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*** It's easy to interpret as a sort of TakeThat to the Middle East situation, but in the game itself, no, they never mentioned the Iraq War. A situation in that approximate region is part of the plot, but we can safely assume that the Iraq War never happened in the Metal Gear universe.
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**** I imagine there was some amount of physical combat involved. My best guess is she clocked him in the head with the butt of her railgun when she got an opportunity.
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** Solidus is a very polite killer. While they're fighting Raiden just says "Hold on man, I gotta take this call. Gimme like 5 minutes."
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**** That doesn't really answer the question about Raiden not recognising Solidus as the former president. In-universe, Solidus/George Sears resigned after Shadow Moses, 4 years before the Big Shell incident. I don't think Raiden's short-term memory is that bad.
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* Given how depraved some of the stuff on the Internet would get would the Patriots really feel like touching '''every''' piece of "junk" data? I mean would they really wanna touch stuff like Rule 34 or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife TV Tropes]] just to remove "trivial" information? Aren't there more politically radical websites that would deserve their attention or would the Internet culture's sense of humor be attacked as well?
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* Given how depraved some of the stuff on the Internet would get would the Patriots really feel like touching '''every''' piece of "junk" data? I mean would they really wanna touch stuff like Rule 34 or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife TV Tropes]] just to remove "trivial" information? Aren't there more politically radical websites that would deserve their attention or would the Internet culture's sense of humor be attacked as well?well?
* Why did the powers that be make the placeholder name for The Patriots, namely "la-li-lu-le-lo", nearly impossible to pronounce in Japanese, this game's home language?
** Because it was supposed to be and sound like gibberish.
* Why did the powers that be make the placeholder name for The Patriots, namely "la-li-lu-le-lo", nearly impossible to pronounce in Japanese, this game's home language?
** Because it was supposed to be and sound like gibberish.
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**** It was the AI all along, it has Campbell on the nametag because Raiden thought he was the same Colonel as the one from Shadow Mosses. The Patriots always intended it to be a replica of Shadow Mosses, Snake's appearance didn't really cahnge anything.
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**** Could we get a citation on that? Because the game never says any of that, and supports my theory more. For example, all the wounds he got in 2 are still on his body in 4, but all of the new wounds he gets in 4 are healed up completely by the nanomachines. And Naomi herself says that he already had an impressive regen ability;
->Naomi: He was never immortal. His natural healing abilities were enhanced by the nanomachines inside his body. But after so many battles... He's finally reached his limit.
**** Also his shadow attack was not technological in nature, Otacon suggested it was more hypnotic in nature. And he can sit on the water because he does have some degree of supernatural power. The nanomachines in 4 were just to keep his body from falling apart.
->Naomi: He was never immortal. His natural healing abilities were enhanced by the nanomachines inside his body. But after so many battles... He's finally reached his limit.
**** Also his shadow attack was not technological in nature, Otacon suggested it was more hypnotic in nature. And he can sit on the water because he does have some degree of supernatural power. The nanomachines in 4 were just to keep his body from falling apart.
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** This doesn't answer your question, but I love how someone is actually complaining that they didn't retcon the games ''[[BeyondTheImpossible enough]]'' for a change.
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*** Did you forget that it's a huge major plot point that Raiden explicitly doesn't remember his past?
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** You'd think he'd recognize him as his adoptive father as well?
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* When Raiden sees Solidus for the first time, shouldn't he recognise him as the former president?
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** This doesn't answer your question, but I love how someone is actually complaining that they didn't retcon the games ''[[BeyondTheImpossible enough]]'' for a change.
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** This doesn't answer your question, but I love how someone is actually complaining that they didn't retcon the games ''[[BeyondTheImpossible enough]]'' for a change.change.
* How does anyone in reality confuse Raiden for a woman? He's whiny, has no stubble, and thick platinum-blonde hair, but otherwise, his voice, body build, and facial features are pretty clearly masculine. Basically, sure he's not a gritty badass but if there are people who actually did ever look at him and think "yep, that's definitely a chick" it seems to me they need to take a closer look at real women more often.
