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** I think the original poster is confused as to who Adria was. Adria was an Ori who had retaken human form so she could lead the army. She wasn't one of the people being lied to, she was one of the peolpe doing the lying. She knew perfectly well that the Ori didn't ascend their followers, so asking her any question like that would not have made her change her mind about the Ori in any way, shape, or form. Heck, she even ascends all by herself at the end of season 10 so she at least doesn't need help from the Ori to ascend.

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** I think the original poster is confused as to who Adria was. Adria was an Ori who had retaken human form so she could lead the army. She wasn't one of the people being lied to, she was one of the peolpe doing the lying. She knew perfectly well didin't just know that the Ori didn't ascend their followers, so asking she was a member of the group that decided not to ascend them. Asking her any question like that would could not have made her change her mind about the Ori in any way, shape, or form. Heck, she even ascends all by herself at the end of season 10 so she at least doesn't need help from the Ori to ascend.
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** I think the original poster is confused as to who Adria was. Adria WAS an Ori who had retaken human form so she could lead the army. She was one of the people who was lying to the worshipers for her own benefit. She knew perfectly well that the Ori didn't ascend their followers so asking her any question like that would not have made her change her mind about the Ori in any way, shape, or form. Heck she even ascends all by herself at the end of season 10 so she at least doesn't need help from the Ori to ascend.

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** I think the original poster is confused as to who Adria was. Adria WAS was an Ori who had retaken human form so she could lead the army. She was wasn't one of the people who being lied to, she was lying to one of the worshipers for her own benefit. peolpe doing the lying. She knew perfectly well that the Ori didn't ascend their followers followers, so asking her any question like that would not have made her change her mind about the Ori in any way, shape, or form. Heck Heck, she even ascends all by herself at the end of season 10 so she at least doesn't need help from the Ori to ascend.
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* In Continuum, it bugs me that Daniel and the others continued with their insistence that they must PutRightWhatOnceWentWrong instead of go back to their own timeline. They ''explicitly'' have ''no idea'' how time travel works, so it's just as likely that they'll be sent back to something close enough to their own world that they won't notice if there are any differences. Trying to convince the guy to let them change everything back to what they're used to would be much harder than trying to convince him to let them go home.

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* In Continuum, it bugs me that Daniel and the others continued with their insistence that they must PutRightWhatOnceWentWrong SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong instead of go back to their own timeline. They ''explicitly'' have ''no idea'' how time travel works, so it's just as likely that they'll be sent back to something close enough to their own world that they won't notice if there are any differences. Trying to convince the guy to let them change everything back to what they're used to would be much harder than trying to convince him to let them go home.

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...Or at least it was, before he got punked out and killed by PunyEarthlings. Sucks to be him I guess.
** ...that was beautiful. I mean seriously, that's an incredibly detailed and logical analysis. Props to you.

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...Or at least it was, before he got punked out and killed by PunyEarthlings. Sucks to be him I guess.
** ...that was beautiful. I mean seriously, that's an incredibly detailed and logical analysis. Props to you.



** So am I the only one who remembers Ra had a son who was knocking around in the early seasons and had presumably taken control of Ra's resources. The SG-C didn't really interact with him much (in fact I don't think anyone from SG-1 ever even spoke to him), but he is a thing and a reasonable explanation for what happened to the Ra army. Though Sokar coming right the fuck out of nowhere for the Go'ald with a tonne of resources might have something to do with Ra being destroyed and absorbing whatever his son couldn't get.

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** So am I the only one who remembers Ra had a son who was knocking around in the early seasons and had presumably taken control of Ra's resources. resources,did the show ever mention what happened to him. The SG-C didn't really interact with him much (in fact I don't think anyone from SG-1 ever even spoke to him), much, but he is a thing and a reasonable explanation for what happened to the Ra army. Though Sokar coming right the fuck out of nowhere for the Go'ald Goa'uld with a tonne of resources might have something to do with Ra being destroyed and absorbing whatever his son couldn't get.
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**So it's not all that different from Sokar passing himself off as Satan. Though granted they still went with the Egyptian name for him instead of literally calling him Satan or Lucifer.

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** If you want to see a less militarized version of the show then Atlantis has you covered. Most of the supporting cast in that are scientists and diplomats who are portrayed far more positively than in SG-1.




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** So am I the only one who remembers Ra had a son who was knocking around in the early seasons and had presumably taken control of Ra's resources. The SG-C didn't really interact with him much (in fact I don't think anyone from SG-1 ever even spoke to him), but he is a thing and a reasonable explanation for what happened to the Ra army. Though Sokar coming right the fuck out of nowhere for the Go'ald with a tonne of resources might have something to do with Ra being destroyed and absorbing whatever his son couldn't get.
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** This has been pointed out in several instances by O'Neill, Jackson, and as pointed out, Shepard, from ''Atlantis''. This troper suspects that this is the point that the writers were trying to establish, that the Ancients, for all of their technology, were as flawed anyone else, and that technological superiority is no guarantee of moral superiority or even cleverness. The Ancients, introduced as god-like in capacity, are eventually revealed to be as foolish as mortals, and no one is immune to hubris.

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** This has been pointed out in several instances by O'Neill, Jackson, and as pointed out, Shepard, from ''Atlantis''. This troper suspects that this is the point that the writers were trying to establish, that the Ancients, for all of their technology, were as flawed anyone else, and that technological superiority is no guarantee of moral superiority or even cleverness. The Ancients, introduced as god-like in capacity, are eventually revealed to be as foolish as mortals, and no one is immune to hubris.



** Judging by Daniel's leg, when they stopped Ba'al from succeeding (even though he and they had already gone back in time), it undid everything that happened since he was executed in the present. [[CloningBlues Supposedly executed]]. Which makes ''no sense'' based on how they treated time travel in previous episodes, and even earlier in the movie. This troper's opinion? Psychic hallucination. Makes more sense than anything else would.

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** Judging by Daniel's leg, when they stopped Ba'al from succeeding (even though he and they had already gone back in time), it undid everything that happened since he was executed in the present. [[CloningBlues Supposedly executed]]. Which makes ''no sense'' based on how they treated time travel in previous episodes, and even earlier in the movie. This troper's opinion? Psychic Possibly psychic hallucination. Makes more sense than anything else would.



** In the military, rank is less important than role. For example, medical staff usually rank pretty high, but they will never lead a squad into battle. Here, Carter got her ranks primarily as part of an engineering career. In Next-Gen Star Trek, she'd be wearing a gold uniform. It's pretty reasonable that she wouldn't be put in charge and it's kinda silly that she seems hurt by that. TV usually portraits military ranks poorly. A rank is normally associated with a position. Promotions based on merit (almost) never occur. You get promoted when you get a higher ranking job. As such, Carter would in this troper's opinion never have been promoted to (Lieutenant) Colonel.

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** In the military, rank is less important than role. For example, medical staff usually rank pretty high, but they will never lead a squad into battle. Here, Carter got her ranks primarily as part of an engineering career. In Next-Gen Star Trek, she'd be wearing a gold uniform. It's pretty reasonable that she wouldn't be put in charge and it's kinda silly that she seems hurt by that. TV usually portraits military ranks poorly. A rank is normally associated with a position. Promotions based on merit (almost) never occur. You get promoted when you get a higher ranking job. As such, Carter would in this troper's opinion never have been promoted to (Lieutenant) Colonel.



** This troper thinks it'd be pretty sweet to go through high school again with the wisdom and confidence of an adult intact.

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** This troper thinks it'd It might be pretty sweet to go through high school again with the wisdom and confidence of an adult intact.



** This troper can understand numbering unnamed planets or planets whose names are unknown. But for the rest, I don't see how a number system makes any more sense than, say, listing the planets in alphabetical order.

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** This troper can understand numbering ** Numbering unnamed planets or planets whose names are unknown. But unknown might make sense, but for the rest, I don't see how rest a number system makes any no more sense than, say, listing the planets in alphabetical order.



** This troper noticed early on in the series (1998/99 or so) that some Windows .ini files included codes which were similar to the planet codes in SG-1 (i.e., in the format [=X0Y=]-123). Yes, I am a {{nerd}}, [[SarcasmMode what tipped you off]]?

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** This troper noticed early Early on in the series (1998/99 or so) that some Windows .ini files included codes which were similar to the planet codes in SG-1 (i.e., in the format [=X0Y=]-123). Yes, I am a {{nerd}}, [[SarcasmMode what tipped you off]]?



** Viking ''history'' is full of slavery, piracy, and war, yes. But we're talking about mythology here, and there's little evidence that the Norse gods themselves encouraged such behavior. Besides, the precise distinction Daniel drew was between "tyrant" gods and "knowledge giver" gods. Daniel's point was the Egyptian gods were tyrants, but the Norse gods generally were not (though as I said, he was using a rather liberal interpretation). Also, it seemed to this troper that he was merely suggesting that the SGC investigate the possibility. Drawing up a proposal, as it were. Obviously he couldn't know ''for sure'' that other "gods" were aliens who were hostile to the Goa'uld and friendly to humans, but the SGC didn't have anything to lose by at least trying to find out.

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** Viking ''history'' is full of slavery, piracy, and war, yes. But we're talking about mythology here, and there's little evidence that the Norse gods themselves encouraged such behavior. Besides, the precise distinction Daniel drew was between "tyrant" gods and "knowledge giver" gods. Daniel's point was the Egyptian gods were tyrants, but the Norse gods generally were not (though as I said, he was using a rather liberal interpretation). Also, it seemed to this troper that he was merely suggesting that the SGC investigate the possibility. Drawing up a proposal, as it were. Obviously he couldn't know ''for sure'' that other "gods" were aliens who were hostile to the Goa'uld and friendly to humans, but the SGC didn't have anything to lose by at least trying to find out.



** Technological advancement is dependent on countless factors. Trade is only one of them and, in this troper's opinion, it's not nearly as important as you seem to think. For one thing, trade can only lead to technological advancement ''if you have technologically advanced trading partners''. Consider the Native Americans. The Native American tribes certainly traded with each other quite often, to the point where one or two Iroquois artifacts have been found as far away as the Great Plains. Yet for the most part they never progressed beyond stone-age technology. It wasn't until the Europeans arrived that the Native Americans got past longhouses and bows and arrows. Point is, if the Athosians don't have any technologically advanced trading partners ''then they can't bloody well trade for advanced technology, now can they?''

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** Technological advancement is dependent on countless factors. Trade is only one of them and, in this troper's opinion, it's not nearly as important as you seem to think. For one thing, trade can only lead to technological advancement ''if you have technologically advanced trading partners''. Consider the Native Americans. The Native American tribes certainly traded with each other quite often, to the point where one or two Iroquois artifacts have been found as far away as the Great Plains. Yet for the most part they never progressed beyond stone-age technology. It wasn't until the Europeans arrived that the Native Americans got past longhouses and bows and arrows. Point is, if the Athosians don't have any technologically advanced trading partners ''then they can't bloody well trade for advanced technology, now can they?''
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* So between the original Stargate mission, which happened in 1990 (or thereabouts) and then the Stargate Program restarting suddenly when Apophis came in in 1997... why wasn't the Program active between then? The military had plans for pretty much every conceivable invasion or disaster; including zombie outbreaks and alien invasions. The top brass just got confirmation that not only do aliens exist, but humans were kidnapped to be slaves elsewhere. Sure O'Neill lied and said the place got nuked, but the fact that all that happened wouldn't shut down the gate program but incentivize the military to at least prepare or make sure there would be better security than a handful of redshirts. What possible reason could they have had to not continue the program since the first mission?

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* So between the original Stargate mission, which happened in 1990 (or thereabouts) and then the Stargate Program restarting suddenly when Apophis came in in 1997... why wasn't the Program active between then? The military had plans for pretty much every conceivable invasion or disaster; including zombie outbreaks and alien invasions. The top brass just got confirmation that not only do aliens exist, but humans were kidnapped to be slaves elsewhere. Sure O'Neill lied and said the place got nuked, but the fact that all that happened wouldn't shut down the gate program but incentivize the military to at least prepare or make sure there would be better security than a handful of redshirts. What possible reason could they have had to not continue the program since the first mission?mission?
** It is mentioned in Season 1 that they tried dialling up some random addresses, but none of them connected. With Abydoss theoretically nuked, no random addresses responding, and a background policy of not wanting to put Eearth out there and at risk to unknown invaders, the military simply mothballed the project.
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* Exactly when and how did Tok'ra-Tau'ri relations resume? The alliance dissolved due to the Tau'ri's recklessness and the Tok'ra's zero population growth. But after the death of Selmak/Jacob Carter, it seems that everything's been forgiven and forgotten.

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* Exactly when and how did Tok'ra-Tau'ri relations resume? The alliance dissolved due to the Tau'ri's recklessness and the Tok'ra's zero population growth. But after the death of Selmak/Jacob Carter, it seems that everything's been forgiven and forgotten.forgotten.
*So between the original Stargate mission, which happened in 1990 (or thereabouts) and then the Stargate Program restarting suddenly when Apophis came in in 1997... why wasn't the Program active between then? The military had plans for pretty much every conceivable invasion or disaster; including zombie outbreaks and alien invasions. The top brass just got confirmation that not only do aliens exist, but humans were kidnapped to be slaves elsewhere. Sure O'Neill lied and said the place got nuked, but the fact that all that happened wouldn't shut down the gate program but incentivize the military to at least prepare or make sure there would be better security than a handful of redshirts. What possible reason could they have had to not continue the program since the first mission?
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** That is an interesting question, but perhaps we should go into on the TeleportersAndTransporters page?

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** That is an interesting question, but perhaps we should go into on the TeleportersAndTransporters DestructiveTeleportation page?
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** The "kawoosh" is referred to as an "unstable vortex" in the series. Its appearance suggests strong turbulence similar to high-pressure CO2 being released underwater, and it is "made" of the same "material" as the event-horizon. If we think of the unstable vortex as being a short-lived region of turbulent space-time that forms before the full connection is established, then there is ample justification for speculating that any matter caught in the vortex is violently de-materialized (like a regular gate traveler) but in a totally incoherent way. Further, because the wormhole connection was never fully established, the energy is dissipated into subspace, like opening a gate to everywhere.

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** The "kawoosh" is referred to as an "unstable vortex" in the series. Its appearance suggests strong turbulence similar to high-pressure CO2 [=CO2=] being released underwater, and it is "made" of the same "material" as the event-horizon. If we think of the unstable vortex as being a short-lived region of turbulent space-time that forms before the full connection is established, then there is ample justification for speculating that any matter caught in the vortex is violently de-materialized (like a regular gate traveler) but in a totally incoherent way. Further, because the wormhole connection was never fully established, the energy is dissipated into subspace, like opening a gate to everywhere.
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*** They're also super arrogant bastards who sincerely believe that nobody will ever attempt to lay a hand on their God. The idea that they'd ''need'' to resort to hand to hand fighting is simply beneath them.

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*** They're also super arrogant super-arrogant bastards who sincerely believe that nobody will ever attempt to lay a hand on their God. The idea that they'd ''need'' to resort to hand to hand hand-to-hand fighting is simply beneath them.



** There are already Sufficiently Advanced Decon Chambers that act as big rooms with metal walls -- the Asgardian Thor's Hammer and Human Gate Room, for example. The problem is that we're talking a setting where people routinely make planet-busting bombs, and the gate itself is a very, very big bomb ready to go off if anything too big goes boom near it. You can block all incoming calls completely, or limit it to a very small number of gates, but if you're letting anything unknown through in the first place there's too much opportunity for damage. The Tauri don't set it to always-off mode because the gate system is also their only (in earlier seasons) or primary method of communication and travel; there's no telling when a Stargate team might need to dial in after gating or being moved to a different planet than they were assigned to, and the only way to check whether an incoming call is good or bad is to turn off call-blocking.

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** There are already Sufficiently Advanced Decon Chambers that act as big rooms with metal walls -- the Asgardian Thor's Hammer and Human Gate Room, for example. The problem is that we're talking a setting where people routinely make planet-busting bombs, and the gate itself is a very, very big bomb ready to go off if anything too big goes boom near it. You can block all incoming calls completely, or limit it to a very small number of gates, but if you're letting anything unknown through in the first place there's too much opportunity for damage. The Tauri Tau'ri don't set it to always-off mode because the gate system is also their only (in earlier seasons) or primary method of communication and travel; there's no telling when a Stargate team might need to dial in after gating or being moved to a different planet than they were assigned to, and the only way to check whether an incoming call is good or bad is to turn off call-blocking.



* For a bit of fridge logic that literally came to me when I was looking in the fridge: So, if I got this right, the Antarctic gate was put there after the one in Egypt was lost. (I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've seen that episode.) In the future-wasn't-past (time travel doesn't just make verb tenses confusing) in ''Moebius'', Ra takes the Egpyt gate with him, and the people who got the message have to get the Antarctic one. WHY was it there? I don't think it would have been necessary.

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* For a bit of fridge logic that literally came to me when I was looking in the fridge: So, if I got this right, the Antarctic gate was put there after the one in Egypt was lost. (I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've seen that episode.) In the future-wasn't-past (time travel doesn't just make verb tenses confusing) in ''Moebius'', Ra takes the Egpyt Egypt gate with him, and the people who got the message have to get the Antarctic one. WHY was it there? I don't think it would have been necessary.



* As I understand it the SG and Atlantis recon teams are designed thus: there is a commander (O'Neill, Mitchell, Shepperd) a scientist (Carter,Mckay) to operate any alien technology they may come across, occasionally a linguist (Jackson) to better communicate with alien races and one or more fire support officers (Teal'c, Ronan) who exist to fight and protect the team from aggressors - fine, all perfectly reasonable and logical additions... so why aren't these teams equipped with a permanent medic? I could list at least two dozen occasions in which SG-1 or AT-1 having a fully equipped field medic on board would have not only saved scores of Tauri personnel, but that of the Tok'ra, free Jaffa and countless native civilizations that have been injured throughout the course of he show. As things stand, currently their only recourse in the event of injury is to either waste time limping back to the Stargate/waiting for beam out if it's in orbit (and only then if it's beyond series 5) or interrupting whatever Beckett or Fraiser are doing. There is literally no reason why these otherwise perfectly practical and realistic military teams are missing someone in charge of tending to their battle injuries. Ironically, despite the questionable military tactics of Starfleet Away Teams, this is one of the only things they get right by constantly beaming down McCoy.

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* As I understand it the SG and Atlantis recon teams are designed thus: there is a commander (O'Neill, Mitchell, Shepperd) a scientist (Carter,Mckay) to operate any alien technology they may come across, occasionally a linguist (Jackson) to better communicate with alien races and one or more fire support officers (Teal'c, Ronan) who exist to fight and protect the team from aggressors - fine, all perfectly reasonable and logical additions... so why aren't these teams equipped with a permanent medic? I could list at least two dozen occasions in which SG-1 or AT-1 having a fully equipped field medic on board would have not only saved scores of Tauri Tau'ri personnel, but that of the Tok'ra, free Jaffa and countless native civilizations that have been injured throughout the course of he show. As things stand, currently their only recourse in the event of injury is to either waste time limping back to the Stargate/waiting for beam out if it's in orbit (and only then if it's beyond series 5) or interrupting whatever Beckett or Fraiser are doing. There is literally no reason why these otherwise perfectly practical and realistic military teams are missing someone in charge of tending to their battle injuries. Ironically, despite the questionable military tactics of Starfleet Away Teams, this is one of the only things they get right by constantly beaming down McCoy.



** On a separate note, I strongly question the argument that human hosts are easier to repair than an Unas host. As I said, we see in the series that an Unas!Goa'uld is able to survive damage that would instantly kill a human!Goa'uld. The Unas!Goa'uld in "Thor's Hammer" is shot several times by O'Neill but survives, while every time a human!Goa'uld is shot with a Tauri weapon they pretty much die instantly. The Unas!Goa'uld in "Demons" takes ''several'' shots from a staff weapon before being too damaged to heal, but Cronos, Amaunet, and many other human!Goa'uld die from a single staff blast.

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** On a separate note, I strongly question the argument that human hosts are easier to repair than an Unas host. As I said, we see in the series that an Unas!Goa'uld is able to survive damage that would instantly kill a human!Goa'uld. The Unas!Goa'uld in "Thor's Hammer" is shot several times by O'Neill but survives, while every time a human!Goa'uld is shot with a Tauri Tau'ri weapon they pretty much die instantly. The Unas!Goa'uld in "Demons" takes ''several'' shots from a staff weapon before being too damaged to heal, but Cronos, Amaunet, and many other human!Goa'uld die from a single staff blast.



** The Tauri were candidates to become the Fifth Race because the Asgard judged them to have "great potential". Potential that was apparently lacking in the Tollan. As the above troper said, the Tollan are extreme isolationists, and furthermore they are dangerously naive and arrogant. In their second episode their "invincible" defenses were nearly destroyed by the Goa'uld using a fairly simple trick (mark each ion cannon and destroy them all simultaneously). I think the Asgard took one look at the Tollan and decided their days were numbered.

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** The Tauri Tau'ri were candidates to become the Fifth Race because the Asgard judged them to have "great potential". Potential that was apparently lacking in the Tollan. As the above troper said, the Tollan are extreme isolationists, and furthermore they are dangerously naive and arrogant. In their second episode their "invincible" defenses were nearly destroyed by the Goa'uld using a fairly simple trick (mark each ion cannon and destroy them all simultaneously). I think the Asgard took one look at the Tollan and decided their days were numbered.



* Exactly when and how did Tok'ra-Tauri relations resume? The alliance dissolved due to the Tauri's recklessness and the Tok'ra's zero population growth. But after the death of Selmak/Jacob Carter, it seems that everything's been forgiven and forgotten.

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* Exactly when and how did Tok'ra-Tauri Tok'ra-Tau'ri relations resume? The alliance dissolved due to the Tauri's Tau'ri's recklessness and the Tok'ra's zero population growth. But after the death of Selmak/Jacob Carter, it seems that everything's been forgiven and forgotten.
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** Goa'uld take LargeHam to a remarkable level, especially since they don't need many hosts. "Accidentally" killing a few dozen potential hosts is a feature, not a bug; they want as many of the survivors scared shitless as possible. As to the use of Intars by SG-1, they probably don't want to establish a "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset. There's too much risk of it encouraging native populations to try and kill you. It's also not clear how effective Intars are on armored opponents, meaning that carrying Intars would require a doubled weapons load-out. The x-699 suggests that the Tauri were working on more effective energy weapons, but it's not clear if such were successfully demonstrated.

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** Goa'uld take LargeHam to a remarkable level, especially since they don't need many hosts. "Accidentally" killing a few dozen potential hosts is a feature, not a bug; they want as many of the survivors scared shitless as possible. As to the use of Intars by SG-1, they probably don't want to establish a "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset. There's too much risk of it encouraging native populations to try and kill you. It's also not clear how effective Intars are on armored opponents, meaning that carrying Intars would require a doubled weapons load-out. The x-699 suggests that the Tauri Tau'ri were working on more effective energy weapons, but it's not clear if such were successfully demonstrated.

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** They couldn't. Daniel and Teal'c tried taking Sha're through the Stargate, but Heru'ur's arrival ruined that plan.



* Aside from being ancient and evil, which is pretty generic as far as villains go, in what ways does [[TheSimpsons Mr. Burns]] resemble a Gua'uld?

