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* If the Abstract is supposed to have the future written in it, and the Pride had several years to study it... shouldn't they had known that, in that specific Rite of Blood, their sons would see them, escape and ruin the whole master plan? There are so many things they could have done, such a fake Rite of Blood that they could see and got their original idea that they were super heroes; or simply gave them a free trip to disneyworld instead of staying bored at home during their reunion.
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* If the Abstract is supposed to have the future written in it, and the Pride had several years to study it... shouldn't they had known that, in that specific Rite of Blood, their sons would see them, escape and ruin the whole master plan? There are so many things they could have done, such a fake Rite of Blood that they could see and got their original idea that they were super heroes; or simply gave them a free trip to disneyworld instead of staying bored at home during their reunion. reunion.
* Mutant powers are unique, with no two mutants being entirely the same, right? How the ever-loving fuck do Molly's parents have powers that are identical down to the letter, including the same glowy eye effect? It's also noteworthy that they look ''exactly'' alike with the same colour hair, eyes and skin tone. How?
* Mutant powers are unique, with no two mutants being entirely the same, right? How the ever-loving fuck do Molly's parents have powers that are identical down to the letter, including the same glowy eye effect? It's also noteworthy that they look ''exactly'' alike with the same colour hair, eyes and skin tone. How?
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*** Well actually the Civil War crossover with the Young Avengers takes place before Live Fast
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** Have you just started the series? It's explained in Volume 1, Issue 13. [[spoiler: Originally, the Gibborim promised the Pride that three out of the six couples would be granted eternal life in paradise if they aided them in their plan to wipe out the rest of humanity. Then Janet Stein got pregnant with Chase. To make a long story short, the couples all agreed to have one child each so that their six offspring would all be guaranteed eternal paradise. They all must have been extremely careful not to get pregneat a second time and screw up the plan. What bugs me is that every single one of them goes along with it--including Frank Dean, who explicitly says that he doesn't even want kids!]]
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** Have you just started the series? It's explained in Volume 1, Issue 13. [[spoiler: Originally, the Gibborim promised the Pride that three out of the six couples would be granted eternal life in paradise if they aided them in their plan to wipe out the rest of humanity. Then Janet Stein got pregnant with Chase. To make a long story short, the couples all agreed to have one child each so that their six offspring would all be guaranteed eternal paradise. They all must have been extremely careful not to get pregneat pregnant a second time and screw up the plan. What bugs me is that every single one of them goes along with it--including Frank Dean, who explicitly says that he doesn't even want kids!]]
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*** There's also fridge horror for what they did if they had had a twin or a second child.
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*** Adding on to that before Beast was born with his hands and feet larger than normal (People tend to forget his blue furball form was due to his own scientific meddling and not his mutation)
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*** Going off of Homcoming,it seems that they seem to become jerks and die(?) after 18.which I guess is one way to handle that problem. as for why only Victor reacts poorly to attacking spiderman,lets remember he was designed as a major fan boy and hasn't yet expierienced the less favorable adult supers that the rest have.
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*** Going off of Homcoming,it Homecoming,it seems that they seem to become jerks and die(?) after 18.which I guess is one way to handle that problem. as for why only Victor reacts poorly to attacking spiderman,lets remember he was designed as a major fan boy and hasn't yet expierienced the less favorable adult supers that the rest have.
*** It was more her powers were growing in bursts she couldn't control
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*** The sleeping with Victor thing was her grief causing her to look for comfort in the closest available male. And her throwing him at Lillie was her actively trying to make up for her romantic mistakes by helping him hook up with the girl of his dreams.
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**** Since Victor at the time was not going to become Victorious, then Gert as leader of the avengers may not have happened. That said, the biggest deal in her character is that she goes from a self righteous upstart to becoming a real hero. By [[spoiler: her death]], she has become a hero, willing to sacrifice her life for someone else. Yes, it may have been interesting to see Hero!Gert, but when this happens, she already HAS reached that conclusion. Yes there would be new story ideas, but her character arc is the same in both cases.
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** It sounds more like Vehicular Manslaughter, which is usually an accident.
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** It sounds more like Vehicular Manslaughter, which is usually an accident.accident.
** And ''who'' said that he was innocent, besides himself? The Gibborim rejected him. He's just a teenager with dellusions of grandeur.
** And ''who'' said that he was innocent, besides himself? The Gibborim rejected him. He's just a teenager with dellusions of grandeur.
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* If the Abstract is supposed to have the future written in it, and the Pride had several years to study it... shouldn't they had known that, in that specific Rite of Blood, their sons would see them, escape and ruin the whole master plan? There are so many things they could have done, such a fake Rite of Blood that they could see and got their original idea that they were super heroes; or simply gave them a free trip to disneyworld instead of staying bored at home during their reunion.
