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On further review, the same analysts had both reactions at different times.


** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, whoever did ''that'' is going to be coming after ''us''."

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** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle [[spoiler:the Manties' performance at the Battle of Spindle]], and their initial reaction is "OhCrap, we're behind the curve." Then, after [[the Manties get kneecapped by Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is those analysts realize [[ItGotWorse it's even worse than that]]: "OhCrap, whoever did ''that'' to ''them'' is going to be coming after ''us''."
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Fair enough (Although you couldre-add it yourself. Despite appearances I\'m not an ass who deletes any new addition, when you\'ve got quote support you\'ve got every riht to undo my edit)


** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, we're way behind the curve."

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** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, we're way behind the curve.whoever did ''that'' is going to be coming after ''us''."
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\"...as preposterous as it sounds, I can only see one other target on the range at the moment ... us.\" (Mission of Honor, Chapter 32)
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Their reaction wasn\'t to feel that they were a target, it was to recognize how weak they were


** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, whoever did ''that'' is going to be coming after ''us''."

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** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, whoever did ''that'' is going to be coming after ''us''.we're way behind the curve."
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** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, we're way behind the curve."

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** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, we're way behind the curve.whoever did ''that'' is going to be coming after ''us''."
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Westrim, this is an issue of basic alphabetization. Simple as that. These tropes should not be listed together. Simple as that. it\'s not an issure for the forum, I\'m AGREEING with you that \"Suck\" should be on the page, but it shouldn\'t be on the page HERE. I have said that I am personally unaware of the fine distinction between the two tropes, so I do not feel I am qualified to do the split. It\'s as simple as that. if you feel you are qualified, then make the change. As it, since they\'re not the same trope they should not be listed together, and should be put in their own spots on the trope list.


* OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:

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* OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck: OhCrap: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:
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You clearly aren\'t reading them; several entries are both tropes. Take this to the forum if you still have an issue after \'\'reading\'\' the entries, or fix it yourself and stop complaining.


* OhCrap: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:

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* OhCrap: OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:
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Then put it in its own place. That\'s why I deleted this before, they\'re not the sam trope so they shouldn\'t be listed together. if some entries here belong in \'Suck\" instead of \"Crap\" then they should be taken out of here and put under the new entry. This isn\'t me saying \"Suck doesn\'t belong in this article,\" it\'s me saying \"Suck doesn\'t belong HERE\"


* OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck:: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:

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* OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck:: OhCrap: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:
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* AndIMustScream: Anyone unlucky enough to be targeted by the nanotech assassination virus experiences this; he will remain fully conscious and aware that he's completely lost control of his body, but unable to even make a sound in protest. Chillingly portrayed by one loose end for the [[spoiler:Mesan Alignment, who finds himself desperately trying to call for help as his arm calmly pulls a gun out of his desk drawer and puts the barrel into his mouth.]] In a twist, empathic/telepathic treecats ''can'' hear the mental screams and react accordingly.
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And they happen at the same time to different people in the series several times, a couple of them already entered. Take a closer look.


* OhCrap: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:

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* OhCrap: OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck:: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:
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** [[LiteratureLordDarcy Darcy Lord's]] "[[RandallGarrett Garrett Randall]]" psychic detective stories.

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** [[LiteratureLordDarcy [[Literature/LordDarcy Darcy Lord's]] "[[RandallGarrett Garrett Randall]]" psychic detective stories.
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** [[LordDarcy Darcy Lord's]] "Garrett Randall" psychic detective stories.

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** [[LordDarcy [[LiteratureLordDarcy Darcy Lord's]] "Garrett Randall" "[[RandallGarrett Garrett Randall]]" psychic detective stories.
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Oh Crap is a panicked reaction to things going south, This Is Gonna Suck is a calm resigned comment about impending doom
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The tropes are not the same (I actually have no clue what the differences are, but they exist. We should have them at two separate entries if we\'re gonna list both)


* OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:

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* OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck: OhCrap: There are many instances where characters realize how monumentally screwed they are, usually right before dying:

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* OhCrap: There are more than a few instances where certain characters realize how monumentally screwed they are:

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* OhCrap: OhCrap/ThisIsGonnaSuck: There are more than a few many instances where certain characters realize how monumentally screwed they are:are, usually right before dying:



** Competent professionals on the wrong side of such situations tend have reactions closer to ThisIsGonnaSuck. Sometimes at the same time that their less-competent superiors are giving the standard OhCrap response. [[spoiler: Example: the captain of the ''Jean Bart'' at New Tuscany, while his [[TooDumbToLive commanding admiral]] was in a total panic, was basically pondering how unfair it was that he was going to be collateral damage to a well-deserved DarwinAward.]]
** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, we're third."

