History Main / AlternateHistoryNaziVictory

* {{Discussed}} in a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbim2kGwhpc two]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYTrjxOPYNY part]] series by youtuber Potential History. In both videos, he lays out the basics that it would be realistically impossible for Nazi Germany to come out of the war as the victor due to now having enough resources, and having too many enemies/fronts to fight on. A quote at the end of part 2 (which was made in response to people's claims about his first video) sums up the issue very well:

** ''Series/CrisisOnEarthX'' reveals the existence of an AlternateUniverse called Earth-X where the Nazis won WWII and establish a New Reich that governs the whole world. It is loosely based on the comics story shown above. In this universe, many of the main universes heroes have {{Evil Doppelganger}}s that are allied with the Nazis, including Oliver Queen/Dark Arrow who is the Fuhrer and Kara Danvers/Overgirl who is one of his generals. The premise of the crossover has the Nazis of Earth-X invading Earth-1 and clashing with the heroes.

* The ''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}'' franchise from ''[[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder The New Order]]'' onwards focuses on an AlternateHistory timeline where the Nazis are victorious in WWII and establish a New World Order. Some other games play around with this and instead explore WWII being dragged out longer than 1945.

** ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysofEurope'' is a ''Hearts of Iron IV'' GameMod set in a world of alternate Cold War between victorious Nazi Germany, UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan and the United States of America. The real PointOfDivergence happens much earlier, though, when a prolonged Russian Civil War and failed economic policies by the eventual victor, Nikolay Bukharin, leaves the Soviet Union unable to properly industrialize and therefore much more vulnerable to the German invasion. The mod is especially notable for in any way downplaying the utter horror a Nazi victory would have been, but mercilessly portrays what a horrible and dark CrapsackWorld such a scenario would lead to. Not even the Nazis are happy with what they have turned the world into. While Nazi Germany managed to crush both the British Empire and the weakened Soviet Union and launch a nuclear strike on Pearl Harbour in 1944, forcing the US to concede defeat, their economy couldn't sustain itself much longer and crashed several years after the war. Even though the dire economic situation was eased somewhat by massive introduction of slave workforce from the occupied territories, Germany by 1962 is a nation on the brink of collapse, with youth protesting across the country, the industry almost entirely dependent on slave labor and a conflict between various factions for power in the Reich, which turns into a full-blown CivilWar after Hitler's death.

* In the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' three-parter "[[Recap/JusticeLeagueS1E24To26TheSavageTime The Savage Time]]", the Justice League inadvertently travel to an alternate present-day Earth where the Nazis rule America (and presumably the rest of the world) due to ComicBook/VandalSavage deposing Hitler (turning him into a HumanPopsicle) during World War II and taking his place as Führer, allowing the Nazis to win the war. Savage [[TimelineAlteringMacGuffin sent his past self a laptop]] with a very detailed historical database as well as plans to build [[StupidJetpackHitler futuristic weapons]] such as the monstrous [[http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/War_Wheel War Wheels]] to secure that victory. The Justice League finds out about his time machine, travels in time to 1944 and tries to stop Savage before it's too late, with the help of some old school World War II-era Creator/DCComics heroes they come across such as ComicBook/{{Blackhawk}} and his squadron, ComicBook/SgtRock and his Easy Company and ComicBook/SteveTrevor.

** ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysofEurope'' is a ''Hearts of Iron IV'' GameMod set in a world of alternate Cold War between victorious Nazi Germany, UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan and the United States of America. The real PointOfDivergence happens much earlier, though, when a prolonged Russian Civil War and failed economic policies by the eventual victor, Nikolay Bukharin, leaves the Soviet Union unable to properly industrialize and therefore much more vulnerable to the German invasion. The mod is especially notable for not even remotely downplaying the utter horror a Nazi victory would have been, but mercilessly portrays what a horrible CrapshackWorld such a scenario would lead to. While Nazi Germany managed to crush both the British Empire and the weakened Soviet Union and launch a nuclear strike on Pearl Harbour in 1944, forcing the US to concede defeat, their economy couldn't sustain itself much longer and crashed several years after the war. Even though the dire economic situation was eased somewhat by massive introduction of slave workforce from the occupied territories, Germany by 1962 is a nation on the brink of collapse, with youth protesting across the country, the industry almost entirely dependent on slave labor and a conflict between various factions for power in the Reich, which turns into a full-blown CivilWar after Hitler's death.

** ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysofEurope'' is a ''Hearts of Iron IV'' GameMod set in a world of alternate Cold War between victorious Nazi Germany, UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan and the United States of America. The real PointOfDivergence happens much earlier, though, when a prolonged Russian Civil War and failed economic policies by the eventual victor, Nikolay Bukharin, leaves the Soviet Union unable to properly industrialize and therefore much more vunerable to the German invasion. While Nazi Germany managed to crush both the British Empire and the weakened Soviet Union and launch a nuclear strike on Pearl Harbour in 1944, forcing the US to concede defeat, their economy couldn't sustain itself much longer and crashed several years after the war. Even though the dire economic situation was eased somewhat by massive introduction of slave workforce from the occupied territories, Germany by 1962 is a nation on the brink of collapse, with youth protesting across the country, the industry almost entirely dependent on slave labor and a conflict between various factions for power in the Reich, which turns into a full-blown CivilWar after Hitler's death.

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** ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysofEurope'' is a ''Hearts of Iron IV'' GameMod set in a world of alternate Cold War between victorious Nazi Germany, UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan and the United States of America. While Germany managed to crush both the British Empire and the Soviet Union and launch a nuclear strike on Pearl Harbour in 1944, forcing the US to concede defeat, their economy couldn't sustain itself much longer and crashed several years after the war. Even though the dire economic situation was eased somewhat by massive introduction of slave workforce from the occupied territories, Germany by 1962 is a nation on the brink of collapse, with youth protesting across the country, the industry almost entirely dependent on slave labor and a conflict between various factions for power in the Reich, which turns into a full-blown CivilWar after Hitler's death.

* ''Series/DangerFive'' travel back in time to World War II and are too busy partying with their younger selves and trying to fix old mistakes to concentrate on their original mission: KILL HITLER! When they return to the future, they discover that Hitler has taken over the world.

** ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysofEurope'' is an unreleased ''Hearts of Iron IV'' GameMod set in a world of alternate Cold War between victorious Nazi Germany, UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan and the United States of America. While Germany managed to crush both the British Empire and the Soviet Union and launch a nuclear strike on Pearl Harbour in 1944, forcing the US to concede defeat, their economy couldn't sustain itself much longer and crashed several years after the war. Even though the dire economic situation was eased somewhat by massive introduction of slave workforce from the occupied territories, Germany by 1962 is a nation on the brink of collapse, with youth protesting across the country, the industry almost entirely dependent on slave labor and a conflict between various factions for power in the Reich, which turns into a full-blown CivilWar after Hitler's death.

* ''ComicBook/{{Uber}}'' is a vicious take on the scenario and StupidJetpackHitler with the point of divergence arriving at the very end of World War II through [[AlienSpaceBats the introduction of super soldiers on the Nazi side]]. The war gets extended, millions more end up dead, and results in an arms race between the different powers all trying to develop their own "Ubers". The Nazis' explicit plan is not to win, but to [[PyrrhicVictory "make everyone else lose as well"]]. The book ends up deconstructing this as [[spoiler:although the Nazis reconquer Europe and defeat the British Empire, the land invasion of the USA that marks the high point of their success degenerates into simply a series of horrific massacres committed ForTheEvulz, and things then go rapidly downhill for them once their initial advantage as the first country to have superhumans dissipates. The biggest historical divergence in the book is that the Soviet Union collapses forty years early, and that was nothing to do with the Nazis at all, but instead due to Joseph Stalin getting his hands on the most powerful single superhuman in the world through dumb luck, but then being unable to stop [[BullyingADragon trying to screw her over]] out of ego and paranoia]].

