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It received a [[Film/TheNameOfTheRose movie adaptation]] in 1986, directed by Creator/JeanJacquesAnnaud, and starring Creator/ChristianSlater, Creator/FMurrayAbraham, Creator/RonPerlman, Creator/MichaelLonsdale, and Creator/SeanConnery. It was also adapted a year later into an unlicensed [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Abadía_del_Crimen video game]]. In 2019 it was adapted by Italian UsefulNotes/StateBroadcaster Rai 1 into a TV miniseries, and broadcast on Sundance TV in the United States. It starred Creator/JohnTurturro, Creator/RupertEverett, Creator/MichaelEmerson, Creator/JamesCosmo, Creator/SebastianKoch and Creator/TchekyKaryo.
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It received a [[Film/TheNameOfTheRose movie adaptation]] in 1986, directed by Creator/JeanJacquesAnnaud, and starring Creator/ChristianSlater, Creator/FMurrayAbraham, Creator/RonPerlman, Creator/MichaelLonsdale, and Creator/SeanConnery. It was also adapted a year later into an unlicensed [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Abadía_del_Crimen video game]]. In 2019 it was adapted by Italian UsefulNotes/StateBroadcaster MediaNotes/StateBroadcaster Rai 1 into a TV miniseries, and broadcast on Sundance TV in the United States. It starred Creator/JohnTurturro, Creator/RupertEverett, Creator/MichaelEmerson, Creator/JamesCosmo, Creator/SebastianKoch and Creator/TchekyKaryo.
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* UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}}: Many of the heretical movements mentioned have Gnostic inspirations. William, while a Franciscan monk, has some Gnostic ideas on the importance of learning.
** [[spoiler: One of the three manuscripts that Jorge is trying to hide is actually an old gnostic cosmogony, in which Laughter is one of the divine emanations. Jorge doesn't really care, because no Christian in 1327 would care what some old Egyptian heretic thought. Aristotle on the other hand...]]
** [[spoiler: One of the three manuscripts that Jorge is trying to hide is actually an old gnostic cosmogony, in which Laughter is one of the divine emanations. Jorge doesn't really care, because no Christian in 1327 would care what some old Egyptian heretic thought. Aristotle on the other hand...]]
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* TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers
-->'''Adso:''' ''(narrating)'' [[WhoAreYou Who was she?]] Who was this creature that rose like the dawn, was as bewitching as the moon, radiant as the sun? [[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny Terrible as an army poised for battle.]]
** Which is, however, a direct quotation of the [[Literature/SongOfSongs Canticles / Song of Songs / Song of Solomon]], the Sixth Chapter, the tenth verse. Here-endeth-the-Lesson.
-->'''Adso:''' ''(narrating)'' [[WhoAreYou Who was she?]] Who was this creature that rose like the dawn, was as bewitching as the moon, radiant as the sun? [[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny Terrible as an army poised for battle.]]
** Which is, however, a direct quotation of the [[Literature/SongOfSongs Canticles / Song of Songs / Song of Solomon]], the Sixth Chapter, the tenth verse. Here-endeth-the-Lesson.
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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: At the beginning of the novel, Adso, following medieval genre conventions, agrees not to describe the faces or general appearance of the monks in much detail - safe for William, due to the unique "singularity of his features". The book then gives you a description of William's "singular features" that is taken almost word-for-word from Holmes' description in AStudyInScarlet
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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: At the beginning of the novel, Adso, following medieval genre conventions, agrees not to describe the faces or general appearance of the monks in much detail - safe for William, due to the unique "singularity of his features". The book then gives you a description of William's "singular features" that is taken almost word-for-word from Holmes' description in AStudyInScarlet''Literature/AStudyInScarlet''.
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* GreenEyedMonster: [[Malachi kills Severinus simply because [[ManipulativeBastard Jorge]] insinuated he slept with Berengar]]
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* GreenEyedMonster: [[Malachi [[spoiler: [[TheDragon Malachi]] kills Severinus simply because [[ManipulativeBastard Jorge]] insinuated he slept with Berengar]]
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* AmbiguouslyGay: Adelmo. What is known for sure is that [[he had sex with [[DepravedHomosexual Berengar]], but it remains ambiguous whether he actually wanted to, or whether he wanted to read the manuscript that badly]]. Ubertino seems to think this at least.