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* Aside from being ancient and evil, which is pretty generic as far as villains go, in what ways does [[TheSimpsons Mr. Burns]] resemble a Gua'uld?Goa'uld?
* Exactly when and how did Tok'ra-Tauri relations resume? The alliance dissolved due to the Tauri's recklessness and the Tok'ra's zero population growth. But after the death of Selmak/Jacob Carter, it seems that everything's been forgiven and forgotten.
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* Aside from being ancient and evil, which is pretty generic as far as villains go, in what ways does [[TheSimpsons Mr. Burns]] resemble a Gua'uld?
* Where is Erich von Däniken (who wrote Chariots of the Gods, which was an inspiration for the original movie) in this universe? I doubt he would've been much use to the SGC, but it would have been interesting to mention him (such as having Daniel get mad at being compared to him.) Maybe even have him be a secret agent of the U.S. government, providing misinformation to hide the truth. Also if the story is true that the NID was secretly killing off anyone who found out about the stargate (as was suggested in Citizen Joe) he might've been killed as well.

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* Aside from being ancient and evil, which is pretty generic as far as villains go, in what ways does [[TheSimpsons Mr. Burns]] resemble a Gua'uld?
* Where is Erich von Däniken (who wrote Chariots of the Gods, which was an inspiration for the original movie) in this universe? I doubt he would've been much use to the SGC, but it would have been interesting to mention him (such as having Daniel get mad at being compared to him.) Maybe even have him be a secret agent of the U.S. government, providing misinformation to hide the truth. Also if the story is true that the NID was secretly killing off anyone who found out about the stargate (as was suggested in Citizen Joe) he might've been killed as well.
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* Aside from being ancient and evil, which is pretty generic as far as villains go, in what ways does [[TheSimpsons Mr. Burns]] resemble a Gua'uld?

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* Aside from being ancient and evil, which is pretty generic as far as villains go, in what ways does [[TheSimpsons Mr. Burns]] resemble a Gua'uld?Gua'uld?
* Where is Erich von Däniken (who wrote Chariots of the Gods, which was an inspiration for the original movie) in this universe? I doubt he would've been much use to the SGC, but it would have been interesting to mention him (such as having Daniel get mad at being compared to him.) Maybe even have him be a secret agent of the U.S. government, providing misinformation to hide the truth. Also if the story is true that the NID was secretly killing off anyone who found out about the stargate (as was suggested in Citizen Joe) he might've been killed as well.
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* The time loop in "Window of Opportunity" only lasts ten hours. How did Jack get two golfing outfits? Even if we're to believe that he has his own set, it's next to impossible that Teal'c does. Did they really drive to Cheyenne just to get golf outfits? It would take half the loop to accomplish that, and I doubt they let Teal'c off the base without a more concrete plan and advance permission.

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* The time loop in "Window of Opportunity" only lasts ten hours. How did Jack get two golfing outfits? Even if we're to believe that he has his own set, it's next to impossible that Teal'c does. Did they really drive to Cheyenne just to get golf outfits? It would take half the loop to accomplish that, and I doubt they let Teal'c off the base without a more concrete plan and advance permission.permission.
* Aside from being ancient and evil, which is pretty generic as far as villains go, in what ways does [[TheSimpsons Mr. Burns]] resemble a Gua'uld?
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** The Goa'uld genetic memory may actually be a liability when it comes to tactical and strategic innovation. Stagnation and a refusal to consider new methods has bogged down many an army's development through human history, and humans live for less than a century and would only be involved in the military for a handful of decades at most. New perspectives breed innovation. A goa'uld can live for thousands of years and has the accumulated knowledge of its ancestors. That's ten thousand years of bad habits to fall into. Bra'tac explicitly mentions at one point that the greatest threat to a system lord's rule is another goa'uld. No humans or even the Asgard have been a substantial threat to them before. That makes for terrible stagnation. The goa'uld haven't had a reason to get better at fighting than they are for millenia because their only opponents are other goa'uld with the same limited technology and tactics. Superhuman strength, healing factor and genetic memory don't account for much when you don't know how to use these things to your advantage, barely know how to fight a proper war, and are armed with SchizoTech.

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** The Goa'uld genetic memory may actually be a liability when it comes to tactical and strategic innovation. Stagnation and a refusal to consider new methods has bogged down many an army's development through human history, and humans live for less than a century and would only be involved in the military for a handful of decades at most. New perspectives breed innovation. A goa'uld Goa'uld can live for thousands of years and has the accumulated knowledge of its ancestors. That's ten thousand years of bad habits to fall into. Bra'tac explicitly mentions at one point that the greatest threat to a system lord's rule is another goa'uld.Goa'uld. No humans or even the Asgard have been a substantial threat to them before. That makes for terrible stagnation. The goa'uld Goa'uld haven't had a reason to get better at fighting than they are for millenia millennia because their only opponents are other goa'uld Goa'uld with the same limited technology and tactics. Superhuman strength, healing factor and genetic memory don't account for much when you don't know how to use these things to your advantage, barely know how to fight a proper war, and are armed with SchizoTech.



** In the United States the job of space based missions falls to the Air Force, not the Navy. This is a legacy of the 1960s high altitude spy plane missions. Changing that would involve public debate, and the SGC and the showrunners are all committed to TheMasquerade. Not to mention that from the Air Force's perspective it would involve a turf war that would diminish their prestige. As for the aircraft designs, well that is what happens when you have to design and build an aircraft funded and design team drawn solely from an off the books black box slushfund instead of normal channels. You're going to get compromises.

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** In the United States the job of space based missions falls to the Air Force, not the Navy. This is a legacy of the 1960s high altitude spy plane missions. Changing that would involve public debate, and the SGC and the showrunners show-runners are all committed to TheMasquerade. Not to mention that from the Air Force's perspective it would involve a turf war that would diminish their prestige. As for the aircraft designs, well that is what happens when you have to design and build an aircraft funded and design team drawn solely from an off the books black box slushfund slush fund instead of normal channels. You're going to get compromises.



* In season 8, they made a big deal of the fact that they had a lot of trouble finding and getting to Osiris's ship, but couldn't they have just asked Sarah? Last time they showed her, she was VERY much alive, and she should have most, if not all, memories of when she was controled by Osiris. Worst case scenario, she could help find where the ship is. Best case, she could use Osiris's hand device to ring up herself.

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* In season 8, they made a big deal of the fact that they had a lot of trouble finding and getting to Osiris's ship, but couldn't they have just asked Sarah? Last time they showed her, she was VERY much alive, and she should have most, if not all, memories of when she was controled controlled by Osiris. Worst case scenario, she could help find where the ship is. Best case, she could use Osiris's hand device to ring up herself.



** Yeah, but surely, with all their technology, the Tok'ra could use cloning combined with genetic tweaking to create genetic diversity. Also, the Asgard cloning degredation happened after many iterations, because they weren't cloning from original DNA, they were cloning from clones from clones.

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** Yeah, but surely, with all their technology, the Tok'ra could use cloning combined with genetic tweaking to create genetic diversity. Also, the Asgard cloning degredation degradation happened after many iterations, because they weren't cloning from original DNA, they were cloning from clones from clones.



** For that matter, once the SGC found the original homeworld of the Goa'uld, why didn't the Tok'ra find another queen there? Sure, she wouldn't have the Tok'ra genetic memory, and it's implied the "aboriginal" Goa'uld aren't that nice, but if Egeria got in her head that purely parasitic Goa'uld weren't the way to go, surely they could teach the same values to a completely "blank-slate" snake?
** The Tok'ra may well have been able to teach their values to a blank slate, however it's unclear if the native Goa'uld were blank slates. They probably still have genetic memory, including their queens. The sarcophagus undoubtedly made the Goa'uld worse but they still decided to forcibly take other species at hosts and spread throughout the galaxy with just the genetic memory that they had on their homeworld. That was their nature and it's likely a primitive queen would retain that nature. The Tok'ra were made intentionally by an unusual Goa'uld who wanted to give them a better nature. It's unlikely that they'd be able to find another queen who would appreciate and understand what it was that Egeria passed on. They could get the Tok'ra genetic memory from their father but they'd still be influenced by the mother who'd give them characteristics and memories (albeit mostly of swimming) they didn't want. They'd be better Goa'uld but they wouldn't really be Tok'ra.

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** For that matter, once the SGC found the original homeworld home world of the Goa'uld, why didn't the Tok'ra find another queen there? Sure, she wouldn't have the Tok'ra genetic memory, and it's implied the "aboriginal" Goa'uld aren't that nice, but if Egeria got in her head that purely parasitic Goa'uld weren't the way to go, surely they could teach the same values to a completely "blank-slate" snake?
** The Tok'ra may well have been able to teach their values to a blank slate, however it's unclear if the native Goa'uld were blank slates. They probably still have genetic memory, including their queens. The sarcophagus undoubtedly made the Goa'uld worse but they still decided to forcibly take other species at hosts and spread throughout the galaxy with just the genetic memory that they had on their homeworld.home world. That was their nature and it's likely a primitive queen would retain that nature. The Tok'ra were made intentionally by an unusual Goa'uld who wanted to give them a better nature. It's unlikely that they'd be able to find another queen who would appreciate and understand what it was that Egeria passed on. They could get the Tok'ra genetic memory from their father but they'd still be influenced by the mother who'd give them characteristics and memories (albeit mostly of swimming) they didn't want. They'd be better Goa'uld but they wouldn't really be Tok'ra.



* I have just one main thing which REALLY bugs me... Why does the universe speak English?! Or rather, why does most of it? The first movie, and the pilot of the series had the alien planets speaking their own languages, a bastardization of the original language used by the transplanted slaves in each case... But apart from the odd occasion where the alien race turned out to be not *quite* human (or as different as the Unas - and not even for all of those!), it seems like the writers just forgot about this limitation. Now I get that it was done to make the ease of storytelling better IRL, but why was no explanation given in-universe? Daniel doesn't even comment how handy it is to have someone like himself who can speak something like 8 languages come along with the team...to worlds where everyone natively speaks the only language the entire team understands. My own canon has always been that the SGC found the 'translator' switch after the first few episodes and flipped it, so that the gate travel pops you out the other side with the capability to understand (and be understood by) the natives, but then this doesn't explain when they get to a new planet by ship...

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* I have just one main thing which REALLY bugs me... Why does the universe speak English?! Or rather, why does most of it? The first movie, and the pilot of the series had the alien planets speaking their own languages, a bastardization of the original language used by the transplanted slaves in each case... But apart from the odd occasion where the alien race turned out to be not *quite* human (or as different as the Unas - and not even for all of those!), it seems like the writers just forgot about this limitation. Now I get that it was done to make the ease of storytelling better IRL, but why was no explanation given in-universe? Daniel doesn't even comment how handy it is to have someone like himself who can speak something like 8 languages come along with the team...to worlds where everyone natively speaks the only language the entire team understands. My own canon has always been that the SGC found the 'translator' switch after the first few episodes and flipped it, so that the gate travel pops you out the other side with the capability to understand (and be understood by) the natives, but then this doesn't explain when they get to a new planet by ship...



* They can build intergalactic starships, but why are they running around with nothing but Kevlar vests and P90s? We know they tried to develop those plates that didn't work very well, but they have at least one suit of Kull armor to reverse-engineer by the end of season 7. They probably have acquired at least one of those Goa'uld personal shields, as well as the Ancient ones in Atlantis, and the Asgard doubtlessly have similar technology. After they got the Asgard Core in Unending, they could probably whip up some super-armour in minutes. As for weapons, they did start using zats, and we know the staff weapons kind of suck. The Kull wrist weapon seems to be pretty cool. They seem to have given up on the X-699, though. I guess projectile weapons are still effective. Maybe miniaturize a railgun?

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* They can build intergalactic starships, but why are they running around with nothing but Kevlar vests and P90s? We know they tried to develop those plates that didn't work very well, but they have at least one suit of Kull armor to reverse-engineer by the end of season 7. They probably have acquired at least one of those Goa'uld personal shields, as well as the Ancient ones in Atlantis, and the Asgard doubtlessly have similar technology. After they got the Asgard Core in Unending, they could probably whip up some super-armour super-armor in minutes. As for weapons, they did start using zats, and we know the staff weapons kind of suck. The Kull wrist weapon seems to be pretty cool. They seem to have given up on the X-699, though. I guess projectile weapons are still effective. Maybe miniaturize a railgun?



** The far more pressing question is why they never carry Hand Devices around in their backpacks for emergencies. SG-1 have captured at least one (Seth) and it's Naquadah lockout could quite easily be circumvented by Carter or Vala. Whilst the Goa'uld shielding is far weaker than the Ancient or Ori equivalent, it has been repeatedly shown to be resistent to bullets and energy weapons. There is even an instance of it holding up against the Spider Replicators (just before Apophis died) - realistically its only weakness is the lack of mobility and it's inability to block bladed weapons.
** The few hand devices and personal shields the SGC has captured are probably squirrelled away at Area 51 for study.

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** The far more pressing question is why they never carry Hand Devices around in their backpacks for emergencies. SG-1 have captured at least one (Seth) and it's Naquadah lockout could quite easily be circumvented by Carter or Vala. Whilst the Goa'uld shielding is far weaker than the Ancient or Ori equivalent, it has been repeatedly shown to be resistent resistant to bullets and energy weapons. There is even an instance of it holding up against the Spider Replicators (just before Apophis died) - realistically its only weakness is the lack of mobility and it's inability to block bladed weapons.
** The few hand devices and personal shields the SGC has captured are probably squirrelled squirreled away at Area 51 for study.



** The Asgard are also vastly superior in terms of FTL travel. In "Unnatural Selection" Thor's ship tows the ''Prometheus'' all the way from who-knows-where in deep space to the planet Earth in mere seconds, then tows them all the way to the Asgard galaxy in mere hours, all without any refuelling in between. By contrast, the Ancients had to rely on the Stargate system which required massive starships like the ''Destiny'' to spend millions of years seeding the galaxy with gates, while periodically dipping into the corona of a star to recharge the batteries.

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** The Asgard are also vastly superior in terms of FTL travel. In "Unnatural Selection" Thor's ship tows the ''Prometheus'' all the way from who-knows-where in deep space to the planet Earth in mere seconds, then tows them all the way to the Asgard galaxy in mere hours, all without any refuelling refueling in between. By contrast, the Ancients had to rely on the Stargate system which required massive starships like the ''Destiny'' to spend millions of years seeding the galaxy with gates, while periodically dipping into the corona of a star to recharge the batteries.



** A Season 3 episode of ''Atlantis'' shows the ''Daedalus'' taking a Coronal Mass Ejection directly to their shields and holding for a while. It's powered by a ZPM, and takes the hit pretty well. Assuming there's some degradation of the technology between Asgard ships, and being installed on inferior Human ships, it's not entirely unreasonable to think the Asgard ships would be very capable of performing similar manoeuvres to the ''Destiny''.
** The difference could be attributed to the different types of technology. Asgard shields eventually degrade over time regardless of the amount of power you pump into them. Ancient shields always stay at 100% until the required power runs out (so an Asgard shield has 100 power and 100 resiliency, while an Ancient shield just has 200 power and stays at 200 until the power runs out). Rush refers to it when he's trying to channel more power into ''Destiny'''s shields at one point -- the problem with the attacks the ship was taking is that they're depleting the power that ''Destiny'' is funnelling into the shields, not that the shields themselves are degrading. Based on that, if ''Destiny'' had enough power stored up (and we know that it does), it could survive in a sun for an extended period of time to recharge while an Asgard-based shield would degrade even with a ZPM installed.

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** A Season 3 episode of ''Atlantis'' shows the ''Daedalus'' taking a Coronal Mass Ejection directly to their shields and holding for a while. It's powered by a ZPM, and takes the hit pretty well. Assuming there's some degradation of the technology between Asgard ships, and being installed on inferior Human ships, it's not entirely unreasonable to think the Asgard ships would be very capable of performing similar manoeuvres maneuvers to the ''Destiny''.
** The difference could be attributed to the different types of technology. Asgard shields eventually degrade over time regardless of the amount of power you pump into them. Ancient shields always stay at 100% until the required power runs out (so an Asgard shield has 100 power and 100 resiliency, while an Ancient shield just has 200 power and stays at 200 until the power runs out). Rush refers to it when he's trying to channel more power into ''Destiny'''s shields at one point -- the problem with the attacks the ship was taking is that they're depleting the power that ''Destiny'' is funnelling funneling into the shields, not that the shields themselves are degrading. Based on that, if ''Destiny'' had enough power stored up (and we know that it does), it could survive in a sun for an extended period of time to recharge while an Asgard-based shield would degrade even with a ZPM installed.



** We have no idea at what point in time the alliance BEGAN. It may simply be that when the alliance began, the four races were equal, but the ancients advanced more quickly than the others. And while the ancients were more advanced in terms of technology, te asgard did make it possible to clone yourself into a new body for (ostensibly) all eternity.

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** We have no idea at what point in time the alliance BEGAN. It may simply be that when the alliance began, the four races were equal, but the ancients Ancients advanced more quickly than the others. And while the ancients were more advanced in terms of technology, te asgard the Asgard did make it possible to clone yourself into a new body for (ostensibly) all eternity.



** Just to be pedantic, 100 light-years would not be nearly long enough to get to another galaxy. IIRC, the Milkey Way itself is about 100,000 light-years in diameter, and the next-nearest Galaxy - Andromeda - is something like two-and-a-half million light-years away.
** Because the Ancients used Earth as the centre-point for the gate network. The extra chevron is the equivalent to an area code.

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** Just to be pedantic, 100 light-years would not be nearly long enough to get to another galaxy. IIRC, the Milkey Milky Way itself is about 100,000 light-years in diameter, and the next-nearest Galaxy - Andromeda - is something like two-and-a-half million light-years away.
** Because the Ancients used Earth as the centre-point center-point for the gate network. The extra chevron is the equivalent to an area code.



** In the original movie, the symbols ''were'' different on different planets. Of course, one doesn't have to think about the geometry very long before realizing that the whole "six points give three connecting lines that intersect at the destination" system really doesn't make sense. Change just one point (I think we've seen addresses that were only one symbol apart), and suddenly you have two intersecting lines and another that touches neither. I prefer to think that [[Main/{{Fanon}} the addresses are actually xyz coordinates with three two-digit base-38 numbers]], which makes much more sense.

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** In the original movie, the symbols ''were'' different on different planets. Of course, one doesn't have to think about the geometry very long before realizing that the whole "six points give three connecting lines that intersect at the destination" system really doesn't make sense. Change just one point (I think we've seen addresses that were only one symbol apart), and suddenly you have two intersecting lines and another that touches neither. I prefer to think that [[Main/{{Fanon}} the addresses are actually xyz XYZ coordinates with three two-digit base-38 numbers]], which makes much more sense.



* If the slowness of manual dial is a pressing issue, why didn't the SGC integrate the DHD from the Antarctic Stargate (recovered in "Touchstone") into its own dialling mechanism (by, say, concealing it and making a remotely controlled manipulator to press the buttons)? Even if a DHD can only be used with its own Stargate, they could simply replace the Giza Stargate with the Antarctic Stargate when they had both in possession, and just dial it with the DHD.

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* If the slowness of manual dial is a pressing issue, why didn't the SGC integrate the DHD from the Antarctic Stargate (recovered in "Touchstone") into its own dialling dialing mechanism (by, say, concealing it and making a remotely controlled manipulator to press the buttons)? Even if a DHD can only be used with its own Stargate, they could simply replace the Giza Stargate with the Antarctic Stargate when they had both in possession, and just dial it with the DHD.



** Yes there is: It would leave that planet without a DHD. This is just one tropers opinion, but the Ancients probably designed each DHD to only work with a specific Stargate to prevent this from happening. Of course, Stargates can be manually dialled with the help of the circus strongman or friendly neighbourhood Jaffa, so...

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** Yes there is: It would leave that planet without a DHD. This is just one tropers opinion, but the Ancients probably designed each DHD to only work with a specific Stargate to prevent this from happening. Of course, Stargates can be manually dialled dialed with the help of the circus strongman or friendly neighbourhood Jaffa, so...



** We see in late season 8 that the Alpha Site gate has both a DHD and a Dialling Computer, and the address in dialled through the computer.

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** We see in late season 8 that the Alpha Site gate has both a DHD and a Dialling Dialing Computer, and the address in dialled dialed through the computer.



** No That was Russia's DHD, which originally went with the Giza Gate. The Russians found it somewhere somehow but didn't get a gate until they ninjad the one that SG-1 crashed, so it was just the pretty magic button machine.

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** No That was Russia's DHD, which originally went with the Giza Gate. The Russians found it somewhere somehow but didn't get a gate until they ninjad ninja-d the one that SG-1 crashed, so it was just the pretty magic button machine.



* It just bugs me that Corin Nemic was (apparently) summararilly fired when Michael Shanks decided 'Oops, maybe I didn't want to leave after all'.

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* It just bugs me that Corin Nemic was (apparently) summararilly summarily fired when Michael Shanks decided 'Oops, maybe I didn't want to leave after all'.



** Don't know about that guy, but I'm british and it's been bugging me too.

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** Don't know about that guy, but I'm british British and it's been bugging me too.



** It's strongly indicated that Earth mythology is cribbed off the Goa'uld, not the other way round. Daniel's comments about how Ra and Apophis were 'living' the book of the dead and how the rivalries match up make it pretty clear that the mythology of the relevant cultures is basically a bastardised version of "At Home with the System Lords". For some reason, however, they never say it unequivocally.

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** It's strongly indicated that Earth mythology is cribbed off the Goa'uld, not the other way round. Daniel's comments about how Ra and Apophis were 'living' the book of the dead and how the rivalries match up make it pretty clear that the mythology of the relevant cultures is basically a bastardised bastardized version of "At Home with the System Lords". For some reason, however, they never say it unequivocally.



** Just to expand on this, how come all the Goa'uld can speak English? I mena, call me daft of you like, but I can't see the Goa-uld passing for medieval European gentry (and even that wouldn't be close enough, 19th-centry European gentry?).

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** Just to expand on this, how come all the Goa'uld can speak English? I mena, mean, call me daft of you like, but I can't see the Goa-uld Goa'uld passing for medieval European gentry (and even that wouldn't be close enough, 19th-centry 19th-century European gentry?).



** Yes, in "Watergate" it is outright stated that surface tension prevents things that aren't trying to get through the gate from getting through. Thus, dialling out from a Stargate submerged in water doesn't flood the other end.

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** Yes, in "Watergate" it is outright stated that surface tension prevents things that aren't trying to get through the gate from getting through. Thus, dialling dialing out from a Stargate submerged in water doesn't flood the other end.



* Why did it take the SGC "fifteen years and three supercomputers" to [=MacGyver=] the dialing system? Isn't it as simple as connecting the Stargate to an energy source, rotating the ring and locking chevrons? And for that matter, how did they determine the chevron order if they never successfully dialled it prior to the movie (the unregistered incidents in "The Torment of Tantalus" and "1969" notwithstanding)?

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* Why did it take the SGC "fifteen years and three supercomputers" to [=MacGyver=] the dialing system? Isn't it as simple as connecting the Stargate to an energy source, rotating the ring and locking chevrons? And for that matter, how did they determine the chevron order if they never successfully dialled dialed it prior to the movie (the unregistered incidents in "The Torment of Tantalus" and "1969" notwithstanding)?



** A possible explanation for how they discovered the order is that when the SG-1 dialled the Stargate in 1969, there was a security camera watching. They would have seen the chevrons lighting up (And the order in which they did so), but the video quality might have been low enough that they couldn't make out details (Like which symbols were dialed).