** The President mistakenly confuses Raiden as a female because he thought it was Olga, who he thought the Patriots were sending after him. To be fair to both of them, they ''do'' look a bit similar and on the ambiguous side, with Raiden having very feminine features and Olga having very neutral, not too feminine features. Plus the President had been held hostage, so it's possible he was delusional.
*** If the president thought Raiden was Olga, why did he try to grab his Raiden's groin? I could understand him attempting a punch but last time I checked from a self-defence point of view there really isn't anything down there to grab on a clothed female. He would have been better off either going for her stomach or improvising a weapon from the furniture or machinery in his cell.
**** He really didn't thought Raiden was Olga, he simply wasn't sure if was Olga or some effeminate guy that looked like her so he did the crotch grabbing test to find out for sure.
**** Yet another way to mock Raiden, perhaps?
* I'm mostly just pissed about his name. Three common states of matter: solid, liquid and gas. Three sons of the Big Boss: Solid, Liquid, and... Solidus? Okay, so Gas Snake sounds goofy, but why not Vapor Snake?
** Thats actually an awesome name for him.
** Think about it for a while. Solidus's genetic structure is a balance between Liquids and Solids. If he was Vapor, it would imply that Liquid is in between Solid and George Sears. Solidus refers to the temperature where a solid object begins to melt, but is not always completely melted.
** Yes, I get what solidus means, I just don't get how it's supposed to describe George Sears. He's older looking than Snake,a much bigger jerk-ass than both Snake and Liquid, and he ends up being compared most often to the original Big Boss. So what part of that makes him "between" Solid and Liquid? If anything, he's like Liquid Snake, only more so.
*** Solidus is a direct clone of Big Boss; no genetic manipulation and possibly created before the rest of the Enfants. His brothers were modified to tip their genetic balance, giving Liquid only recessive 'Soldier' genes and Solid only dominant 'normal' genes. As Solidus has a normal compliment of both dominant and recessive genes, he is balanced between the other two.
* How was Solidus the President at age 33, when the U.S. Constitution requires the President to be at least 35?
** The Patriots wanted him to be President, and they run the country. It's not impossible that A. as a clone, he could have been aged a bit to look over 35 and B. he could have ''lied about his age''.
** Solidus sure didn't ''look'' to be in his 30s/40s by the time of [=MGS2=], so even though his Presidency was a few years in the past by then, he would have definetly looked to be the right age.
** Given his appearance, it would be easy for him to forge papers which legally certify him as well over 35. Either that, or The Patriots passed a constitutional amendment to lower the required age; they DO run the country, after all.
* More on Solidus. Back before [=MGS2=] came out, I didn't mind that there was a super duper Big Boss clone named Solidus. What I did mind, and what I think counts as a massive case of FridgeLogic is that Solidus was the President of the United States. Granted in the chaos of the Shadow Moses incident, Solid and co. wouldn't stop and take a moment to ponder, "Gee, the Commander in Chief sure looks a lot like Big Boss, doesn't he?" and I think it's a shame that they couldn't have had a stinger with the POTUS decorating Snake for his actions and saying something like "Excellent work... ''brother.'' " And furthermore, why wouldn't the Patriots or someone else tell the media that it was the ex-President, and not Solid Snake? It sounds a lot more plausible that a disgraced American President would be behind a terrorist action than a "terrorist" who "died" two years ago.
** Because the Patriots had a vested interest in giving Snake a rap sheet to prevent him from becomming an icon outside of the people who take "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses" seriously. Snake wasn't just going away, and blaming the Big Shell on him (made easier by Solidus himself deciding to use Snake's name) maintains the blame-game. Besideswhich, it's likely that the general public found out it was George Sears anyway, what with him being dead on the steps of Federal Hall at the end. As discussed elsewhere, this could, as you said, actually help the Patriots in the long run.
* If at the end of [=MGS2=] [[spoiler: the Patriots - except for Ocelot - have all been dead for several years (100 if I recall correctly)]] then how can they have [[spoiler: been the manipulative force of most of the events of the series, AND how could one of them have been amongst Snake and Otacon's biggest contributors? Were they all AI's like the Colonel was?]]