** ''Shtetl Days'': The Nazis won the war and exterminated the Jews. 100 years later, they start building Jewish-inspired theme parks with actors to honor the event... and the actors start BecomingTheMask because life in victorious Nazi Germany sucks more a "decadent" pre-war Jewish village in Eastern Europe.
** ''Literature/WorldWar'': When space lizards invade during World War II Nazi Germany successfully defends itself and becomes one of the three human nuclear powers, and retains all wartime conquests except the western USSR (which is returned) and Poland (which is surrendered to the aliens). In 1965 the Greater German Reich fights and loses a short nuclear war against the aliens but, while forced to give up France and its nuclear and spacefaring technology, manages to retain the rest of its empire. By 2031, the Reich has recovered and is once again considered a world power.

** ''The Man with the Iron Heart'': The Nazis still lost World War Two, but they mounted a post-war insurgency effective enough to make the Western Allies withdraw from their zones at the end of the book, in 1947. The Soviets, on the other hand, are adamant that they will never leave their occupied zone.

** ''Worldwar'': When space lizards invade during World War II Nazi Germany successfully defends itself and becomes one of the three human nuclear powers, and retains all wartime conquests except the western USSR (which is returned) and Poland (which is surrendered to the aliens). In 1965 the Greater German Reich fights and loses a short nuclear war against the aliens but, while forced to give up France and its nuclear and spacefaring technology, manages to retain the rest of its empire. By 2031, the Reich has recovered and is once again considered a world power.

Of course, there's different degrees to how conclusive the Nazi victory would have been, and probably a few more wars. Perhaps the Americans would have nuked the world to death, or maybe the British were a bit slow on the planes and codebreaking. And, with how peaceful Germany is now, a Nazi victory might have just meant a longer period of shit before kind of leveling out again. However, speculative fiction isn't just interested with "They won but then got defeated in the Cold War" -- it also wants the {{dystopia}}. Stories of a Nazi defensive victory may also be rare because they bring up questions about how the still-existing powers that made up the Allies would have related to the Nazi state and -- given the scale of Nazi atrocities, combined with the pragmatic and amoral nature of much of international diplomacy -- may implicitly paint these states in a far less heroic or moral light. Given that World War II stories are often used to deliver parables or comment about the present-day world, that the war forms a large part of the national mythos of the US, UK and countries of the former Soviet Union[[labelnote:*]]It was/is even called the Great Patriotic War there![[/labelnote]], and that these states' own ethno-racial and colonialist attitudes and politics at that time and other less-than-heroic aspects tend to be downplayed in narratives of the war, such portayals might be seen as politically sensitive or just plain jarring for audiences (though rare examples do exist.)

SubTrope of AlternateHistory, TheBadGuyWins and VillainWorld. Compare and contrast CommieLand and PrivatelyOwnedSociety, the politicial and ideological opposite. See also GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel and DayOfTheJackboot.

* On Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, the "Nazi Victory" is generally seen as {{cliche}}, not only because it's primarily popular for newbies to the forum, but because it's very prone to AlternateHistoryWank and ArtisticLicenseHistory for the sake of RuleOfCool. In particular, positing "Operation Sea Lion", the planned Nazi German invasion of the United Kingdom in 1940, as a PointOfDivergence has become a meme on the forum for being one of the most ill-conceived invasion plans in recorded history and highly unlikely to result in a Nazi victory. Still, there are a few timelines that have gained some acclaim for being well-written/researched, such as ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar''.

* Creator/StephenKing's novel ''Literature/TheLongWalk'' is a very subtle example. While it's entirely set in an OppressiveStatesOfAmerica, references made by various characters indicate that Nazi Germany won the war in Europe, attacked the U.S. East Coast, then ended up in a stalemate when both sides developed nuclear weapons. The subsequent economic downturn led the United States to adopt a totalitarian government as well.

