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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' uses a typical pattern for bastards that managed to gain a coat of arms. The father's coat of arms with the colors reversed.
** The bend sinister was also known, but wasn't always used; the reversed color pattern was used nearly always. Not all bastards, even acknowledged bastards, were armigerous at all: Jon Snow, for example, was only entitled to a black shield with no sigil as a member of the Night's Watch. There's no evidence of Ramsay Snow being armigerous before he was legitimized. Walder Rivers, a Frey bastard, however, had both the bend sinister and the reversed colors.
** Daemon Blackfyre, founder of the Blackfyre dynasty of pretenders to the Iron Throne, was a bastard son of King Aegon IV and took a black three-headed dragon on red (the reversed Targaryen sigil, a red three-headed dragon on black) as his family's sigil.
** There was another marker of bastardy in the series: a special surname based on the region of birth. The Northmen used "Snow", the Riverlanders used "Rivers", the Crownlanders used "Waters", etc.

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' uses a typical pattern for bastards noble-born, acknowledged bastard sons that managed manag to gain a coat of arms. The Their father's coat of arms with the colors reversed.
** The bend sinister was also known, but wasn't isn't always used; the reversed color pattern was is used nearly always. Not all bastards, bastard children, even noble-born acknowledged bastards, were armigerous at all: bastard children, are armigerous: Jon Snow, for example, was example -- as a highborn illegitimate son of a lord -- is only entitled to a the black shield with no sigil as a member of the Night's Watch since he joined the Night's Watch. There's no evidence of Ramsay Snow being armigerous before he was legitimized. Walder Rivers, a Frey bastard, bastard son, however, had has both the bend sinister and the reversed colors.
** Daemon Blackfyre, founder of the Blackfyre dynasty of pretenders to the Iron Throne, was is a bastard son of King Aegon IV and took a black three-headed dragon on red (the reversed Targaryen sigil, a red three-headed dragon on black) as his family's sigil.
** There was is another marker of bastardy in the series: series, albeit it can only be used by highborn bastard children -- it is a special surname based on the region of birth. The Northmen used "Snow", the Riverlanders used "Rivers", the Crownlanders used "Waters", etc. Bastard children of smallfolk have no surnames.
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* ''Bar Sinister'', by Mike Grell, is about a genetically altered superhero team. The first issue's cover is based on the Bar Sinister.

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->A [[AStormIsComing thick band of clouds]] ran along the horizon. "A bar sinister," he said to Penny, pointing.
->"What does that mean?" she asked.
->"It means some big bastard is creeping up behind us."

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1. In heraldry, a ''bar'' is actually a horizontal line. The term for a diagonal line is ''bend'' (in French heraldry, ''barre''). A small diagonal line that doesn't reach the edges of the shield is a ''baton''.

2. There is no standard heraldic symbol for illegitimacy. The baton or bend sinister was used in this way in some places and times, but in other places and times it was completely innocent, and some other indicator was used -- or, depending on the cultural norms, no indicator at all. For instance, in Scottish heraldry, the arms of a bastard were marked by a border around the shield, usually a pattern of alternating white and some other colour, while the French rules varied from region to region, and the Germans rarely ever bothered differencing arms at all.

3. In English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it (however, an illegitimate child may apply for a grant of arms -- or, if a minor, the parent may do so for him -- and may request that it be based on the parental arms; but the rest is up to the Heralds' College).

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1. In #In heraldry, a ''bar'' is actually a horizontal line. The term for a diagonal line is ''bend'' (in French heraldry, ''barre''). A small diagonal line that doesn't reach the edges of the shield is a ''baton''.

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English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it (however, an illegitimate child may apply for a grant of arms -- or, if a minor, the parent may do so for him -- and may request that it be based on the parental arms; but the rest is up to the Heralds' College).
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* Averted in ''Literature/VillageTales''. The Royal Stuart quarter in the Duke of Taunton's arms are blazoned in the narrative as being within "a bordure compony of Argent and Azure, the true blue compartments of that bordure bearing each a white and Yorkist rose, a rose Argent barbed and seeded proper: a quarter bare of any bend or baton (unlike that in the first quarter of Rory's Badenoch arms, in which the Stuart Royal Arms in their bordure compony of Gules and Or are further debruised by a baton Argent, marking the celebrated 'double bastardy of Badenoch')...." [Rory is the Marquess of Badenoch, a kinsman of the Duke's.]
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** It doesn't apply to him personally however. The Empire doesn't seem to have any rules regarding bastards and as such he is considered a legal heir to the throne (behind his older half-siblings) despite his parents not being married.