** Yes, [[spoiler: they were all AIs.]] This seeming discrepancy is one of the key plot points [[Main/TheReveal revealed]] in [=MGS4=]
** [[spoiler:The "dead for 100 years" thing was bunk. Most of the series takes place after the AIs have come online to take everything over. [=MGS4=] explains everything pretty handily.]]
** No no no, [[spoiler: They weren't AIs and the "dead for almost 100 years" line was true; but not for the Patriots. The list of names obtained from GW contained the names of the Wiseman's Committee: The leadership of the Philosophers, of whom the last of the original members ''did'' die almost a hundred years ago. With this, the last memory of the Philosophers would vanish; they were "ended", as Ocelot said he'd do to them in Portable Ops when the Patriots were just him and Zero.]]
** [[spoiler: The 12 men who were dead for 100 years were the Wisemen's Committee, the founders of the previous organization, the Philosophers. Their names were used by the modernday Patriots as their aliases, to distract from their true identities as AI's.]]
*** No, no, no. The [[spoiler:Philosophers were founded to fight ''World War II''. Therefore the founders were alive in the 1940s and later, and couldn't have been dead for 100 years by the time of [=MGS2=], which took place in the early 21st century. That was ''a red herring''.]]
**** [[spoiler:"The last of the original members died in the 1930's." -The Boss. The Philosophers weren't founded for WWII. They died closer to 80 years before [=MGS2=], though.]]
* If [[spoiler:the Colonel was an AI in [=MGS2=]]] was he the same in [=MGS1=]?
** No, as Snake met the Colonel face-to-face in briefing prior to the mission, based on the novelization.
*** You don't need the novel for that, the pre-mission briefing shows a long-haired Snake being briefed by the Colonel, and IIRC he's also seen as a flesh-and-blood man on the submarine ''Discovery'' during the intro.
*** 'They' say that Campbell in that one is always an AI constructed from Raiden's idea of what his CO would look like, based on the Shadow Moses simulations, but he's always just referred to as "Colonel", never Campbell, and if he IS an artificial construct, why does his nametag say "Campbell"? Is it possible that the real deal Campbell was CO at the outset of the mission, but then after they realized Snake was in play, they pulled the ol' switcheroo? I mean, Campbell is obviously a real person, seeing as how Solid AND Big Boss have worked with him, but, really, how hard is it to snatch someone and replace them on CODEC? Liquid did it with Miller, and Snake should have known Miller better than anyone.
* Okay, so ''Metal Gear Solid 2''. Ocelot exposits his master plan as being to put someone through a recreation of Shadow Moses in order to prove that putting someone through that will make anyone as badass as Solid Snake. But Shadow Moses isn't what made Solid Snake badass--he was already a true badass, otherwise he wouldn't have been sent to deal with it.
** Considering the ''very next scene'' dismisses that it is actually the case...
** The plan wasn't to make someone as ''badass'' as Solid Snake, it was to make someone ''as big a hero in the public eye'' as Snake was after Shadow Moses.
* If Fortune's magnetic luck device,is the same size as Ocelot's how come she didn't notice it earlier? it's not that hard to miss. also if she truly wanted to commit suicide why didn't she just take a knife and slit her throat? I'm sure that the device wouldn't have that much control that it could actually stop her from doing that, as it seems to focus solely on blocking artillery assaults.
** She was a drama queen who wanted to die in combat. If she wanted to die, she probably could have jumped off a building too.
** I was under the impression that Ocelot's device was the one that shielded Fortune--remotely. Far-fetched, maybe, but it already was. Alternatively, her device may have been inside her railgun or something. Either way, she couldn't have noticed it and Ocelot had the means to turn it off remotely. Also, I suspect she was convinced that committing suicide wouldn't work, leaving her in terrible pain. The drama queen explanation is just as likely, though.
* What was the ''point'' of the tanker mission? Philanthropy's purpose before knowledge of the Patriots came to light was tracking down and destroying Metal Gear REX knockoffs built by anyone with the money to buy the information off the black market, thus preventing the stealth-nuclear weapon REX is designed to fire from being mass-produced and starting a new nuclear arms race unchecked by Mutually Assured Destruction. Metal Gear RAY does not mount the rail gun necessary to fire the stealth-nuke, is not large enough to fire a traditional ICBM like the Shagohod and previous Metal Gears, and is specifically designed for the ''US Marines'' to use ''in taking down REX knockoffs.'' How is this anything but ''in line'' with Philanthropy's goals?