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** Competent professionals on the wrong side of such situations tend have reactions closer to ThisIsGonnaSuck. Sometimes at the same time that their less-competent superiors are giving the standard OhCrap response. [[spoiler: Example: the captain of the ''Jean Bart'' at New Tuscany, Tuscany,]] while his [[TooDumbToLive commanding admiral]] was in a total panic, was basically pondering how unfair it was that he was going to be collateral damage to a well-deserved DarwinAward.]]
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** In ''Mission of Honor'', some Solarian analysts are discussing the implications of [[spoiler:Spindle and Oyster Bay]], and their reaction is "OhCrap, we're third."way behind the curve."
** The trope is said exactly by the commander of an LAC watching from the sidelines in his own system as Manticoran and Solarian ships confront each other, then less specifically by Solarians when the Manticorans launch an overwhelming missile strike well beyond their range and with far better ECM- only to deliberately suicide the missiles against their wedges. And are told the next wave will 'fired for effect'. They leave.
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* ''A Rising Thunder'': The Solarian League Conflict continues to grow while the Grand Alliance is formed.

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* ''A Rising Thunder'': Thunder'' (due for release on 6-March-2012): The Solarian League Conflict continues to grow while the Grand Alliance is formed.
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Misspelling of \"casualty\". (Although a \"causality count\" would be very interesting too.)


* DoomMagnet: Honor repeatedly laments every death that she's caused in the course of her duties, even when they're all justified and may have prevented even more deaths down the line. Nevertheless, due to her tendency to be in the right place at the right time, her causalty count is higher than it is for officers who are even more ruthless than she. Lampshaded in ''Honor Among Enemies'', when a couple of the wash-outs hastily assigned to her Q-ship are overheard complaining about their chances of surviving their mission.

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* DoomMagnet: Honor repeatedly laments every death that she's caused in the course of her duties, even when they're all justified and may have prevented even more deaths down the line. Nevertheless, due to her tendency to be in the right place at the right time, her causalty casualty count is higher than it is for officers who are even more ruthless than she. Lampshaded in ''Honor Among Enemies'', when a couple of the wash-outs hastily assigned to her Q-ship are overheard complaining about their chances of surviving their mission.
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* CadreOfForeignBodyguards:
** The body guards for the Hereditary President of the Peoples' Republic of Haven are all from Neo Geneva.
** Honor's armsmen hail from Grayson, prompting some ruffled feathers when she has to take ''armed'' foreign nationals onto Her Majesty's warships. Though this is ''technically'' an aversion, because Honor has dual Manticoran and Grayson citizenship (and titles).
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* MasterOfNone: The given reason why Manticore does not build or use battleships: Not strong or survivable enough to fight full wallers, not fast enough to match battlecruisers or below. Eventually, the Havenites manage to turn them into JackOfAllStats by using them in deep raiding, where being stronger than battlecruisers allows them to blow away pickets using said class while outrunning full wallers, and every Manty waller stuck guarding a backwater is one fewer at the frontlines. The ability to tow a LOT of pods helps, too.

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* MasterOfNone: The given reason why Manticore does not build or use battleships: Not strong or survivable enough to fight full wallers, not fast capable of enough acceleration to match battlecruisers or below. Eventually, the Havenites manage to turn them into JackOfAllStats by using them in deep raiding, where being stronger than battlecruisers allows them to blow away pickets using said class while outrunning full wallers, and every Manty waller stuck guarding a backwater is one fewer at the frontlines. The ability to tow a LOT of pods helps, too.
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* NameThatUnfoldsLikeLotusBlossom: The Treecats use these names not only for themselves (Laughs Brightly, Swift Striker, Sorrow Singer) but also for humans they think are important (Death Fang's Bane, Soul Of Steel, Dances On Clouds). It is worth noting that a Treecat may have his or her name changed several times during their life but adopted Treecats have two names, their descriptive name and the name that their human gives them (which never changes).
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* MasterOfNone: The given reason why Manticore does not build or use battleships: Not strong or survivable enough to fight full wallers, not fast enough to match battlecruisers or below. Eventually, the Havenites manage to turn them into JackOfAllStats by using them in deep raiding, where being stronger than battlecruisers allows them to blow away pickets using said class while outrunning full wallers, and every Manty waller stuck guarding a backwater is one fewer at the frontlines.