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** A possible explanation for how they discovered the order is that when the SG-1 dialled dialed the Stargate in 1969, there was a security camera watching. They would have seen the chevrons lighting up (And the order in which they did so), but the video quality might have been low enough that they couldn't make out details (Like which symbols were dialed).



** 48 HOURS: MCKAY:The Gate wasn't meant to be used without a dialling device. Your computer system ignores 220 of the 400 feedback signals the Gate can emit during any given dialling sequence. It is a fluke that you picked up the buffer warning, for that matter, I'm surprised that you even bothered to abort the dialling sequence despite the error.
** Also, "connecting the Stargate to an energy source" isn't the most trivial thing in the world. The thing is made out Unobtanium and its control systems are crystals. Working out a way to deliver power to it was no small task, and once that was done, there was still the matter of working out voltages and amperages, and phases and frequencies and all that. With their resources, getting "enough" power wouldn't be a problem, but getting the ''right'' power would be rather tricky given that the physical properties and the principles of design were largely unknown. Ever tried to find a compatible DC adapter for some random electronic gizmo? And those at least are made from earth materials and some of the parts are almost certainly labeled. It's probably comparable to the scene in ''Back To The Future III'' where Doc and Marty try to come up with a replacement fuel source for the car -- except that blowing out the fuel injector during trial-and-error was not an option. The times we've seen them put a gate on external power in the show, it's generally been with a Naqquadah generator (or quantum mechanical alchemy), and in those cases, they had the benefit of already knowing how to do it.

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** 48 HOURS: MCKAY:The Gate wasn't meant to be used without a dialling dialing device. Your computer system ignores 220 of the 400 feedback signals the Gate can emit during any given dialling dialing sequence. It is a fluke that you picked up the buffer warning, for that matter, I'm surprised that you even bothered to abort the dialling dialing sequence despite the error.
** Also, "connecting the Stargate to an energy source" isn't the most trivial thing in the world. The thing is made out Unobtanium and its control systems are crystals. Working out a way to deliver power to it was no small task, and once that was done, there was still the matter of working out voltages and amperages, and phases and frequencies and all that. With their resources, getting "enough" power wouldn't be a problem, but getting the ''right'' power would be rather tricky given that the physical properties and the principles of design were largely unknown. Ever tried to find a compatible DC adapter for some random electronic gizmo? And those at least are made from earth materials and some of the parts are almost certainly labeled. It's probably comparable to the scene in ''Back To The Future III'' where Doc and Marty try to come up with a replacement fuel source for the car -- except that blowing out the fuel injector during trial-and-error was not an option. The times we've seen them put a gate on external power in the show, it's generally been with a Naqquadah Naquadah generator (or quantum mechanical alchemy), and in those cases, they had the benefit of already knowing how to do it.



** This always bugged me. How could it possibly work? They'd need Stargates that can work in space. Fine for the Pegasus side of the bridge, but the Milkyway doesn't have space gates.

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** This always bugged me. How could it possibly work? They'd need Stargates that can work in space. Fine for the Pegasus side of the bridge, but the Milkyway Milky Way doesn't have space gates.



** The gate bridge cannot possibly work, the problem with dialing earth from atlantis was not having enough power for long distance connection, but even if the travel is split over a whole bunch of gates you still need the same total amount of power? where do the forwarding gates get it from? is there a Naquadah generator strapped to each one? And clearly radio communication would be impossible.

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** The gate bridge cannot possibly work, the problem with dialing earth Earth from atlantis Atlantis was not having enough power for a long distance connection, but even if the travel is split over a whole bunch of gates gates, you still need the same total amount of power? where Where do the forwarding gates get it from? is there a Naquadah generator strapped to each one? And clearly radio communication would be impossible.



** I'd regard the bridge as using the equivalent logic as a game of golf. One person is generally not able to hit the ball all the way to the green. Instead you hit the ball part the way and then from there you hit it again. The ability to hit a ball X metres 10 times is completely different from the ability to hit it 10*X metres in one go. In this case it'd be like the difference between having one golfer standing at the tee and trying to reach the green and having a whole bunch of golfers each hitting the ball to the next until it eventually gets there.

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** I'd regard the bridge as using the equivalent logic as a game of golf. One person is generally not able to hit the ball all the way to the green. Instead you hit the ball part the way and then from there you hit it again. The ability to hit a ball X metres meters 10 times is completely different from the ability to hit it 10*X metres meters in one go. In this case it'd be like the difference between having one golfer standing at the tee and trying to reach the green and having a whole bunch of golfers each hitting the ball to the next until it eventually gets there.



* It rather bugs me that it seems even the Ancients couldn't come up with a friendlier way of preventing incoming travelers than a barrier over the event horizon that would smash unwanted guests into atoms (Excluding disabling the gate altogether by sticking something big in the middle or pulling the plug). I can maybe get behind humans not being able to do better (though I've got some clever ideas involving placing two gates face-to-face), but with the thing having a pattern buffer, you'd think the folks who bult the darned thing could come up with a Sufficiently Advanced Decontamination Chamber.

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* It rather bugs me that it seems even the Ancients couldn't come up with a friendlier way of preventing incoming travelers than a barrier over the event horizon that would smash unwanted guests into atoms (Excluding disabling the gate altogether by sticking something big in the middle or pulling the plug). I can maybe get behind humans not being able to do better (though I've got some clever ideas involving placing two gates face-to-face), but with the thing having a pattern buffer, you'd think the folks who bult built the darned thing could come up with a Sufficiently Advanced Decontamination Chamber.



** Is that canonically the ''only'' way to prevent it? It seems inconceivable that they wouldn't have designed some way to screen unwanted calls. On the other hand, AFAIK the gate system hasn't undergone maintenance recently; the Goa'auld (or the Wraith, or some other bad guy) may have discovered an unpatched exploit in the system which lets them bypass the filters on any gate.

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** Is that canonically the ''only'' way to prevent it? It seems inconceivable that they wouldn't have designed some way to screen unwanted calls. On the other hand, AFAIK the gate system hasn't undergone maintenance recently; the Goa'auld Goa'uld (or the Wraith, or some other bad guy) may have discovered an unpatched exploit in the system which lets them bypass the filters on any gate.



** Speaking of the iris, with the way it folds around itself at the center of the gate, there must be a hole between the plates. I didn't hear any references to them using a metal that could be made as strong as a solid block of steel yet as thin as to make the hole in the center small enough not to let a high-pressure jet of gate-traveller puree through.

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** Speaking of the iris, with the way it folds around itself at the center of the gate, there must be a hole between the plates. I didn't hear any references to them using a metal that could be made as strong as a solid block of steel yet as thin as to make the hole in the center small enough not to let a high-pressure jet of gate-traveller gate-traveler puree through.



** I assumed it was Sokar's tech. The system lords don't generally share technology with each other. Unless anther system lord found the weaon no one else would have it.

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** I assumed it was Sokar's tech. The system lords don't generally share technology with each other. Unless anther system lord found the weaon weapon no one else would have it.



** Mmmrmm. It seems like an awful big coincidence that the symbol which is only coincidentally associated with Earth is also the first letter of "Atlantis" in Ancientese.

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** Mmmrmm.Hmmm. It seems like an awful big coincidence that the symbol which is only coincidentally associated with Earth is also the first letter of "Atlantis" in Ancientese.



** My concern with the whole point-of-origin thing was SGU. They had to use Earth's point of origin to dial Destiny no matter what planet they were on (Eli stated it was more of a code than an address). The problem: the original Ancient gate that would've been on Earth when Destiny was sent out was the Antarctic one, that had the point of origin from Solitudes. But they used the point of origin from the gate Ra brough to earth to dial Destiny. We know the system is intelligent in some way (perhaps Ra recoded the system to make that the new default Earth gate), and it knew to use the "current" Earth point of origin rather than the original. But it's still weird, knowing what we know from Solitudes. Other times when they are using the Antarctic gate and you see the Ra gate point of origin is just due to stock footage, I give them a pass on that.

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** My concern with the whole point-of-origin thing was SGU. They had to use Earth's point of origin to dial Destiny no matter what planet they were on (Eli stated it was more of a code than an address). The problem: the original Ancient gate that would've been on Earth when Destiny was sent out was the Antarctic one, that had the point of origin from Solitudes. But they used the point of origin from the gate Ra brough brought to earth to dial Destiny. We know the system is intelligent in some way (perhaps Ra recoded the system to make that the new default Earth gate), and it knew to use the "current" Earth point of origin rather than the original. But it's still weird, knowing what we know from Solitudes. Other times when they are using the Antarctic gate and you see the Ra gate point of origin is just due to stock footage, I give them a pass on that.



** If you think about how often Teal'c actually got them into trouble, you have to wonder if it was worth it. Or if they shoulda made him wear a basecap and leave the staff weapon. I mean, Werher von Braun wasn't wearing his Nazi-uniform when he worked at NASA either.

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** If you think about how often Teal'c actually got them into trouble, you have to wonder if it was worth it. Or if they shoulda should have made him wear a basecap baseball cap and leave the staff weapon. I mean, Werher Wernher von Braun wasn't wearing his Nazi-uniform when he worked at NASA either.



** If nothing else, they could have at least discussed their options. They could have spent a day or two bringing some engineers in, seeing if they could safely dig into the cave and bypass the hammer and get Teal'c out that way, then seal it up again. As to the question of whether Teal'c would be unable to go back through the gate, the actual teleporting part of the hammer wasn't actually seen getting destroyed. Yet obviously they did get Teal'c off the planet. Either they'd have to have destroyed that separately or they'd have to have snuck past it (keep in mind it had to scan everyone before finding Teal'c so it's possible that Teal'c could have gotten to the gate before the scan got to him, even if it took a few attempts and bringing a few people to distract it). If it did have to be destroyed, Goa'uld wouldn't be automatically transported to the cave anymore, but you can still leave the Goa'uld destroying part intact which would still be very useful.

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** If nothing else, they could have at least discussed their options. They could have spent a day or two bringing some engineers in, seeing if they could safely dig into the cave and bypass the hammer and get Teal'c out that way, then seal it up again. As to the question of whether Teal'c would be unable to go back through the gate, the actual teleporting part of the hammer wasn't actually seen getting destroyed. Yet obviously they did get Teal'c off the planet. Either they'd have to have destroyed that separately or they'd have to have snuck sneaked past it (keep in mind it had to scan everyone before finding Teal'c so it's possible that Teal'c could have gotten to the gate before the scan got to him, even if it took a few attempts and bringing a few people to distract it). If it did have to be destroyed, Goa'uld wouldn't be automatically transported to the cave anymore, but you can still leave the Goa'uld destroying part intact which would still be very useful.



** It's also a possiblity that Daniel was the exception, not the Jaffa. If we assume for a moment that the "burst into flames" thing is a failsafe placed in all Priors, then I think Adria deliberately left it out of Daniel because if he died, she would lose the knowledge needed to build Merlin's weapon. True, Daniel might betray her, but she likely assumed that even if he did, there would be no way he could outsmart her. But as stated by the previous troper, Merlin helped.

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** It's also a possiblity possibility that Daniel was the exception, not the Jaffa. If we assume for a moment that the "burst into flames" thing is a failsafe placed in all Priors, then I think Adria deliberately left it out of Daniel because if he died, she would lose the knowledge needed to build Merlin's weapon. True, Daniel might betray her, but she likely assumed that even if he did, there would be no way he could outsmart her. But as stated by the previous troper, Merlin helped.



** I believe it's assumed that the self-immolation is a triggerable ability (like everything else they do), as a Prior captured by SGC set himself ablaze in order to prevent them from gaining information from him. If the Ori had the ability to trigger it themselves he would have burst into flames the moment he stepped into the SGC under SG-1's control.

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** I believe it's assumed that the self-immolation is a triggerable triggered ability (like everything else they do), as a Prior captured by SGC set himself ablaze in order to prevent them from gaining information from him. If the Ori had the ability to trigger it themselves he would have burst into flames the moment he stepped into the SGC under SG-1's control.



** ''Some'' Naquaddah is stable. There is also weapons-grade Naquaddah (Naquadria is unique to Jonas Quinn's world) which you can make bombs out of, and you can also make something like a nuclear reactor from the stuff. That said, it's not ''extremely'' volatile. They used it, I assume, for the same reason you can make stuff very strong by adding a bit of depleted uranium. It's a ridiculously heavy superconductive element with some unstable isotopes.

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** ''Some'' Naquaddah Naquadah is stable. There is also weapons-grade Naquaddah Naquadah (Naquadria is unique to Jonas Quinn's world) which you can make bombs out of, and you can also make something like a nuclear reactor from the stuff. That said, it's not ''extremely'' volatile. They used it, I assume, for the same reason you can make stuff very strong by adding a bit of depleted uranium. It's a ridiculously heavy superconductive element with some unstable isotopes.



** IIRC the toastergate was specifically mentioned to only work the one time before burning out.

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** IIRC the toastergate toaster gate was specifically mentioned to only work the one time before burning out.



** Also, the bastardized pronounciation of "Goa'uld" used by much of the cast, "Gould," bears a strong resemblance to "ghoul," an undead creature that feasts on corpses. A fitting epithet for the overdressed, boombox-voiced snake-in-the-heads.

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** Also, the bastardized pronounciation pronunciation of "Goa'uld" used by much of the cast, "Gould," bears a strong resemblance to "ghoul," an undead creature that feasts on corpses. A fitting epithet for the overdressed, boombox-voiced snake-in-the-heads.



** Apparently, Origin contains some good moral messages in amongst all the "burn the heretics" stuff. Once Tomin had no need to worry about blasphemy he could focus on the good stuff while ignoring the bad, there's something to be said for a religion in which noone actually believes the supernatural aspects.
** Actually, it has been stated that the Book of Origin itself doesn't contain any of the "burn the heritics" stuff and the ori and priors use their athority to interpret it that way to get the masses to kill for them. From "Origin":

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** Apparently, Origin contains some good moral messages in amongst among all the "burn the heretics" stuff. Once Tomin had no need to worry about blasphemy he could focus on the good stuff while ignoring the bad, there's something to be said for a religion in which noone no one actually believes the supernatural aspects.
** Actually, it has been stated that the Book of Origin itself doesn't contain any of the "burn the heritics" heretics" stuff and the ori Ori and priors use their athority authority to interpret it that way to get the masses to kill for them. From "Origin":



'''Tomin''': The Prior. He changed the meaning of the story of Markon to suit the situation… to justify killing villagers.

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'''Tomin''': The Prior. He changed the meaning of the story of Markon to suit the situation… situation: to justify killing villagers.



** People are seen dialing six and seven symbols throughout the years. but i think the previous poster is right and any time they dial seven its a production error (like the chevrons lit up one by one on incoming wormholes. Although I have a theory on that ill put forth in the relevent section) But you can set a gate to only accept addresses from certain gates if you are smart enough so the idea of adding call id to the system is probably the reason points of origin exist. The Ancients were just showing uncharacteristic foresight :P
** I think it is a backup for manual dialling to let the gate know that you have entered the complete address (like the "call" button on a mobile phone)

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** People are seen dialing six and seven symbols throughout the years. but i think the previous poster is right and any time they dial seven its a production error (like the chevrons lit up one by one on incoming wormholes. Although I have a theory on that ill put forth in the relevent relevant section) But you can set a gate to only accept addresses from certain gates if you are smart enough so the idea of adding call id to the system is probably the reason points of origin exist. The Ancients were just showing uncharacteristic foresight :P
** I think it is a backup for manual dialling dialing to let the gate know that you have entered the complete address (like the "call" button on a mobile phone)



* What the hell happens when something goes through the other side of a Stargate. think about it. we only ever see things going through one side of the Stargate. i'm guessing that something that gets shoved through doesn;t just go to the other side of the receiving Stargate, since the iris of the earth gate only covers one side (when the iris is closed and the gate active, you can see the shimmer pattern projected onto the wall behind the gate.) but that still leaves a question. does it just pass through unhindered? (could have some really freaky effects if something is going in the correct side.) does it get vaporized, what?!

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* What the hell happens when something goes through the other side of a Stargate. think about it. we only ever see things going through one side of the Stargate. i'm guessing that something that gets shoved through doesn;t doesn't just go to the other side of the receiving Stargate, since the iris of the earth gate only covers one side (when the iris is closed and the gate active, you can see the shimmer pattern projected onto the wall behind the gate.) but that still leaves a question. does it just pass through unhindered? (could have some really freaky effects if something is going in the correct side.) does it get vaporized, what?!



** That might just barely be true in many other episodes, but in ''the very episode'' where they learn this (Need,) the final scene has Daniel and the princess personally destroying the thing! Granted, the girl was going through a mixture of mourning, withdrawal, and lovelornness, but they probably could have persuaded her give it to them.
** This has always bothered me too. The implication seemed to be that ''any'' use of the Sarcophagus is inherently wrong; that the Sarcophagus is almost symbolic (somehow) of the Goa'ulds' evil, and thus to use it is to become like them, at least a little bit. Remember the episode where they met the Tok'ra? Carter once wakes up from a dream yelling "we don't use the Sarcophagus" because of her Tok'ra memories. The implication is that refusing the sarcophagus is one of the things that separates the good Tok'ra from the evil Goa'uld. ... Of course, the point of all this is lost completely considering how many times various members of SG-1 have been in a sarcophagus ''without'' it being played as a turn towards evil -- especially Daniel, who, iirc, has used a sarcophagus ''lots'' of times aside from the ''Need'' episode, without going crazy.

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** That might just barely be true in many other episodes, but in ''the very episode'' where they learn this (Need,) ("Need",) the final scene has Daniel and the princess personally destroying the thing! Granted, the girl was going through a mixture of mourning, mourning and withdrawal, and lovelornness, but they probably could have persuaded her give it to them.
** This has always bothered me too. The implication seemed to be that ''any'' use of the Sarcophagus is inherently wrong; that the Sarcophagus is almost symbolic (somehow) of the Goa'ulds' evil, and thus to use it is to become like them, at least a little bit. Remember the episode where they met the Tok'ra? Carter once wakes up from a dream yelling "we don't use the Sarcophagus" because of her Tok'ra memories. The implication is that refusing the sarcophagus is one of the things that separates the good Tok'ra from the evil Goa'uld. ... Of course, the point of all this is lost completely considering how many times various members of SG-1 have been in a sarcophagus ''without'' it being played as a turn towards evil -- especially Daniel, who, iirc, IIRC, has used a sarcophagus ''lots'' of times aside from the ''Need'' episode, without going crazy.



** Staff weapons are also obviously the symbol of the Jaffa, who most people would recognize as the footsoldiers of the Goa'uld. Several episodes have SG teams having trouble convincing the locals that they're not Goa'uld just because they came through the Stargate, carrying staff weapons would make that even more difficult (granted, SG-1 decides to make that even tougher on themselves by having an ''actual'' Jaffa carrying a Staff weapon with them the whole time). In addition to negating just about all the training the soldiers of the SGC had up to that point with human weapons, Staff weapons just weren't significantly more efficient than Earth-made guns.

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** Staff weapons are also obviously the symbol of the Jaffa, who most people would recognize as the footsoldiers foot-soldiers of the Goa'uld. Several episodes have SG teams having trouble convincing the locals that they're not Goa'uld just because they came through the Stargate, carrying staff weapons would make that even more difficult (granted, SG-1 decides to make that even tougher on themselves by having an ''actual'' Jaffa carrying a Staff weapon with them the whole time). In addition to negating just about all the training the soldiers of the SGC had up to that point with human weapons, Staff weapons just weren't significantly more efficient than Earth-made guns.



** It makes sense for these names to be associated with the Tau'ri, at least the first two. Prometheus was a benefactor of humanity, punished by Zeus (who was a Goa'uld in the ''Stargate'' universe) for stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans. Similarly, in ''Stargate'', the ship ''Prometheus'' is built by humans from reverse-engineered technology "stolen from the gods". In fact, that particular myth sounds so Stargatish that it's surprising it was never actually touched in the franchise.
** Besides, the practice appears to have been discontinued. The Odyssey is named after a legend, not a specific person (although it relates to Odysseus). The Korolev was named after a Russian scientist. The Apollo could have been named after the space Apollo missions. The Sun Tzu was named after a Chinese gerneral. The Phoenix/Hammond should be fairly obvious. So it's really only the Prometheus and Daedalus that have this problem.

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** It makes sense for these names to be associated with the Tau'ri, at least the first two. Prometheus was a benefactor of humanity, punished by Zeus (who was a Goa'uld in the ''Stargate'' universe) for stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans. Similarly, in ''Stargate'', the ship ''Prometheus'' is built by humans from reverse-engineered technology "stolen from the gods". In fact, that particular myth sounds so Stargatish Stargate-ish that it's surprising it was never actually touched in the franchise.
** Besides, the practice appears to have been discontinued. The Odyssey is named after a legend, not a specific person (although it relates to Odysseus). The Korolev was named after a Russian scientist. The Apollo could have been named after the space Apollo missions. The Sun Tzu was named after a Chinese gerneral.general. The Phoenix/Hammond should be fairly obvious. So it's really only the Prometheus and Daedalus that have this problem.



** Even if there are Goa'uld with the names of these ships, these myths inspired our enitre civilization. naming ships after them has been common practive for centuries and i doubt it would quickly change.

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** Even if there are Goa'uld with the names of these ships, these myths inspired our enitre entire civilization. naming Naming ships after them has been common practive practice for centuries centuries, and i I doubt it would quickly change.



** The SG teams from "Ripple Effect" were only able to arrive because of the black hole created in "Beachead," which means any team we see had to have experienced a similair set of events in their home reality for that black hole to form at all. Any reality that did not have that black hole couldn't have sent a team here in "Ripple Effect." Draw your own conclusions from that.

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** The SG teams from "Ripple Effect" were only able to arrive because of the black hole created in "Beachead," "Beachhead," which means any team we see had to have experienced a similair similar set of events in their home reality for that black hole to form at all. Any reality that did not have that black hole couldn't have sent a team here in "Ripple Effect." Draw your own conclusions from that.



** If one hit will destroy your ship having giant guns won't help in a battle with two ships. Especially if more will come every time you have to stop. Also a ship only has so much power. I always assumed they couldn't use the hyperdrive/time dialation field and charge the shields at the same time.

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** If one hit will destroy your ship having giant guns won't help in a battle with two ships. Especially if more will come every time you have to stop. Also a ship only has so much power. I always assumed they couldn't use the hyperdrive/time dialation dilation field and charge the shields at the same time.



** On the topic of ''Unending'', why is it that when they chose who to leave behind for the “salvage a miracle out of the Asgard core” mission out of the entire crew, they chose just one single technician hypothetically capable of accomplishing that goal (Carter) and five useless tagalongs?

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** On the topic of ''Unending'', why is it that when they chose who to leave behind for the “salvage a miracle out of the Asgard core” mission out of the entire crew, they chose just one single technician hypothetically capable of accomplishing that goal (Carter) and five useless tagalongs?tag-alongs?



* In Avalon Part 2, after SG-1 find Merlin's treasure, Daniel assures Cam that they won't be letting Vala keep any of it. Considering she was the one who brought them the tablet to find it in the first place, this seems more than a little unfair. I know the treause is priceless, but it's not like the SGC has any use for the basic jewellery and coins. It doesn't help advance their technology and they can't sell it to a museum without coming clean about the Stargate project. And I know Vala has a way of getting under Daniel's skin, but he's supposed to be the moral centre of the team. It just seems out of place for him to just cut her out of a fair deal like that.

