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** The "Pleasantville" that the movie is set in is most likely some kind of parallel dimension based on the TV show created by the remote control rather than the actual, literal TV show. If so, then there probably wasn't a "Bud" or "Mary Sue" before David and Jennifer showed up, because the dimension was made "for" them, fully formed, with everything set up for them to occupy those particular roles.
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** The TV show is probably completely unaltered in its recorded form. The "Pleasantville" world that the movie takes place in is most likely some kind of Narnia-like parallel dimension that is based on and functions according to the rules of the television show, not the actual literal television show itself. My guess is that the remote control magically created a separate 'Pleasantville' dimension for the characters to inhabit, and no one else watching the ''Pleasantville'' TV marathon noticed anything different at all.
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** The best guess is that it works similarly to Sam Beckett in QuantumLeap. They are different people, but everyone else sees and hears the original people. Just like in QuantumLeap, nobody would make the assumption, "Gee, they sure are acting different. I bet they've been replaced by somebody else temporarily." Because that's pretty far fetched. The only difference is that there is no goal of "leaping", hence no point of keeping their identity a secret and thus you have the ending where the Pleasantville folks understand that Bud and Mary Jane aren't the same people.

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** The best guess is that it works similarly to Sam Beckett in QuantumLeap.Series/QuantumLeap. They are different people, but everyone else sees and hears the original people. Just like in QuantumLeap, Series/QuantumLeap, nobody would make the assumption, "Gee, they sure are acting different. I bet they've been replaced by somebody else temporarily." Because that's pretty far fetched. The only difference is that there is no goal of "leaping", hence no point of keeping their identity a secret and thus you have the ending where the Pleasantville folks understand that Bud and Mary Jane aren't the same people.
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* Did David and Jennifer's intrusion forever alter those ''Pleasantville'' episodes? As in what we saw in the movie are what viewers in-universe are going to see in those episodes from now on. This may also confuse hardcore ''Pleasantville'' fans as well as any of the show's living creators or cast members not recalling doing any of that during filming. Could the alteration have worked retroactively making whatever happens in those episodes now ''what they've always been''?

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* Did David and Jennifer's intrusion forever alter those ''Pleasantville'' episodes? As in what we saw in the movie are what viewers in-universe are going to see in those episodes from now on. This may also confuse hardcore ''Pleasantville'' fans as well as any of the show's living creators or cast members not recalling doing any of that during filming. Could the alteration have worked retroactively making whatever happens in those episodes now as ''what they've always been''?
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* Did David and Jennifer's intrusion forever alter those ''Pleasantville'' episodes? As in what we saw in the movie are what viewers in-universe are going to see in those episodes from now on. This may also confuse hardcore ''Pleasantville'' fans as well as any of the show's living creators or cast members not recalling doing any of that during filming. Could the alteration have worked retroactively making the episode?

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* Did David and Jennifer's intrusion forever alter those ''Pleasantville'' episodes? As in what we saw in the movie are what viewers in-universe are going to see in those episodes from now on. This may also confuse hardcore ''Pleasantville'' fans as well as any of the show's living creators or cast members not recalling doing any of that during filming. Could the alteration have worked retroactively making the episode?whatever happens in those episodes now ''what they've always been''?

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** Maybe Pleasantville runs on Comic Book Time and she won't age...

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** Maybe Pleasantville ''Pleasantville'' runs on Comic Book Time and she won't age...



*** It's not out of the realm of possibility that a town has more than one highschool. Like Beverly Hills High vs. West Beverly for example. And makes sense in the scheme of no "outside of pleasantville."

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*** It's not out of the realm of possibility that a town has more than one highschool.high school. Like Beverly Hills High vs. West Beverly for example. And makes sense in the scheme of no "outside of pleasantville."



* What good is it for Jennifer to go to college in the Pleasantville universe? It's not like it'll change her (presumably shitty) real-world grades, nor will her Pleasantville degree be honored by real-world employers. Does she plan on staying in Pleasantville forever?

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* What good is it for Jennifer to go to college in the Pleasantville ''Pleasantville'' universe? It's not like it'll change her (presumably shitty) real-world grades, nor will her Pleasantville degree be honored by real-world employers. Does she plan on staying in Pleasantville forever?