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* ''Literature/PrinceRoger'': When the titular character, a bastard son of the Empress of Earth, ends up stranded on a hostile planet and, for various reasons, finds himself raising a regiment of the local aliens (The ''Basik's'' Own), he includes a bar sinister in their colours.
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** Daemon Blackfyre, founder of the Blackfyre dynasty of pretenders to the Iron Throne, was a bastard son of King Aegon IV and took a black three-headed dragon on red (the reversed Targaryen sigil, a red three-headed dragon on black) as his family's sigil.
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* In the [[AustralianRulesFootball Australian Football League]], Essendon and Richmond have these on their jumpers.

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* In the [[AustralianRulesFootball [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Australian Football League]], Essendon and Richmond have these on their jumpers.
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3. In English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it (however, an illegitimate child may apply for a grant of arms -- or, if a minor, the parent may do so for him -- and may request that it be a based on the parental arms; but the rest is up to the Heralds' College).

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3. In English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it (however, an illegitimate child may apply for a grant of arms -- or, if a minor, the parent may do so for him -- and may request that it be a based on the parental arms; but the rest is up to the Heralds' College).
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* One of the platforms at Euston Station, London, is decorated with the coat of arms of the Earl of Euston. The Earl was the illegitimate son of the king, and the baton sinistre is seen as an important enough part of his coat of arms that when they painted an absract pattern to represent the coat of arms, the baton was the [[http://www.cookylamoo.com/boringlikeadrill/2006/07/euston-bend-sinister.html "main feature"]].

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* One of the platforms at Euston Station, London, is decorated with the coat of arms of the Earl of Euston. The Earl was the illegitimate son of the king, and the baton sinistre is seen as an important enough part of his coat of arms that when they painted an absract abstract pattern to represent the coat of arms, the baton was the [[http://www.cookylamoo.com/boringlikeadrill/2006/07/euston-bend-sinister.html "main feature"]].
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** The bend sinister was also known, but wasn't always used; the reversed color pattern was used nearly always. Not all bastards, even acknowledged bastards, were armigerous at all: Jon Snow, for example, was only entitled to a black shield with no sigil as a member of the Night's Watch. There's no evidence of Ramsay Snow being armigerous before he was legitimized. Walder Rivers, a Frey bastard, however, had both the bend sinister and the reversed colors.
** There was another marker of bastardy in the series: a special surname based on the region of birth. The Northmen used "Snow", the Riverlanders used "Rivers", the Crownlanders used "Waters", etc.
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->A [[AStormIsComing thick band of clouds]] ran along the horizon. "A bar sinister," he said to Penny, pointing.
->"What does that mean?" she asked.
->"It means some big bastard is creeping up behind us."
-->-- '''Literature/ADanceWithDragons'''
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* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' uses a typical pattern for bastards that managed to gain a coat of arms. The father's coat of arms with the colors reversed.
* In RobinHobb's ''Literature/{{Farseer}}'' trilogy, [=FitzChivalry=] is initially given the Farseer arms, of a buck's head, with a red diagonal line to mark his illegitimacy. It's suggested that, while he wouldn't be allowed to wear the royal arms without the line, all he'd have to do was ask and he'd be given his own arms with no such mark, and later this is given to him anyway.
* In RobertAHeinlein's ''TheMoonIsAHarshMistress'', the flag of the rebel Lunar colonists (most of whom are ex-cons or descendants of ex-cons, as Earth uses the Moon as a penal colony) proudly features a blood-red bar sinister.

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* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' uses a typical pattern for bastards that managed to gain a coat of arms. The father's coat of arms with the colors reversed.
* In RobinHobb's Creator/RobinHobb's ''Literature/{{Farseer}}'' trilogy, [=FitzChivalry=] is initially given the Farseer arms, of a buck's head, with a red diagonal line to mark his illegitimacy. It's suggested that, while he wouldn't be allowed to wear the royal arms without the line, all he'd have to do was ask and he'd be given his own arms with no such mark, and later this is given to him anyway.
* In RobertAHeinlein's ''TheMoonIsAHarshMistress'', Creator/RobertAHeinlein's ''Literature/TheMoonIsAHarshMistress'', the flag of the rebel Lunar colonists (most of whom are ex-cons or descendants of ex-cons, as Earth uses the Moon as a penal colony) proudly features a blood-red bar sinister.



* An icon of a shield with a bend sinister is used to represent bastards in ''CrusaderKings''.