Of course, there's different degrees to how conclusive the Nazi victory would have been, and probably a few more wars. Perhaps the Americans would have nuked the world to death, or maybe the British were a bit slow on the planes and codebreaking. And, with how peaceful Germany is now, a Nazi victory might have just meant a longer period of shit before kind of leveling out again. However, speculative fiction isn't just interested with "They won but then got defeated in the Cold War" -- it also wants the {{dystopia}}. Stories of a Nazi defensive victory may also be rare because they bring up questions about how the still-existing powers that made up the Alliance would have related to the Nazi state and -- given the scale of Nazi atrocities, combined with the pragmatic and amoral nature of much of international diplomacy -- may implicitly paint these states in a far less heroic or moral light. Given that World War II stories are often used to deliver parables or comment about the present-day world, that the war forms a large part of the national mythos of the US, UK and countries of the former Soviet Union[[labelnote:*]]It was/is even called the Great Patriotic War there![[/labelnote]], and that these states' own ethno-racial and colonialist attitudes and politics at that time and other less-than-heroic aspects tend to be downplayed in narratives of the war, such portayals might be seen as politically sensitive or just plain jarring for audiences (though rare examples do exist.)

Of course, there's different degrees to how conclusive the Nazi victory would have been, and probably a few more wars. Perhaps the Americans would have nuked the world to death, or maybe the British were a bit slow on the planes and codebreaking. And, with how peaceful Germany is now, a Nazi victory might have just meant a longer period of shit before kind of leveling out again. However, speculative fiction isn't just interested with "They won but then got defeated in the Cold War" -- it also wants the {{dystopia}}. Stories of a Nazi defensive victory may also be rare because they bring up questions about how the still-existing powers that made up the Alliance would have related to the Nazi state and -- given the scale of Nazi atrocities, combined with the pragmatic and amoral nature of much of international diplomacy -- may implicitly paint these states in a far less heroic or moral light. Given that World War II stories are often used to deliver parables or comment about the present-day world, that the war forms a large part of the national mythos of the US, UK and countries of the former Soviet Union[[labelnote:*]]It was even called the Great Patriotic War there![[/labelnote]], and that these states' own ethno-racial and colonialist attitudes and politics at that time and other less-than-heroic aspects tend to be downplayed in narratives of the war, such portayals might be seen as politically sensitive or just plain jarring for audiences (though rare examples do exist.)

* ''ComicBook/{{Uber}}'' is a vicious take on the scenario and StupidJetpackHitler with the point of divergence arriving at the very end of World War II through [[AlienSpaceBats the introduction of super soldiers on the Nazi side]]. The war gets extended, millions more end up dead, and results in an arms race between the different powers all trying to develop their own "Ubers". The Nazis' explicit plan is not to win, but to "make everyone else lose as well". The book ends up deconstructing this as [[spoiler:although the Nazis reconquer Europe and defeat the British Empire, the land invasion of the USA that marks the high point of their success degenerates into simply a series of horrific massacres committed ForTheEvulz, and things then go rapidly downhill for them once their initial advantage as the first country to have superhumans dissipates. The biggest historical divergence in the book is that the Soviet Union collapses forty years early, and that was nothing to do with the Nazis at all, but instead due to Joseph Stalin getting his hands on the most powerful single superhuman in the world through dumb luck, but then being unable to stop [[BullyingADragon trying to screw her over]] out of ego and paranoia]].

* ''The Ultimate Solution'' by Eric Norden is set in a [[Dystopia nightmarish]] Nazified USA long after the Axis victory in World War II, with the premise of a PoliceProcedural depicting the NYPD hunting down and exterminating the last Jew alive [[spoiler: who turns out to be a traveler from our world]]. Among the [[CrossesTheLineTwice various horrors]] depicted in the novel are black slaves fighting Colosseum-style in the Madison Square Garden with the loser being gruesomely electrocuted to death, an eroticized torture show where a Slavic woman is crucified for the sexual amusement of Aryan patrons, Hitler Youth school outings to death camps where they get to watch color footage of mass executions, etc.