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* In Avalon Part 2, after SG-1 find Merlin's treasure, Daniel assures Cam that they won't be letting Vala keep any of it. Considering she was the one who brought them the tablet to find it in the first place, this seems more than a little unfair. I know the treause treasure is priceless, but it's not like the SGC has any use for the basic jewellery jewelry and coins. It doesn't help advance their technology and they can't sell it to a museum without coming clean about the Stargate project. And I know Vala has a way of getting under Daniel's skin, but he's supposed to be the moral centre center of the team. It just seems out of place for him to just cut her out of a fair deal like that.



** They're born with them. As an aside, the writers declared "Hathor" non canon a few years back as they felt it was the single worst episode that they ever wrote and that it conflicts with canon before and after it.

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** They're born with them. As an aside, the writers declared "Hathor" non canon non-canon a few years back as they felt it was the single worst episode that they ever wrote and that it conflicts with canon before and after it.



** Goa'uld don't take dna from the host species to make them viable (later we see Goa'uld jump from Unas to humans just fine), Jaffa aren't humans who are altered by queens (they're genetically engineered that way as was stated before and after Hathor), if the Goa'uld had this drug the whole time, why not use the drug to easily enslave all the planets you want? I could go on but I think the point is made.
** It should also be pointed out that even though it seems to have general errors, it was never actually disavowed from cannon. When the writers specifically reference the episode "Hathor" in the season 8 episode "Citizen Joe," to lampshade the errors concerning Jaffa and Goa'uld, one cannot claim they declared the episode non-cannon.

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** Goa'uld don't take dna DNA from the host species to make them viable (later we see Goa'uld jump from Unas to humans just fine), Jaffa aren't humans who are altered by queens (they're genetically engineered that way as was stated before and after Hathor), if the Goa'uld had this drug the whole time, why not use the drug to easily enslave all the planets you want? I could go on but I think the point is made.
** It should also be pointed out that even though it seems to have general errors, it was never actually disavowed from cannon. canon. When the writers specifically reference the episode "Hathor" in the season 8 episode "Citizen Joe," to lampshade the errors concerning Jaffa and Goa'uld, one cannot claim they declared the episode non-cannon.non-canon.



** It's completely consistent with how time travel had been treated before. When they stopped Ba'al, the new timeline created from that over wrote the old one where he succeeded. Just like when he succeeded it over wrote the one where he never went back. Just like in "Moebius" when fiddling in ancient egypt overwrote their timeline with the one with no Stargate, just like in 2010 where sending a note back caused that timeline to be over written. I'm not sure where your problem is.

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** It's completely consistent with how time travel had been treated before. When they stopped Ba'al, the new timeline created from that over wrote the old one where he succeeded. Just like when he succeeded it over wrote the one where he never went back. Just like in "Moebius" when fiddling in ancient egypt Egypt overwrote their timeline with the one with no Stargate, just like in 2010 where sending a note back caused that timeline to be over written. I'm not sure where your problem is.



** TV shows that use both Time Travel overwritting and multiple universe storylines are designed to mess with your head. The two concepts of multiple universe and overwritting are mutually incompatable.

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** TV shows that use both Time Travel overwritting overwriting and multiple universe storylines are designed to mess with your head. The two concepts of multiple universe and overwritting overwriting are mutually incompatable.incompatible.



** Another problem with Continuum is the sea Captain. It's implied and sort of stated that he ''is'' "our" Cam Mitchell (Carter calls him "A walking grangfather Paradox!") only aged a bit because they had to send him back "too early" and he ended up creating a Closed Time Loop. But if that's the case, then how come the captain is so passive when it comes to Ba'al appearing? He knows what a threat Ba'al is and that he could appear through the gate. OK, so SG-1 favours the "Many worlds" version of time travel rather than creating Stable Loops (though they use a loop in Moebius), but shouldn't he make a better show of stopping Ba'al the first time?

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** Another problem with Continuum is the sea Captain. It's implied and sort of stated that he ''is'' "our" Cam Mitchell (Carter calls him "A walking grangfather grandfather Paradox!") only aged a bit because they had to send him back "too early" and he ended up creating a Closed Time Loop. But if that's the case, then how come the captain is so passive when it comes to Ba'al appearing? He knows what a threat Ba'al is and that he could appear through the gate. OK, so SG-1 favours favors the "Many worlds" version of time travel rather than creating Stable Loops (though they use a loop in Moebius), but shouldn't he make a better show of stopping Ba'al the first time?



** It's a pretty damn big coincidence that Cam has an identical grandfather who is roughly the same age as Cam would be if he was sent back to 1920ish (which he was) who his grandmother refuses to tell him about.

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** It's a pretty damn big coincidence that Cam has an identical grandfather who is roughly the same age as Cam would be if he was sent back to 1920ish 1920-ish (which he was) who his grandmother refuses to tell him about.



** This is a fantastic example of WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief. Thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands) of film and TV have used the identical actor/actress as a sibling or forebear - its just something you have to accept if you are going to enjoy the show. If you are looking for an explanation as to ''why'' this happens look no further than ViewersAreMorons. Its the same reason most stories involving bodyswaps dub over the opposite actors voice.

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** This is a fantastic example of WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief. Thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands) of film and TV have used the identical actor/actress as a sibling or forebear - its just something you have to accept if you are going to enjoy the show. If you are looking for an explanation as to ''why'' this happens look no further than ViewersAreMorons. Its the same reason most stories involving bodyswaps body-swaps dub over the opposite actors voice.



* This show seems to seriously underestimate the value of intar technology. They seem to be a near-perfect weapon. Non-lethal, no apparent long-term effects aside from slight soreness, and can take the form of any weapon (ergo, no special training needed). So why doesn't the SGC equip all off-world teams with intars? It would make things a lot easier since, as O'Neill himself pointed out, it would allow SG teams to "shoot first and ask questions later" with no consequences. No more Mexican Standoff scenarios. No more hesitation to fire on primitive peoples who don't know any better. They can shoot, shoot, shoot, and sort things out later. (And don't say they don't have enough intars to go around. If they can spend intar rounds on cadet training simulations they clearly have the ability to produce new intars.) On a related note, why don't the Goa'uld use intars when they harvest hosts?
** Goa'uld take LargeHam to a remarkable level, especially since they don't need many hosts. "Accidentally" killing a few dozen potential hosts is a feature, not a bug; they want as many of the survivors scared shitless as possible. As to the use of intars by SG-1, they probably don't want to establish a "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset. There's too much risk of it encouraging native populations to try and kill you. It's also not clear how effective intars are on armored opponents, meaning that carrying intars would require a doubled weapons load-out. The x-699 suggests that the Tauri were working on more effective energy weapons, but it's not clear if such were successfully demonstrated.

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* This show seems to seriously underestimate the value of intar Intar technology. They seem to be a near-perfect weapon. Non-lethal, no apparent long-term effects aside from slight soreness, and can take the form of any weapon (ergo, no special training needed). So why doesn't the SGC equip all off-world teams with intars? Intars? It would make things a lot easier since, as O'Neill himself pointed out, it would allow SG teams to "shoot first and ask questions later" with no consequences. No more Mexican Standoff scenarios. No more hesitation to fire on primitive peoples who don't know any better. They can shoot, shoot, shoot, and sort things out later. (And don't say they don't have enough intars Intars to go around. If they can spend intar Intar rounds on cadet training simulations they clearly have the ability to produce new intars.) On a related note, why don't the Goa'uld use intars when they harvest hosts?
** Goa'uld take LargeHam to a remarkable level, especially since they don't need many hosts. "Accidentally" killing a few dozen potential hosts is a feature, not a bug; they want as many of the survivors scared shitless as possible. As to the use of intars Intars by SG-1, they probably don't want to establish a "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset. There's too much risk of it encouraging native populations to try and kill you. It's also not clear how effective intars Intars are on armored opponents, meaning that carrying intars Intars would require a doubled weapons load-out. The x-699 suggests that the Tauri were working on more effective energy weapons, but it's not clear if such were successfully demonstrated.



** The Antartic gate was Earth's original gate (in fact Carter guessed it may be the first ever Stargate built), put in place by the Ancients. When Ra came to earth he, for what ever reason, brought his own Stargate with him. Maybe the original was already buried under ice, maybe Ra preferred his own because of the "sun-over-the-pyramid-esque point of origin symbol.

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** The Antartic Antarctic gate was Earth's original gate (in fact Carter guessed it may be the first ever Stargate built), put in place by the Ancients. When Ra came to earth he, for what ever reason, brought his own Stargate with him. Maybe the original was already buried under ice, maybe Ra preferred his own because of the "sun-over-the-pyramid-esque point of origin symbol.



** Um, no. This is the same sort of argument people use to say "Well the police could have just shot him in the leg or the arm". Guns and marksmanship do not work like that, especially not in life-or-death situations. Guns are ''not'' as accurate as most videogames and movies make them seem, and staff weapons are less accurate than guns. Teal'c did what he had to do to save Daniel's life, and Daniel understands that and forgives him.

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** Um, no. This is the same sort of argument people use to say "Well the police could have just shot him in the leg or the arm". Guns and marksmanship do not work like that, especially not in life-or-death situations. Guns are ''not'' as accurate as most videogames video games and movies make them seem, and staff weapons are less accurate than guns. Teal'c did what he had to do to save Daniel's life, and Daniel understands that and forgives him.



** 1) Identical to the dialling out: the circular part spins, and the chevrons lock like normal. Loads of time to close the iris.

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** 1) Identical to the dialling dialing out: the circular part spins, and the chevrons lock like normal. Loads of time to close the iris.



* The ending of 'Fragile Balance', as it relates to O'Neill's clone just bugs me. Jack O'Neill harbors a secret desire to return to *high school*?! Ok, first, why would anyone in their right mind want to go back to high school? And also, eww in regards to the ogling of the teenage girls. And given SG-1's track record, wouldn't the Air Force be thrilled to have a second O'Neill running around (not to mention the ancient gene, etc)? Given that the actor did a pretty good job of getting the mannerisms et al right, I'm kinda disappointed they didn't bring back the clone in later seasons when the "real" Jack was promoted. Or at least for Atlantis. Or something.

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* The ending of 'Fragile Balance', as it relates to O'Neill's clone just bugs me. Jack O'Neill harbors a secret desire to return to *high school*?! Ok, first, why would anyone in their right mind want to go back to high school? And also, eww ewwww in regards to the ogling of the teenage girls. And given SG-1's track record, wouldn't the Air Force be thrilled to have a second O'Neill running around (not to mention the ancient gene, etc)? Given that the actor did a pretty good job of getting the mannerisms et al right, I'm kinda disappointed they didn't bring back the clone in later seasons when the "real" Jack was promoted. Or at least for Atlantis. Or something.



** Yes UnfortunateImplications abound, but I'm just going to come out and say it: most men don't stop fantasizing about High School girls they just realize they can no longer safely pursue them. Case in point, the Japanese schoolgirl models who are really 22 but are made to look like children... O'neill wouldn't be the only man in existence who would pursue teenage girls if he was knocked back a few decades. As for the whole ''who would want to go back to high school?'' O'Neill Jr is now legally a different person. Unless the Air Force gave him a job (which ''wouldn't'' be anything like his former role, the most he could hope for would be a consultant or someone with a far lower rank) he would need to go back through the education system in order to aquire the qualifications to get a decent job. Finally you have to ask yourself this: would O'Neill Jr even WANT to rejoin the military? he has spent his entire life fighting - from the Gulf War right up to fully fledged alien invasions. Given a second chance at life maybe he would follow the alternate O'Neill's example from ''Moebius'' and run a boating business; not to mention the death of his son, which he still blames himself for. Stands to reason he would avoid guns and fighting altogether in an effort to stop things like ''leave a loaded gun/gun and ammo in close proximity around the house where your unsupervised child can reach it'' this time around.

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** Yes UnfortunateImplications abound, but I'm just going to come out and say it: most men don't stop fantasizing about High School girls they just realize they can no longer safely pursue them. Case in point, the Japanese schoolgirl models who are really 22 but are made to look like children... O'neill O'Neill wouldn't be the only man in existence who would pursue teenage girls if he was knocked back a few decades. As for the whole ''who would want to go back to high school?'' O'Neill Jr is now legally a different person. Unless the Air Force gave him a job (which ''wouldn't'' be anything like his former role, the most he could hope for would be a consultant or someone with a far lower rank) he would need to go back through the education system in order to aquire acquire the qualifications to get a decent job. Finally you have to ask yourself this: would O'Neill Jr even WANT to rejoin the military? he has spent his entire life fighting - from the Gulf War right up to fully fledged alien invasions. Given a second chance at life maybe he would follow the alternate O'Neill's example from ''Moebius'' and run a boating business; not to mention the death of his son, which he still blames himself for. Stands to reason he would avoid guns and fighting altogether in an effort to stop things like ''leave a loaded gun/gun and ammo in close proximity around the house where your unsupervised child can reach it'' this time around.



* "1969." After arriving in the past the Gate exists just long enough to spit them out, then vanishes. First of all, why does the ramp remain if the Stargate hasn't been installed yet? Second, how did this timetravelling wormhole create a virtual Stargate? Shouldn't the wormhole just go to wherever the Gate is at this point in history, which is (I think) a storage facility in Washington D.C. (and inside a crate, by the way).

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* "1969." After arriving in the past the Gate exists just long enough to spit them out, then vanishes. First of all, why does the ramp remain if the Stargate hasn't been installed yet? Second, how did this timetravelling time-traveling wormhole create a virtual Stargate? Shouldn't the wormhole just go to wherever the Gate is at this point in history, which is (I think) a storage facility in Washington D.C. (and inside a crate, by the way).



** And, for that matter, how the hell did they produce those ships at all? How did they replicate some of the Asgard's most advanced tech, without creating a whole Sufficiently Advanced Alien, elder-tech manufacturing base beneath the effort. Think of it this way: if we went to a planet with cave men, and left them a science text-book and a copy of an aircraft cariers schematics, could they build that aircraft carrier in ten years? And even if they managed too... do you think they'd still be living in caves while they did it and after they did it, having not so much as even deployed electric lights anywhere except the ship?

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** And, for that matter, how the hell did they produce those ships at all? How did they replicate some of the Asgard's most advanced tech, without creating a whole Sufficiently Advanced Alien, elder-tech manufacturing base beneath the effort. Think of it this way: if we went to a planet with cave men, and left them a science text-book and a copy of an aircraft cariers carrier's schematics, could they build that aircraft carrier in ten years? And even if they managed too... do you think they'd still be living in caves while they did it and after they did it, having not so much as even deployed electric lights anywhere except the ship?



** Not to mention that the idea of cloning having a wear out point is ridiculous. Increasing degredation by making copies of copies is fair enough, but why the hell are you doing that in the first place. Pick an original. Put it on ice. Each time you need a clone, make the clone from the original. People are currently (sometimes) smart enough to do this with photocopies. I think you'd take a bit more care with your racial survival than your meeting agenda.

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** Not to mention that the idea of cloning having a wear out point is ridiculous. Increasing degredation degradation by making copies of copies is fair enough, but why the hell are you doing that in the first place. Pick an original. Put it on ice. Each time you need a clone, make the clone from the original. People are currently (sometimes) smart enough to do this with photocopies. I think you'd take a bit more care with your racial survival than your meeting agenda.



** We have to remember that the Asgard have been pushing that rock for a long, long, long time. Simple answer is they were weary and saw nothing but perpetual degradation. NOt only that, but in the previous few years the Asgard had been beaten up by virtually every power on the show. The Goauld via Anubis, the replicators, one of the Stargate Atlantis episodes almost had the Asgard on the Daedalus get munched by the Wraith (along with the rest of the crew), even the Earth Humans took out an Asgard (Clone!Neill zatted Loki) unaided. The replicators destroyed their old home world, and they had to transfer most of their populace into computers, they had some of their most powerful vessels swatted out the sky. Then the Ori showed up and the Asgard could do squat to help stop them, worse than squat really. The victories against the Ori were Earth and Jaffa driven. That is one long HumiliationConga for a race like the Asgard who used to be so all powerful. Their ass-kickings didn't end with the replicator war. With no end in sight to trying to overcome the clone degradation, and the continual sapping of their power and loss of all that entails, and the rise of humanity as galactic protectors, maybe they just thought it was time. Imagine it as someone with a terminal disease, not everyone fights to the end. Some people just get to a point where they say "it's time, man. It's time" and give in. The Asgard had a good run, but it was time.

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** We have to remember that the Asgard have been pushing that rock for a long, long, long time. Simple answer is they were weary and saw nothing but perpetual degradation. NOt Not only that, but in the previous few years the Asgard had been beaten up by virtually every power on the show. The Goauld Goa'uld via Anubis, the replicators, one of the Stargate Atlantis episodes almost had the Asgard on the Daedalus get munched by the Wraith (along with the rest of the crew), even the Earth Humans took out an Asgard (Clone!Neill (Clo'Neill zatted Loki) unaided. The replicators destroyed their old home world, and they had to transfer most of their populace into computers, they had some of their most powerful vessels swatted out the sky. Then the Ori showed up and the Asgard could do squat to help stop them, worse than squat really. The victories against the Ori were Earth and Jaffa driven. That is one long HumiliationConga for a race like the Asgard who used to be so all powerful. Their ass-kickings didn't end with the replicator war. With no end in sight to trying to overcome the clone degradation, and the continual sapping of their power and loss of all that entails, and the rise of humanity as galactic protectors, maybe they just thought it was time. Imagine it as someone with a terminal disease, not everyone fights to the end. Some people just get to a point where they say "it's time, man. It's time" and give in. The Asgard had a good run, but it was time.



** Alar wasn't just going to teach us about missiles, he was willing to share everything. Power supplies, shield technology and medicine. Things that could have been used to save Earth and protect the planet. Jack was perfectly willing to support a war he knew nothing about to get that technology, but not this? Besides, the man was no threat to him, he didn't kill him in self defence. Why not take him to Earth and keep him locked up in a cell for life? The scumbag gets whats coming to him and all of Earth benefits from better defences and medicine. Win, win scenario.

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** Alar wasn't just going to teach us about missiles, he was willing to share everything. Power supplies, shield technology and medicine. Things that could have been used to save Earth and protect the planet. Jack was perfectly willing to support a war he knew nothing about to get that technology, but not this? Besides, the man was no threat to him, he didn't kill him in self defence. defense. Why not take him to Earth and keep him locked up in a cell for life? The scumbag gets whats coming to him and all of Earth benefits from better defences defenses and medicine. Win, win scenario.



* This has always bugged me. Much is made, in the latter seasons, about how the Book of Origin itself describes a peaceful religion, and the priors deliberately corrupt it and artificially twist it to justify their actions. Here's my problem: why bother? Presumably, at least, the Priors and the Ori themselves created the religion of Origin. If they wanted to use it to justify tyrrany and genocide... why not just *put that in the book in the first place*? It's not like Origin would be the first religion to teach that unquestioning obedience to authority, forced conversion or cruelty to non-believers are all good things: actually, some terrestrial religions have done very well for themselves, exactly *because* they provide an excuse to hurt, dominate and kill others.
** The reason, of course, is that, if you're corrupting a peaceful religion, that looks suspiciously like the holywood version of Medievil catholicism, then the show becomes a message about how all religion is somewhat bad, and fundamentalism is very bad, without directly targeting anyone. If Origin's texts explicitly told you to "go forth and kill for the Ori!" the show would then appear to warn against specifically and only those religions that have that requirement (and would thus tacitly aprove of some religions, while scorning only the bloody ones).

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* This has always bugged me. Much is made, in the latter seasons, about how the Book of Origin itself describes a peaceful religion, and the priors deliberately corrupt it and artificially twist it to justify their actions. Here's my problem: why bother? Presumably, at least, the Priors and the Ori themselves created the religion of Origin. If they wanted to use it to justify tyrrany tyranny and genocide... why not just *put that in the book in the first place*? It's not like Origin would be the first religion to teach that unquestioning obedience to authority, forced conversion or cruelty to non-believers are all good things: actually, some terrestrial religions have done very well for themselves, exactly *because* they provide an excuse to hurt, dominate and kill others.
** The reason, of course, is that, if you're corrupting a peaceful religion, that looks suspiciously like the holywood Hollywood version of Medievil catholicism, Medieval Catholicism, then the show becomes a message about how all religion is somewhat bad, and fundamentalism is very bad, without directly targeting anyone. If Origin's texts explicitly told you to "go forth and kill for the Ori!" the show would then appear to warn against specifically and only those religions that have that requirement (and would thus tacitly aprove approve of some religions, while scorning only the bloody ones).



** One gets the impression that Origen ''was'' a pretty peaceful religion for some time back home -- The thing that makes Vala's husband start questioning his orders is when he notices that the way the Priors are teaching it ''now'' conflicts with the way they taught it when he was a child. It may be easier to keep the faithful in line with a "good" religion for 90% of the time, and only switch over to the bloodier version when it's crusadin' time.
** Maybe the Ori, when making their religion, just felt lazy to create from wholecloth a full doctrine and it's companion religious text, so they compiled two or more previously existing religious texts and replaced all instances of "God" with "the Ori" and "heaven" or "alterlife" with "ascending" and then inserted the appropiate rituals to gather power from their followers, they didn't bother to change anything else since they didn't care for morals and knew beforehand they could always twist the meanings of the book on the spot when needed, after all the only ones cultured enough to notice any inconsistences in the book were their most devoted and fanatical followers anyway.

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** One gets the impression that Origen Origin ''was'' a pretty peaceful religion for some time back home -- The thing that makes Vala's husband start questioning his orders is when he notices that the way the Priors are teaching it ''now'' conflicts with the way they taught it when he was a child. It may be easier to keep the faithful in line with a "good" religion for 90% of the time, and only switch over to the bloodier version when it's crusadin' time.
** Maybe the Ori, when making their religion, just felt too lazy to create from wholecloth a full doctrine and it's companion religious text, so they compiled two or more previously existing religious texts and replaced all instances of "God" with "the Ori" and "heaven" or "alterlife" "afterlife" with "ascending" and then inserted the appropiate appropriate rituals to gather power from their followers, they didn't bother to change anything else since they didn't care for morals and knew beforehand they could always twist the meanings of the book on the spot when needed, after all the only ones cultured enough to notice any inconsistences inconsistencies in the book were their most devoted and fanatical followers anyway.



** I'm not sure the peaceful religion thing was intended to be taken literally. Christians frequently claim their religion is about peace, despite the bible being full of violent rhetoric. I think it was simply about the fact that as daniel put it when first confronted with the book of origin, that can be interpreted a number of ways.

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** I'm not sure the peaceful religion thing was intended to be taken literally. Christians frequently claim their religion is about peace, despite the bible Bible being full of violent rhetoric. I think it was simply about the fact that that, as daniel Daniel put it when first confronted with the book of origin, that Origin, it can be interpreted a number of ways.



** Err, no. You are basically suggesting that SGC should risk having our WHOLE PLANET DIE HORRIBLY to whatever the Goa'uld throw at it and I remind you: orbital bombardment, slavery, extinction level asteroids, exploding gates etc etc. So some people on some planet learn that not only are they not alone but also are lameassed farmers who suck. I certainly do not want to see our planet die just to protect some farming communities backwater way of viewing the world. Cant make omlette without breaking some eggs. In a fight for your life, things such as morals and principles have to go out of the window asap. Just remember how useful the technology given by that nazi race could have been in all the near doom scenarios the SGC had over the years. Especially since you can take what they have and then go dispose of them for whatever reason later on when its fitting your plans. SGC wasted a lot of chances to get tech just for morals and principles. It may have worked out well enough thanks to the incredibly luck o'neil had when budding up with the asgard. God knows this could have gone really BAD without those guys. Point in case: Wasting your chances to get vital tech is bad. Doubly so when doing it out of reason of non interference rule or some such BS.
** Telford totally calls O'Neill on this in ''Series/StargateUniverse'', but we're not supposed to take him seriously. Regardless, Stargate Command isn't like the Federation. They really are looking out for number 1, and with the Goa'uld poised to snuff out their little corner of the universe should they feel the need to, you can hardly blame them for being somewhat lax in their intereference policies. They do draw a line at helping other civilizations win wars, at least when the benefit for doing so isn't all that immediate.