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* AmbiguouslyGay: Adelmo. What is known for sure is that [[he [[spoiler: he had sex with [[DepravedHomosexual Berengar]], but it remains ambiguous whether he actually wanted to, or whether he wanted to read the manuscript that badly]]. Ubertino seems to think this at least.
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* AmbiguouslyGay: Adelmo. What is known for sure is that [[he had sex with [[DepravedHomosexual Berengar]], but it remains ambiguous whether he actually wanted to, or whether he wanted to read the manuscript that badly]]. Ubertino seems to think this at least.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Averted for the most part. Umberto Eco went to great lengths to make sure that everything in his story could have plausibly happened in the Middle Ages. There are perhaps one or two very minor mistakes and even those are mostly the result of [[ScienceMarchesOn Historiography Marches On]]
** ''Emperor'' Louis IV, frequently mentioned as William's benefactor, was actually merely ''king'' Louis IV at the time of the story. His coronation as Roman Emperor took place in 1328, and is even referenced at the end of the story, even though by then he has already been referred to as Emperor multiple times already. While a modern reader probably wouldn't care, to the monks this may very well have mattered: The title of Holy Roman Emperor was, [[PriestKing at least in theory]], considered equal to the Papal one, including in some matters of the church; and it is unlikely that his enemies would cede this amount of religious and worldly authority to him.
** Modern historians usually consider Bernard Gui to be a more multi-faceted figure than the [[BurnTheWitch image]] that people had of him back in 1980.
** ''Emperor'' Louis IV, frequently mentioned as William's benefactor, was actually merely ''king'' Louis IV at the time of the story. His coronation as Roman Emperor took place in 1328, and is even referenced at the end of the story, even though by then he has already been referred to as Emperor multiple times already. While a modern reader probably wouldn't care, to the monks this may very well have mattered: The title of Holy Roman Emperor was, [[PriestKing at least in theory]], considered equal to the Papal one, including in some matters of the church; and it is unlikely that his enemies would cede this amount of religious and worldly authority to him.
** Modern historians usually consider Bernard Gui to be a more multi-faceted figure than the [[BurnTheWitch image]] that people had of him back in 1980.
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* BeAsUnhelpfulAsPossible: This is the attitude of every monk in the abbey toward William's investigation.
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* BeAsUnhelpfulAsPossible: This is the attitude of every monk in the abbey toward William's investigation. The only exceptions to this are [[TheCoroner Severinus]] and [[TheBlacksmith Nicolas]]
* ForeignCultureFetish: Jorge portrays ancient philosophy as something like this - a foreign influence that threatens to disrupt the purity of European Christianity. [[spoiler: The fact that the pagan Aristotle in particular was so successful in shaping medieval culture and theology is why Jorge is so determined to hide the manuscript - he is afraid that its discovery might create a society, in which irreverence and disrespect are treated as virtues]]
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* TheFundamentalist: Out of all the monks, Jorge of Burgos is the only who seems truly committed to the teachings of Christianity ... to a truly unsettling degree. The others seem more interested in accumulating wealth, accumulating power and influence, or satisfying their own lusts (base or otherwise). Even William of Baskerville tends to approach his faith from a more Gnostic and rationalist perspective.
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* TheFundamentalist: Out of all the monks, Jorge of Burgos is the only one who seems truly most committed to the teachings of Christianity ... to a truly very unsettling degree. The others seem more interested in accumulating wealth, accumulating power and influence, or satisfying their own lusts (base or otherwise). Even William of Baskerville tends to approach his faith from a more Gnostic and rationalist perspective.
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* GratuitousForeignLanguage: Most of the [[GratuitousLatin Latin phrases]] are given translations in the back of the book, but the [[GratuitousGerman gratuitous Middle High German]] is not.
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* Gayngst: [[spoiler: The reason for Adelmo's suicide.]]