Using this trope is typically prone to AlternateHistoryWank and DatedHistory: Nazi Germany had a lot of disadvantages and would have needed several lucky breaks just to durably win the war in Europe, never mind [[TakeOverTheWorld grow to a globe-spanning empire]], but many classics of this subgenre (such as TropeCodifier ''Literature/TheManInTheHighCastle'') were written before significant information about World War II was declassified, or without doing much research in the first place. Realistic Nazi victory scenarios have to take these disadvantages into account.

## Then there's the whole [[NukeEm "nuke the East Coast"]] bit. There's a reason the ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}}'' games have always made The Manhattan Project a world wonder - the effort to produce a viable nuclear weapon required a massive amount of research and resources; there's a famous anecdote that when General Groves asked for such-and-such a number of tons of silver from the U.S. Treasury, he got the starchy reply that "we do not speak of tons of silver at the Treasury. Our unit of measure is the troy ounce." (he did get the silver in the end). The production of fissionable material alone took not only massive facilities to process the material, but large amounts of power to run said facilities (which is why the facilities were built in the Tennessee Valley.) Then there was figuring out how to make an atomic bomb actually work. And the US faced all that without any serious efforts to undermine the project - whereas Germany had their program hindered by several notable acts of sabotage, such as having a major shipment of heavy water scuttled. Germany's nuclear program was actually ''nine separate rival programs,'' each actively hindering the others and fighting for an ever-dwindling budget. In addition, one of the great wastes of resources Germany committed was the whole driving out or killing of the Jewish scientists. The scientists that were left were further constrained by ideologically-correct "German Physics," which threw out several relatively recently-discovered principles that made the Manhattan Project possible because they were considered tainted by association with Jews. You could say that in this "Alternate History" they didn't do any of that, but then they wouldn't really have been, well, Nazis. Aryan supremacy was a core plank of the Nazi ideology, and they were just not pragmatic enough to compromise on that. The Nazis did everything possible to make sure that their nuclear programs would be nothing but abject failures in ''every area imaginable'', something "Germans make nukes first" scenarios conveniently gloss over.

* In 'the 'WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' episode "[[Recap/RickAndMortyS4E1EdgeOfTomortyRickDieRickpeat Edge of Tomorty: Rick Die Rickpeat]]", Rick's consciousness ends up being [[BodyBackupDrive automatically transplanted into clone bodies]] in alternate dimensions after his original body is killed (because he had previously destroyed the prepared clone bodies in his own dimension). However, he keeps getting transplanted into fascist dimensions and being gruesomely killed by the regime. Eventually, he gets so fed up he immediately commits suicide at the first hint of fascism so he can just get to the next dimension.

** ''In the Presence of mine Enemies'': Germany won the second world war because of American neutrality and later invaded the US in the third world war. All "undesiderables" were exterminated except for a few hiding under secret identities, like the main character who is a German Jew posing as an "Aryan". By 2010, the Nazi empire rules the world but is stagnating and collapses within a year in what is totally not a ripoff of the USSR's fall in 1991.
** ''The Last Article'': Germany defeated the UK and the Soviet Union and is taking over India by 1947, much to Gandhi's misfortune. It still is at war with the US and the Free French in Africa.
** ''The Man with the Iron Heart'': The Nazis ''lost'', but they mounted a post-war insurgency effective enough to make the Western Allies withdraw from their part at the end of the book, in 1947. The Soviets, on the other hand, are adamant that they will never get the eastern part.

** ''Worldwar'': Nazi Germany is one of the few nations to survive after space lizards invade during World War II, and retains all war conquests except the western USSR (which is returned) and Poland (which is surrendered to the aliens). In 1965 the Nazis fight and lose another war against the aliens but are only forced to give up France and their nuclear and spacefaring technology (copied from the aliens). By 2031, they are still in power and considering a new space war.

SubTrope of AlternateHistory, TheBadGuyWins and VillainWorld. See also GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel and DayOfTheJackboot.