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This is not true; while some elves with definite gender have appeared in the comic, it's much too few to make firm statements about "most".


* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is a good example; even in areas inspired by societies that never recruited female soldiers (like Azure City), there are plenty of female warrior characters. For elves, gender is ''[[AmbiguousGender literally]]'' no object[[note]]it eventually turned out that most elves actually do have gender, but main character Vaarsuvius and their mate just happen to be nonbinary[[/note]]. While in the early days of the comic the default for a character was male, the author has since improved on this and there are equal numbers of female and male characters in the comic.

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is a good example; even in areas inspired by societies that never recruited female soldiers (like Azure City), there are plenty of female warrior characters. For elves, gender is ''[[AmbiguousGender literally]]'' no object[[note]]it eventually turned out that most elves actually do have gender, but main character Vaarsuvius and their mate just happen to be nonbinary[[/note]].object. While in the early days of the comic the default for a character was male, the author has since improved on this and there are equal numbers of female and male characters in the comic.

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* Several European monarchies (e.g., Sweden and Belgium) now allow the firstborn to inherit regardless of gender, and others are considering the change.
** UsefulNotes/{{Japan}} seriously considered the change when then-Crown Prince (now Emperor as of 2019) Naruhito's daughter Aiko appeared likely to be his only child. Then his younger brother Fumihito fathered a son, Hisahito, and the discussion ended.
** England made a first tentative step toward this when it came to their monarchy back with Queen Mary I (daughter of Henry VIII and older sister of Elizabeth I). It should be noted, however, that Mary only became Queen because her younger brother Edward (who had already reigned as King Edward VI) died with no issue and she was next in line for the throne. However, for the next 500 years (or so) England and its successor state, Great Britain, practiced male-preference primogeniture: i.e. a woman would inherit only if she had no brothers. That rule changed in March 2015, when the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth_Agreement Perth Agreement]] came into effect, changing the law to absolute primogeniture (eldest child inherits regardless of gender) in all the Commonwealth Realms, the 17 countries that retain the British monarch as their own head of state (that is, as their own monarch). Ironically, at the time, it didn't much matter, as the Queen's eldest child was male, his eldest child was male, and ''his'' eldest child was male. However, Princess Charlotte was born less than two months later and was duly placed just below her older brother in the line of succession.
** The Dutch monarchs have been predominately female for the past century (the current is male, although he has had 3 daughters so far, so the one after him will be female) with straight primogeniture. The only distinction can be found in the monarch's spouse: a King's wife gets the title of Queen, but a Queen's husband is not called King, but Prince-companion. Possibly, people were worried that King sounded more important than Queen, and didn't want others to think that the guy that married into the royal family was the big shot.
*** Also directly related to why the Luxembourgian monarchy is not following this trope. When a woman inherited the Dutch throne, they basically dug up an old law that says only men can inherit theirs and thus won their independence. Two generations later, however, they abolished Salic law anyway because the man who became Grand Duke following the accession of Queen Wilhelmina had been a ''17th'' cousin of her father, and when that man's son had no surviving sons, he changed the law so his daughter inherited rather than subject anyone to having to dig up another distant relative.
*** This is very similar to the role of the "Prince Consort" of the Commonwealth realms (Albert for Victoria, and Philip for Queen Elizabeth), which operates on the same principle: he married into royalty and has all the same perks, but he still must walk "one step behind" his Queen. The idea is basically the spear counterpart to the "Queen Consort" (a Queen who married into the family rather than a "Queen Regnant", which is a ruling Queen).
*** Only Albert actually held the formal title Prince Consort in the UK (and is likely to always have this distinction); Philip is formally just HRH Prince Philip.
** Modern-day monarchies tend to follow one of three patterns: gender is ignored (this trope, in other words), females can inherit, but males take preference (exactly how much preference is given varies, so this pattern incorporates a lot of variation), and females can't inherit.