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* An icon of a shield with a bend sinister is used to represent bastards in ''CrusaderKings''.
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* In RobertAHeinlein's ''TheMoonIsAHarshMistress'', the flag of the rebel Lunar colonists (most of whom are ex-cons or descendants of ex-cons, as Earth uses the Moon as a penal colony) proudly features a blood-red bar sinister.
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Bestselling historical novelist Creator/WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[VisualPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''[[BlackSheepSquadron Baa Baa Black Sheep]]''.

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Bestselling historical novelist Creator/WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[VisualPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''[[BlackSheepSquadron ''[[Series/BlackSheepSquadron Baa Baa Black Sheep]]''.
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2. There is no standard heraldic symbol for illegitimacy. The baton or bend sinister was used in this way in some places and times, but in other places and times it was completely innocent, and some other indicator was used -- or, depending on the cultural norms, no indicator at all. For instance, in Scottish heraldry, the arms of a bastard were marked by a border around the shield, usually a pattern of alternating white and some other colour, while the French rules varied from region to region, and the Germans rarely ever bothered differencing arms at all.

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2. There is no standard heraldic symbol for illegitimacy. The baton or bend sinister was used in this way in some places and times, but in other places and times it was completely innocent, and some other indicator was used -- or, depending on the cultural norms, no indicator at all. For instance, in Scottish heraldry, the arms of a bastard were marked by a border around the shield, usually a pattern of alternating white and some other colour, while the French rules varied from region to region, and the Germans rarely ever bothered differencing arms at all.
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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[VisualPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''[[BlackSheepSquadron Baa Baa Black Sheep]]''.

Not to be confused with {{Bad Guy Bar}}.

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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott Creator/WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[VisualPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''[[BlackSheepSquadron Baa Baa Black Sheep]]''.

Not to be confused with {{Bad Guy Bar}}.BadGuyBar.



* Dr. Simon Bar Sinister is the main antagonist in the ''{{WesternAnimation/Underdog}}'' cartoon show. The name [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be translated as]] "Simon, the Bastard".

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* Dr. Simon Bar Sinister is the main antagonist in the ''{{WesternAnimation/Underdog}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Underdog}}'' cartoon show. The name [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be translated as]] "Simon, the Bastard".
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* Dr. Simon Bar Sinister is the main antagonist in the ''{{Underdog}}'' cartoon show. The name [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be translated as]] "Simon, the Bastard".

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* Dr. Simon Bar Sinister is the main antagonist in the ''{{Underdog}}'' ''{{WesternAnimation/Underdog}}'' cartoon show. The name [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be translated as]] "Simon, the Bastard".
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* Dr. Simon Bar Sinister is the main antagonist in the ''{{Underdog}}'' cartoon show. The name [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be translated as]] "Simon, the Bastard".
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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[VisualPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''Baa Baa Black Sheep''.

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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[VisualPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''Baa ''[[BlackSheepSquadron Baa Baa Black Sheep''.
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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[StealthPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''Baa Baa Black Sheep''.

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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[StealthPun [[VisualPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''Baa Baa Black Sheep''.
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* In RobinHobb's ''[[RealmOfTheElderlings Farseer Trilogy]]'', [=FitzChivalry=] is initially given the Farseer arms, of a buck's head, with a red diagonal line to mark his illegitimacy. It's suggested that, while he wouldn't be allowed to wear the royal arms without the line, all he'd have to do was ask and he'd be given his own arms with no such mark, and later this is given to him anyway.

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* In RobinHobb's ''[[RealmOfTheElderlings Farseer Trilogy]]'', ''Literature/{{Farseer}}'' trilogy, [=FitzChivalry=] is initially given the Farseer arms, of a buck's head, with a red diagonal line to mark his illegitimacy. It's suggested that, while he wouldn't be allowed to wear the royal arms without the line, all he'd have to do was ask and he'd be given his own arms with no such mark, and later this is given to him anyway.



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2. There is no standard heraldic symbol for illegitimacy. The baton or bend sinister was used in this way in some places and times, but in other places and times it was completely innocent, and some other indicator was used - or, depending on the cultural norms, no indicator at all. For instance, in Scottish heraldry, the arms of a bastard were marked by a border around the shield, usually a pattern of alternating white and some other colour, while the French rules varied from region to region, and the Germans rarely ever bothered differencing arms at all.

3. In English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it. (However, an illegitimate child may apply for a grant of arms--or, if a minor, the parent may do so for him--and may request that it be a based on the parental arms; but the rest is up to the Heralds' College.)

