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**** That was WordOfGod. She doesn't get computers unless it's printed out.
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**** That was WordOfGod. She doesn't get computers unless it's "Electronic information doesn’t count until it’s printed out.)" - Our World, The Archive's Writeup
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**** That was WordOfGod. She doesn't get computers unless it's printed out.
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** It's also worth noting that the curse goes upwards, so you wont get Harry or Lara. You'd get Thomas, you'd get the White King, and you'd get Ebenezzer. Probably not worth violating the Unseelie accords over.
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** Thomas is under the protection of the White Court. Taking Thomas is a direct provocation to the White Court in general and Lara in particular. Attacking Thomas like that is going to provoke a war with the Whites, and at the end of ''Changes'', Lara is implied to ''be in control of the US military'' - or at least having enough control to arrange for a few dozen cruise missiles to find their way to Chicen Itza. [[UnderStatement I don't think the Reds want that.]]
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** Thomas is under the protection of the White Court. Taking Thomas is a direct provocation to the White Court in general and Lara in particular. Attacking Thomas like that is going to provoke a war with the Whites, and at the end of ''Changes'', Lara is implied to ''be in control of the US military'' - or at least having enough control to arrange for a few dozen cruise missiles to find their way to Chicen Itza. [[UnderStatement I don't think the Reds want that.]]]] There's a reason why the Whites have been able to keep the Reds out of Northern Europe - not to mention openly attacking the White Court will likely be a breach of the Unseelie Accords, and any allies the Whites have (like, say, mortal militaries in countries they have dominant interests in) and supernatural allies will be all over the Reds.
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** Thomas is under the protection of the White Court. Taking Thomas is a direct provocation to the White Court in general and Lara in particular. Attacking Thomas like that is going to provoke a war with the Whites, and at the end of ''Changes'', Lara is implied to ''be in control of the US military'' - or at least having enough control to arrange for a few dozen cruise missiles to find their way to Chicen Itza. [[UnderStatement I don't think the Reds want that.]]
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* Why didn't the Red Court use Thomas for the blood sacrifice? I mean its not like Thomas is [[JamesBondage that hard to kidnap]], seeing as he's been held hostage two or three times before. If you kill off Maggie, you wipe out Harry, Ebenezar, Susan, and all their family. Bob said that Thomas probably wouldn't die because of the Hunger, but might get sent into a coma. But if you kill off Thomas, you not only kill of Harry (his half-brother) and Ebenezar ([[spoiler: his grandfather]]), but at best you get to kill off the entire White Court, the very force that has prevented the Red Court from moving into much of Europe and North America, or at worst wipe out the entire house Raith and seriously destabilize the White Court, letting Skavis and Malvora pick up the pieces. You get more for less.
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*** The event of "saving him from Winter" in question was in ''Summer Knight''. Whenever Winter and Summer decide to slug it out, all of the Wyldfae (neutral or unaligned FairFolk) are called to one side or the other. However, most of them don't ''want'' to be drawn into the conflict, hence why Toot and the other Little Folk were forming an army in case Winter came calling. They were grateful to Harry for stopping the war from escalating before they got called in.
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*** Margaret's note only says that something tried to grab her. Harry adds, to himself, "Maybe it was a grue."
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** Cassius may actually be forced to not call emergency services. Remember, he's a Denarian, his biology is weird, he's likely a wanted man, he's an enemy of Marcone and the Church, ''and'' he's a wizard. Going to a mortal hospital may very well be a Bad Thing for him.
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*** No, that was very clearly Harry saying that. Margaret was killed at Harry's birth, and he's in his early twenties at the earliest as of the start of Storm Front. That means Harry was born in the late Seventies. There's no way she would have known about the reference.
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*** Go back and reread that passage. His mother had left a note for herself, complaining she almost got eaten by a grue and to be more careful. It's either her own snarkiness and pop-culture references (I think the timing is right), or there is an actual monster called a grue, and one almost ate her.
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** Bloodline curses apparently only work upwards. If you used a bloodline curse on the King of the Red Court, for instance, you wouldn't take out the entire Red Court, only the vampire which created the King.
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** Bloodline curses apparently only work upwards. If you used a bloodline curse on the King of the Red Court, for instance, you wouldn't take out the entire Red Court, only the vampire which created the King.King (who may have been the first RCV).
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* I never really got the whole part where Harry breaks Cassius' legs then threw the quarter to him to call for help, only to have it pointed out that phone calls cost 50 cents. But I live in a place where public phone calls to emergency services are free. Were they expecting him to call non-medical services, or do emergency calls in Chicago actually cost money?
