.
* TrickedToDeath - Tricking someone into doing something that will kill them.
{{Seppuku}}: Version of execution where the condemned performs the act themselves.
* SuicideDare: When another person or people, often bullying peers, dare them to do it.
* TrickedToDeath: Tricking someone into doing something that will kill them.
* WalkThePlank: Form of execution where the condemned performs the act themselves.
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Related to NeverSuicide, even though it actually is.

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''Literature/TheAndromedaStrain'': If the titular strain itself does not kill the victim via coagulation, it can also migrate towards the brain, causing the victim to commit the most bizarre suicides (examples include one boy swallowing glue or another person willingly drowning himself in the sink).
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* There have been a few interesting court cases on the subject of encouraging people to take drugs with suicide as a potential side effect. While one isn't too suspect, sometimes people have have pressured others into taking dozens.
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* One killer in the first season of ''Series/{{Psych}}'' tapped into a depression help line and forced callers to commit suicide at gunpoint.

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* One killer in the first season of ''Series/{{Psych}}'' tapped into a depression help line helpline and forced callers to commit suicide at gunpoint.



* Cults that commit mass suicide might fall under this. The mass suicide of Jim Jones' People's Temple congregation in Guyana would be a RealLife example -- aside from the manipulations of a very charismatic cult leader (and his warnings -- possibly with some truth, as a visiting U.S. Congressman was recently killed by Jones' men there -- that their "enemies" were about to invade the commune), there were some members who did try to sneak away rather than drink the poisoned Kool-Aid (or rather, [[MemeticMutation "Flavor-Aid"]]), but many of these were caught and killed by Jones' goons.

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* Cults that commit mass suicide might fall under this. The mass suicide of Jim Jones' People's Temple congregation in Guyana would be a RealLife example -- aside from the manipulations of a very charismatic cult leader (and his warnings -- possibly with some truth, as a visiting U.S. Congressman Leo Ryan was recently killed by Jones' men there -- that their "enemies" were about to invade the commune), there were some members who did try to sneak away rather than drink the poisoned Kool-Aid (or rather, [[MemeticMutation "Flavor-Aid"]]), but many of these were caught and killed by Jones' goons.
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See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. Inversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them -- basically Suicide by Murder. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves.

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See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. Inversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them -- basically Suicide by Murder. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves.
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* In ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'', Oyashiro-sama's curse (or whatever it really is) causes many characters to kill themselves throughout the various story arcs, some more than once. Methods include clawing out your own throat.



* In ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'', Oyashiro-sama's curse (or whatever it really is) causes many characters to kill themselves throughout the various story arcs, some more than once. Methods include clawing out your own throat.



* Several goons in ''ComicBook/TinTin'' would try to make Tintin jump off a cliff by holding him at gunpoint to MakeItLookLikeAnAccident. He always managed to get out of it somehow.



* Several goons in ''ComicBook/TinTin'' would try to make Tintin jump off a cliff by holding him at gunpoint to MakeItLookLikeAnAccident. He always managed to get out of it somehow.
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* In ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'', Jensen finds an augmented hacker trying to break in and steal Sarif Industries' latest top-secret military project. When Jensen tries to confront him, the man pulls a gun and puts it to his own head. His terrified expression, though, makes it clear that his body is being controlled remotely by the real hacker; all he can do is whisper "Help me!" to Jensen before he's forced to pull the trigger and end his own life.
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* One killer in the first season of ''Series/{{Psych}}'' tapped into a depression help line and forced callers to commit suicide at gunpoint.
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* In ''ComicBooks/UltimateMarvel'', the EldritchAbomination [[{{ComicBooks/Galactus}} Gah Lak Tus]] uses a similar tactic to thin out the populations of the worlds it attacks before it arrives, and sends silver, angel-winged emissaries to mollify the populace into cults that will either commit mass-suicide or embrace their coming destruction when Gah Lak Tus finally arrives.

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See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. Inversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them - basically Suicide By Murder. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves.

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See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. Inversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them - -- basically Suicide By by Murder. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves.



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* OrderedToDie - When they're ''ordered'' to kill themselves, as punishment or to demonstrate their loyalty.
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* ''Anime/CodeGeassAkitoTheExiled'' has this as Shin's Geass power; he can use his Geass to implant the desire to die in people. [[spoiler: The catch is that he has to love them to some extent; as this power is born from his belief that living is hell and you can only find peace in death.]]
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* ''Anime/CodeGeassAkitoTheExiled'' has this as Shin's Geass power; he can use his Geass to implant the desire to die in people. [[spoiler: The catch is that he has to love them to some extent; as this power is born from his belief that living is hell and you can only find peace in death.]]
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* Several goons in ''ComicBook/TinTin'' would try to make Tintin jump off a cliff by holding him at gunpoint to MakeItLookLikeAnAccident. He always managed to get out of it somehow.
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Suicide is a big deal, and killing themselves is [[SuicideIsShameful not a path most people choose lightly]]. The people here, however, didn't choose it at all. Someone (or something) killed them by making them kill themselves.