*GoodCounterpart: Ubertino is arguably this to Jorge. They both reject scholasticism, any sort of heresy and are convinced of milleniarist thought. They also are both friendly to Adso, and critical of William. But while [[NobleBigot Ubertino's]] criticism comes across as fairly benevolent, and his relationship to William is a good one; Jorge is much more harsh and malevolent to anyone that does not fit his very narrow idea of what Christianity should be.
* GratuitousForeignLanguage: Most of the [[GratuitousLatin Latin phrases]] are given translations in the back of the book, but the [[GratuitousGerman gratuitous Middle High German]] is not.
* GreenEyedMonster: [[Malachi kills Severinus simply because [[ManipulativeBastard Jorge]] insinuated he slept with Berengar]]
* GratuitousForeignLanguage: Most of the [[GratuitousLatin Latin phrases]] are given translations in the back of the book, but the [[GratuitousGerman gratuitous Middle High German]] is not.
* GreenEyedMonster: [[Malachi kills Severinus simply because [[ManipulativeBastard Jorge]] insinuated he slept with Berengar]]
* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: At the beginning of the novel, Adso, following medieval genre conventions, agrees not to describe the faces or general appearance of the monks in much detail - safe for William, due to the unique "singularity of his features". The book then gives you a description of William's "singular features" that is taken almost word-for-word from Holmes' description in AStudyInScarlet
* LoveTriangle: [[spoiler: Malachi is in love with Berengar, who is in love with Adelmo. Whether either is really reciprocrated is never fully explained]]
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* MedievalMorons: The monks (beside William and [[TheWatson Adso]], who is actively being trained in logic during the story), are mostly either fanatical or stupid. Even the more knowledgeable ones only know facts and avoid really using them. William himself resists using deduction on the natural world because asserting that creation is constrained by rules would imply that God is as well. There is also an overarching preoccupation with authority--why bother thinking if your priest or the pope has already told you what's what? Intellectual arguments, even those delivered by William (although he may just be meeting his opponents at their level) are almost purely half-baked appeals to authority, with monks naming a revered philosopher, summarizing one of ''his'' arguments, and leaving it at that. No actual analysis or engaging with the merits--monks simply throw opposing quotes past each other until they need to move on to another topic.
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* MedievalMorons: The Zig-Zagged:
** On the one hand, most of the monks (beside William and [[TheWatson Adso]], who is actively being trained in logic during the story), are mostly either fanatical or stupid. Even some of the more knowledgeable ones only seem to know facts and avoid really using them. William himself resists using deduction on the natural world because asserting that creation is constrained by rules would imply that God is as well. There is also an overarching preoccupation with authority--why bother thinking if your priest or the pope has already told you what's what? Intellectual arguments, even those delivered by William (although he may just be meeting his opponents at their level) are almost purely half-baked appeals to authority, with monks naming a revered philosopher, summarizing one of ''his'' arguments, and leaving it at that. No actual analysis or engaging with the merits--monks simply throw opposing quotes past each other until they need to move on to anothertopic.topic.
** On the other hand, while AppealToAuthority is a very common thing among the monks, they very clearly do have reasons of their own for why they position themselves either in favour of one or another theory. Unlike many other depictions of medieval Christianity, the monks in the monastery are fairly diverse when it comes to their theological standpoints and are more than willing to discuss. There are different opinions on apostolic poverty, heresy, the nature of evil or Aristotelian ethics that cannot clearly be unified in one single dogma. Not all of the authorities quoted are ancient, as some of them like Roger Bacon or William of Ockham would have been contemporaries of Adso, and others would have been fairly recent, like Aquinas. After all, this is what a lot of medieval philosophy actually was: Figures like Aquinas or Al-Ghazali founded entire schools of philosophy simply by creating annotations and reinterpretations of much older philosophers like Aristotle.
** It is also worth mentioning that Umberto Eco seemlessly manages to incorporate modern philosophy into the book by disguising at something his monks would say.
--> '''Eco''': I do not believe I was neglecting [faithfulness to the period] when I disguised quotations from later authors (such as Wittgenstein), passing them off as quotations from the period. In those instances, I knew very well that it was not my medieval men that were being modern; if anything, it was the moderns who were thinking medievally.