** Taking into account that Pleasantville is a show, you could think that it poofed into existence with all of them in their pre-defined positions, and not knowing anything else than they need to make their sitcom.

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** Taking into account that Pleasantville ''Pleasantville'' is a show, you could think that it poofed into existence with all of them in their pre-defined positions, and not knowing anything else than they need to make their sitcom.



** Pleasantville parodies older TV shows, and one aspect of this parody is that they never address things like sex, or even allude to it. Shoot, in the 1950's, married couples on TV couldn't even share a bed.

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** Pleasantville ''Pleasantville'' parodies older TV shows, and one aspect of this parody is that they never address things like sex, or even allude to it. Shoot, in the 1950's, married couples on TV couldn't even share a bed.



* Wow the mom is in color now! Great huh? Until you realise gaining colour is usually associated with sex, [[ADateWithRosiePalms her husband was still black and white]]
** Gaining colour was associated with CharacterDevelopment. The husband gained colour when he felt real love for the first time. With regards to sex, the mom said her husband "would never do that kind of thing" for her, meaning he is oblivious of sex as much as she was. Hence the bathtub scene and [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic the tree bursting into flames]].
** The above is correct. Though it's quite clear what she's doing in the bathtub but not everybody who had sex was in colour and not everybody who was in colour ended that way because of sex. Bud's change occur when Bud he defends his TV mom from the bullies and Mary-Sue's when she decides to study instead of having sex.

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* Wow the mom is in color now! Great huh? Until you realise realize gaining colour color is usually associated with sex, [[ADateWithRosiePalms her husband was still black and white]]
** Gaining colour was associated with CharacterDevelopment. The husband gained colour color when he felt real love for the first time. With regards to sex, the mom said her husband "would never do that kind of thing" for her, meaning he is oblivious of sex as much as she was. Hence the bathtub scene and [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic the tree bursting into flames]].
** The above is correct. Though it's quite clear what she's doing in the bathtub but not everybody who had sex was in colour color and not everybody who was in colour color ended that way because of sex. Bud's change occur when Bud he defends his TV mom from the bullies and Mary-Sue's when she decides to study instead of having sex.



** Because they're in the show's narrative universe. Think of it as stepping into a book -- you're meeting the character, not the author. Thus, while actors may have come up with explanations for various things, their speculation never made it into the series -- inside Pleasantville, anything that never appeared in the series simply doesn't exist.

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** Because they're in the show's narrative universe. Think of it as stepping into a book -- you're meeting the character, not the author. Thus, while actors may have come up with explanations for various things, their speculation never made it into the series -- inside Pleasantville, ''Pleasantville'', anything that never appeared in the series simply doesn't exist.


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* Did David and Jennifer's intrusion forever alter those ''Pleasantville'' episodes? As in what we saw in the movie are what viewers in-universe are going to see in those episodes from now on. This may also confuse hardcore ''Pleasantville'' fans as well as any of the show's living creators or cast members not recalling doing any of that during filming. Could the alteration have worked retroactively making the episode?
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** It's more of a "things have to get worse before they can get better." Pleasantville represents a complacent society. In order for society to grow past it's complacency and allow individual freedoms, parts of that society have to be confronted, destroyed, etc.
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* So is this film basically an allusion of how boomers ruined society? Because if you ignore the obvious bias that the film shows towards most of the male characters in Pleasantville and focus solely on the teenagers as a whole, you start to see the film starts portraying that not everything about the counterculture movements in the 50's to the 70's as a good thing. As Pleasantville literally starts falling into disarray.

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* So is this film basically an allusion of how boomers ruined society? Because if you ignore the obvious bias that the film shows towards most of the female characters compared to the male characters in Pleasantville and focus solely on the teenagers as a whole, you start to see the film starts portraying that not everything about the counterculture movements in the 50's to the 70's as a good thing. As Pleasantville literally starts falling into disarray.
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* So is this film basically an allusion of how boomers ruined society? Because if you ignore the obvious bias that the film shows towards the most of male characters in Pleasantville and focus solely on the teenagers as a whole, you start to see the film starts portraying that not everything about the counterculture movements in the 50's to the 70's as a good thing. As Pleasantville literally starts falling into disarray.