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** She did not intend to stay as Karolina forever. Once in the Majesdane home world, he would reveal himself as a skrull, and try to amend the actions of the skrulls that destroyed that planet.
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**It also adds that Chase loves Gert, and having Gert die in his hands (even if it's a future Gert), telling him who had just killed her... is the sort of thing that makes a guy go on a rampage of vengueance.
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*** Probably, the X-Men detected Klara, all right, and when they detected that she was with the Runaways, they lost the interest. I'm sure that Wolverine still remembers when he gave a tour of the mansion to Molly, and he must not be very interested in repeating the experience.
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**Wait for explanations? Yes, I'm sure that would have fixed it all. "''You get it all wrong kids. We did not simply kill a girl. We are part of a secret plot that will destroy all humanity, sparing only you. Don't you understand? We did it all because we love you''". And surely Gert would reply, taking to the others: "''On the count of three. One, two, [[AttackAttackAttack attack page]]
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** This was actually addressed at some issue, and Xavin finally embraced her female identity for good, and not just for Karolina's comfort.
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**** I have once read that the point in killing Gert (as with Alex before) was that she was the most important character of the story, so her death would have the strongest impact. It would have been far more easily to cause cheap impact by [[ShooOutTheNewGuy killing Victor]].
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*** Actually, considering that he was made to infiltrate TheAvengers, the Terminator analogy is pretty apt.
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*** Actually, considering that he was made to infiltrate TheAvengers, ComicBook/TheAvengers, the Terminator analogy is pretty apt.
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*** Honestly, there are 6 pairs of parents, each with access to a different power, not all of them are the type to go out and fight, and they all plan to work to the same goal. Unless a villian took time, effort and resources to just try and open up access to LA, and make sure that they were able to profit off of all that, it wouldn't be worth it. Especially if a few of The Pride or their children were able to survive and hold a grudge. If Alex or his parents had lived, which I am sure they would probably would have as they are the most back seat villian compared to the rest, who ever orchastrated the attack on their plans would suffer for a long time. Too many variables, and not enough reward. Doctor Doom may have access to time travel, powerful magical artifacts, hi-tech superweapons, but so did The Pride, and at least 2 people who could control each
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*** Honestly, there are 6 pairs of parents, each with access to a different power, not all of them are the type to go out and fight, and they all plan to work to the same goal. Unless a villian took time, effort and resources to just try and open up access to LA, and make sure that they were able to profit off of all that, it wouldn't be worth it. Especially if a few of The Pride or their children were able to survive and hold a grudge. If Alex or his parents had lived, which I am sure they would probably would have as they are the most back seat villian compared to the rest, who ever orchastrated orchestrated the attack on their plans would suffer for a long time. Too many variables, and not enough reward. Doctor Doom may have access to time travel, powerful magical artifacts, hi-tech superweapons, but so did The Pride, and at least 2 people who could control each
*** Yeah, but Doom's technology and magic takes a big smelly dump on everyone else in Marvel who isn't named Reed Richards and Dr Strange (respectively). The real reason no one bothers will L.A. is because why would anyone care about it anyway? Doom has his own country, why would he bother attacking some rinkydink city that doesn't even contain '''''[=RICHARDS=]!!!!!'''''. And Green Goblin gets his jollies screwing with Spidey. What could Los Angeles possibly have to offer people like Doom that New York doesn't?
*** Yeah, but Doom's technology and magic takes a big smelly dump on everyone else in Marvel who isn't named Reed Richards and Dr Strange (respectively). The real reason no one bothers will L.A. is because why would anyone care about it anyway? Doom has his own country, why would he bother attacking some rinkydink city that doesn't even contain '''''[=RICHARDS=]!!!!!'''''. And Green Goblin gets his jollies screwing with Spidey. What could Los Angeles possibly have to offer people like Doom that New York doesn't?
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** I always assumed the "one" part was refering to the weilder, like how people can refer to themselvses as "oneself" making it more "the staff of me/you" than the "staff of almighty power of the universe" or it could just be a case of YeOldeButcheredEnglish
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** I always assumed the "one" part was refering to the weilder, like how people can refer to themselvses as "oneself" making it more "the staff of me/you" than the "staff of almighty power of the universe" or it could just be a case of YeOldeButcheredEnglish
YeOldeButcheredEnglish. And well yes the Witchbreaker obviously had her own one in "Dead End Kids"
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** I always assumed the "one" part was refering to the weilder, like how people can refer to themselvses as "oneself" making it more "the staff of me/you" than the "staff of almighty power of the universe" or it could just be a case of YeOldeButcheredEnglish
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* Isn't Xavin's plot to spare Karolina doomed to failure as soon as her Majesdanian kidnappers expect her to be able to use the normal Majesdanian powers? S/he has all the normal Skrull powers + the Fantastic Fours', but I don't think that means s/he's able to mimic Karolina's. Maybe s/he's hoping to be held under the same sort of power limiter as Karolina's med-alert bracelet?