** On the one hand, most of the monks (beside William and [[TheWatson Adso]], who is actively being trained in logic during the story), are mostly either fanatical or stupid. Even some of the more knowledgeable ones only seem to know facts and avoid really using them. William himself resists using deduction on the natural world because asserting that creation is constrained by rules would imply that God is as well. There is also an overarching preoccupation with authority--why bother thinking if your priest or the pope has already told you what's what? Intellectual arguments, even those delivered by William (although he may just be meeting his opponents at their level) are almost purely half-baked appeals to authority, with monks naming a revered philosopher, summarizing one of ''his'' arguments, and leaving it at that. No actual analysis or engaging with the merits--monks simply throw opposing quotes past each other until they need to move on to another
** On the other hand, while AppealToAuthority is a very common thing among the monks, they very clearly do have reasons of their own for why they position themselves either in favour of one or another theory. Unlike many other depictions of medieval Christianity, the monks in the monastery are fairly diverse when it comes to their theological standpoints and are more than willing to discuss. There are different opinions on apostolic poverty, heresy, the nature of evil or Aristotelian ethics that cannot clearly be unified in one single dogma. Not all of the authorities quoted are ancient, as some of them like Roger Bacon or William of Ockham would have been contemporaries of Adso, and others would have been fairly recent, like Aquinas. After all, this is what a lot of medieval philosophy actually was: Figures like Aquinas or Al-Ghazali founded entire schools of philosophy simply by creating annotations and reinterpretations of much older philosophers like Aristotle.
** It is also worth mentioning that Umberto Eco seemlessly manages to incorporate modern philosophy into the book by disguising at something his monks would say.
--> '''Eco''': I do not believe I was neglecting [faithfulness to the period] when I disguised quotations from later authors (such as Wittgenstein), passing them off as quotations from the period. In those instances, I knew very well that it was not my medieval men that were being modern; if anything, it was the moderns who were thinking medievally.
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* ShaggyDogStory: [[spoiler:If you read carefully and think about it, you'll notice that this is a detective story where the detective isn't very successful - he even admits it near the end - and the BigBad is never brought to justice.]]
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* ShaggyDogStory: [[spoiler:If you read carefully and think about it, you'll notice that this is a detective story where the detective isn't very successful - he even admits it near the end - and the BigBad is never brought to justice.]]]] There's a reason that Eco described his book as a "trap for the reader" in his annotations.
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* SmugSnake: Benno, who lies to the protagonists multiple times, just so he can [[spoiler: follow them and steal the manuscript. When he finally succeeds,]] he even engages in some gloating. Then, barely a few days later, he comes to them begging for help because he thinks the killer will target him now.
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* TransparentCloset: The fact that Berengar is gay is pretty much common knowledge in the monastery. The other monks do not like to talk about it to each other and especially not to Adso and William. He does nevertheless seem somewhat well-integrated in the monastery and quite a few monks seem to handle his sexuality with a sort of "love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin"-mentality.
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* WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove: In one of the very few FunnyMoments in the novel, Adso, after reading some books in the library, comes to the conclusion that his [[spoiler:love (or what he [[SexEqualsLove thinks is love]]) for the unnamed girl, is actually a disease that might kill him. Which leads to him seriously considering some fairly bizzarre suggestions - for example, one book suggests that he should pay an old village crone to insult his crush until he has stopped loving her.]]
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It received a [[Film/TheNameOfTheRose movie adaptation]] in 1986, directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud, and starring Creator/ChristianSlater, Creator/FMurrayAbraham, Creator/RonPerlman, Creator/MichaelLonsdale, and Creator/SeanConnery. It was also adapted a year later into an unlicensed [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Abadía_del_Crimen video game]]. In 2019 it was adapted by Italian UsefulNotes/StateBroadcaster Rai 1 into a TV miniseries, and broadcast on Sundance TV in the United States. It starred Creator/JohnTurturro, Creator/RupertEverett, Creator/MichaelEmerson, Creator/JamesCosmo, Creator/SebastianKoch and Creator/TchekyKaryo.