** [[UsefulNotes/TsaristRussia The Russian monarchy]] traditionally had little objection toward women on the throne, starting [[UsefulNotes/KievanRus way back with]] [[TheHighQueen princess Olga]], though men usually held priority. Another early example was princess Sophia, the elder sister of Peter I and Ivan V, though she was technically a Regent to the still-minor co-Tsars, and not a ruling monarch. But it really shone during the XVIII century, commonly dubbed "Бабье царство" or "Women Reign": the succession law left over by UsefulNotes/PeterTheGreat was very vague, as if intentionally inviting the adventurous princess to take a shot at the throne, and he himself died of illness rather suddenly without designating a successor. This led to his widow Catherine I succeeding him, and a whole bunch of women after that-his niece Anna Ioannovna, his daughter Elisabeth, and, finally, his granddaughter-in-law UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat. Most of these women were weak rulers, though, [[UnwittingPawn being easily manipulated]], except [[TheHighQueen the last one]]. UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat's son Paul I, though, was sick of the palace atmosphere, and being a [[ForeignCultureFetish great admirer of all things Prussian]] instituted a very strict male primogeniture in the Prussian fashion, which survived all the way to the end[[note]]and caused a ''whole'' lot of tragedy for the last of the dynasty; had Nicholas II's eldest child, his daughter Olga Nikolaevna, been permitted to succeed him, much if not all of the tragedy that befell the family would likely have been mitigated[[/note]].
* Most modern military forces around the world allow women to serve in ''most'' roles. Generally, however, women are restricted from serving in front-line infantry, armored units, and special forces (though these bans have gradually eroded over time in most Western countries, and many don't have any restrictions at all). Most will claim it's out of a sense of fairness, and it may well be, but in a lot of cases, it's initially motivated by a shortage of recruits.
** The United States Armed Forces has no bans against women in any military role as of December 2015, following a transitory process that began in January 2013 when the Combat Exclusion Policy was lifted by then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, and already has female combat engineers, artillery operators, infantrywomen, and even special forces operatives in the Army Rangers. Of course, this was just when the policy was "officially" lifted. As many in favor of gender integration have pointed out, the blurred lines of modern warfare have made that ''every'' member of the armed forces is essentially a combat troop. Also, the US Navy has a long history of powerful female military personnel. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_J._Howard Admiral Michelle J. Howard]] is the former Vice Chief of Naval Operations[[note]]which, as the name implies, is the second highest position in the ''entire Navy''[[/note]], and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_W._Tyson Vice Admiral Nora W. Tyson]] was the commander of the entire naval Third Fleet.
** UsefulNotes/{{Canada}}'s military is fully integrated and has been since 2001 when the last holdout (submarine service, for the entirely practical reason they didn't have submarines equipped for female crew members until then) had its prohibition against women serving aboard lifted.
** The Soviet Union made much to do about the number of women in their Air Force. The first two women in space and the only two female flying aces were Soviets. They also had tankers, snipers, and a good many partisans.
*** This was only during the Great Patriotic War (a.k.a. The Eastern Front of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII [[SmallReferencePools for those unfamiliar with the Russian term]]), due to severe personnel shortages. After the war, as in Western countries, there was strong pressure for women to retire from the "dangerous" frontline roles.
*** In the modern Russian military women are allowed to serve in a non-combat (but not [[TheMedic non-frontline]]) roles only, though there is some discussion of allowing them the greater participation, again mainly due to the [[{{Pun}} manpower]] shortages.
** UsefulNotes/{{Israel}} has one of the more gender-balanced armies in the world. It's also one of the few where women are subject to {{conscription}} like the men, though they are more likely than men to get an exemption and have to serve a minimum of two years instead of the men's three. They are placed in combat units only if they volunteer to do so, though it should be noted that most combat units are male-exclusive due to potential problems with a unit's social dynamic (for example, tests have shown that male combatants tend to lose their better judgment when a female comrade is injured much more readily then if a male comrade is wounded). Female pilots are still allowed and are relatively common.
** In UsefulNotes/{{Eritrea}}, everyone has been subject to the draft since 1995, with [[http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/03/national-service-eritrea the only exception being pregnant women.]]
* There's a theory that ancient [[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/05/science/05nean.html?_r=1 Neanderthal society might have been like this]], with women and children joining men out in the hunt.
* In the 2012 UsefulNotes/ParalympicGames the wheelchair rugby tournament, often proudly self-identified as one of the most brutal contact sports to be legally played, included two mixed-gender teams.
* Archaeological research has uncovered evidence that women fought in the [[OlderThanDirt ancient Persian military]]. The Scythians, a neighboring people, also apparently had women warriors who fought alongside men with the same armor, weapons, soldiers' tattoos, and burial rites. They may have been the inspiration for the mythical Amazons.
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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'': Despite carrying the label of "training for girls" by the {{Fanon}}, in the anime, the gender ratio of Coordinators is equal to that of Trainers.