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* MasterOfNone: The given reason why Manticore does not build or use battleships: Not strong or survivable enough to fight full wallers, not fast enough to match battlecruisers or below. Eventually, the Havenites manage to turn them into JackOfAllStats by using them in deep raiding, where being stronger than battlecruisers allows them to blow away pickets using said class while outrunning full wallers, and every Manty waller stuck guarding a backwater is one fewer at the frontlines. The ability to tow a LOT of pods helps, too.
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* DeathByIrony: [[spoiler:Denver Summervale]] carefully plans out how he wants to goad Honor into challenging him to a duel, which lets ''him'' set the terms, and then in the duel itself, shoot her several times, give her a moment for the OhCrap to set in, and then deliver a final, fatal shot. Unfortunately for him, he underestimates her self-control, reflexes, and capacity for violence, and she uses ''precisely'' the same plan against him.

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I wanted to add Dramatic Irony, but someone beat me to it. Let\'s mash \'em together!


* DramaticIrony: ''On Basilisk Station'' ends with [[spoiler:Honor chasing a ship that is trying to ''call off'' a Havenite invasion. Honor thinks they are trying to summon said invasion. The captain of the opposing ship even lampshades it.]]

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* DramaticIrony: ''Constantly'', to varying degrees, since the narrative follows scores of characters on a dozen different sides, and none of them ever have perfect intelligence. For example, ''On Basilisk Station'' ends with [[spoiler:Honor chasing a ship that is trying to ''call off'' a Havenite invasion. Honor thinks they are trying to summon said invasion. The captain of the opposing ship even lampshades it.]]


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* InternalReveal: Frequent, due to all of the DramaticIrony. Most significantly with [[spoiler:the forged diplomatic correspondence, and everything else Mesa has been up to]].
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* TractorBeam: Gravity control technology is used to help spacecraft maneuver during docking. It is too short-ranged to use as a weapon, however, and probably wouldn't interact with an object inside an impeller wedge anyway.

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* TractorBeam: Gravity control technology is used to help spacecraft maneuver during docking.docking, and to tow missile pods behind a warship (at some cost to the ship's acceleration). It is too short-ranged to use as a weapon, however, and probably wouldn't interact with an object inside an impeller wedge anyway.
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* FantasticSlur: Genie in the young adult series is treated as one of the ugliest slurs possible.

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* FantasticSlur: Genie "Genie," for a genetically-engineered person, in ''A Beautiful Friendship''. Honor calls herself one rather casually, so by her time it's possible the young adult series is treated as one of the ugliest slurs possible.word has lost its sting (or become irrelevant given NoTranshumanismAllowed). But then, Honor may just have [[NWordPrivileges G Word Privileges]].
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** [[LordDarcy Darcy Lord's]] "Garrett Randall" psychic detective stories.
* ShowWithinAShow: There are references to the adventure series "Preston of the Spaceways" in several books, and in ''Mission of Honor'' one character is reading a book about a psychic detective named Garrett Randall by one [[LordDarcy Darcy Lord]].
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* IntrepidReporter: Subverted by [[Audrey O'Hanrahan]] who is actually a spy taking advantage of her well-earned reputation for hard-hitting journalism to [[spoiler:agitate a war between Manticore and the Solarian League]].

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* IntrepidReporter: Subverted by [[Audrey [[spoiler: Audrey O'Hanrahan]] who is actually a spy taking advantage of her well-earned reputation for hard-hitting journalism to [[spoiler:agitate a war between Manticore and the Solarian League]].

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* DeepCoverAgent: Taken to ridiculous extremes by Mesa, whose Long-Range Planning Board plants its agents by first planting their ''grandparents'' long before they're ever born.