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**** Not really, have you seen what happened after Vaughan left? StatusQuoIsGod. Gert would never grow up and never lead a superhero team, because nobody ages in comics.
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*** Honestly, there are 6 pairs of parents, each with access to a different power, not all of them are the type to go out and fight, and they all plan to work to the same goal. Unless a villian took time, effort and resources to just try and open up access to LA, and make sure that they were able to profit off of all that, it wouldn't be worth it. Especially if a few of The Pride or their children were able to survive and hold a grudge. If Alex or his parents had lived, which I am sure they would probably would have as they are the most back seat villian compared to the rest, who ever orchastrated the attack on their plans would suffer for a long time. Too many variables, and not enough reward, unless pulling off the pen-ultimate XanatosGambit or BatmanGambit. reward. Doctor Doom may have access to time travel, powerful magical artifacts, hi-tech superweapons, but do so did The Pride, and at least 2 people who could control each
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** Witchbreaker said that the blood of her family got weaker and weaker as it continued down the line. Perhaps the reason it was in the weak form with Nico's mother was because it doesn't have a weaker-er form to go to with Nico.
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*** Honestly, there are 6 pairs of parents, each with access to a different power, not all of them are the type to go out and fight, and they all plan to work to the same goal. Unless a villian took time, effort and resources to just try and open up access to LA, and make sure that they were able to profit off of all that, it wouldn't be worth it. Especially if a few of The Pride or their children were able to survive and hold a grudge. If Alex or his parents had lived, which I am sure they would probably would have as they are the most back seat villian compared to the rest, who ever orchastrated the attack on their plans would suffer for a long time. Too many variables, and not enough reward, unless pulling off the pen-ultimate XanatosGambit or BatmanGambit
BatmanGambit. Doctor Doom may have access to time travel, powerful magical artifacts, hi-tech superweapons, but do did The Pride, and at least 2 people who could control each
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***Honestly, there are 6 pairs of parents, each with access to a different power, not all of them are the type to go out and fight, and they all plan to work to the same goal. Unless a villian took time, effort and resources to just try and open up access to LA, and make sure that they were able to profit off of all that, it wouldn't be worth it. Especially if a few of The Pride or their children were able to survive and hold a grudge. If Alex or his parents had lived, which I am sure they would probably would have as they are the most back seat villian compared to the rest, who ever orchastrated the attack on their plans would suffer for a long time. Too many variables, and not enough reward, unless pulling off the pen-ultimate XanatosGambit or BatmanGambit
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*** Actaully, there are a few mutants in the Marvel Universe that have been born with their powers, or at least looking different (IE. Nightcrawler, unless that of course has been retcon'd recently). It might be the fact that Marvel had to put something down in their handbook, or that it may be she is a mutant because of some God's tampering (Agruably, Pheonix's non-psycic powers). Either way, this troper believes that whichever author tackles this problem, has plenty of ways to explain their way out of it.
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*Aside from a punishment the Yorks would arguable deserve it was a necessity. The Yorks had to go back into the future to fulfill their roles. The two were already plotting how to change time to save their daughter. Allowing them to take other actions would have seriously screwed up the timeline including the Runaways' past.
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**Is it possible that when Nico's mother wielded the Staff of One it wasn't in a "weaker" form? What if the Staff of One changes according to whoever is wielding it, so it didn't change for Nico until her powers grew? Basically, it's original form was the "strongest" when wielded by her mother, but became a "weaker" form when wielded by Nico.
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***They actually do discuss this. Earlier when Nico had performed the spell 'Scatter' it not only affected their enemies, but also affected the kids' abilities to operate as an effective team. Once the whole "zombie knot" occurs, they figure that her powers have been acting strangely ever since she was tortured by the Witchbreaker.
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*** In one issue of Quasar (about #17 or #18 off the top of this troper's head), it's said that there's a cosmic being around the Midwest called the Unbeing which "uncreates" superheroes. It's not too much of a stretch to say that the Unbeing would "uncreate" villains as well, then. (Take this with a grain of salt- the Unbeing story also featured Origin, who apparently creates ''every'' superhero in the Marvel Universe, and it's up in the air a bit as to whether it's canon or not)
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** She has said that she has always been able to make plants grow by talking to them, which doesn't gel with Marvel mutants (who get their powers by puberty). Children of mutates are born with their powers (see: Franklin Richards), but at that point in time there wouldn't be any significant sources or radiation to trigger that.
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** Well he/she/it only stays in that form as a favor to Karolina. It's possible he/she/it wanted to stretch his/her/its legs a bit.
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