** The point was to expose that the US Military was making its own Metal Gear. Philanthropy isn't anti-REX, it's anti ''Metal Gear''.
*** That just makes it even sillier; without nuclear launch capability, RAY isn't a true Metal Gear (Otacon may have actually said this in ''Guns of the Patriots'' when discussing how the Gekko aren't Metal Gears either, I can't remember exactly,) it's just a walking tank that can also swim. Granted, this ''does'' make it a rather fearsome weapon, a tank that can follow soldiers or move to an engagement over any terrain, but it's still a ''conventional'' weapon. If Philanthropy's philosophy is simply "if someone sticks the name Metal Gear on it, it's got to go," it's more than a little short-sighted and not entirely in character. Otacon, at least, should be perfectly capable of sitting down and looking over the pros and cons of any given situation, and for that matter, they ''have'' something called Metal Gear much later. If they didn't care about RAY itself and just wanted to expose the government for having a huge cover-up, wouldn't that have happened anyway the first time the Marines used RAY out in the open to pwn someone's crappy REX knockoff? Not that they ever got the chance, but Snake and Otacon wouldn't have known that.
**** Let me think of a way to make this workable... okay, what about if what they are scared of is that someone will reverse-engineer the RAY's advances (for example, it lacks a radome as its only input device, which means a weakness is gone) and fit them into a new REX design, or some other new walking robot which IS capable of launching nukes? That would make true Metal Gears harder to take down from that point on.
***** I believe the real question here is; why did they build a giant robot to hunt other giant robots? If they can deploy a giant robot, can't they just deploy conventional munitions against REX knockoffs? In any case it wouldn't have been revealed ''to the public'' if RAY was used against a REX knockoff; your average elimination mission wouldn't really have the assets used advertised. The point of the mission was to raise public awareness by showing off the measures the US government were taking against Metal Gear proliferation, and thus gain support for anti-Metal Gear efforts.
***** Well for one, remember that the mission in the Tanker level was not to destroy Metal Gear - it was to take photographs so that the public was aware of the kind of weapons the military were using. Secondly, from a formal perspective, the Tanker mission was necessary to frustrate players even more. They thought they were getting a new game starring Solid Snake (the cover art points to this, as does the title screen). Then, throughout the Tanker, Snake fails to impress. His new 'stealth moves' like throwing bodies off the boat eventually frame him, the only cardboard box he gets is a sopping wet mess, the only boss is a pregnant woman with a pistol rather a cool FOXHOUND-like boss with special powers, there's a long shoot-out section where stealth goes out the window, Snake can sneeze and give himself away and eventually the mission is a failure. Then, we're introduced to Raiden who wants to be Solid Snake and that fails too - the whole thing is just to frustrate the player until Raiden 'awakens' and gains the sword.
* In a similar vein, what made Arsenal a Metal Gear? A nuclear-launching bipedal battle tank and a world communications hub don't have that much in common. For that matter, if it's primary role was censorship why was it even called Arsenal?
** Because it's an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_ship Arsenal Ship]]. But it's certainly not a Metal Gear in any sense the term has been used previously in the series.
** To be fair, I dont think they ever call it a Metal Gear, just an Arsenal Gear. I guess if they'd made flying Gears, theyd have a different 'first' name too, to differentiate them.
* Why didn't Raiden go ahead of Emma in [=MGS2=], or ''test'' to see if it could hold them both, then go across the bridge next to her? If he went ahead of her, he could've taken out everything in her way so she could walk across all dandy and he could possibly be in a better position to [[spoiler: save her from Vamp before she could get shanked.]] If it could hold them both and they both went across, Raiden could even ''better'' protect Emma from the things trying to kill her on the bridge [[spoiler: AND from getting Vamp'd]], since he'd be right next to her and able to [[spoiler: shoot Vamp in the face on reflex]]. And before you tell me that going across together was impossible from the get go, let me remind you that it was able to hold Snake ''carrying'' Emma, and I'm pretty sure Snake weighs a little ''more'' than Raiden. Did Kojima just feel like putting some sniping in the game or what?