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2. There is no standard heraldic symbol for illegitimacy. The baton or bend sinister was used in this way in some places and times, but in other places and times it was completely innocent, and some other indicator was used - -- or, depending on the cultural norms, no indicator at all. For instance, in Scottish heraldry, the arms of a bastard were marked by a border around the shield, usually a pattern of alternating white and some other colour, while the French rules varied from region to region, and the Germans rarely ever bothered differencing arms at all.

3. In English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it. (However, it (however, an illegitimate child may apply for a grant of arms--or, arms -- or, if a minor, the parent may do so for him--and him -- and may request that it be a based on the parental arms; but the rest is up to the Heralds' College.)
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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[StealthPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards.]] Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep,"]] whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''Baa Baa Black Sheep.''

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Bestselling historical novelist WalterScott is the trope creator: his works stuck popular culture with both the idea of the ''barre sinister'' as a sign of illegitimacy and the misspelling of "barre". Although completely bogus in terms of heraldry, the concept lives on in the unit badges of some military organizations, as a pictorial way of GettingCrapPastTheRadar. A baton sinister is used to [[StealthPun imply that members of that unit are, well, bastards.]] bastards]]. Notably, this use can be seen in the unit patch of the US Marine fighter squadron [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214 VMA-214 "Black Sheep,"]] Sheep"]], whose Second World War exploits formed the basis for a popular TV series, ''Baa Baa Black Sheep.''
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The '''Bar Sinister''' is the single most famous element of Hollywood Heraldry, a diagonal line on a coat of arms that indicates illegitimacy. "Sinister" just means that the line starts at the top left, but the connotations of the word may have something to do with the trope's persistence. (To avoid embarrassment, it's important to remember that "left" in heraldry means [[YourOtherLeft the shield-bearer's left]], which is "right" from the point of view of the person looking at the coat of arms.)

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The '''Bar Sinister''' is the single most famous element of Hollywood Heraldry, a diagonal line on a coat of arms that indicates illegitimacy. "Sinister" just means that the line starts at the top left, but the connotations of the word may have something to do with the trope's persistence. (To persistence (to avoid embarrassment, it's important to remember that "left" in heraldry means [[YourOtherLeft the shield-bearer's left]], which is "right" from the point of view of the person looking at the coat of arms.)
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* ASongOfIceAndFire uses a typical pattern for bastards that managed to gain a coat of arms. The father's coat of arms with the colors reversed.

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* An icon of a shield with a bend sinister is used to represent bastards in ''CrusaderKings''.
* One of the platforms at Euston Station, London, is decorated with the coat of arms of the Earl of Euston. The Earl was the illegitimate son of the king, and the baton sinistre is seen as an important enough part of his coat of arms that when they painted an absract pattern to represent the coat of arms, the baton was the [[http://www.cookylamoo.com/boringlikeadrill/2006/07/euston-bend-sinister.html "main feature"]]

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* An icon of a shield with a bend sinister is used to represent bastards in ''CrusaderKings''.
* One of the platforms at Euston Station, London, is decorated with the coat of arms of the Earl of Euston. The Earl was the illegitimate son of the king, and the baton sinistre is seen as an important enough part of his coat of arms that when they painted an absract pattern to represent the coat of arms, the baton was the [[http://www.cookylamoo.com/boringlikeadrill/2006/07/euston-bend-sinister.html "main feature"]]

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* In the [[AustralianRulesFootball Australian Football League]], Essendon and Richmond have these on their jumpers.
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* One of the platforms at Euston Station, London, is decorated with the coat of arms of the Earl of Euston. The Earl was the illegitimate son of the king, and the baton sinistre is seen as an important enough part of his coat of arms that when they painted an absract pattern to represent the coat of arms, the baton was the [[http://www.cookylamoo.com/boringlikeadrill/2006/07/euston-bend-sinister.html "main feature"]]
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* An icon of a shield with a bend sinister is used to represent bastards in ''CrusaderKings''.
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** Justified in that Westeros is a fantasy setting, and the rules of heraldry don't have to be 100% convergent with those of medieval Europe.
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3. In English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it.

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3. In English heraldry, there were (and are) very strict rules about how a coat of arms was inherited and even stricter and more complicated rules about how they could be used by members of the family of the person to whom the arms were originally granted. In general, though, an illegitimate child would have ''no right'' to bear or inherit the arms of either of their parents at all, no matter how they differenced it. \n (However, an illegitimate child may apply for a grant of arms--or, if a minor, the parent may do so for him--and may request that it be a based on the parental arms; but the rest is up to the Heralds' College.)

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