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** Err, no. You are basically suggesting that SGC should risk having our WHOLE PLANET DIE HORRIBLY to whatever the Goa'uld throw at it and I remind you: orbital bombardment, slavery, extinction level asteroids, exploding gates etc etc. So some people on some planet learn that not only are they not alone alone, but also are lameassed lame-assed farmers who suck. I certainly do not want to see our planet die just to protect some farming communities communities' backwater way of viewing the world. Cant Can't make omlette an omelette without breaking some eggs. In a fight for your life, things such as morals and principles have to go out of the window asap. ASAP. Just remember how useful the technology given by that nazi Nazi race could have been in all the near doom near-doom scenarios the SGC had over the years. Especially since you can take what they have and then go dispose of them for whatever reason later on when its fitting your plans. SGC wasted a lot of chances to get tech just for morals and principles. It may have worked out well enough thanks to the incredibly incredible luck o'neil O'Neill had when budding up with befriending the asgard.Asgard. God knows this could have gone really BAD without those guys. Point Case in case: Wasting point: wasting your chances to get vital tech is bad. Doubly bad - doubly so when doing it out of reason of non interference non-interference rule or some such BS.
** Telford totally calls O'Neill on this in ''Series/StargateUniverse'', but we're not supposed to take him seriously. Regardless, Stargate Command isn't like the Federation. They really are looking out for number 1, and with the Goa'uld poised to snuff out their little corner of the universe should they feel the need to, you can hardly blame them for being somewhat lax in their intereference interference policies. They do draw a line at helping other civilizations win wars, at least when the benefit for doing so isn't all that immediate.



** Exactly! Part of the SGC's mission is to develop alliances with other worlds. So if that means "Hi medival people in castles! What say you trade us some of your naturally-occuring awesomesause medicine plants for us saving your people from an EarthShatteringKaboom? Do we have a deal?" - then the SGC has done its mission. Remeber, the Stargate program cost the U.S. taxpayers $7,407,000,000 ''per year''. It is a sizable investment of America's budget, and it is completely reasonable that the U.S. government should expect some results that would give us an edge technologically (sorry Daniel, fascinating as [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Space Egyptians, Space Minoans, Space Mongolians]], whatever, might be, they alone don't justify a military expenditure of this magnitute, [[StrawmanHasAPoint as was pointed out by Seantor Kinsey in the season 1 episode "Politics"]]). Besides, the Federation in Franchise/StarTrek can usually handily defeat most any threat thrown at it by [[TheKirk Captain Kirk]] punching an alien in the face and sleeping with [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe his woman]], or Picard diplomatically talking it out (or if it's movie Picard, pretending to be Bruce Willis). In the Franchise/StargateVerse, Earth needs whatever allies/tech we can get our Tau'ri hands on. Even planets with technologically inferior civilizations can have natural resources we could trade for, or be a location we wouldn't mind having access to (in "Enigma" we see that SGC called in a favor with the Space Minoans they saved in "The Broca Divide" and the king there was willing to offer asylum to the Tollan refugees, and again in "Family" we see Teal'c's wife and son being given refuge in the Land of Light.) Besides, since many of the worlds that SG-1 comes across have already been visited by even more advance aliens (starting with the very presence of a Stargate), a Trekkish Prime Directive would be worse than useless.
** It bugs me that the main team they send offworld contains a soldier, a military scientist, a linguist/archeologist and a Jaffa - one certain to antagonize the locals. Surely a better idea would be to send a few diplomats+ translators+ scientists with a military escort. That way they might make so damn many enemies.

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** Exactly! Part of the SGC's mission is to develop alliances with other worlds. So if that means "Hi medival medieval people in castles! What say you trade us some of your naturally-occuring naturally-occurring awesomesause medicine plants for us saving your people from an EarthShatteringKaboom? Do we have a deal?" - then the SGC has done its mission. Remeber, Remember, the Stargate program cost the U.S. taxpayers $7,407,000,000 ''per year''. It is a sizable investment of America's budget, and it is completely reasonable that the U.S. government should expect some results that would give us an edge technologically (sorry Daniel, fascinating as [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Space Egyptians, Space Minoans, Space Mongolians]], whatever, might be, they alone don't justify a military expenditure of this magnitute, magnitude, [[StrawmanHasAPoint as was pointed out by Seantor Kinsey in the season 1 episode "Politics"]]). Besides, the Federation in Franchise/StarTrek can usually handily defeat most any threat thrown at it by [[TheKirk Captain Kirk]] punching an alien in the face and sleeping with [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe his woman]], or Picard diplomatically talking it out (or if it's movie Picard, pretending to be Bruce Willis). In the Franchise/StargateVerse, Earth needs whatever allies/tech we can get our Tau'ri hands on. Even planets with technologically inferior civilizations can have natural resources we could trade for, or be a location we wouldn't mind having access to (in "Enigma" we see that SGC called in a favor with the Space Minoans they saved in "The Broca Divide" and the king there was willing to offer asylum to the Tollan refugees, and again in "Family" we see Teal'c's wife and son being given refuge in the Land of Light.) Besides, since many of the worlds that SG-1 comes across have already been visited by even more advance aliens (starting with the very presence of a Stargate), a Trekkish Prime Directive would be worse than useless.
** It bugs me that the main team they send offworld off-world contains a soldier, a military scientist, a linguist/archeologist linguist/archaeologist and a Jaffa - one certain to antagonize the locals. Surely a better idea would be to send a few diplomats+ translators+ scientists with a military escort. That way they might make so damn many enemies.



** Indeed. [=ZPMs=] are not, and never were, an limitless energy source. If fully-charged [=ZPMs=] could be run off a production line located somewhere in Atlantis at a rate of knots, then a) there'd be more of them lying around; b) it's difficult to see how the Ancients could ever have lost the war with the Wraith; and c) Project Arcturus would have been completely unnecesssary. [=ZPMs=] are used for applications that require incredibly high energy/power to weight/volume ratios, such as interstellar vessels and planetary defence platforms. It wouldn't surprise me if the mechanism for creating them wasn't a Naquadah reactor the size of a small moon that got blown up by the Wraith at the beginning of the war.

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** Indeed. [=ZPMs=] are not, and never were, an limitless energy source. If fully-charged [=ZPMs=] could be run off a production line located somewhere in Atlantis at a rate of knots, then a) there'd be more of them lying around; b) it's difficult to see how the Ancients could ever have lost the war with the Wraith; and c) Project Arcturus would have been completely unnecesssary. unnecessary. [=ZPMs=] are used for applications that require incredibly high energy/power to weight/volume ratios, such as interstellar vessels and planetary defence defense platforms. It wouldn't surprise me if the mechanism for creating them wasn't a Naquadah reactor the size of a small moon that got blown up by the Wraith at the beginning of the war.



** You don't know that they didn't. Just that they hadn't done so by the time of "Enemy Mine", which was only two years after "Failsafe". Asteroid mining is not exactly a trivial endeavour when you have ''no experience whatsoever''. And the only large space vessel that the SGC possessed by then was Prometheus, which was a warship first and foremost. It would take a fair few years to build up the infrastructure for space mining, and Earth's demand for Naquadah wasn't ''that'' great. Planetary mining was a much better bet in the medium term.

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** You don't know that they didn't. Just that they hadn't done so by the time of "Enemy Mine", which was only two years after "Failsafe". Asteroid mining is not exactly a trivial endeavour endeavor when you have ''no experience whatsoever''. And the only large space vessel that the SGC possessed by then was Prometheus, which was a warship first and foremost. It would take a fair few years to build up the infrastructure for space mining, and Earth's demand for Naquadah wasn't ''that'' great. Planetary mining was a much better bet in the medium term.



* I don't know if this is addressed anywhere else, but it just bugs me that the producers kept using the same wormhole-opening stock footage from the pilot in many episodes. Computers covered with sheets and a dark gate room can be seen from when Apophis first came through the Stargate. In some you can even see people standing close to the Stargate in one scene and then dissapear in the next scene and replaced by a computer.

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* I don't know if this is addressed anywhere else, but it just bugs me that the producers kept using the same wormhole-opening stock footage from the pilot in many episodes. Computers covered with sheets and a dark gate room can be seen from when Apophis first came through the Stargate. In some you can even see people standing close to the Stargate in one scene and then dissapear disappear in the next scene and replaced by a computer.



** I fail to see why you would need a jet engine to achieve that sort of effect. Look at the movie: The inital flush just looks like someone dropping something into water, which is then reversed. This is followed by the other end of the gate in some kind of whirlpool effect (this bit's entirely absent from the show). How do you need a bloody ''jet engine'' to do either of those?

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** I fail to see why you would need a jet engine to achieve that sort of effect. Look at the movie: The inital initial flush just looks like someone dropping something into water, which is then reversed. This is followed by the other end of the gate in some kind of whirlpool effect (this bit's entirely absent from the show). How do you need a bloody ''jet engine'' to do either of those?



** But then, wouldn't the conversation continue: "Yes, we do. It has a force field which can withstand nuclear bombardment and has enough weaponry to blow up your capital city. Now what are you going to do about it." It's not as if Russia, the US and China aren't already the dominant military powers. Any weapon in the hands of the US, China and/or Russia which doesn't prevent their countries from being annihilated by firing 100 nukes at it does not change the balance of power on Earth. There is no difference between being able to destroy your enemy's cities in 10 minutes or in 60, as long as MAD stays true. Only now, they could better enforce the ban on nuclear proliferation. A simple WaveMotionGun attack on Kim Jong Il's palace and another ship on standby to deflect any missile launch, and bam! Nuclear threat emliminated. Similar operations could be used to topple dictatorial regimes all across the globe, at a much lower cost than the present wars/peace missions. Yes, there would be a lot of rapid change, but ask yourself: would you seriously start panicking if the countries which already have enough bombs to blow up the Earth 20 times over within 2 hours get orbital death rays that can do the same thing in 5 minutes? No, I think this is standard ReedRichardsIsUseless.

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** But then, wouldn't the conversation continue: "Yes, we do. It has a force field which can withstand nuclear bombardment and has enough weaponry to blow up your capital city. Now what are you going to do about it." It's not as if Russia, the US and China aren't already the dominant military powers. Any weapon in the hands of the US, China and/or Russia which doesn't prevent their countries from being annihilated by firing 100 nukes at it does not change the balance of power on Earth. There is no difference between being able to destroy your enemy's cities in 10 minutes or in 60, as long as MAD stays true. Only now, they could better enforce the ban on nuclear proliferation. A simple WaveMotionGun attack on Kim Jong Il's palace and another ship on standby to deflect any missile launch, and bam! Bam! Nuclear threat emliminated.eliminated. Similar operations could be used to topple dictatorial regimes all across the globe, at a much lower cost than the present wars/peace missions. Yes, there would be a lot of rapid change, but ask yourself: would you seriously start panicking if the countries which already have enough bombs to blow up the Earth 20 times over within 2 hours get orbital death rays that can do the same thing in 5 minutes? No, I think this is standard ReedRichardsIsUseless.



** It's secret because things got away from them. They started, not so much in secret but in obscurity, as just a squirrelly weird science outfit. Then they got in deep, and events moved really quickly so they didn't have time to consider how to make things public. By the time they had breathing space to consider how to go public keeping secrets had become habit. Then of course they got so used to it, that they'd kept so many secrets, that any release would trigger a lot of public anger at being outright lied to for so long by the military. No matter their successes, heads may have to roll to satisfy public outrage and some of those heads would be politicians' heads. That was the whole premise behind that episode which had the documentary crew filming in the SGC, the outgoing president was trying to cover his ass for when things went public. And the longer they kept on lying and keeping secrets, the worse the bang would be when it all came to light. [=TL;DR=] version, they thought they were just keeping a little, run-of-the-mill, military secret and by the time they discovered they were keeping a mega-massive military secret that probably shouldn't be a secret it was too late.

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** It's secret because things got away from them. They started, not so much in secret but in obscurity, as just a squirrelly weird science outfit. Then they got in deep, and events moved really quickly so they didn't have time to consider how to make things public. By the time they had breathing space to consider how to go public keeping secrets had become habit. Then of course they got so used to it, that they'd kept so many secrets, that any release would trigger a lot of public anger at being outright lied to for so long by the military. No matter their successes, heads may have to roll to satisfy public outrage and some of those heads would be politicians' heads. That was the whole premise behind that episode which had the documentary crew filming in the SGC, the outgoing president was trying to cover his ass for when things went public. And the longer they kept on lying and keeping secrets, the worse the bang would be when it all came to light. [=TL;DR=] version, they thought they were just keeping a little, run-of-the-mill, military secret and by the time they discovered they were keeping a mega-massive military secret that probably shouldn't be a secret it was too late.



* I just watched the episode where O'Neil is abducted and a 16-year old clone of him left in his place. When the SG team learn of this and want to figure out what to call this clone, they decide on "Duplicate O'Neill". Within seconds of that I thought of an even harder nickname: "ClO'Neill" or (Cloneill) - I'm sure the writing staff would've thought of this too... why wouldn't they write it in?

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* I just watched the episode where O'Neil is abducted and a 16-year old clone of him left in his place. When the SG team learn of this and want to figure out what to call this clone, they decide on "Duplicate O'Neill". Within seconds of that I thought of an even harder nickname: "ClO'Neill" "Clo'Neill" or (Cloneill) - I'm sure the writing staff would've thought of this too... why wouldn't they write it in?



* What's wrong with Mitchell during "The Pegesus Project"? I know [=McKay=] isn't they easiest person in the world to get along with, but was it really neccessary to threaten him repeatedly with something he was deathly alergic to? For that matter, why did everyone else act like he was something on the bottom of their shoe?
** Holding a lemon up to him wasn't going to kill him, it's only dangerous if he actually ingests citric. Secondly one point of cross overs is to bring awareness to shows an audience may not have experienced before, so you need to show them what the new series is like. In this case, they were exagerrating a few things slightly to show SG-1 fans who hadn't seen Atlantis, that [=McKay=] was annoying yet lovable.
** First of all, Rodney looked genuinely terrified whever Mitchell brought out that lemon. Secondly, that episode doesn't portray him as lovable. It portayed the other's reactions to him as though he were still in "48 Hours".

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* What's wrong with Mitchell during "The Pegesus Pegasus Project"? I know [=McKay=] isn't they easiest person in the world to get along with, but was it really neccessary necessary to threaten him repeatedly with something he was deathly alergic allergic to? For that matter, why did everyone else act like he was something on the bottom of their shoe?
** Holding a lemon up to him wasn't going to kill him, it's only dangerous if he actually ingests citric. Secondly one point of cross overs is to bring awareness to shows an audience may not have experienced before, so you need to show them what the new series is like. In this case, they were exagerrating exaggerating a few things slightly to show SG-1 fans who hadn't seen Atlantis, that [=McKay=] was annoying yet lovable.
** First of all, Rodney looked genuinely terrified whever whenever Mitchell brought out that lemon. Secondly, that episode doesn't portray him as lovable. It portayed portrayed the other's reactions to him as though he were still in "48 Hours".



** Yes, it most likely would have helped. Even annoying people appreciate being ressured that not everyone on the planet is out to get them. And yes, the blame should fall on Sheppard as well.
** "Rodney looked genuinely terrified whever Mitchell brought out that lemon." Well, Rodney can be a bit neurotic. It's possible he overreacted.
** There's an even greater possibility that it was an icredably tasteless joke.

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** Yes, it most likely would have helped. Even annoying people appreciate being ressured reassured that not everyone on the planet is out to get them. And yes, the blame should fall on Sheppard as well.
** "Rodney looked genuinely terrified whever whenever Mitchell brought out that lemon." Well, Rodney can be a bit neurotic. It's possible he overreacted.
** There's an even greater possibility that it was an icredably incredibly tasteless joke.



** It's not exactly on the up and up to have started no less than three ''seperate'' interstellar/intergalactic wars, either. As far as US law goes, you can handwave it as only applying to Earth and call it a day. Or national security concerns. Really, as long as the entire project is secret, they can get away with a lot.

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** It's not exactly on the up and up to have started no less than three ''seperate'' ''separate'' interstellar/intergalactic wars, either. As far as US law goes, you can handwave it as only applying to Earth and call it a day. Or national security concerns. Really, as long as the entire project is secret, they can get away with a lot.



** Maybe they keep names. Maybe their databse goes like this: Code(Pxx-xxx)-(Adress)-(Native name)-(Explored?)-(Owner)-(Notes). So, when you search for [[http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Langara Langara]], you get all the data, like ([=P2S=]-4C3)-(symbols)-(Langara)-(Yes)-(Langarans)-(Has Naquadria). It's like a library!

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** Maybe they keep names. Maybe their databse database goes like this: Code(Pxx-xxx)-(Adress)-(Native name)-(Explored?)-(Owner)-(Notes). So, when you search for [[http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Langara Langara]], you get all the data, like ([=P2S=]-4C3)-(symbols)-(Langara)-(Yes)-(Langarans)-(Has Naquadria). It's like a library!



** However, there are a number of planets that apparently have been forgotten by the Goa'uld and left in peace for centuries, yet they show no sign of technical development. If things start progressing on such places, I do not see how the Goa'uld could notice anything before they get to the lever of developing something like wireless radio transmitters. (Even if you were sitting on the Moon, how could you observe anything about the level of technology on Earth before circa 1850?) Not to mention there's also several planets where the humans are free from the Goa'uld, yet they habitually use technology left behind by them or other spacefaring species, and those escape notice as well.

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** However, there are a number of planets that apparently have been forgotten by the Goa'uld and left in peace for centuries, yet they show no sign of technical development. If things start progressing on such places, I do not see how the Goa'uld could notice anything before they get to the lever of developing something like wireless radio transmitters. (Even if you were sitting on the Moon, how could you observe anything about the level of technology on Earth before circa 1850?) Not to mention there's also several planets where the humans are free from the Goa'uld, yet they habitually use technology left behind by them or other spacefaring space-faring species, and those escape notice as well.



** And on the note of significantly smaller populations - why? The settlements we see usually range in population from a couple dozen to 1,000 - how does that small of a population sustain any semblance of a civilization and not inbreed itself into retardation? I mean if there's one thing humans love to do, it's each other! A population cycle can generally sustain a healthy genetic dicversity and stave off overpopulation if there is a balance between babies born and older people dying from whatever causes. One explanation I can see is that Goa'uld come to periodically purge the excess population, to keep them in line and prevent them from growing strong enough to rebel (kinda how the Spartans of ancient Greece would have yearly slave-hunts for that very reason, as well as train young Spartans in killing).

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** And on the note of significantly smaller populations - why? The settlements we see usually range in population from a couple dozen to 1,000 - how does that small of a population sustain any semblance of a civilization and not inbreed itself into retardation? I mean if there's one thing humans love to do, it's each other! A population cycle can generally sustain a healthy genetic dicversity diversity and stave off overpopulation if there is a balance between babies born and older people dying from whatever causes. One explanation I can see is that Goa'uld come to periodically purge the excess population, to keep them in line and prevent them from growing strong enough to rebel (kinda how the Spartans of ancient Greece would have yearly slave-hunts for that very reason, as well as train young Spartans in killing).



** The holograms they've sometimes used to appear as Vikings in battle armour may act more violent and drunken as a way to keep people from guessing that the real Asgard weren't like that.

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** The holograms they've sometimes used to appear as Vikings in battle armour armor may act more violent and drunken as a way to keep people from guessing that the real Asgard weren't like that.



** More important than being violent and drunk, the Asgard are noble, fair, benevolent, and just. The mythological Norse Gods all have their warrior aspects, but above that they are noble. They treat humans with respect and honor, and place a big emphasis on personal growth and responsibility (just like our favorite grey clones.) The warrior aspects were likely either designed to promote humans being able to stand up to the Goa'uld (one Asgard worshipper tells a Goa'uld to his face that "Thor taught us to stand as equals!") and the drunkeness may just because humans like doing that already, so rationalized that their "gods" must like doing it, too.

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** More important than being violent and drunk, the Asgard are noble, fair, benevolent, and just. The mythological Norse Gods all have their warrior aspects, but above that they are noble. They treat humans with respect and honor, and place a big emphasis on personal growth and responsibility (just like our favorite grey clones.) The warrior aspects were likely either designed to promote humans being able to stand up to the Goa'uld (one Asgard worshipper worshiper tells a Goa'uld to his face that "Thor taught us to stand as equals!") and the drunkeness drunkenness may just because humans like doing that already, so rationalized that their "gods" must like doing it, too.



** He was interpreting the Egyptian myths from a modern perspective. While the Ancient Egyptians believed their gods were benevolent and depicted them as such in their legends, by modern standards they were cruel and despotic. Whereas the Norse gods (particularly Thor) were not. Also remember that in the Stargate continuity, ancient Egypt was actually the seat of Ra's Goa'uld empire, and we all know the various dickish things the Egyptians got up to. Slavery, wars of aggression and conquest, ethnic cleansings, etc. If you accept the show's premise that ancient Egypt was the seat of Goa'uld power on Earth, then you have to conclude that these things were specifically ordered by the Goa'uld. Thor, by contrast, did not demand that his followers perform grueling labors or enslave/wipe out their neighbors. (Though I will admit that Daniel was interpreting Norse mythology somewhat liberally.)

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** He was interpreting the Egyptian myths from a modern perspective. While the Ancient Egyptians believed their gods were benevolent and depicted them as such in their legends, by modern standards they were cruel and despotic. Whereas the Norse gods (particularly Thor) were not. Also remember that in the Stargate continuity, ancient Egypt was actually the seat of Ra's Goa'uld empire, and we all know the various dickish things the Egyptians got up to. Slavery, wars of aggression and conquest, ethnic cleansings, cleansing, etc. If you accept the show's premise that ancient Egypt was the seat of Goa'uld power on Earth, then you have to conclude that these things were specifically ordered by the Goa'uld. Thor, by contrast, did not demand that his followers perform grueling labors or enslave/wipe out their neighbors. (Though I will admit that Daniel was interpreting Norse mythology somewhat liberally.)



* This one has ALWAYS bugged me about Stargate: Why would worlds where the inhabitants know how to use the Stargate be less advanced than Earth? The modernization of our world has been largely due to the trade in technology and information between countries. How could this not take place when groups of humans (that can apparently easily communicate) travel betweens PLANETS? This is at its most ridiculous on ''Series/StargateAtlantis''.

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* This one has ALWAYS bugged me about Stargate: Why would worlds where the inhabitants know how to use the Stargate be less advanced than Earth? The modernization of our world has been largely due to the trade in technology and information between countries. How could this not take place when groups of humans (that can apparently easily communicate) travel betweens between PLANETS? This is at its most ridiculous on ''Series/StargateAtlantis''.