** Emma was afraid of the water, so Raiden didn't want to risk her falling into the ocean and having a panic attack (Yes they could have both gone, but Raiden didn't know that for sure and the price for being wrong was pretty high). Plus did you miss the part where there were sentries around? He needed to stick around so he could have the best view to protect her. Plus he had no guarentee that more soldiers wouldn't come down the way they did, so he had to stay there to protect their flank.
* Given how depraved some of the stuff on the Internet would get would the Patriots really feel like touching '''every''' piece of "junk" data? I mean would they really wanna touch stuff like Rule 34 or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife TV Tropes]] just to remove "trivial" information? Aren't there more politically radical websites that would deserve their attention or would the Internet culture's sense of humor be attacked as well?
* How does anyone in reality confuse Raiden for a woman? He's whiny, has no stubble, and thick platinum-blonde hair, but otherwise, his voice, body build, and facial features are pretty clearly masculine. Basically, sure he's not a gritty badass but if there are people who actually did ever look at him and think "yep, that's definitely a chick" it seems to me they need to take a closer look at real women more often.
** The President mistakenly confuses Raiden as a female because he thought it was Olga, who he thought the Patriots were sending after him. To be fair to both of them, they ''do'' look a bit similar and on the ambiguous side, with Raiden having very feminine features and Olga having very neutral, not too feminine features. Plus the President had been held hostage, so it's possible he was delusional.
*** If the president thought Raiden was Olga, why did he try to grab his Raiden's groin? I could understand him attempting a punch but last time I checked from a self-defence point of view there really isn't anything down there to grab on a clothed female. He would have been better off either going for her stomach or improvising a weapon from the furniture or machinery in his cell.
**** He really didn't thought Raiden was Olga, he simply wasn't sure if was Olga or some effeminate guy that looked like her so he did the crotch grabbing test to find out for sure.
**** Yet another way to mock Raiden, perhaps?
* I'm mostly just pissed about his name. Three common states of matter: solid, liquid and gas. Three sons of the Big Boss: Solid, Liquid, and... Solidus? Okay, so Gas Snake sounds goofy, but why not Vapor Snake?
** Thats actually an awesome name for him.
** Think about it for a while. Solidus's genetic structure is a balance between Liquids and Solids. If he was Vapor, it would imply that Liquid is in between Solid and George Sears. Solidus refers to the temperature where a solid object begins to melt, but is not always completely melted.
** Yes, I get what solidus means, I just don't get how it's supposed to describe George Sears. He's older looking than Snake,a much bigger jerk-ass than both Snake and Liquid, and he ends up being compared most often to the original Big Boss. So what part of that makes him "between" Solid and Liquid? If anything, he's like Liquid Snake, only more so.
*** Solidus is a direct clone of Big Boss; no genetic manipulation and possibly created before the rest of the Enfants. His brothers were modified to tip their genetic balance, giving Liquid only recessive 'Soldier' genes and Solid only dominant 'normal' genes. As Solidus has a normal compliment of both dominant and recessive genes, he is balanced between the other two.
* How was Solidus the President at age 33, when the U.S. Constitution requires the President to be at least 35?
** The Patriots wanted him to be President, and they run the country. It's not impossible that A. as a clone, he could have been aged a bit to look over 35 and B. he could have ''lied about his age''.
** Solidus sure didn't ''look'' to be in his 30s/40s by the time of [=MGS2=], so even though his Presidency was a few years in the past by then, he would have definetly looked to be the right age.
** Given his appearance, it would be easy for him to forge papers which legally certify him as well over 35. Either that, or The Patriots passed a constitutional amendment to lower the required age; they DO run the country, after all.
* More on Solidus. Back before [=MGS2=] came out, I didn't mind that there was a super duper Big Boss clone named Solidus. What I did mind, and what I think counts as a massive case of FridgeLogic is that Solidus was the President of the United States. Granted in the chaos of the Shadow Moses incident, Solid and co. wouldn't stop and take a moment to ponder, "Gee, the Commander in Chief sure looks a lot like Big Boss, doesn't he?" and I think it's a shame that they couldn't have had a stinger with the POTUS decorating Snake for his actions and saying something like "Excellent work... ''brother.'' " And furthermore, why wouldn't the Patriots or someone else tell the media that it was the ex-President, and not Solid Snake? It sounds a lot more plausible that a disgraced American President would be behind a terrorist action than a "terrorist" who "died" two years ago.
