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*** The idea that the Wall no longer exists in 4th edition is a common misconception. More accurately, it's simply not mentioned in the single paragraph about the Fugue Plane, which more or less explains that Kelemvor hangs out there and he sorts the dead. It doesn't say what happens to any of them, it doesn't say the Wall was removed, and it doesn't say he doesn't imprison Faithless there still. It's just another example of the bare bones nature of the 4th edition version of ''ForgottenRealms''. Saying that the Wall doesn't exist is like saying the Celestial Bureaucracy of Kara-Tur doesn't exist anymore - that may be true, but we have no way of telling since the subject is simply never approached.

* Add up everyone you kill in Neverwinter and subtract it from the population set in the ForgottenRealms books. You just killed a sizable chunk of it.

*** The only way it makes sense is if Deekin went the bard route in Hordes, or, if Hordes actually takes place AFTER {{NWN2}}, durring Mask of the Betrayer. (I think I'm wrong about that, but I don't want to dig to find out.)

*** That's likely the truth. Most fluff writers for FR and a hell of a lot of DMs, those who were playing AD&D especially, tend to treat Raise Dead as little more than Magical CPR (the older ones probably throw in Princess Bride jokes). And True Resurrection is also generally treated as something that won't work if the body is too fucked (that's Wish material). Even the 3rd edition FRCS core book is generally accused of treating the game as "3rd edition AD&D" (which D&D 3 and 4 is very far removed from) in terms of disconnect from the modern core rules.

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** Three words: Main/WomenInRefrigerators.

*** [[{{Planescape}} +1]].

* Myrkul mentions that the spirit eater curse also gave him a form of immortality by abusing GodsNeedPrayerBadly. The problem here is that this was not the case until after the time of troubles, many years after the rebellion, not to mention Myrkul's death. On the other hand, BaldursGate forgot about this too.

*** Which is extremely ironic (Myrkul would be in stitches), considering the actual, stated authors' reason for why they didn't allow the player to go ahead and fuck up the Wall was that... they figured WotC would never agree to let them do that on account of StatusQuoIsGod, and thus nixed the idea from the get go rather than gamble on developing the game in that direction only to be cock-blocked by the license holders 3 days from release.

** I think the leadership of the city of Neverwinter is quite underestimated. Nasher is said to be a retired adventurer in both games, and has spent a considerable amount of time in the underdark, so hie has to be somewhere between level 20 and 30 as well. Thats the least I expect from a supposedly great retired adventurer. Accordingly Sir Nevalle as his right hand man has to be around level 20 as well.

** There's only a chronological issue if you don't alter your elf character's age from the default. Sure, the ''Player's Handbook'' states that elves' default age is 120 or so, but the Forgotten Realms novels have been ignoring that forever -- most of ''TheLegendOfDrizzt'' takes place with the title character in his forties. Elves seem to be physically mature around the same time humans are, but ''other elves'' don't treat them as adults until they've passed their first century.

*** I would have to agree that the game does force you toward the two extremes. The alignment points assigned to certain choices are very often disagreeable. This troper found that when you reach the fork in Neverwinter, choosing between Town Watch and Shadow Thieves, is when you start really getting pushed into the Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil alignments. Playing as a Chaotic Good, you absolutely can't join the Town Watch since you're chaotic, despite being good, and you can't do good while rolling with the Shadow Thieves (I expected to be able to do things like tipping off your would-be-victims, or handing over important information to the town watch to foil the Shadow Thieves plans, assuming your character is more good than chaotic). Similarly, pulling off a Lawful Evil in spirit is equally difficult; most of the lawful choices don't actually express the lawfulness of "lawful evil", as I felt the game saw "lawful" only in its most literal form. Also, for some reason, purging the Town Watch was considered "chaotic". So unfortunately, your would-be [[{{Warhammer40000}} SPESS MAHREEN]] / LawfulAnal Paladin would have some serious alignment compatibility issues when he shouldn't, resulting in an unforgivable shortage of [[Blog/ThingsMrWelchIsNoLongerAllowedToDoInAnRPG "GOOD FOR THE GOOD GOD"]] battle cries. So at the very least, there wasn't a very comprehensive understanding of alignment in the choices you could make.

** But... but... * snap* [[TabletopGame//DungeonsAndDragons DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS]]! FIFTY POUNDS OF RULEBOOKS! NOT FINAL FANTASY! DEATH HAPPENS! AND THEN IT UNHAPPENS! EXPEND ONE FIFTH-LEVEL SPELL SLOT AND CALL ME IN THE MORNING! THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING! I NEED ''+5 VORPAL SCISSORS''! 1d6!

** But... but... * snap* [[Main/DungeonsAndDragons DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS]]! FIFTY POUNDS OF RULEBOOKS! NOT FINAL FANTASY! DEATH HAPPENS! AND THEN IT UNHAPPENS! EXPEND ONE FIFTH-LEVEL SPELL SLOT AND CALL ME IN THE MORNING! THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING! I NEED ''+5 VORPAL SCISSORS''! 1d6!

* As in most ''DungeonsAndDragons'' [=CRPGs=] there's a bit of a chronological issue if the Knight-Captain is any race besides [[HumansAreAverage human]], [[{{Hobbits}} halfling]], [[HalfHumanHybrid half-elf, half-orc, or planetouched]]. If you're any other race then you'd logically be too old for the story to make sense. The time factor is figured out mostly through the age of other characters, such as Shandra Jerro, who's implied to be about the same age and whose grandfather was present at your birth (sort of).

*** I would have to agree that the game does force you toward the two extremes. The alignment points assigned to certain choices are very often disagreeable. This troper found that when you reach the fork in Neverwinter, choosing between Town Watch and Shadow Thieves, is when you start really getting pushed into the Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil alignments. Playing as a Chaotic Good, you absolutely can't join the Town Watch since you're chaotic, despite being good, and you can't do good while rolling with the Shadow Thieves (I expected to be able to do things like tipping off your would-be-victims, or handing over important information to the town watch to foil the Shadow Thieves plans, assuming your character is more good than chaotic). Similarly, pulling off a Lawful Evil in spirit is equally difficult; most of the lawful choices don't actually express the lawfulness of "lawful evil", as I felt the game saw "lawful" only in its most literal form. Also, for some reason, purging the Town Watch was considered "chaotic". So unfortunately, your would-be [[{{Warhammer40000}} SPESS MAHREEN]] / LawfulAnal Paladin would have some serious alignment compatibility issues when he shouldn't, resulting in an unforgivable shortage of [[{{ThingsMrWelchIsNoLongerAllowedToDoInAnRPG}} "GOOD FOR THE GOOD GOD"]] battle cries. So at the very least, there wasn't a very comprehensive understanding of alignment in the choices you could make.