* The idea that the ancient humans on earth could successfully rebel against the Goa'uld in the first place is effectively destroyed by the series, especially by the episode ''Moebius''. In the original film, we see only Ra, his Pyramid ship, a couple of death-gliders and perhaps a dozen guards. We do not see him in possession of a true army at all. Upon critical inspection, Ra appears to be a spacefaring conman with some extremely advanced weaponry and a handful indoctrinated soldiers to back up his charade. The film really expects us to take this at face value: Ra has no empire of worlds, only Abydos and formerly the Earth. The TV series blows this out of the water by introducing an entire Goa'uld hierarchy of tyrants, all who controlled parts of Earth around the same time in history. All with powerful spaceships that could by themselves, bombard any civilian population into submission. The episode "Moebius" takes us back to Ra's pre-rebellion days in Egypt and we see him in command of an entire army of Jaffa policing his capital city, directly contradicting the flashbacks in the original film where he had perhaps a few guards and the power of intimidation as his main weapon. Since Ra was retconned to have this army, we can reasonably conclude that the other Goa'uld system lords had similar armies at their command around the same time. So how the hell did the humans successfully rebel? Ra could have threatened to wipe out all their newborn infants and had the muscle to back it up if he wanted to maintain order.

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* The idea that the ancient humans on earth could successfully rebel against the Goa'uld in the first place is effectively destroyed by the series, especially by the episode ''Moebius''. In the original film, we see only Ra, his Pyramid ship, a couple of death-gliders and perhaps a dozen guards. We do not see him in possession of a true army at all. Upon critical inspection, Ra appears to be a spacefaring space-faring conman with some extremely advanced weaponry and a handful indoctrinated soldiers to back up his charade. The film really expects us to take this at face value: Ra has no empire of worlds, only Abydos and formerly the Earth. The TV series blows this out of the water by introducing an entire Goa'uld hierarchy of tyrants, all who controlled parts of Earth around the same time in history. All with powerful spaceships that could by themselves, bombard any civilian population into submission. The episode "Moebius" takes us back to Ra's pre-rebellion days in Egypt and we see him in command of an entire army of Jaffa policing his capital city, directly contradicting the flashbacks in the original film where he had perhaps a few guards and the power of intimidation as his main weapon. Since Ra was retconned to have this army, we can reasonably conclude that the other Goa'uld system lords had similar armies at their command around the same time. So how the hell did the humans successfully rebel? Ra could have threatened to wipe out all their newborn infants and had the muscle to back it up if he wanted to maintain order.



** You say "Ra could have threatened to wipe out all their newborn infants and had the muscle to back it up if he wanted to maintain order." He could have, but it's conceivable that the majority of said "manpower" were simply on the OTHER side of the rebellion. Or the rebellion could have happened while he was gone. As for the difference in the size of his army, you do realise that there are thousands of years between the two events you are discussing? Completely possible things changed a little during that rather notable time gap.

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** You say "Ra could have threatened to wipe out all their newborn infants and had the muscle to back it up if he wanted to maintain order." He could have, but it's conceivable that the majority of said "manpower" were simply on the OTHER side of the rebellion. Or the rebellion could have happened while he was gone. As for the difference in the size of his army, you do realise realize that there are thousands of years between the two events you are discussing? Completely possible things changed a little during that rather notable time gap.



** True, but they weren't getting into prolonged ground attack/defense situations very often. Most of the SGC missions are small exploration teams. Notice how at the first sign of trouble O'Neall would almost always order the team to retreat through the Stargate. They weren't equipped for ground assaults and the show doesn't pretend like they are.

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** True, but they weren't getting into prolonged ground attack/defense situations very often. Most of the SGC missions are small exploration teams. Notice how at the first sign of trouble O'Neall O'Neill would almost always order the team to retreat through the Stargate. They weren't equipped for ground assaults and the show doesn't pretend like they are.



** Forgive my military naievette, but is the Army really geared for such small-scale operations? SG teams are usually four-to-six people, does the Army routinely operate in groups that small, with no additional mechanized support? Or does it make more sense to use Marines in that role? Please note that I'm making no claims about one branch being superior to another, or implying that one branch has CripplingOverspecialization, just curious.

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** Forgive my military naievette, naivete, but is the Army really geared for such small-scale operations? SG teams are usually four-to-six people, does the Army routinely operate in groups that small, with no additional mechanized support? Or does it make more sense to use Marines in that role? Please note that I'm making no claims about one branch being superior to another, or implying that one branch has CripplingOverspecialization, just curious.



* Why does US keep whole Stargate program secret? I can understand it at first, since of course they want best tech and such, but after it becomes clear that Goa'uld are a threat to Earth wouldn't it be better to tell it about to UN? And why is, even after its existance is revealed, whole thing run mainly by US? Considering whole planet is danger this seems like yet another AmericaSavesTheDay with everyone else being useless.

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* Why does US keep whole Stargate program secret? I can understand it at first, since of course they want best tech and such, but after it becomes clear that Goa'uld are a threat to Earth wouldn't it be better to tell it about to UN? And why is, even after its existance existence is revealed, whole thing run mainly by US? Considering whole planet is danger this seems like yet another AmericaSavesTheDay with everyone else being useless.



** Also, it seems her abilities can target males on a biological level, regardless of an individual's sexual orientation, be it to deviate from biologiaclly intended heterosexual relationships or to abstain from any sex whatsoever. She could probably walk into the Vatican and have the Pope and the cardinals drooling all over her. It doesn't seem too much of a stretch to assume that her powers work on anyone with an "Y" chromosome, what with all her talk of the "code of life" (DNA).
** So in short, even men who ''are'' gay would not be immune to the epic womanly wiles of Hathor and her Goa'uld vagenda. And if a member of SGC *did* show immunity for such a reason, he would have had quite a bit of explaining to do, as Don't Ask, Don't Tell was still in effect back then.
* It bugged me, that Stargate SG-1 was the most militaristic show I've seen. Almost everyone with an American uniform was good and noble. Almost all human villains were distinctly civilian. Senator Cox made all valid arguments when he was first brought in. About the undemocratic, secretive nature of the SGC. But he was villainified immediately. SG-1 was visiting friendly worlds - they'd been there before, nothing hostile, they are INVITED back- with their P90s dangling in front of them, often even holding them at the trigger. What kind of diplomatic behavior is that? How would it have looked if the Tok'ra always came armed to the teeth? But wait, everybody always had to give up their weapons at the SGC.

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** Also, it seems her abilities can target males on a biological level, regardless of an individual's sexual orientation, be it to deviate from biologiaclly biologically intended heterosexual relationships or to abstain from any sex whatsoever. She could probably walk into the Vatican and have the Pope and the cardinals drooling all over her. It doesn't seem too much of a stretch to assume that her powers work on anyone with an "Y" chromosome, what with all her talk of the "code of life" (DNA).
** So in short, even men who ''are'' gay would not be immune to the epic womanly wiles of Hathor and her Goa'uld vagenda.agenda. And if a member of SGC *did* show immunity for such a reason, he would have had quite a bit of explaining to do, as Don't Ask, Don't Tell was still in effect back then.
* It bugged me, that Stargate SG-1 was the most militaristic show I've seen. Almost everyone with an American uniform was good and noble. Almost all human villains were distinctly civilian. Senator Cox made all valid arguments when he was first brought in. About the undemocratic, secretive nature of the SGC. But he was villainified painted as a villain immediately. SG-1 was visiting friendly worlds - they'd been there before, nothing hostile, they are INVITED back- with their P90s dangling in front of them, often even holding them at the trigger. What kind of diplomatic behavior is that? How would it have looked if the Tok'ra always came armed to the teeth? But wait, everybody always had to give up their weapons at the SGC.



** And regarding the "always armed to the teeth thing". '''One:''' Holding a gun by the handle is just the standard way in which a modern rifle is carried. Why? Because it's ''safer'' than any other method. You don't want to be walking around with a P90 or an [=MP5=] or, god forbid, an M16 swinging freely from a shoulder strap. It's just plain unsafe. Also, they don't grip their guns "by the trigger". I always remember them holding their guns with their fingers off the trigger outside of combat, aka "safety position". '''Two:''' Visitors to the SGC often DO show up armed. Most of the time the Tokra are visibly carrying zat guns strapped to their hips. And every single time a contingent of friendly Jaffa visits Earth they step out of the gate with staff weapons in hand.

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** And regarding the "always armed to the teeth thing". '''One:''' Holding a gun by the handle is just the standard way in which a modern rifle is carried. Why? Because it's ''safer'' than any other method. You don't want to be walking around with a P90 or an [=MP5=] or, god forbid, an M16 swinging freely from a shoulder strap. It's just plain unsafe. Also, they don't grip their guns "by the trigger". I always remember them holding their guns with their fingers off the trigger outside of combat, aka "safety position". '''Two:''' Visitors to the SGC often DO show up armed. Most of the time the Tokra Tok'ra are visibly carrying zat guns strapped to their hips. And every single time a contingent of friendly Jaffa visits Earth they step out of the gate with staff weapons in hand.



* Ra was the Supreme System Lord from basically the time he found earth until the first movie. Too hold onto that power for so long, he must have had one hell of an army. In the series, why don't we ever see any of his Jaffa? Or really, anything left of his legacy? Worlds he formerly ruled, tech he designed, etc. We get that one episode where Anubis wants the Eye of Ra, and that's it. Presumably many of his Jaffa were killed by rival Goulad when Ra was killed, but surely not all of them. And it's been shown that sometimes conquered Gould enter the service of their "new god." Or, how about many of his Jaffa join with the rebels because they now know that the Gould are not gods? That would have been interesting! A large portion of the Free Jaffa High Council could have had the symbol for Ra tattooed on their heads. But no! We never hear anything about this supposedly amazing Gould. It just bugs me.
** A few possibilities here. One: When Ra was killed by the Tauri his Jaffa may have been absorbed into the armies of other System Lords (and had their head tattoos remade to reflect their new allegiance), hunted down and killed by Goa'uld who opposed Ra, or committed honorable suicide when they heard of Ra's death. Two: It's possible Ra's army was made up of Jaffa donated from other System Lords. In Japan during the Edo period the shogunate instituted a policy known as sankin kōtai. Among other things, it required every daimyo to contribute a certain number of soldiers to the defense of the capital city. Ra could have done something similar, requiring every System Lord to contribute a certain number of Jaffa warriors to Ra's personal army. It would not only explain why we never saw any Jaffa with Ra's symbol on their foreheads but also why the Jaffa in the movie all wore different helmets. Lastly, and I admit this is purely an attempt at FridgeBrilliance on my part, it's possible Ra's dominance over the System Lords was based not on military might but on control of the Stargate system. Consider the following:\\

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* Ra was the Supreme System Lord from basically the time he found earth until the first movie. Too hold onto that power for so long, he must have had one hell of an army. In the series, why don't we ever see any of his Jaffa? Or really, anything left of his legacy? Worlds he formerly ruled, tech he designed, etc. We get that one episode where Anubis wants the Eye of Ra, and that's it. Presumably many of his Jaffa were killed by rival Goulad Goa'uld when Ra was killed, but surely not all of them. And it's been shown that sometimes conquered Gould enter the service of their "new god." Or, how about many of his Jaffa join with the rebels because they now know that the Gould Goa'uld are not gods? That would have been interesting! A large portion of the Free Jaffa High Council could have had the symbol for Ra tattooed on their heads. But no! We never hear anything about this supposedly amazing Gould.Goa'uld. It just bugs me.
** A few possibilities here. One: When Ra was killed by the Tauri Tau'ri his Jaffa may have been absorbed into the armies of other System Lords (and had their head tattoos remade to reflect their new allegiance), hunted down and killed by Goa'uld who opposed Ra, or committed honorable suicide when they heard of Ra's death. Two: It's possible Ra's army was made up of Jaffa donated from other System Lords. In Japan during the Edo period the shogunate instituted a policy known as sankin kōtai. Among other things, it required every daimyo to contribute a certain number of soldiers to the defense of the capital city. Ra could have done something similar, requiring every System Lord to contribute a certain number of Jaffa warriors to Ra's personal army. It would not only explain why we never saw any Jaffa with Ra's symbol on their foreheads but also why the Jaffa in the movie all wore different helmets. Lastly, and I admit this is purely an attempt at FridgeBrilliance on my part, it's possible Ra's dominance over the System Lords was based not on military might but on control of the Stargate system. Consider the following:\\



3. The cartouche data exists only on Abydos and nowhere else. We know this partly because it's implied by the above, and partly because every System Lord has their own list of worlds known only to them. If every System Lord had access to every gate address charted by the Goa'uld then wars between rival System Lords would consist solely of a race to see who could dial up the other's homeworld and toss a planet-cracking bomb through first.\\

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3. The cartouche data exists only on Abydos and nowhere else. We know this partly because it's implied by the above, and partly because every System Lord has their own list of worlds known only to them. If every System Lord had access to every gate address charted by the Goa'uld then wars between rival System Lords would consist solely of a race to see who could dial up the other's homeworld home world and toss a planet-cracking bomb through first.\\



So if gate travel is the foundation of the Goa'uld Empire, the Abydos cartouche lists every Stargate known to the Goa'uld, the cartouche data exists only on Abydos, and Ra has exclusive control of the planet Abydos, then Ra essentially has total control of the entire Goa'uld Empire! He has the gate address of ''every single planet'' in the Goa'uld Empire (save for the ones without a Stargate but the Goa'uld generally aren't interested in those). As stated above, this is something that no other Goa'uld in the galaxy has. By carefully controlling Goa'uld knowledge of the gate system, Ra can control the entire Goa'uld Empire. If another System Lord displeased Ra he could see to it that that System Lord's enemies "discovered" the address to his homeworld or his main source(s) of Naquadah. Additionally, if Ra charted the gate addresses himself (I don't know if this is ever confirmed or denied outright) then there could be hundreds, thousands, or even millions of planets with Stargates that ''only he knows about''. He could use these secret planets as hidden caches of resources or technology, or dole out the addresses of valuable planets (i.e. ones rich in Naquadah) to Goa'uld who serve him faithfully. Knowledge, as they say, is power, and Ra's knowledge is supreme.\\

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So if gate travel is the foundation of the Goa'uld Empire, the Abydos cartouche lists every Stargate known to the Goa'uld, the cartouche data exists only on Abydos, and Ra has exclusive control of the planet Abydos, then Ra essentially has total control of the entire Goa'uld Empire! He has the gate address of ''every single planet'' in the Goa'uld Empire (save for the ones without a Stargate but the Goa'uld generally aren't interested in those). As stated above, this is something that no other Goa'uld in the galaxy has. By carefully controlling Goa'uld knowledge of the gate system, Ra can control the entire Goa'uld Empire. If another System Lord displeased Ra he could see to it that that System Lord's enemies "discovered" the address to his homeworld home world or his main source(s) of Naquadah. Additionally, if Ra charted the gate addresses himself (I don't know if this is ever confirmed or denied outright) then there could be hundreds, thousands, or even millions of planets with Stargates that ''only he knows about''. He could use these secret planets as hidden caches of resources or technology, or dole out the addresses of valuable planets (i.e. ones rich in Naquadah) to Goa'uld who serve him faithfully. Knowledge, as they say, is power, and Ra's knowledge is supreme.\\



* "Disclosure" was all about Great Britain, China and France learning of the existance of the Stargate program. Russia had already found out earlier. Later when Anibus attacks Earth at the end of season 7 the U.S. President tells some poeple to inform Britian, Russia, France, China and CANADA of the attack. When exactly did Canada become aware of the Stargate program? NORAD command IS Cheyanne mountain and is a joint Canadian U.S. venture. It is usually what picks up incoming alien space craft. In the early seasons they explicitly said NORAD has picked up such and such. As time went by they stopped stating how they were detecting things. So was Canada in on the whole program since day one? If so, why not invite them to the meeting in "Disclosure"? and why does no-one ever talk about the Canadian's interest in the program? Rodney makes a point of mentioning he's Canadian several times but that does not neccesarily mean the Canadian government was aware of the programs existence.

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* "Disclosure" was all about Great Britain, China and France learning of the existance existence of the Stargate program. Russia had already found out earlier. Later when Anibus Anubis attacks Earth at the end of season 7 the U.S. President tells some poeple people to inform Britian, Britain, Russia, France, China and CANADA of the attack. When exactly did Canada become aware of the Stargate program? NORAD command IS Cheyanne mountain Cheyenne Mountain and is a joint Canadian U.Canadian-U.S. venture. It is usually what picks up incoming alien space craft. In the early seasons they explicitly said NORAD has picked up such and such. As time went by they stopped stating how they were detecting things. So was Canada in on the whole program since day one? If so, why not invite them to the meeting in "Disclosure"? and why does no-one ever talk about the Canadian's interest in the program? Rodney makes a point of mentioning he's Canadian several times but that does not neccesarily necessarily mean the Canadian government was aware of the programs existence.



b) If Canada already knew, it may have been politically prudent for them to not attend the meeting as (China in particular) may see two countries secretly gaining a perceived military benefit as more threatening that US having kept it a secret from EVERYONE. If Canada had been informed prior to the Disclosure episode it would lend credence to the argument that the real reason the US kept secret from other countries was partisan and strategic for its own ends and not for the 'defence of the planet' as a whole. As in "we'll tell the people who have similar cultural background and ideology but not the Red Menace."

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b) If Canada already knew, it may have been politically prudent for them to not attend the meeting as (China in particular) may see two countries secretly gaining a perceived military benefit as more threatening that US having kept it a secret from EVERYONE. If Canada had been informed prior to the Disclosure episode it would lend credence to the argument that the real reason the US kept secret from other countries was partisan and strategic for its own ends and not for the 'defence 'defense of the planet' as a whole. As in "we'll tell the people who have similar cultural background and ideology but not the Red Menace."



d) Canada was not informed until Annubis was flying overhead. Certainly not officially. The four countries that were invited to the meeting are, along with the US, the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council; so, it could be reasonable for the US to inform those 4 and not include its NORAD buddy. Therefore, Canada was not at the meeting. Faced with imminent attack, the President wanted our firepower -- forget Ghostbusters "Who're you gonna call? --- Vimy Takers!"



* Once upon a time the Asgard were humanoid aliens who reproduced sexually. Nowadays they are incapable of old-fashioned conception and reproduce exclusively through cloning, each generation of clone being more degraded than the one before it. How exactly does a problem like this originate? Why do the cloning thing in the first place?

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d) Canada was not informed until Annubis Anubis was flying overhead. Certainly not officially. The four countries that were invited to the meeting are, along with the US, the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council; so, it could be reasonable for the US to inform those 4 and not include its NORAD buddy. Therefore, Canada was not at the meeting. Faced with imminent attack, the President wanted our firepower -- forget Ghostbusters "Who're you gonna call? --- Vimy Takers!"



* Once upon a time time, the Asgard were humanoid aliens who reproduced sexually. Nowadays they are incapable of old-fashioned conception and reproduce exclusively through cloning, each generation of clone being more degraded than the one before it. How exactly does a problem like this originate? Why do the cloning thing in the first place?



* In "Ripple Effect" - alternate quantum states do not have a separate spacetime and therefore can't connect through each other through a tear in spacetime (also known as a "wormhole").

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* In "Ripple Effect" - alternate quantum states do not have a separate spacetime space-time and therefore can't connect through each other through a tear in spacetime space-time (also known as a "wormhole").



** O'Neil having spent so much of his life as a career military guy, I assumed that he was offended and was going to tell Michael off for dodging the draft.

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** O'Neil O'Neill having spent so much of his life as a career military guy, I assumed that he was offended and was going to tell Michael off for dodging the draft.



** It may have been a wise move by the writer - keeping what O'Neil wanted to say quiet so it could have been either, depending on the viewer.

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** It may have been a wise move by the writer - keeping what O'Neil O'Neill wanted to say quiet so it could have been either, depending on the viewer.



* In "2001" they give the Aschen addresses to dangerous Stargates, "first one being a black hole and all. They get progressively darker from there." Given what happens when you dial a Stargate orbiting a black hole, how could ''anything'' be considered worse than that? Furthermore, given that dialing such a Stargate would result in the destruction of the planet that dialed it, isn't that basically committing genocide? Either the Aschen dialed it from one of their vassal worlds, causing the deaths of untold numbers of innocents, or they dialed it from the Aschen homeworld, killing untold numbers of innocents and a lot of bad guys too. Why not just give them addresses to a dead world or a Goa'uld stronghold? Giving them an address that's guaranteed (barring the Aschen doing what SG-1 did) to destroy the planet just seems like a really dick move for O'Neill/Hammond/whoever to do.
** If the SGC was ''just'' capable of surviving an encounter with a black hole when they dialled the gate, maybe the figured the technologically superior Aschen would be fine too.

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* In "2001" they give the Aschen addresses to dangerous Stargates, "first one being a black hole and all. They get progressively darker from there." Given what happens when you dial a Stargate orbiting a black hole, how could ''anything'' be considered worse than that? Furthermore, given that dialing such a Stargate would result in the destruction of the planet that dialed it, isn't that basically committing genocide? Either the Aschen dialed it from one of their vassal worlds, causing the deaths of untold numbers of innocents, or they dialed it from the Aschen homeworld, home world, killing untold numbers of innocents and a lot of bad guys too. Why not just give them addresses to a dead world or a Goa'uld stronghold? Giving them an address that's guaranteed (barring the Aschen doing what SG-1 did) to destroy the planet just seems like a really dick move for O'Neill/Hammond/whoever to do.
** If the SGC was ''just'' capable of surviving an encounter with a black hole when they dialled dialed the gate, maybe the figured the technologically superior Aschen would be fine too.



* The ''Moebius'' timeline vs. the ''Continuum'' one. In the ''Moebius'' timeline the gate was never discovered. In ''Continuum'' it was discovered then lost at sea not long after. It makes sense that Daniel is a loser and Carter worked in aerospace in both timelines, but why would Carter be completelty spineless in ''Moebius'' yet basically unchanged in ''Continuum''? (We all know that if not for the Stargate program she would have been an astronaut.) Jack's son was still alive in the ''Continuum'' timeline. Was he dead in the ''Moebius'' one? That would probably explain why he's still enlisted in ''Continuum'' and retired in''Moebius'' but how could the changes that were made to the timeline have affected something like that?

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* The ''Moebius'' timeline vs. the ''Continuum'' one. In the ''Moebius'' timeline the gate was never discovered. In ''Continuum'' it was discovered then lost at sea not long after. It makes sense that Daniel is a loser and Carter worked in aerospace in both timelines, but why would Carter be completelty completely spineless in ''Moebius'' yet basically unchanged in ''Continuum''? (We all know that if not for the Stargate program she would have been an astronaut.) Jack's son was still alive in the ''Continuum'' timeline. Was he dead in the ''Moebius'' one? That would probably explain why he's still enlisted in ''Continuum'' and retired in''Moebius'' but how could the changes that were made to the timeline have affected something like that?



** And there was the fact that the rest of the Ori were gone by this point. From the moment Adria ascended, she received the power of ''all'' the Ori worshippers in existence. It's possible that the Ancients just simply didn't have the power to stop her.

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** And there was the fact that the rest of the Ori were gone by this point. From the moment Adria ascended, she received the power of ''all'' the Ori worshippers worshipers in existence. It's possible that the Ancients just simply didn't have the power to stop her.



* How has the U.S managed to keep the Stargate program secret for years? At the end of season 7 Anubis destroyed an entire carrier strike group. ''How'' do you keep that hidden? We are talking about many thousands of dead sailors and pilots, at least a couple dozen billion dollars in destroyed ships, tens of thousands of family members who are going to start asking 'how did my spouse/parent/child/relative' die and no way you could plausibly cover it up. What about members of Congress who don't know about the Stargate project but have been asked by their constituents to find out what happened? For that matter, what about all the people looking through telescopes across the world? Did they somehow miss the sudden ships appearing in orbit or the beam of light that hit them? What about the press? Even if we assume the U.S suddenly manifested the power to silence the American press at will that doesn't explain the lack of investigations in Europe, South America, North America, Africa, the Middle East and all of Asia.