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* So is this film basically an allusion of how boomers ruined society? Because if you ignore the obvious bias that the film shows towards the most of the male characters in Pleasantville and focus solely on the teenagers as a whole, you start to see the film starts portraying that not everything about the counterculture movements in the 50's to the 70's as a good thing. As Pleasantville literally starts falling into disarray.
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* So is this film basically an allusion of how boomers ruined society? Because if you ignore the obvious bias that the film shows towards the most of male characters in Pleasantville and focus solely on the teenagers as a whole, you start to see the film starts portraying that not everything about the counterculture movements in the 50's to the 70's as a good thing. As Pleasantville literally starts falling into disarray.
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** When things start colorizing, a background character mentions seeing something that was "''red'' red." I got the impression that while characters are aware that everything's in black & white, the conceit that it was black & white versions of colors was kept in place.

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** When things start colorizing, a background character mentions seeing something that was "''red'' red." I got the impression that while characters are aware that everything's in black & white, the conceit concept that it was black & white versions of colors was kept in place.
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*** Who says she's going to be focussing only on science? In any case, she'll almost certainly return to her own world no older than she left it, just like her brother did, so she'll have plenty of opportunity to correct any gaps or errors in her 1950s education.
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** There's almost certainly some Narnia stuff going on; no matter how long the characters spend in the TV world, they will no doubt return to their own world looking no different than when they left and within a time span that won't cause anyone to wonder to much where they've been.


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** There's almost certainly some kind of NarniaTime thing going on with Pleasantville. David/Bud spends a week or so in Pleasantville, but when he returns home it's probably only been a couple of hours at most. For all we know, Jennifer showed up again maybe a few more hours later, looking no different but having undergone something of a personality shift.
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** Because they're in the show's narrative universe. Think of it as stepping into a book -- you're meeting the character, not the author. Thus, while actors may have come up with explanations for various things, their speculation never made it into the series -- inside Pleasantville, anything that never appeared in the series simply doesn't exist.
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** It's the inverse of ''InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers'', with emotions being ''introduced'' to the citizens, seen from the POV of the "invaders".

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** It's the inverse of ''InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers'', ''Film/InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers'', with emotions being ''introduced'' to the citizens, seen from the POV of the "invaders".
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** He may not have to. Note the ending — the whole events of David's time in the show take up just one hour of real time. So Jennifer could conceivably spend three years in college and then return with about a weekend passing in the real world. Now given Jennifer being who she is, would it really be so surprising for her to just vanish for a random weekend? Doubtful.

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** He may not have to. Note the ending — the whole events of David's time in the show take up just one hour of real time. So Jennifer could conceivably spend three years in college and then return with about a weekend passing in the real world. Now given Jennifer being who she is, would it really be so surprising for her to just vanish for a random weekend? Doubtful.Doubtful - especially with her brother covering for her.
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** Well a lot of things don't make sense with a limited geometry. Where are they getting their water? Food? Supplies? At some point they will cease to able to produce what they have in such a limited space. Where are they getting the supplies they don't use? Someone has to make them. Who brought in all those books for library? How about the United States? Do they or do they know how it's history if they have it's flag?
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** You're 100% right, original guy, but it's still not a sell you can make. Because everybody in our world with our messed up human emotions IS happier once they rationalize the terrible things they're stuck with as being in some wholly unsupported way 'for the best'. So we say 'loss makes you appreciate what you have more', and 'failure teaches you more than success', and 'change destroying everything you care about is fine because it brings with it exciting new things'. Because we'd rather live in OUR fantasy world where those things we have absolutely no power to get rid of are in some way to our genuine benefit... no, even BETTER than what everybody else has. Just because they're ours and we can't not have them. So we ruin everything of theirs until whats ours is all they have to cling to and portray it as a victory to convince ourselves, again, for the eightieth time, because for SOME reason it keeps not sticking.
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*** This explanation falls apart when you consider one of the last scenes, in the courtroom, where the mayor becomes colored because he's the one trying the hardest to keep things the way they were.
*** That's not why he becomes colored. He becomes colored when he stops trying to hold back the changes.
*** Actually he becomes colored when he lets himself feel anger.