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** Bloodline curses apparently only work upwards. If you used a bloodline curse on the King of the Red Court, for instance, you wouldn't take out the entire Red Court, only the vampire which created the King.
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** Bloodline curses apparently only work upwards. If you used a bloodline curse on the King of the Red Court, for instance, you wouldn't take out the entire Red Court, only the vampire which created the King. King.
*** Also, yes, I think the vampire blood superceded the mortal relation.
*** Also, yes, I think the vampire blood superceded the mortal relation.
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Mc Coy was her father, ot brther.
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* Here's one that's been bugging me since I finished ''Changes'': So we have this bloodline curse that kills off anyone related to the sacrifice. [[spoiler:That's why they chose Maggie - her blood runs from her father Harry, to his mother Margaret, to her brother Ebenezer, who was the intended target. But then Harry sacrifices the newly-turned Susan in order to wipe out the Red Court. Shouldn't Maggie have been affected as well, seeing as Susan is her mother? Did I miss a part of the book that explained this? Did becoming a Red Court suddenly nullify Susan's bloodline with Maggie?]]
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* Here's one that's been bugging me since I finished ''Changes'': So we have this bloodline curse that kills off anyone related to the sacrifice. [[spoiler:That's why they chose Maggie - her blood runs from her father Harry, to his mother Margaret, to her brother father Ebenezer, who was the intended target. But then Harry sacrifices the newly-turned Susan in order to wipe out the Red Court. Shouldn't Maggie have been affected as well, seeing as Susan is her mother? Did I miss a part of the book that explained this? Did becoming a Red Court suddenly nullify Susan's bloodline with Maggie?]]
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* Here's one that's been bugging me since I finished ''Changes'': So we have this bloodline curse that kills off anyone related to the sacrifice. [[spoiler:That's why they chose Maggie - her blood runs from her father Harry, to his mother Margaret, to her brother Ebenezer, who was the intended target. But then Harry sacrifices the newly-turned Susan in order to wipe out the Red Court. Shouldn't Maggie have been affected as well, seeing as Susan is her mother? Did I miss a part of the book that explained this? Did becoming a Red Court suddenly nullify Susan's bloodline with Maggie?]]
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** Not only that, but Nicodemus says something to the effect of how dare some mortal use ''their'' power (presumably meaning angels, fallen or otherwise) when he sees Harry using soulfire. It's pretty apparent that soulfire and hellfire are different aspects of the same thing (or, alternately, that soulfire is untainted-by-hell hellfire, for however much difference that makes for you.) It seems likely Lash masked the consequences of using hellfire from Harry while she was in residence, or paid for it herself; after all, she was intended as an expendable 'fix' to get Harry hooked on demonic power.
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** Not only that, but Nicodemus Thorned Namshiel says something to the effect of how dare some mortal use ''their'' power (presumably meaning angels, fallen or otherwise) when he sees Harry using soulfire. It's pretty apparent that soulfire and hellfire are different aspects of the same thing (or, alternately, that soulfire is untainted-by-hell hellfire, for however much difference that makes for you.) It seems likely Lash masked the consequences of using hellfire from Harry while she was in residence, or paid for it herself; after all, she was intended as an expendable 'fix' to get Harry hooked on demonic power.
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** Not only that, but Nicodemus says something to the effect of how dare some mortal use ''their'' power (presumably meaning angels, fallen or otherwise) when he sees Harry using soulfire. It's pretty apparent that soulfire and hellfire are different aspects of the same thing (or, alternately, that soulfire is untainted-by-hell hellfire, for however much difference that makes for you.) It seems likely Lash masked the consequences of using hellfire from Harry while she was in residence, or paid for it herself; after all, she was intended as an expendable 'fix' to get Harry hooked on demonic power.
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Don't be an asshole. If someone's factually incorrect, correct the statement or remove it.
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**** I think you mean front row. If he sits in the back wont he fry said projector which is also in the back? Besides, it's shown that he can be around electronics, just not for prolonged periods. The longer he's around them, the more likely they are to break.
***** He/she did mean back row, and was right. You fail at English.
***** He/she did mean back row, and was right. You fail at English.
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***** He/she did mean back row, and was right. You fail at English.