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It received a [[Film/TheNameOfTheRose movie adaptation]] in 1986, directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud, Creator/JeanJacquesAnnaud, and starring Creator/ChristianSlater, Creator/FMurrayAbraham, Creator/RonPerlman, Creator/MichaelLonsdale, and Creator/SeanConnery. It was also adapted a year later into an unlicensed [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Abadía_del_Crimen video game]]. In 2019 it was adapted by Italian UsefulNotes/StateBroadcaster Rai 1 into a TV miniseries, and broadcast on Sundance TV in the United States. It starred Creator/JohnTurturro, Creator/RupertEverett, Creator/MichaelEmerson, Creator/JamesCosmo, Creator/SebastianKoch and Creator/TchekyKaryo.
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Set in what has been called the [[MedievalMorons disastrous]] [[TheLateMiddleAges fourteenth century]], during the period of the Medieval Inquisition. The story, described by some as Literature/SherlockHolmes [[RecycledINSPACE IN THE 14th CENTURY]], follows Brother William of Baskerville and his young apprentice, novice Adso of [[UsefulNotes/{{Austria}} Melk]], who go to an abbey where a murder was committed and end up [[DetectiveStory investigating]] it.
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Set in what has been called the [[MedievalMorons disastrous]] [[TheLateMiddleAges fourteenth century]], during the period of the Medieval Inquisition. The story, described by some as Literature/SherlockHolmes [[RecycledINSPACE [[JustForFun/RecycledINSPACE IN THE 14th CENTURY]], follows Brother William of Baskerville and his young apprentice, novice Adso of [[UsefulNotes/{{Austria}} Melk]], who go to an abbey where a murder was committed and end up [[DetectiveStory investigating]] it.
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* RecycledInSpace: The story is basically a medieval Literature/SherlockHolmes mystery in addition to the literary elements.
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* RecycledInSpace: RecycledWithAGimmick: The story is basically a medieval Literature/SherlockHolmes mystery in addition to the literary elements.
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* RedFlagRecreationMaterial: Though Jorge of Burgos cannot read for himself (being blind), he expresses a great admiration for texts concerning the apocalypse, rhapsodizing about one to Adso in their first conversation - firmly identifying him as easily the most extreme of all the monks at the abbey. [[spoiler: He's actually responsible for the deaths around the abbey, having driven Adelmo to suicide out of homophobia and poisoned the book of ''Poetics'' in order to prevent mankind from accepting laughter as permissible.]]
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This should have been on the page for the film adaptation, not the book. Also, the armor was historically accurate.
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* HollywoodCostuming: The soldiers that accompany Gui are dressed in a bizarre getup, that appears to span multiple eras. Their helmets in particular do not appear to fit properly.
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* ManOnFire: To ensure the book's destruction, the killer holds it over the flames, but his robe catches fire as well.
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* MundaneUtility: William using his SherlockScan to tell Adso where the toilet is located.
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* [[ManOnFire Monk On Fire]]: To ensure the book's destruction, the killer holds it over the flames, but his robe catches fire as well.
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* MundaneUtility: William using his SherlockScan to tell Adso where the toilet is located.
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* AsTheGoodBookSays: Being monks, main the characters in the book quote the Bible frequently. Adso even quotes the Literature/SongOfSongs while [[spoiler:he's having sex.]]
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* AsTheGoodBookSays: Being monks, main many of the characters in the book quote the Bible frequently. Adso even quotes the Literature/SongOfSongs while [[spoiler:he's having sex.]]
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* SexEqualsLove: Adso is convinced he's fallen in love with the girl after their CoitusEnsues encounter. Justified as he's a virgin in a religious order that discourages any interaction with women, and the experience is so intense for him.
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* SexEqualsLove: Adso is convinced he's fallen in love with the girl after their CoitusEnsues sexual encounter. Justified as he's a virgin in a religious order that discourages any interaction with women, and the experience is so intense for him.
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%% * GettingCrapPastThe Radar: Due to overwhelming and persistent misuse, GCPTR is on-page examples only until 01 June 2021. If you are reading this in the future, please check the trope page to make sure your example fits the current definition.