Methods of forcing one to kill oneself can range from making their lives a [[DrivenToSuicide living hell]] to actual [[PsychicAssistedSuicide mind control]].

Related to NeverSuicide, even though it actually is.

Death here should be the (or one of the) intended outcomes. For cases where the victim kills themselves to defy their attacker, see DyingAsYourself, IDieFree, and BetterToDieThanBeKilled.

The only examples that should be listed here are those that don't fit into one of the subtropes.

Supertrope to:
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* DrivenToSuicide - When they willingly kill themselves because of another's actions, usually without knowing they were manipulated.
* PsychicAssistedSuicide - If they're [[MindControl mind-controlled]], compelled by [[CompellingVoice an irresistible order]], tricked [[MasterOfIllusion by illusions]], under the influence of magic, or [[DemonicPossession possessed]].
* SuicidalSadisticChoice - A version of SadisticChoice where they must kill themselves to save someone or avoid a [[AFateWorseThanDeath worse punishment]].
* TrickedToDeath - Tricking someone into doing something that will kill them.
* OrderedToDie - When they're ''ordered'' to kill themselves, as punishment or to demonstrate their loyalty.
** {{Seppuku}} and WalkThePlank - Versions of execution where the condemned performs the act themselves.

See also LeaveBehindAPistol, when they're allowed to kill themselves to escape punishment or retain their dignity. Inversion of SuicideByAssassin and SuicideByCop, where the victim wants to die but [[ICannotSelfTerminate needs someone else]] to kill them for them - basically Suicide By Murder. StopHittingYourself, taken to the logical extreme, would be a very literal version of ''making'' someone kill themselves.

Not to be confused with MutualKill and TakingYouWithMe, which are both killing and being killed. Not really related to SuicideNotMurder (a suicide disguised as a murder).

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* In the ''Anime/ReadOrDie OVA'', one character attempts to broadcast a "Death Symphony" that will cause mass suicide.
* In ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'', Oyashiro-sama's curse (or whatever it really is) causes many characters to kill themselves throughout the various story arcs, some more than once. Methods include clawing out your own throat.
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* In ''ComicBooks/UltimateMarvel'', the EldritchAbomination [[{{ComicBooks/Galactus}} Gah Lak Tus]] uses a similar tactic to thin out the populations of the worlds it attacks before it arrives, and sends silver, angel-winged emissaries to mollify the populace into cults that will either commit mass-suicide or embrace their coming destruction when Gah Lak Tus finally arrives.
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* In M. Night Shyamalan's ''Film/TheHappening'', people are committing suicide in vast numbers under mysterious circumstances. The audience never gets to know the actual cause of the mass suicides, but speculation about it is sprinkled throughout the film (radiation fallout, a plague, etc.) and some have even spread their own WildMassGuessing entries.
* In ''Film/{{Shooter}}'' the antagonists employ a device that, when strapped to a victims arm, uses a series of pulleys to force the victim to put a gun against their head and pull the trigger, literally physically forcing them to kill themselves (see it [[https://youtu.be/huOZPQ6Hl2c?t=56 here]]).
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* In the ''Franchise/DeadSpace'' franchise, the presence of the Markers (or the [[spoiler:Brethren Moons themselves]]) tends to brainwash any organic beings into a cult which eventually commits mass-suicide, has their dead flesh converted into Necromorphs, and then proceeds to kill and infect others.
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* In the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' universe, various forms of MindControl may force this on a person. Most noticeably, in the first game, you run into what's left of a machine cult that impaled themselves on spikes and converted them into mindless zombie-like bio-mechanical Husks that did the machines' bidding.
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* Cults that commit mass suicide might fall under this. The mass suicide of Jim Jones' People's Temple congregation in Guyana would be a RealLife example -- aside from the manipulations of a very charismatic cult leader (and his warnings -- possibly with some truth, as a visiting U.S. Congressman was recently killed by Jones' men there -- that their "enemies" were about to invade the commune), there were some members who did try to sneak away rather than drink the poisoned Kool-Aid (or rather, [[MemeticMutation "Flavor-Aid"]]), but many of these were caught and killed by Jones' goons.
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