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*** Yes, and as noted, this is acknowledged in the setting. Humans are derisively mocked by the various supenraturals because they refuse to acknowledge the supernatural is there, preferring to find "rational" explanations. People who come up with supernatural explanations are branded quacks or insane; people who claim to have witnessed magic in action or seen monsters ''are'' labeled as insane. The entire reason Special Invesigations exists is to cover up what's really going on, not because of some conspiracy, but because their superiors abjectly refuse to accept any supernatural explanation ''because that doesn't exist'', and all evidence to the contrary is false. Of course, there's some evidence that there may actually be a concerted effort by some of the supernaturals to push this point, particularly on the White Court's part, as they have nothing but benefits from a humanity that refuses to believe in the supernatural, and we know they've got fingers in various government agencies....
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*** Yes, and as noted, this is acknowledged in the setting. Humans are derisively mocked by the various supenraturals supernaturals because they refuse to acknowledge the supernatural is there, preferring to find "rational" explanations. People who come up with supernatural explanations are branded quacks or insane; people who claim to have witnessed magic in action or seen monsters ''are'' labeled as insane. The entire reason Special Invesigations exists is to cover up what's really going on, not because of some conspiracy, but because their superiors abjectly refuse to accept any supernatural explanation ''because that doesn't exist'', and all evidence to the contrary is false. Of course, there's some evidence that there may actually be a concerted effort by some of the supernaturals to push this point, particularly on the White Court's part, as they have nothing but benefits from a humanity that refuses to believe in the supernatural, and we know they've got fingers in various government agencies....agencies (and as of ''Changes'', Lara Raith has gotten high enough up in the government that she can move US Navy helicopters around into foreign countries....) There is ''some'' sort of government coverup going on at some level, as evidenced by the disappearance of the loup-garou videotapes. We know the Black Council has infiltrated the FBI, Nicodemus is active across the globe and likely is behind a lot of it as well (and is an expert at covering his tracks and destroying evidence), and the Red Court pretty much controls South and Central America and Mexico and has major controlling interests in Africa and Europe. So, we ''know'' the supernaturals are able to quash investigation at the higher levels, or at least ru interference long enough to destroy evidence.
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*** Yes, and as noted, this is acknowledged in the setting. Humans are derisively mocked by the various supenraturals because they refuse to acknowledge the supernatural is there, preferring to find "rational" explanations. People who come up with supernatural explanations are branded quacks or insane; people who claim to have witnessed magic in action or seen monsters ''are'' labeled as insane. The entire reason Special Invesigations exists is to cover up what's really going on, not because of some conspiracy, but because their superiors abjectly refuse to accept any supernatural explanation ''because that doesn't exist'', and all evidence to the contrary is false. Of course, there's some evidence that there may actually be a concerted effort by some of the supernaturals to push this point, particularly on the White Court's part, as they have nothing but benefits from a humanity that refuses to believe in the supernatural, and we know they've got fingers in various government agencies....
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**Well, um.....''wow''. Really. ''Wow''. ExtraStrengthMasquerade is an understatement.
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**Well, um.....''wow''. Really. ''Wow''. ExtraStrengthMasquerade is an understatement.
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**Well, um.....''wow''. Really. ''Wow''. ExtraStrengthMasquerade is an understatement.
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*** In a word, ''yes''. Because to sane, rational humanity, ''werewolves don't exist.'' This is a setting where people abjectly (and rather thick-headedly) [[ExtraStrengthMasquerade refuse to accept the supernatural exists]]. Trust me, the loup-garou attack is literally ''trivial'' compared to the degree by which people are willing to refuse to accept the supernatural later on. Spoilers: In ''Grave Peril'', several vampire corpses are recovered from Bianca's ball, and they are actually subjected to a complete autopsy by a certified medical examiner who conclusively asserts that they are not human, and he is immediately blacklisted by his superiors and thrown in a psychiatric ward, because ''vampires don't exist'' and his conclusions prove he's possibly insane. In ''Dead Beat'', Harry rides a zombie T-Rex through downtown, and even smashes several buildings and stomps through a National Guard checkpoint, and no one takes it seriously. In that same book, Harry speaks to the aforementioned medical examiner after he's attacked by zombies, including the corpse of one of his coworkers, and ''still'' has to work to convince him of what's really going on. In ''Changes'', a major historical landmark is the site of a massive battle leaving hundreds of corpses scattered about, and while it causes a stir, no one even considers it to be due to the supernatural. To the majority of mankind, ''the supernatural doesn't exist''. It was a big, nasty animal, coupled with a terrorist attack. It was a localized earthquake. It was faulty work by a deranged medical examiner. It was something ''other'' than vampires, werewolves, zombie dinosaurs, or warring wizards.