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* How has the U.S managed to keep the Stargate program secret for years? At the end of season 7 7, Anubis destroyed an entire carrier strike group. ''How'' do you keep that hidden? We are talking about many thousands of dead sailors and pilots, at least a couple dozen billion dollars in destroyed ships, tens of thousands of family members who are going to start asking 'how did my spouse/parent/child/relative' die and no way you could plausibly cover it up. What about members of Congress who don't know about the Stargate project but have been asked by their constituents to find out what happened? For that matter, what about all the people looking through telescopes across the world? Did they somehow miss the sudden ships appearing in orbit or the beam of light that hit them? What about the press? Even if we assume the U.S suddenly manifested the power to silence the American press at will that doesn't explain the lack of investigations in Europe, South America, North America, Africa, the Middle East and all of Asia.



* What, pray tell, does the Air Force tell the families of all these SG members lost on other worlds, bodies unretrievable? Sorry, your spouse/child died in service of his country. Sorry, we don't have a body to give you. Enough of those and people would begin to talk.

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* What, pray tell, does the Air Force tell the families of all these SG members lost on other worlds, bodies unretrievable? irretrievable? Sorry, your spouse/child died in service of his country. Sorry, we don't have a body to give you. Enough of those and people would begin to talk.



* It's kind of odd that with how many offworld teams there are reporting in and using the gate that SG-1 didn't get a busy signal more often. I mean most of us are on our telephones a comparatively small percentage of the day yet we still get busy signals and several people trying to call at once. There has to have been an SG team in trouble and in desperate need to get back NOW who lost their lives because it was a busy time at the SGC.

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* It's kind of odd that with how many offworld off-world teams there are reporting in and using the gate that SG-1 didn't get a busy signal more often. I mean most of us are on our telephones a comparatively small percentage of the day yet we still get busy signals and several people trying to call at once. There has to have been an SG team in trouble and in desperate need to get back NOW who lost their lives because it was a busy time at the SGC.



** This one's been bothering be. It's clearly stated in both Thor's Hammer and Thor's Chariot that that world would be good for removing Sha're's Goa'uld. Even if it doesn't work in all cases, occasionally killng the host, the one test case, the shaman women, had the exact same set of circumstances as Sha're. They even had a chance to get to the Stargate while the parasite was dormant. The only explanations are: (a) lazy writing, or (b) Daniel wasn't thinking clearly.

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** This one's been bothering be. It's clearly stated in both Thor's Hammer and Thor's Chariot that that world would be good for removing Sha're's Goa'uld. Even if it doesn't work in all cases, occasionally killng killing the host, the one test case, the shaman women, had the exact same set of circumstances as Sha're. They even had a chance to get to the Stargate while the parasite was dormant. The only explanations are: (a) lazy writing, or (b) Daniel wasn't thinking clearly.



** No, it's because Goa'uld have perfect genetic memories. Every host they take, they gain access to that persons memories. Now consider what a harcesis is; a person born with the memories of two Goa'uld, who have each lived thousands of years. If Apophis had taken his own harcesis child as a host, he would have gained all the memories of his queen, as well as doubling up on his own memories. He basically would have an entire extra Goa'ulds lifetime of memories. He would know everything Amonet knows, every thought she had ever had, every feeling. For an immortal being that's probably quite an experiance. This is also exactly why harcesis are forbidden by the Goa'uld; imagine every System Lord using harcesis' as hosts all the time, doubling up on memories, learning secrets and gaining knowledge they could never aquire otherwise. Left unchecked it could upset the delicate balance of power they have set up and cause them to self destruct, so they forbid it outright.

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** No, it's because Goa'uld have perfect genetic memories. Every host they take, they gain access to that persons memories. Now consider what a harcesis is; a person born with the memories of two Goa'uld, who have each lived thousands of years. If Apophis had taken his own harcesis child as a host, he would have gained all the memories of his queen, as well as doubling up on his own memories. He basically would have an entire extra Goa'ulds lifetime of memories. He would know everything Amonet knows, every thought she had ever had, every feeling. For an immortal being that's probably quite an experiance. This is also exactly why harcesis are forbidden by the Goa'uld; imagine every System Lord using harcesis' as hosts all the time, doubling up on memories, learning secrets and gaining knowledge they could never aquire acquire otherwise. Left unchecked it could upset the delicate balance of power they have set up and cause them to self destruct, so they forbid it outright.



* As I understand it the SG and Atlantis recon teams are designed thus: there is a commander (O'Neill, Mitchell, Shepperd) a scientist (Carter,Mckay) to operate any alien technology they may come across, occasionally a linguist (Jackson) to better communicate with alien races and one or more fire support officers (Teal'c, Ronan) who exist to fight and protect the team from aggressors - fine, all perfectly reasonable and logical additions... so why aren't these teams equipped with a permanent medic? I could list at least two dozen occasions in which SG-1 or AT-1 having a fully equipped field medic on board would have not only saved scores of Tauri personnel, but that of the Tokra, free Jaffa and countless native civilizations that have been injured throughout the course of he show. As things stand, currently their only recourse in the event of injury is to either waste time limping back to the Stargate/waiting for beam out if it's in orbit (and only then if it's beyond series 5) or interrupting whatever Beckett or Fraiser are doing. There is literally no reason why these otherwise perfectly practical and realistic military teams are missing someone in charge of tending to their battle injuries. Ironically, despite the questionable military tactics of Starfleet Away Teams, this is one of the only things they get right by constantly beaming down Mccoy.

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* As I understand it the SG and Atlantis recon teams are designed thus: there is a commander (O'Neill, Mitchell, Shepperd) a scientist (Carter,Mckay) to operate any alien technology they may come across, occasionally a linguist (Jackson) to better communicate with alien races and one or more fire support officers (Teal'c, Ronan) who exist to fight and protect the team from aggressors - fine, all perfectly reasonable and logical additions... so why aren't these teams equipped with a permanent medic? I could list at least two dozen occasions in which SG-1 or AT-1 having a fully equipped field medic on board would have not only saved scores of Tauri personnel, but that of the Tokra, Tok'ra, free Jaffa and countless native civilizations that have been injured throughout the course of he show. As things stand, currently their only recourse in the event of injury is to either waste time limping back to the Stargate/waiting for beam out if it's in orbit (and only then if it's beyond series 5) or interrupting whatever Beckett or Fraiser are doing. There is literally no reason why these otherwise perfectly practical and realistic military teams are missing someone in charge of tending to their battle injuries. Ironically, despite the questionable military tactics of Starfleet Away Teams, this is one of the only things they get right by constantly beaming down Mccoy.McCoy.



** Some Tollan escaped, but it's not known if we know where they escaped to. Why humans didn't investigate the ruins is unknown, though Anumbus may have simply laid waste to the city completely.

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** Some Tollan escaped, but it's not known if we know where they escaped to. Why humans didn't investigate the ruins is unknown, though Anumbus Anubis may have simply laid waste to the city completely.



** The Stargate is 6.7 meters in diameter, that's plenty of room for any ground vehicle to be driven through. The real reason why they don't have extensive military hardware deployed via the Stargate or 302s is because that's ''way'' beyond the show's budget. The producers probably thought of it but decided it's better to show than tell by have Carter report on the epic tank battles offworld.

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** The Stargate is 6.7 meters in diameter, that's plenty of room for any ground vehicle to be driven through. The real reason why they don't have extensive military hardware deployed via the Stargate or 302s is because that's ''way'' beyond the show's budget. The producers probably thought of it but decided it's better to show than tell by have Carter report on the epic tank battles offworld.off-world.



** The SGC is a repurposed nuclear missile facility and the gate room itself is at the bottom of the main missile silo. If you can fit a nuclear missile in there, you can fit a tank in there.

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** The SGC is a repurposed re-purposed nuclear missile facility and the gate room itself is at the bottom of the main missile silo. If you can fit a nuclear missile in there, you can fit a tank in there.



* So; humans evolved millions of years before we previously believed in a different galaxy and then travelled to Earth, died out and eventually became what we would consider modern humans. OK fine. So how do they explain the Neanderthal in the Stargate universe? as it stands, the Ancients who are identical to Homo sapiens in everything but the ATA gene and increased mental capabilities, either came to this planet and murdered/stood by as the entire Neanderthal race went extinct OR evolved from Homo sapiens into Neanderthal and then back into Homo sapiens again - and lets not even get into the fact that there are literally dozens of other genus of human that have also evolved and gone extinct. On that note, how do they explain the massive genetic similarities between Apes (an Earth animal) and humans (who evolved billion of light years away)... did they bring the Ape from the Alteran galaxy with them?

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* So; humans evolved millions of years before we previously believed in a different galaxy and then travelled traveled to Earth, died out and eventually became what we would consider modern humans. OK fine. So how do they explain the Neanderthal in the Stargate universe? as it stands, the Ancients who are identical to Homo sapiens in everything but the ATA gene and increased mental capabilities, either came to this planet and murdered/stood by as the entire Neanderthal race went extinct OR evolved from Homo sapiens into Neanderthal and then back into Homo sapiens again - and lets not even get into the fact that there are literally dozens of other genus of human that have also evolved and gone extinct. On that note, how do they explain the massive genetic similarities between Apes (an Earth animal) and humans (who evolved billion of light years away)... did they bring the Ape from the Alteran galaxy with them?



* So matter can only move one-way through a stable wormhole but energy can move both ways right? That's how they are able to use their radios to communicate with whoevers on the other side. The [=SGC=] was able to send an [=EMP=] through the gate in "Redemption" and we know gravity can as well thanks to the black hole incident. Then there are the Asgard holograms. So what else can travel boths ways through an open wormhole? Lasers? The energy blasts from a staff weapon? Could plain old sunlight go either way through the wormhole?

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* So matter can only move one-way through a stable wormhole but energy can move both ways right? That's how they are able to use their radios to communicate with whoevers whoever is on the other side. The [=SGC=] was able to send an [=EMP=] through the gate in "Redemption" and we know gravity can as well thanks to the black hole incident. Then there are the Asgard holograms. So what else can travel boths both ways through an open wormhole? Lasers? The energy blasts from a staff weapon? Could plain old sunlight go either way through the wormhole?



** No, we never learned their politics. My (personal) belief is that Henry Hayes was a Republican due to the ([[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement maybe correct, maybe flawed]]) perception that all religious Christians are Republicans and Kinsey, his running mate, was a frequent spouter of semi-fundamentalist rhetoric, but that is just supposition based on how political parties are portrayed on TV. Regarding firing Kinsey, he ''didn't'' (technically) fire him, he "accepted his resignation"; the implicit threat was that if Kinsey didn't agree to step aside then Hayes would use the evidence he has to formally remove him, possibly actually bring him up on charges. Now, you know and I know (And everybody else in the show knows) that it was a firing in truth if not in technicality, but acording to the letter of the law he didn't fire him. If anybody in the public asks why, Hayes can just say "I didn't fire him, he resigned, you'll need to ask him as to why."

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** No, we never learned their politics. My (personal) belief is that Henry Hayes was a Republican due to the ([[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement maybe correct, maybe flawed]]) perception that all religious Christians are Republicans and Kinsey, his running mate, was a frequent spouter of semi-fundamentalist rhetoric, but that is just supposition based on how political parties are portrayed on TV. Regarding firing Kinsey, he ''didn't'' (technically) fire him, he "accepted his resignation"; the implicit threat was that if Kinsey didn't agree to step aside then Hayes would use the evidence he has to formally remove him, possibly actually bring him up on charges. Now, you know and I know (And everybody else in the show knows) that it was a firing in truth if not in technicality, but acording according to the letter of the law he didn't fire him. If anybody in the public asks why, Hayes can just say "I didn't fire him, he resigned, you'll need to ask him as to why."



** Got a question about the good (right) senator: Im not from the states but some of the things he does seem to be a violation of separation of powers laws. The bigest would be tryng to get direct control of SGC, SGC is Executive while the senat (and senators) is Legislative and add giving orders to military personel- senators are not in the chain of command.
* How exactly did Anubis get off that frozen planet he was stuck on at the end of "Lockdown?" Moreover, when did he do it? At the start of Season 8 Ba'al was on the fast path to becoming the most powerful of the Goa'uld but by the end Anibus had co-opted his operation. Was there any hint in the show as to when Anubis did that?

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** Got a question about the good (right) senator: Im I'm not from the states states, but some of the things he does seem to be a violation of separation of powers powers' laws. The bigest biggest would be tryng trying to get direct control of SGC, SGC: SGC is Executive while the senat Senate (and senators) is Legislative and add giving orders to military personel- personnel - senators are not in the chain of command.
* How exactly did Anubis get off that frozen planet he was stuck on at the end of "Lockdown?" Moreover, when did he do it? At the start of Season 8 Ba'al was on the fast path to becoming the most powerful of the Goa'uld but by the end Anibus Anubis had co-opted his operation. Was there any hint in the show as to when Anubis did that?



** True, but Anibus would have needed a body to dial the gate, and by the end of the episode the Russian guy he arrived in was not exactly up to the task. At least, that's what the camera shot seemed to imply.
** The dialogue, character actions and final shot did imply that Anubis was trapped and would not be able to escape the frozen world, but it was never ''explicitly'' stated that he'd be trapped (At least, I don't believe there was). When he re-appeared it was never explained, I think we were just supposed to accept that he'd done something whacky to get off the planet. Regarding retaking his old army, that one's actually easier to understand. The Kull Warriors, the key to his army and Ba'al's as well, obeyed him; Ba'al might have had the other System Lords running, but when Anubis showed up and said "Point your guns at him!" the Kulls would have done so. Ba'al could either resist, and be gunned down since his loyal Jaffa had no chance against them, or bide his time for his eventual betrayal.

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** True, but Anibus Anubis would have needed a body to dial the gate, and by the end of the episode the Russian guy he arrived in was not exactly up to the task. At least, that's what the camera shot seemed to imply.
** The dialogue, character actions and final shot did imply that Anubis was trapped and would not be able to escape the frozen world, but it was never ''explicitly'' stated that he'd be trapped (At least, I don't believe there was). When he re-appeared it was never explained, I think we were just supposed to accept that he'd done something whacky wacky to get off the planet. Regarding retaking his old army, that one's actually easier to understand. The Kull Warriors, the key to his army and Ba'al's as well, obeyed him; Ba'al might have had the other System Lords running, but when Anubis showed up and said "Point your guns at him!" the Kulls would have done so. Ba'al could either resist, and be gunned down since his loyal Jaffa had no chance against them, or bide his time for his eventual betrayal.



** No, they didn't care about the rest of the galaxy (In a way, that was their very point). It was all about getting Oma to see that she shouldn't involve herslf in the lower planes because of the potential dangers.

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** No, they didn't care about the rest of the galaxy (In a way, that was their very point). It was all about getting Oma to see that she shouldn't involve herslf herself in the lower planes because of the potential dangers.



** They don't treat him like scum for wanting to get to the Alpha Site, they treat him like scum for being scum. For ignoring the warnings of SG-1, for deliberately trying to get the project shut down, for getting into bed with illegal and terroristic organizations that are trying to subvert the very government (That's a big one), and for showing his personal cowardice at the end. Not for leaving for the Alpha Site, but for demanding that his transport is more important than protecting the SGC from attack through the Stargate.
** To simplify this very good answer: it's not just a pure judgement, it's also a punishment for his actions before. Yes, he showed cowardice in asking to go, but I think it's also Hammond using his (limited) power as commander of the SGC to 'reward' Kinsey for his jerkish actions before. Note that Kinsey asked Hammond for permission, meaning that Hammond is the one person who can allow someone to go through the 'Gate - either that, or Kinsey didn't need to ask, but messed up and asked anyway, giving Hammond the chance to say no.

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** They don't treat him like scum for wanting to get to the Alpha Site, they treat him like scum for being scum. For ignoring the warnings of SG-1, for deliberately trying to get the project shut down, for getting into bed with illegal and terroristic terrorist organizations that are trying to subvert the very government (That's a big one), and for showing his personal cowardice at the end. Not for leaving for the Alpha Site, but for demanding that his transport is more important than protecting the SGC from attack through the Stargate.
** To simplify this very good answer: it's not just a pure judgement, it's also a punishment for his actions before. Yes, he showed cowardice in asking to go, but I think it's also Hammond using his (limited) power as commander of the SGC to 'reward' Kinsey for his jerkish jerk actions before. Note that Kinsey asked Hammond for permission, meaning that Hammond is the one person who can allow someone to go through the 'Gate - either that, or Kinsey didn't need to ask, but messed up and asked anyway, giving Hammond the chance to say no.



** Maybe they simply didn't explain it? While a massive energy wave sure is mysterious, it wasn't even close to forming a perfect bubble, so it can't be traced back to Cheyenne Mountain. While it's clear that the wave originated somewhere in the united states or canada, there were no apparent effects, so most people probably just shrugged and went on their way. Some nations and conspiracy theorists would have suspected an american superweapon, but all the major nations were in on the secret, so the political repercussions would have been minimal. It just became another mystery for the ages, with the only notable results being a growth in conspiracy theories, a few astronomy papers trying to explain this "rare stellar phenomenon" and probably a couple of cults based around this "sign of a greater power".

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** Maybe they simply didn't explain it? While a massive energy wave sure is mysterious, it wasn't even close to forming a perfect bubble, so it can't be traced back to Cheyenne Mountain. While it's clear that the wave originated somewhere in the united states United States or canada, Canada, there were no apparent effects, so most people probably just shrugged and went on their way. Some nations and conspiracy theorists would have suspected an american superweapon, but all the major nations were in on the secret, so the political repercussions would have been minimal. It just became another mystery for the ages, with the only notable results being a growth in conspiracy theories, a few astronomy papers trying to explain this "rare stellar phenomenon" and probably a couple of cults based around this "sign of a greater power".



** Not really. The Jaffa would presumably want to defect to anyone more powerful. Or indeed, maybe she just liked Hathor's style. The Goa'uld are statedly arrogant and vain. It wouldn't have been a problem to convince Hathor that she was so amazing that they decided to defect to her (also, Goa'uld sometimes serve under other more powerful Goa'uld. Was it explicitly stated that the Tok'ra was pretending to be a Jaffa?)

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** Not really. The Jaffa would presumably want to defect to anyone more powerful. Or indeed, maybe she just liked Hathor's style. The Goa'uld are statedly arrogant and vain. It wouldn't have been a problem to convince Hathor that she was so amazing that they decided to defect to her (also, Goa'uld sometimes serve under other more powerful Goa'uld. Was it explicitly stated that the Tok'ra was pretending to be a Jaffa?)



** It's stated in that same episode that through research, they were succesful in getting the device to mimic other people, but only for short periods of time.

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** It's stated in that same episode that through research, they were succesful successful in getting the device to mimic other people, but only for short periods of time.



** I didn't mean to suggest that ''all'' Goa'uld ought to stick with Unas hosts, but I'm wondering why we don't see more more of a balance. A Goa'uld scientist, sure, he's got a good reason to prefer a human host, if only for the nimbler hands. But Terok (the Goa'uld who tortured Teal'c in "The Serpent's Venom") seems like a prime candidate for an Unas host. Since his whole job seems to be torturing/interrogating prisoners for Heru'ur, one would think being a terrifying demonesque monster with teeth and claws would be a bit plus for him. And speaking of demons, shouldn't there have been tons of Unas!Goa'uld running around on Sokar's Hellworld? They even said in that episode that Sokar used Unas!Goa'uld to torment his victims, but we saw none of them there. See also "The First Commandment", another episode that makes a strong argument for why ''some'' Goa'uld ought to stick with Unas hosts. Intimidating primitive human tribes is a lot easier when you ''literally'' look like a demon.

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** I didn't mean to suggest that ''all'' Goa'uld ought to stick with Unas hosts, but I'm wondering why we don't see more more of a balance. A Goa'uld scientist, sure, he's got a good reason to prefer a human host, if only for the nimbler hands. But Terok (the Goa'uld who tortured Teal'c in "The Serpent's Venom") seems like a prime candidate for an Unas host. Since his whole job seems to be torturing/interrogating prisoners for Heru'ur, one would think being a terrifying demonesque demonic monster with teeth and claws would be a bit plus for him. And speaking of demons, shouldn't there have been tons of Unas!Goa'uld running around on Sokar's Hellworld? They even said in that episode that Sokar used Unas!Goa'uld to torment his victims, but we saw none of them there. See also "The First Commandment", another episode that makes a strong argument for why ''some'' Goa'uld ought to stick with Unas hosts. Intimidating primitive human tribes is a lot easier when you ''literally'' look like a demon.



** Quite likely. The Tollan seem to combine the worst aspects of the Asgard and Ancients with a badness all their own. The Asgard are self-aware of their weakness (overreliance on advanced technology), and the Ancients are certainly arrogant, but their non-interference clause seems to be a means to curb that arrogance to the point where they can do a little harm as possible. The Tollan are both arrogant and overreliant on high technology, while been too dumb to grasp the fact that other races can advance to counter or neutralize their advances.

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** Quite likely. The Tollan seem to combine the worst aspects of the Asgard and Ancients with a badness all their own. The Asgard are self-aware of their weakness (overreliance (over-reliance on advanced technology), and the Ancients are certainly arrogant, but their non-interference clause seems to be a means to curb that arrogance to the point where they can do a little harm as possible. The Tollan are both arrogant and overreliant over-reliant on high technology, while been too dumb to grasp the fact that other races can advance to counter or neutralize their advances.



** Likely a question of resources. Earth only had a half-dozen 304s by the end of ''Universe'', not like Starfleet which has tens of thousands of ships and can afford to send a ''Nova''-class or whatever on long-term loiter, and the SGC is still engaging the Lucian Alliance among others. And their only offworld ally with the numbers necessary is the Free Jaffa Nation.

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** Likely a question of resources. Earth only had a half-dozen 304s by the end of ''Universe'', not like Starfleet which has tens of thousands of ships and can afford to send a ''Nova''-class or whatever on long-term loiter, and the SGC is still engaging the Lucian Alliance among others. And their only offworld off-world ally with the numbers necessary is the Free Jaffa Nation.



* If Colonel Simmons is still an active duty officer (like Maybourne was), why doesn't he wear a uniform? If not, why do they still call him Colonel?

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** The Tollan got wiped out because of their isolationism, and the Nox have faded to irrelevance on the galactic scale with their commitment to hiding. They claim to be enlightened, but that claim is not just criticised by the narrative, but unequivocally proven false. Kinsey et al would have led Earth to the same fate.

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** The Tollan got wiped out because of their isolationism, and the Nox have faded to irrelevance on the galactic scale with their commitment to hiding. They claim to be enlightened, but that claim is not just criticised criticized by the narrative, but unequivocally proven false. Kinsey et al would have led Earth to the same fate.



** I don't think they're supposed to be annoying, they just are. They're not really involved in the show that much, anyway. They appeared on three episodes, one of which was only a cameo. The Serrakin (those sort of reptile aliens which live on a planet with humans) had as many appearances. It's only really being a member of the "four great races" that makes them stand out because it links them to the show's mythology. The writers wanted to show an advanced species. The species couldn't be allowed to help us because it would pretty much solve all the drama in the show by episode 8. The Nox's personality was a way to explain away their not helping us. Unfortunately, it made them come across as jerks. The Asgard, by contrast, were allowed both to be more helpful and given a more likeable reason for not being able to help more.