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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'': ''Anime/PokemonTheSeries'': Despite carrying the label of "training for girls" by the {{Fanon}}, in the anime, the gender ratio of Coordinators is equal to that of Trainers.
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For a related, video game-specific trope, see PurelyAestheticGender. Not to be confused with [[AnythingThatMoves a person for whom gender is no object]].

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For a related, video game-specific trope, see PurelyAestheticGender. Not to be confused with [[AnythingThatMoves [[ExtremeOmnisexual a person for whom gender is no object]].
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* ''Fanfic/IWokeUpAsADungeonNowWhat'': It's specifically noted that mana enhancement makes base physical strength functionally irrelevant, and all major factions in this setting seem to use mixed-gender armies.
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* ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana'' has about the same number of men as women among the ''Flame Hazes''.

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* ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana'' ''Literature/ShakuganNoShana'' has about the same number of men as women among the ''Flame Hazes''.
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* Odd variation in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy204'': not only is the Nova Corps (an armed force) gender-neutral, ''so is its prison'', the Kyln. ComicBook/{{Gamora}} and at least one other female prisoner are mixed in with the male prison population.

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* Odd variation in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy204'': ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy2014'': not only is the Nova Corps (an armed force) gender-neutral, ''so is its prison'', the Kyln. ComicBook/{{Gamora}} and at least one other female prisoner are mixed in with the male prison population.

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** The Empire doesn't really discriminate against women (who can become adventurers with no issue), likely due to the world being so horrible banning women from active duty is not even borderline suicidal.

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** The Empire doesn't really openly discriminate against women (who can become adventurers with no issue), likely due out of simple [[CrapsackWorld pragmatism]]. However, it's still a male-dominated society on average. The Colleges of Magic are also predominantly male, though the Bright College (which trains fire wizards) has a prophecy of a great female hero who will one day rise from their ranks, and so encourages women to sign up.
** Kislev has no issue with women in the military -- for exactly the reason suggested above, as Kislev is right on the doorstep of [[{{Mordor}} the Chaos Wastes]] -- or holding positions of power, as their government has a tradition of warrior-queens dating back
to the world being FounderOfTheKingdom. [[ZigZaggedTrope However]], they do restrict spellcasters, as all [[AnIcePerson ice witches]] are female. The Ice Court has a legend that a man who masters their arts will one day destroy the source of all ice magic, so horrible banning it is illegal for men to practice magic in Kislev. Families with the means to do so instead send their magic-capable sons to the Empire.
** [[PlayedForLaughs Playfully]] [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] with the Cult of Shallya, the goddess of mercy and healing, whose members are traditionally women. While there's no actual ''rule'' preventing men from joining, the church is well aware of the implications of [[SexyPriest attractive young men]] entering a clergy where [[NaughtyNuns attractive young
women from active duty is not even borderline suicidal.outnumber them]], and so encourages male initiates to become nomadic lay-priests until they're old and grey. Tales where this unspoken rule isn't followed are said to be a popular subject of forbidden works across the Empire.
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* Odd variation in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'': not only is the Nova Corps (an armed force) gender-neutral, ''so is its prison'', the Kyln. ComicBook/{{Gamora}} and at least one other female prisoner are mixed in with the male prison population.
* By the time of the Franchise/StarWars [[Film/TheForceAwakens Sequel]] [[Film/TheLastJedi Trilogy]], both the First Order and the Resistance appear to have fully integrated, with women serving in both command positions (General Leia, Admiral Holdo, and Captain Phasma) and in combat roles (Jessika Pava, Paige Tico, and several female pilots for the Resistance, Phasma again, multiple bridge crew members, and at least one female stormtrooper for the First Order). ''Film/RogueOne'' retcons this, with female pilots at the Battle of Scarif to indicate that this has been the case from the beginning of the Rebellion.