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*** In a word, ''yes''. Because to sane, rational humanity, ''werewolves don't exist.'' This is a setting where people abjectly (and rather thick-headedly) [[ExtraStrengthMasquerade refuse to accept the supernatural exists]]. Trust me, the loup-garou attack is literally ''trivial'' compared to the degree by which people are willing to refuse to accept the supernatural later on. Spoilers: In ''Grave Peril'', several vampire corpses are recovered from Bianca's ball, and they are actually subjected to a complete autopsy by a certified medical examiner who conclusively asserts that they are not human, and he is immediately blacklisted by his superiors and thrown in a psychiatric ward, because ''vampires don't exist'' and his conclusions prove he's possibly insane. In ''Dead Beat'', Harry rides a zombie T-Rex through downtown, and even smashes several buildings and stomps through a National Guard checkpoint, and no one takes it seriously. In that same book, Harry speaks to the aforementioned medical examiner after he's attacked by zombies, including the corpse of one of his coworkers, and ''still'' has to work to convince him of what's really going on. In ''Changes'', a major historical landmark is the site of a massive battle leaving hundreds of corpses scattered about, and while it causes a stir, no one even considers it to be due to the supernatural. To the majority of mankind, ''the supernatural doesn't exist''. It was a big, nasty animal, coupled with a terrorist attack. It was a localized earthquake. It was faulty work by a deranged medical examiner. It was something ''other'' than vampires, werewolves, zombie dinosaurs, or warring wizards. And the series regularly acknowledges this, and Harry himself is exasperated by how bone-headedly ''stupid'' the {{Muggles}} are in his world, and angrily comments on how the "rational" explanations do make less sense than supernatural ones.
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*** In a word, ''yes''. Because to sane, rational humanity, ''werewolves don't exist.'' This is a setting where people abjectly (and rather thick-headedly) [[ExtraStrengthMasquerade refuse to accept the supernatural exists]]. Trust me, the loup-garou attack is literally ''trivial'' compared to the degree by which people are willing to refuse to accept the supernatural later on. Spoilers: In ''Grave Peril'', several vampire corpses are recovered from Bianca's ball, and they are actually subjected to a complete autopsy by a certified medical examiner who conclusively asserts that they are not human, and he is immediately blacklisted by his superiors and thrown in a psychiatric ward, because ''vampires don't exist'' and his conclusions prove he's possibly insane. In ''Dead Beat'', Harry rides a zombie T-Rex through downtown, and even smashes several buildings and stomps through a National Guard checkpoint, and no one takes it seriously. In that same book, Harry speaks to the aforementioned medical examiner after he's attacked by zombies, including the corpse of one of his coworkers, and ''still'' has to work to convince him of what's really going on. In ''Changes'', a major historical landmark is the site of a massive battle leaving hundreds of corpses scattered about, and while it causes a stir, no one even considers it to be due to the supernatural. To the majority of mankind, ''the supernatural doesn't exist''. It was a big, nasty animal, coupled with a terrorist attack. It was a localized earthquake. It was faulty work by a deranged medical examiner. It was something ''other'' than vampires, werewolves, zombie dinosaurs, or warring wizards.
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**Did the families of those who had their loved ones ripped to shreds really accept that an ordinary animal somehow wandered into the police station and started ripping people limb from limb? Did all the officers really just accept that the government just covered it all up with convenient excuses? I mean, I understand that the higher ups would try to handwave all this away with 'realistic explanations', but I just find it hard to believe that people directly connected to what happened there didn't make more noise in trying to reveal the truth about what happened. In the 30 or more people that saw the Loup-garou, in all the family members who had their relative torn apart in a way that no local animal possible could do it, no one went on the air about this, telling personal stories on the news and stuff like that?
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**Did the families of those who had their loved ones ripped to shreds really accept that an ordinary animal somehow wandered into the police station and started ripping people limb from limb? Did all the officers really just accept that the government just covered it all up with convenient excuses? I mean, I understand that the higher ups would try to handwave all this away with 'realistic explanations', but I just find it hard to believe that people directly connected to what happened there didn't make more noise in trying to reveal the truth about what happened. In the 30 or more people that saw the Loup-garou, in all the family members who had their relative torn apart in a way that no local animal possible could do it, no one went on the air about this, telling personal stories on the news and stuff like that?that? No one displayed their loved ones body to public media that proved that there was no way an ordinary animal could do all that? What about the families of the prisoners? They were slaughtered in the custody of the police before they got a chance at their trial. Did people related to them just accept that an animal somehow got through metal bars and tore them up?
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