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** I don't think they're supposed to be annoying, they just are. They're not really involved in the show that much, anyway. They appeared on three episodes, one of which was only a cameo. The Serrakin (those sort of reptile aliens which live on a planet with humans) had as many appearances. It's only really being a member of the "four great races" that makes them stand out because it links them to the show's mythology. The writers wanted to show an advanced species. The species couldn't be allowed to help us because it would pretty much solve all the drama in the show by episode 8. The Nox's personality was a way to explain away their not helping us. Unfortunately, it made them come across as jerks. The Asgard, by contrast, were allowed both to be more helpful and given a more likeable likable reason for not being able to help more.
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** Treating the Stargate as a public utility, one would want safety. The kawoosh takes out anything and everything, thus you would want the receiving gate to make as much noise as possible to alert people "get out of the way, incoming wormhole!" The real reason is dramatic license, of course. One idea: the Stargate has some form of sensor related to nearby activity - if little to no activity, no need to warn anyone and instant on; the more people around, make more noise and buffer incoming travelers to provide a delay for arrival.
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** In the United States the job of space based missions falls to the Air Force, not the Navy. This is a legacy of the 1960s high altitude spy plane missions. Changing that would involve public debate, and the SGC and the showrunners are all committed to TheMasquerade. Not to mention that from the airforce's perspective it would involve a turf war that would diminish their prestige. As for the aircraft designs, well that is what happens when you have to design and build an aircraft funded and design team drawn solely from an off the books black box slushfund instead of normal channels. You're going to get compromises.

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** In the United States the job of space based missions falls to the Air Force, not the Navy. This is a legacy of the 1960s high altitude spy plane missions. Changing that would involve public debate, and the SGC and the showrunners are all committed to TheMasquerade. Not to mention that from the airforce's Air Force's perspective it would involve a turf war that would diminish their prestige. As for the aircraft designs, well that is what happens when you have to design and build an aircraft funded and design team drawn solely from an off the books black box slushfund instead of normal channels. You're going to get compromises.



* The ending of 'Fragile Balance', as it relates to O'Neill's clone just bugs me. Jack O'Neill harbors a secret desire to return to *high school*?! Ok, first, why would anyone in their right mind want to go back to high school? And also, eww in regards to the ogling of the teenage girls. And given SG-1's track record, wouldn't the airforce be thrilled to have a second O'Neill running around (not to mention the ancient gene, etc)? Given that the actor did a pretty good job of getting the mannerisms et al right, I'm kinda disappointed they didn't bring back the clone in later seasons when the "real" Jack was promoted. Or at least for Atlantis. Or something.

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* The ending of 'Fragile Balance', as it relates to O'Neill's clone just bugs me. Jack O'Neill harbors a secret desire to return to *high school*?! Ok, first, why would anyone in their right mind want to go back to high school? And also, eww in regards to the ogling of the teenage girls. And given SG-1's track record, wouldn't the airforce Air Force be thrilled to have a second O'Neill running around (not to mention the ancient gene, etc)? Given that the actor did a pretty good job of getting the mannerisms et al right, I'm kinda disappointed they didn't bring back the clone in later seasons when the "real" Jack was promoted. Or at least for Atlantis. Or something.
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** In the United States the job of space based missions falls to the airforce, not the navy. This is a legacy of the 1960s high altitude spy plane missions. Changing that would involve public debate, and the SGC and the showrunners are all committed to TheMasquerade. Not to mention that from the airforce's perspective it would involve a turf war that would diminish their prestige. As for the aircraft designs, well that is what happens when you have to design and build an aircraft funded and design team drawn solely from an off the books black box slushfund instead of normal channels. You're going to get compromises.

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** In the United States the job of space based missions falls to the airforce, Air Force, not the navy.Navy. This is a legacy of the 1960s high altitude spy plane missions. Changing that would involve public debate, and the SGC and the showrunners are all committed to TheMasquerade. Not to mention that from the airforce's perspective it would involve a turf war that would diminish their prestige. As for the aircraft designs, well that is what happens when you have to design and build an aircraft funded and design team drawn solely from an off the books black box slushfund instead of normal channels. You're going to get compromises.
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** Because they were put in place by people who planned to walk through it. They're not just arbitrarily placed natural phenomena, and the show makes it really, really obvious that an intelligent race of beings with working legs put them where they are. Even if something had fallen in front of the gate, the effect of it opening vaporizes anything that's in front of it.

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** Because they were put in place by people who planned to walk through it. They're not just arbitrarily placed natural phenomena, and the show makes it really, really obvious that an intelligent race of beings with working legs put them where they are. Even if something had fallen in front of the gate, the effect of it opening vaporizes anything that's in front of it.it.
* The time loop in "Window of Opportunity" only lasts ten hours. How did Jack get two golfing outfits? Even if we're to believe that he has his own set, it's next to impossible that Teal'c does. Did they really drive to Cheyenne just to get golf outfits? It would take half the loop to accomplish that, and I doubt they let Teal'c off the base without a more concrete plan and advance permission.
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** Not knowing the upper limit doesn't necessarily mean that it's extremely high, either. It's just like those facetious arguments that [[SpiderMan May Parker]] is the strongest being in the Marvel Universe because we've never seen an upper limit to her abilities.

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** Forced cultural evolution is a very real (and unfortunate) thing in human history. We left the dark ages because the Black Death killed a huge percentage of the population, making human labor valuable. The Goa'uld never experienced that, and they've never had to look farther than "the next planet" for more slaves.

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** Forced cultural evolution is a very real (and unfortunate) thing in human history. We left the dark ages Social and economic dynamics in Europe changed dramatically, because the Black Death killed a huge percentage of the population, making human labor - in Europe - valuable. The Goa'uld never experienced that, and they've never had to look farther than "the next planet" for more slaves.



** Doylist answer: they forgot about her. Watsoninian: We've seen that hosts don't necessarily retain ALL of the Goa'uld memories (and that that's a good thing for their sanity), so she might not have remembered anything about the wrist device besides that it activated the teleporter.

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** Doylist answer: they forgot about her. Watsoninian: Watsonian: We've seen that hosts don't necessarily retain ALL of the Goa'uld memories (and that that's a good thing for their sanity), so she might not have remembered anything about the wrist device besides that it activated the teleporter.



** Its the same reason Apophis started to age dramatically when he was captured by SG-1. The sarcophagus is far from an immortality box; go without it for more than a day and all it's miracles vanish with devastating effect.

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** Its the same reason Apophis started to age dramatically when he was captured by SG-1. The sarcophagus is far from an immortality box; go without it for more than a day and all it's its miracles vanish with devastating effect.



** The sarcophagus supercharges both the Goa'Uld and human regenerative abilities, but it doesn't fix things that were already genetically wrong.
* I have just one main thing which REALLY bugs me... Why does the iverse speak English?! Or rather, why does most of it? The first movie, and the pilot of the series had the alien planets speaking their own languages, a bastardization of the original language used by the transplanted slaves in each case... But apart from the odd occasion where the alien race turned out to be not *quite* human (or as different as the Unas - and not even for all of those!), it seems like the writers just forgot about this limitation. Now I get that it was done to make the ease of storytelling better IRL, but why was no explanation given in-universe? Daniel doesn't even comment how handy it is to have someone like himself who can speak something like 8 languages come along with the team...to worlds where everyone natively speaks the only language the entire team understands. My own canon has always been that the SGC found the 'translator' switch after the first few episodes and flipped it, so that the gate travel pops you out the other side with the capability to understand (and be understood by) the natives, but then this doesn't explain when they get to a new planet by ship...

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* I have just one main thing which REALLY bugs me... Why does the iverse universe speak English?! Or rather, why does most of it? The first movie, and the pilot of the series had the alien planets speaking their own languages, a bastardization of the original language used by the transplanted slaves in each case... But apart from the odd occasion where the alien race turned out to be not *quite* human (or as different as the Unas - and not even for all of those!), it seems like the writers just forgot about this limitation. Now I get that it was done to make the ease of storytelling better IRL, but why was no explanation given in-universe? Daniel doesn't even comment how handy it is to have someone like himself who can speak something like 8 languages come along with the team...to worlds where everyone natively speaks the only language the entire team understands. My own canon has always been that the SGC found the 'translator' switch after the first few episodes and flipped it, so that the gate travel pops you out the other side with the capability to understand (and be understood by) the natives, but then this doesn't explain when they get to a new planet by ship...



** Additionally, the gates could plausibly add at least a basic vocabulary to those travelling through them. Why didn't it do that with the first travel to Abydos, and other early episodes? For the same reason they had to adjust for stellar drift - it had been out of action for so long.



** The few hand devices and personal shields the SGC has captured are probably squirreled away at Area 51 for study.
** Also, lack of mobility with the shield is no small issue. Suppose that, say, Carter decides to carry around a shield and activates it when the team gets ambushed by enemy Jaffa. Now she's out in the open, unable to move ''OR'' shoot out of the shield (which means if her team needs help with fire support she's unable to give it), and the instant she drops the shield she's exposed to enemy fire. An enemy could sit with his weapon pointed at her, essentially pinning her down to one spot while the rest of her team is battling the other enemies. Remember that the standard modus operandi of the Goa'uld is to throw up the shield and stand back while his/her Jaffa body guards take care of the threat. It's not suited for a combat soldier, at least not in the configuration the Goa'uld designed them. Redesign it as a mobile shield and we'll talk.

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** The few hand devices and personal shields the SGC has captured are probably squirreled squirrelled away at Area 51 for study.
** Also, lack of mobility with the shield is no small issue. Suppose that, say, Carter decides to carry around a shield and activates it when the team gets ambushed by enemy Jaffa. Now she's out in the open, unable to move ''OR'' shoot out of the shield (which means if her team needs help with fire support she's unable to give it), and the instant she drops the shield she's exposed to enemy fire. An enemy could sit with his weapon pointed at her, essentially pinning her down to one spot while the rest of her team is battling the other enemies. Remember that the standard modus operandi of the Goa'uld is to throw up the shield and stand back while his/her Jaffa body guards bodyguards take care of the threat. It's not suited for a combat soldier, at least not in the configuration the Goa'uld designed them. Redesign it as a mobile shield and we'll talk.



** Because you just can't beat physics. Look at the history of weapons. When you want to be sure you hurt the other guy even in his armor, you don't use a bladed weapon. You use something blunt and heavy. Armor is usually made thin to account for weight. Metal is bendy. Armor might deflect a sword or a knife without issue to the person inside. But when you hit them with a blunt instrument, does it really make a difference whether he dies from the mace itself, or the fact that it put a huge dent in his close fitting armor? Kinetic energy man, you just can't beat it. Someone is going to jump in and talk about the staff weapons and the Zat guns. Yes, they are good weapons. But they are also common. When O'Neill wanted to be sure to get Apopsis, what did he do? He threw a knife at him. Heat can be isolated, energy weapons can be blocked, but kinetic energy is hard to beat.

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** Because you just can't beat physics. Look at the history of weapons. When you want to be sure you hurt the other guy even in his armor, you don't use a bladed weapon. You use something blunt and heavy. Armor is usually made thin to account for weight. Metal is bendy. Armor might deflect a sword or a knife without issue to the person inside. But when you hit them with a blunt instrument, does it really make a difference whether he dies from the mace itself, or the fact that it put a huge dent in his close fitting armor? Kinetic energy energy, man, you just can't beat it. Someone is going to jump in and talk about the staff weapons and the Zat guns. Yes, they are good weapons. But they are also common. When O'Neill wanted to be sure to get Apopsis, Heru'ur, what did he do? He threw a knife at him. Heat can be isolated, energy weapons can be blocked, but kinetic energy is hard to beat.



* Just how useless exactly were the Asgard, Furlings and the Nox in the infamous ''Alliance of the Four Great Races?'' as we can see from SG-Atlantis, the Ancients were technologically superior to even the ''modern day'' Asgard - a people separated by thousands of years. This would mean that either Asgard technology entered a dark age of zero progress for several millennia, or they had even less technology than the Earth. The other two races couldn't have been much better off either, when we consider the sheer lack of machines that have been discovered abandoned in comparison to vintage Ancient and Goa'uld tech. To put all of this into a modern perspective it's the equivalent of America forming the United Nations with Easter island, Somalia and Ethiopia. This all leads to the rather unfortunate implication that far from being the ''Alliance of the Four Great Races'' it was closer to the ''Alliance of One Great Race and Three Spongers.''

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* Just how useless exactly were the Asgard, Furlings and the Nox in the infamous ''Alliance of the Four Great Races?'' as Races''? As we can see from SG-Atlantis, the Ancients were technologically superior to even the ''modern day'' Asgard - a people separated by thousands of years. This would mean that either Asgard technology entered a dark age of zero progress for several millennia, or they had even less technology than the Earth. The other two races couldn't have been much better off either, when we consider the sheer lack of machines that have been discovered abandoned in comparison to vintage Ancient and Goa'uld tech. To put all of this into a modern perspective it's the equivalent of America forming the United Nations with Easter island, Island, Somalia and Ethiopia. This all leads to the rather unfortunate implication that far from being the ''Alliance of the Four Great Races'' it was closer to the ''Alliance of One Great Race and Three Spongers.''



** The Asgard have made some pretty decent technological breakthroughs. Look at their latest beam weapons. Capable of taking out an entire Aurora class Ancient Warship, in just a few shots. And to be fair, the Asgard have had two major distractions. The Replicators and their clone degeneration. By having to focus most of their efforts on these problems, reducing the amount of focus they can give to other projects. As for the Nox, we don't know much about them. We know they can turn invisible and revive the dead, plus they had a floating city, but that's all. They may have plenty of technology for all we know. Same with the Furlings.

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** The Asgard have made some pretty decent technological breakthroughs. Look at their latest beam weapons. Capable of taking out an entire Aurora class Ancient Warship, in just a few shots. And to be fair, the Asgard have had two major distractions. The Replicators and their clone degeneration. By having to focus most of their efforts on these problems, reducing the amount of focus they can give to other projects. As for the Nox, we don't know much about them. We know they can turn invisible invisible, possibly teleport, and revive the dead, plus they had a floating city, but that's all. They may have plenty of technology for all we know. Same with the Furlings.



** We have no clue how advanced the Nox are. The Furlings left behind a transporter doorway and possibly the Touchstone (planet-wide weather control device the size of a very small globe). The Asgard... were relatively pathetic, if their long-lost bretheren (seen in ''Stargate Atlantis'') are any indication.

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** We have no clue how advanced the Nox are. The Furlings left behind a transporter doorway and possibly the Touchstone (planet-wide weather control device the size of a very small globe). The Asgard... were relatively pathetic, if their long-lost bretheren brethren (seen in ''Stargate Atlantis'') are any indication.



** Let's back up a little bit. Everyone seems to forget that although the Asgard shields are readily available for Tauri ships, it is relatively easy for very intelligent scientists to use the technology and understand it, human technological evolution has been ''vastly'' accelerated by the Stargate and the Asgard alliance. It would have taken many ''many'' thousands of years for humans to come up with equivalent technology on their own. Now, we know the Ancients ''started'' life in the Milky Way galaxy, coming from a different galaxy altogether at already a very high state of development, while the Asgard on the other hand, seem to have evolved from within their own galaxy and were awed enough by the Altarens that ''they'' called them an 'ancient' race. So already we can safely assume that the Ancients are far older than the Asgard. The Altarens were refugees who came to this galaxy and tried to keep a low profile. Their alliance with the Asgard, the Nox and the Ferlings was about knowledge and understanding. We know this from the meeting place where Earnest was trapped for a good half a century. Considering what we know from the characters of the Nox, Asgard and the limited benevolence of the Altarens, we can probably conclude that the Alliance was a communal sharing and search for enlightenment. Although a certain technological level was most likely required to be treated on equal footing, technology was most likely not the focus. And considering the peaceful nature of the Nox, they would not be involved in an Alliance where weapons technology was being shared. But all of that in perspective, think of this: the Ancient and Ori ships were the product of a race who were so old that they had biologically evolved to the point where they could Ascend. And the Asgard beam weapons - as seen at the end of season 10 - could wipe out an Ori ship with 1 barrage. I'd say that's a pretty good indication of how technologically evolved the Asgard were.

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** Let's back up a little bit. Everyone seems to forget that although the Asgard shields are readily available for Tauri Tau'ri ships, it is relatively easy for very intelligent scientists to use the technology and understand it, human technological evolution has been ''vastly'' accelerated by the Stargate and the Asgard alliance. It would have taken many ''many'' thousands of years for humans to come up with equivalent technology on their own. Now, we know the Ancients ''started'' life in the Milky Way galaxy, coming from a different galaxy altogether at already a very high state of development, while the Asgard on the other hand, seem to have evolved from within their own galaxy and were awed enough by the Altarens Alterans that ''they'' called them an 'ancient' race. So already we can safely assume that the Ancients are far older than the Asgard. The Altarens Alterans were refugees who came to this galaxy and tried to keep a low profile. Their alliance with the Asgard, the Nox and the Ferlings was about knowledge and understanding. We know this from the meeting place where Earnest Ernest was trapped for a good half a century. Considering what we know from the characters of the Nox, Asgard and the limited benevolence of the Altarens, Alterans, we can probably conclude that the Alliance was a communal sharing and search for enlightenment. Although a certain technological level was most likely required to be treated on equal footing, technology was most likely not the focus. And considering the peaceful nature of the Nox, they would not be involved in an Alliance where weapons technology was being shared. But all of that in perspective, think of this: the Ancient and Ori ships were the product of a race who were so old that they had biologically evolved to the point where they could Ascend. And the Asgard beam weapons - as seen at the end of season 10 - could wipe out an Ori ship with 1 barrage. I'd say that's a pretty good indication of how technologically evolved the Asgard were.



** Just to be pedantic, 100 light-years would not be nearly long enough to get to another galazy. IIRC, the Milkey Way itself is about 100,000 light-years in diameter, and the next-nearest Galaxy - Andromeda - is something like two-and-a-half million light-years away.

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** Just to be pedantic, 100 light-years would not be nearly long enough to get to another galazy.galaxy. IIRC, the Milkey Way itself is about 100,000 light-years in diameter, and the next-nearest Galaxy - Andromeda - is something like two-and-a-half million light-years away.



** Maybe it's not carved on the gates. Maybe it's nanotech that changes shape when corralitive updates are done. That would also explain why the POO on the gate was the original one when they used a different gate (but not why the old earth symbol changed to the at in the first place. head meet wall)

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** Maybe it's not carved on the gates. Maybe it's nanotech that changes shape when corralitive correlative updates are done. That would also explain why the POO Point Of Origin on the gate was the original one when they used a different gate (but not why the old earth symbol changed to the at in the first place. head meet wall)



** But the Ancients use Base-8 math. Why would they use a coordinate system in base-38? (I know you said it was fannon and I should take it as such but I couldn't resist.)

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** But the Ancients use Base-8 math. Why would they use a coordinate system in base-38? (I know you said it was fannon fanon and I should take it as such but I couldn't resist.)



** I think this is being over thought. Not taking into account all the retcon of how the gate symbols (and the gates themselves) worked, lets look at it from the pure semantics of the symbols. If we assume that the gates are using the 6 points in space as a baseline for a possible destination, then why assume those points in space need to be so specific. It is not so much looking for the specific points in space as it is a general representation of the area. An address (as described in the movie and elaborated on with some retcon in the series) not specific points in space. Adding the 7th (and eventually 8th and 9th) symbol gives an effect of origin, and distance (or some such). It is all very imprecise when you analyze it, but that could be a little FridgeBrilliance if you think in terms of how this tech could have been designed. I would assume a tech this elaborate with this simple of an interface was designed expressly to be used by people that were not as advanced as the Ancients that created it. Like giving a "my first space travel" device to a toddler. Yes, in that analogy, we [humanity] are the toddler. So it more than likely uses some massively advanced AI in the design so that it works even when in theory it shouldn't.

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** I think this is being over thought.overthought. Not taking into account all the retcon of how the gate symbols (and the gates themselves) worked, lets look at it from the pure semantics of the symbols. If we assume that the gates are using the 6 points in space as a baseline for a possible destination, then why assume those points in space need to be so specific. It is not so much looking for the specific points in space as it is a general representation of the area. An address (as described in the movie and elaborated on with some retcon in the series) not specific points in space. Adding the 7th (and eventually 8th and 9th) symbol gives an effect of origin, and distance (or some such). It is all very imprecise when you analyze it, but that could be a little FridgeBrilliance if you think in terms of how this tech could have been designed. I would assume a tech this elaborate with this simple of an interface was designed expressly to be used by people that were not as advanced as the Ancients that created it. Like giving a "my first space travel" device to a toddler. Yes, in that analogy, we [humanity] are the toddler. So it more than likely uses some massively advanced AI in the design so that it works even when in theory it shouldn't.
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** Neither were to the extreme of the Tollan though, the Nox was the most isolationist and they still got out of the cloud city enough to yank the Tollan out the fire (twice) and had enough humility and compassion to save and at least listen to SG1 before shooing them out. The Ancients moved up and down the scale of arrogance (sometimes just pure arrogance, sometimes arrogance born of good intentions and experience), but they didn't become isolationists until they ascended. The Tollans were both Isolationist ''and'' Arrogant, and remained so even when it was demonstrated not to be a good thing.

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** Does the sarcophagus fix defects that someone was born with, or just injuries/aging? If Daniel was born with an eye defect the sarcophagus may not have fixed it permanently.
* I have just one main thing which REALLY bugs me... Why does the whole universe speak English?! Or rather, why does most of it? The first movie, and the pilot of the series had the alien planets speaking their own languages, a bastardization of the original language used by the transplanted slaves in each case... But apart from the odd occasion where the alien race turned out to be not *quite* human (or as different as the Unas - and not even for all of those!), it seems like the writers just forgot about this limitation. Now I get that it was done to make the ease of storytelling better IRL, but why was no explanation given in-universe? Daniel doesn't even comment how handy it is to have someone like himself who can speak something like 8 languages come along with the team...to worlds where everyone natively speaks the only language the entire team understands. My own canon has always been that the SGC found the 'translator' switch after the first few episodes and flipped it, so that the gate travel pops you out the other side with the capability to understand (and be understood by) the natives, but then this doesn't explain when they get to a new planet by ship...

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* I have just one main thing which REALLY bugs me... Why does the whole universe iverse speak English?! Or rather, why does most of it? The first movie, and the pilot of the series had the alien planets speaking their own languages, a bastardization of the original language used by the transplanted slaves in each case... But apart from the odd occasion where the alien race turned out to be not *quite* human (or as different as the Unas - and not even for all of those!), it seems like the writers just forgot about this limitation. Now I get that it was done to make the ease of storytelling better IRL, but why was no explanation given in-universe? Daniel doesn't even comment how handy it is to have someone like himself who can speak something like 8 languages come along with the team...to worlds where everyone natively speaks the only language the entire team understands. My own canon has always been that the SGC found the 'translator' switch after the first few episodes and flipped it, so that the gate travel pops you out the other side with the capability to understand (and be understood by) the natives, but then this doesn't explain when they get to a new planet by ship...
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** Doylist answer: they forgot about her. Watsoninian: We've seen that hosts don't necessarily retain ALL of the Goa'uld memories (and that that's a good thing for their sanity), so she might not have remembered anything about the wrist device besides that it activated the teleporter.

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