* IntrepidReporter: Subverted by [[Audrey O'Hanrahan]] who is actually a spy taking advantage of her well-earned reputation for hard-hitting journalism to [[spoiler:agitate a war between Manticore and the Solarian League]].



** The title character herself is subjected to a sham trial ''in absentia'' at the end of her first book, where the People's Republic of Haven accused her of the murder of the crew of the unarmed merchant freighter ''Sirius''. ''Sirius'' itself had actually been a disguised military vessel in Manticore space as part of a complicated scheme to steal the system from Manticore, but to admit that would have been to admit the entire plot, and as such the Legislaturalists were forced to label its destruction a war-crime against civilians, accuse Honor of the crew's murder, then try her ''in absentia'' and sentence her to death. The entire sequence of events was viewed as little more than irritating (and sometimes hilarious) by people on both sides of the conflict, as none of the participants viewed the trial and verdict as anything other than a joke, until Honor was later captured as a prisoner of war and the new bloodthirsty regime of Haven used the verdict as a rationale for her execution.

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** The title character herself is subjected to a sham trial ''in absentia'' at the end of her first book, where the People's Republic of Haven accused convicted her in absentia of war crimes for the murder of the "civilian" crew of the unarmed "unarmed merchant freighter ''Sirius''. freighter" ''Sirius'' itself had actually been a disguised military vessel in Manticore space as to cover up the fact that ''Sirius'' was Q-ship and part of a complicated scheme to steal failed Havenite plot. No one in the system from Manticore, but to admit that would have been to admit the entire plot, and as such the Legislaturalists were forced to label its destruction a war-crime against civilians, accuse Honor of the crew's murder, then try her ''in absentia'' and sentence her to death. The entire sequence of events was viewed as little more than irritating (and sometimes hilarious) by people on both sides of the conflict, as none of the participants know viewed the trial and verdict as anything other than a joke, until Honor [[spoiler:Honor was later captured as a prisoner of war and the new bloodthirsty regime of Haven used the verdict as a rationale for her execution.execution and exemption from treaties covering the care of [=POWs=].]]
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* ''A Rising Thunder'': The Solarian League Conflict continues to grow while the Grand Alliance is formed.
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** At one point in ''Flag in Exile'', the Peep missiles being used are said to be able to accelerate to a maximum velocity of about 60,000 kps relative to the ship that launched it, at which point their drives will burn out. That's a delta-v budget of 0.2''c''. Yet at another point in this same engagement, the claim is made that if the launching ships are incoming at 0.8''c'', their missiles will have a burnout speed of 0.99''c''. Unfortunately, [[UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}} that close to the speed of light]], speeds don't add together in such a straightforward fashion. A missile going 0.8''c'' would, if it accelerated by another 0.2''c'' in its own reference frame, have a final speed of 0.862''c'', not 0.99''c''. (TimeDilation is a factor from one perspective; relativistic mass is a factor from another.) In order to accelerate from 0.8''c'' to 0.99''c'', a missile would have to accelerate to 0.913''c'' relative to the launching ship, which represents a delta-v of over '''673,000''' kps as viewed from its own reference frame.

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** At one point in ''Flag in Exile'', the Peep missiles being used are said to be able to accelerate to a maximum velocity of about 60,000 kps relative to the ship that launched it, at which point their drives will burn out. That's a delta-v budget of 0.2''c''. Yet at another point in this same engagement, the claim is made that if the launching ships are incoming at 0.8''c'', their missiles will have a burnout speed of 0.99''c''. Unfortunately, [[UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}} that close to the speed of light]], speeds don't add together in such a straightforward fashion. fashion -- two velocities v1 and v2 add together as v = (v1 + v2) / (1 + (v1 * v2 / c[[superscript:2]])). A missile going 0.8''c'' would, if it accelerated by another 0.2''c'' in its own reference frame, have a final speed of 0.862''c'', not 0.99''c''. (TimeDilation is a factor from one perspective; relativistic mass is a factor from another.) In order to accelerate from 0.8''c'' to 0.99''c'', a missile would have to accelerate to 0.913''c'' relative to the launching ship, which represents a delta-v of over '''673,000''' kps as viewed from its own reference frame.

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