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* BlackAndWhiteInsanity: A caliph is mentioned as having ordered a library burned because either they said what was in the Quran and therefore redundant, or did ''not'' say what was in the Quran and thus heretical. [[note]] This is in reference to the story of how Caliph Omar burned the Library of Alexandria. It's now widely considered apocryphal (for one, the Library of Alexandria had ceased to exist centuries before he was born), but William mentioning it is historically accurate, as the story was first recorded by Christian historians in the 13th century. [[/note]]
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* BlackAndWhiteInsanity: A caliph is mentioned as having ordered a library burned because either they said what was in the Quran and therefore redundant, or did ''not'' say what was in the Quran and thus heretical. [[note]] This is in reference to the story of how Caliph Omar burned the Library of Alexandria. It's now widely considered apocryphal known to be incorrect (for one, the Library of Alexandria had ceased to exist centuries before he was born), but William mentioning it is historically accurate, as the story was first recorded by Christian historians in the 13th century. [[/note]]
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** William himself is left with his faith in his reason shaken. While he did manage to spot relevant clues and his deduction led him to the killer and the reason for the killings, he notes this was the result of fortunate coincidence. He spotted clues, but his reasoning for their meaning was incorrect.
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* BitterSweetEnding: [[spoiler: While William does manage to figure out that Jorge was the killer, the latter succeeds in destroying the last copy of Aristotle’s second book on comedy and dies before he can face any trial and while some corrupt members of the church do end up dying, most of the knowledge within the abbey except a handful of books William was able to save is lost when the entire building is consumed in a fire. Although it does serve to distract the monks that were going to burn an innocent woman alive for being accused of witchcraft and she is freed by the other peasants.]]
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* BitterSweetEnding: [[spoiler: While William does manage to figure out that Jorge was the killer, the latter succeeds in destroying the last copy of Aristotle’s second book on comedy and dies before he can face any trial and while some corrupt members of the church do end up dying, most of the knowledge within the abbey except a handful of books William was able to save is lost when the entire building is consumed in a fire. Although it does serve to distract the monks that were going to burn an innocent woman alive for being accused of witchcraft and she is freed by the other peasants.]]
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** Meaning: Probably the most important [[IncrediblyLamePun meaning]] of the rose motif - William speaks about how all books are references to pre-existing books. And as Eco points out, the rose has so many meanings that it is impossible to associate it with any particular one. This is one of the key ideas in [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics Semiotics]] of which Eco was a world renown scholar.
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** Meaning: Probably the most important [[IncrediblyLamePun meaning]] meaning of the rose motif - William speaks about how all books are references to pre-existing books. And as Eco points out, the rose has so many meanings that it is impossible to associate it with any particular one. This is one of the key ideas in [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics Semiotics]] of which Eco was a world renown scholar.
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** Meaning: Probably the most important [[IncrediblyLamePun meaning]] of the rose motif - William speaks about how all books are references to pre-existing books. And as Eco points out, the rose has so many meanings that it is impossible to associate it with any particular one.
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** Meaning: Probably the most important [[IncrediblyLamePun meaning]] of the rose motif - William speaks about how all books are references to pre-existing books. And as Eco points out, the rose has so many meanings that it is impossible to associate it with any particular one. This is one of the key ideas in [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics Semiotics]] of which Eco was a world renown scholar.
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** Love / Marriage: The monks are expected to remain celibate. 'Expected' being the key word.
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** Love / Marriage: The monks are expected to remain celibate. 'Expected' being the key word. The one truly innocent person in the Abby is the peasant girl who Adso comes to love and he never even learns her name.
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** Jorge of Burgos, the blind librarian, is a clear reference to Creator/JorgeLuisBorges, the Argentinian author who went blind, served as the director of Argentina's National Library, wrote a story about a labyrinthine library, and is generally credited as a stylistic influence on Eco and probably hundreds of other genre-bending postmodernist authors.
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** Jorge of Burgos, the blind librarian, is a clear reference to Creator/JorgeLuisBorges, the Argentinian author who went blind, served as the director of Argentina's National Library, wrote a story about a labyrinthine library, and is generally credited as a stylistic influence on Eco and probably hundreds of other genre-bending postmodernist authors. He was also believed to have fascist sympathies, making the connection even more apt.