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* Odd variation in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'': ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy204'': not only is the Nova Corps (an armed force) gender-neutral, ''so is its prison'', the Kyln. ComicBook/{{Gamora}} and at least one other female prisoner are mixed in with the male prison population.
* By the time of the Franchise/StarWars ''Franchise/StarWars'' [[Film/TheForceAwakens Sequel]] [[Film/TheLastJedi Trilogy]], both the First Order and the Resistance appear to have fully integrated, with women serving in both command positions (General Leia, Admiral Holdo, and Captain Phasma) and in combat roles (Jessika Pava, Paige Tico, and several female pilots for the Resistance, Phasma again, multiple bridge crew members, and at least one female stormtrooper for the First Order). ''Film/RogueOne'' retcons this, with female pilots at the Battle of Scarif to indicate that this has been the case from the beginning of the Rebellion.
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** The Imperium is also completely uncaring about who fights for them as long as they can hold a gun, its a commonly mentioned background element that when the Imperium is desperate enough or when they just need a few more warm bodies to pad out the ranks that they will mass conscript [[{{Squick}} children]] to fight for them so not only is gender no object age isn't either.

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** The Imperium is also completely uncaring about who fights for them as long as they can hold a gun, its gun. Its a commonly mentioned background element that when the Imperium is desperate enough or when they just need a few more warm bodies to pad out the ranks that they will mass conscript [[{{Squick}} children]] to fight for them so them. So not only is gender no object object, age isn't either.
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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is a good example; even in areas inspired by societies that never recruited female soldiers (like Azure City), there are plenty of female warrior characters. For elves, gender is ''[[AmbiguousGender literally]]'' no object[[note]]it eventually turned out that most elves actually do have gender, but main character Vaarsuvius and their mate just happen to be nonbinary[[/note]]. While in the early days of the comic the default for a character was male, and Haley something of TheChick, the author has since improved on this and there are equal numbers of female and male characters in the comic.

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is a good example; even in areas inspired by societies that never recruited female soldiers (like Azure City), there are plenty of female warrior characters. For elves, gender is ''[[AmbiguousGender literally]]'' no object[[note]]it eventually turned out that most elves actually do have gender, but main character Vaarsuvius and their mate just happen to be nonbinary[[/note]]. While in the early days of the comic the default for a character was male, and Haley something of TheChick, the author has since improved on this and there are equal numbers of female and male characters in the comic.



%%* Gynostar of ''Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfGynostar'' is at one point hired as TheChick for an all-male team of superheroes who want to make it look like they don't have a sexism problem. [[spoiler: They do.]]

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%%* Gynostar of ''Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfGynostar'' is at one point hired as TheChick the sole girl for an all-male team of superheroes who want to make it look like they don't have a sexism problem. [[spoiler: They do.]]
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* ''Fanfic/TheNightUnfurls'': The military of Eostia make no gender distinctions whatsoever. In addition, it is not uncommon to see female generals and male healers on the battlefield. There are two [[AvertedTrope exceptions]] to this trope: the Seven Shields (female-exclusive), and the Black Dogs (male-exclusive).

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* ''Fanfic/TheNightUnfurls'': The military of Eostia make no gender distinctions whatsoever. In addition, it is not uncommon to Nobody raises an eyebrow when they see male [[TheMedic healers]], female generals [[ArmyScout scouts]], and male healers on the battlefield. There are two [[AvertedTrope exceptions]] to this trope: the Seven Shields (female-exclusive), and the Black Dogs (male-exclusive).women in command.
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* ''Series/TheLordOfTheRingsTheRingsOfPower'': The creators of the show aimed at this trope by intentionally having more lead women than exist in the material source.
** Numenor's armed forces are unisex. Both women and men and shown wearing armors and fighting side by side.
** Despite being next to impossible to distinguish female from male among the Orcs, Adar imply that females exists among their ranks too when he refers to the Orcs as "brothers and sisters" in his RousingSpeech about turning the Southlands int their [[{{Mordor}} homeland]].
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* ''Series/TheLordOfTheRingsTheRingsOfPower'': The creators of the show aimed at this trope by intentionally having more lead women than exist in the material source.
** Numenor's armed forces are unisex. Both women and men and shown wearing armors and fighting side by side.
** Despite being next to impossible to distinguish female from male among the Orcs, Adar imply that females exists among their ranks too when he refers to the Orcs as "brothers and sisters" in his RousingSpeech about turning the Southlands int their [[{{Mordor}} homeland]].

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