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*** This explanation falls apart when you consider one of the last scenes, in the courtroom, where the mayor becomes colored colorized because he's the one trying the hardest to keep things the way they were.
*** That's not why he becomes colored. colorized. He becomes colored colorized when he stops trying to hold back the changes.
*** Actually he becomes colored colorized when he lets himself feel anger.
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*** We have entire tropes like [[ScienceMarchesOn]] dedicated to why a world set in the 1950s would give Jennifer a nearly worthless science education in the world of the late 1990's/early 2000's.

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*** We have entire tropes like [[ScienceMarchesOn]] ScienceMarchesOn dedicated to why a world set in the 1950s would give Jennifer a nearly worthless science education in the world of the late 1990's/early 2000's.



*** This is also seen at the town meeting once the issue starts getting more urgent. One woman accuses a man's door of being "blue". His response is "its always been blue!" so they've always known the color things were, but now they can actually see it.

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*** This is also seen at the town meeting once the issue starts getting more urgent. One woman accuses a man's door of being "blue". His response is "its "it's always been blue!" so they've always known the color things were, but now they can actually see it.
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**** This is the correct thing. The mayor was previously nothing but the "big, jovial, easygoing guy whose entire thing is acting like he cares about everyone (with a side of being a bit of an overbearing minor jerk for light jokes)" type. When he gets angry, but more when he admits to being angry about the changes and ''not'' caring about the people he's hurting, that's when he becomes colorized.
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*** Ultimately it's not about the sex, but what the sex represented for many of the people. For Mary-Sue having sex meant nothing, and never had... abandoning her dynamic of meaningless sex to better herself represented her character development. For the mother, it was about taking some time to just think about herself and do something to please herself, as opposed to being totally devoted to and thinking of nothing but her family... to be, in the teeniest, tiniest, smallest way a little bit selfish.
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**** There's no reason to think that every single bit of food they've ever eaten is just sitting around inside them. The food just goes into them and disappears without thinking further about it, like every other inconvenient or "dirty" thing.
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*** Actually he becomes colored when he lets himself feel anger.
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** Yeah, that was the only part of the movie that really grated with me… I did kind of wonder how her twin brother explained that one to the rest of the family. Also, you’d think that people would raise eyebrows when she showed up with her “Class of ‘58″ high school diploma or whatever. And what if the show got canceled by the network? Would that leave her in limbo or something?
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** The best guess is that it works similarly to Sam Beckett in QuantumLeap. They are different people, but everyone else sees and hears the original people. Just like in QuantumLeap, nobody would make the assumption, "Gee, they sure are acting different. I bet they've been replaced by somebody else temporarily." Because that's pretty far fetched. The only difference is that there is no goal of "leaping", hence no point of keeping their identity a secret and thus you have the ending where the Pleasantville folks understand that Bud and Mary Jane aren't the same people.
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*** That's not why he becomes colored. He becomes colored when he stops trying to hold back the changes.
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*** It's more than "several days". They arrive in April 1958 (we see the calendar in the first scene inside the show), and Jennifer is leaving for college when David comes back. Since she would have to finish high school first, it's at least June and more likely August at the end. If four months = one hour in our world, four years of college is twelve hours. So at worst, Jennifer would only be gone for that one night. I rather suspect her mother is used to that!

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*** It's more than "several days". They arrive in April 1958 (we see the calendar in the first scene inside the show), and Jennifer is leaving for college when David comes back. Since she would have to finish high school first, it's at least June and more likely August at the end. If four months = one hour in our world, four years of college is twelve hours. So at worst, Jennifer would only be gone for that one night. I rather suspect her mother is used to that!that! (Yes, this contradicts Gary Ross' timeline of 1 hour = 1 week; but even Ross himself said that wasn't based on anything.)
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*** It's more than "several days". They arrive in April 1958 (we see the calendar in the first scene inside the show), and Jennifer is leaving for college when David comes back. Since she would have to finish high school first, it's at least June and more likely August at the end. If four months = one hour in our world, four years of college is twelve hours. So at worst, Jennifer would only be gone for that one night. I rather suspect her mother is used to that!

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