** Because the Patriots had a vested interest in giving Snake a rap sheet to prevent him from becomming an icon outside of the people who take "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses" seriously. Snake wasn't just going away, and blaming the Big Shell on him (made easier by Solidus himself deciding to use Snake's name) maintains the blame-game. Besideswhich, it's likely that the general public found out it was George Sears anyway, what with him being dead on the steps of Federal Hall at the end. As discussed elsewhere, this could, as you said, actually help the Patriots in the long run.
* If at the end of [=MGS2=] [[spoiler: the Patriots - except for Ocelot - have all been dead for several years (100 if I recall correctly)]] then how can they have [[spoiler: been the manipulative force of most of the events of the series, AND how could one of them have been amongst Snake and Otacon's biggest contributors? Were they all AI's like the Colonel was?]]
** Yes, [[spoiler: they were all AIs.]] This seeming discrepancy is one of the key plot points [[Main/TheReveal revealed]] in [=MGS4=]
** [[spoiler:The "dead for 100 years" thing was bunk. Most of the series takes place after the AIs have come online to take everything over. [=MGS4=] explains everything pretty handily.]]
** No no no, [[spoiler: They weren't AIs and the "dead for almost 100 years" line was true; but not for the Patriots. The list of names obtained from GW contained the names of the Wiseman's Committee: The leadership of the Philosophers, of whom the last of the original members ''did'' die almost a hundred years ago. With this, the last memory of the Philosophers would vanish; they were "ended", as Ocelot said he'd do to them in Portable Ops when the Patriots were just him and Zero.]]
** [[spoiler: The 12 men who were dead for 100 years were the Wisemen's Committee, the founders of the previous organization, the Philosophers. Their names were used by the modernday Patriots as their aliases, to distract from their true identities as AI's.]]
*** No, no, no. The [[spoiler:Philosophers were founded to fight ''World War II''. Therefore the founders were alive in the 1940s and later, and couldn't have been dead for 100 years by the time of [=MGS2=], which took place in the early 21st century. That was ''a red herring''.]]
**** [[spoiler:"The last of the original members died in the 1930's." -The Boss. The Philosophers weren't founded for WWII. They died closer to 80 years before [=MGS2=], though.]]
* If [[spoiler:the Colonel was an AI in [=MGS2=]]] was he the same in [=MGS1=]?
** No, as Snake met the Colonel face-to-face in briefing prior to the mission, based on the novelization.
*** You don't need the novel for that, the pre-mission briefing shows a long-haired Snake being briefed by the Colonel, and IIRC he's also seen as a flesh-and-blood man on the submarine ''Discovery'' during the intro.
*** 'They' say that Campbell in that one is always an AI constructed from Raiden's idea of what his CO would look like, based on the Shadow Moses simulations, but he's always just referred to as "Colonel", never Campbell, and if he IS an artificial construct, why does his nametag say "Campbell"? Is it possible that the real deal Campbell was CO at the outset of the mission, but then after they realized Snake was in play, they pulled the ol' switcheroo? I mean, Campbell is obviously a real person, seeing as how Solid AND Big Boss have worked with him, but, really, how hard is it to snatch someone and replace them on CODEC? Liquid did it with Miller, and Snake should have known Miller better than anyone.
* Okay, so ''Metal Gear Solid 2''. Ocelot exposits his master plan as being to put someone through a recreation of Shadow Moses in order to prove that putting someone through that will make anyone as badass as Solid Snake. But Shadow Moses isn't what made Solid Snake badass--he was already a true badass, otherwise he wouldn't have been sent to deal with it.
** Considering the ''very next scene'' dismisses that it is actually the case...
** The plan wasn't to make someone as ''badass'' as Solid Snake, it was to make someone ''as big a hero in the public eye'' as Snake was after Shadow Moses.
* If Fortune's magnetic luck device,is the same size as Ocelot's how come she didn't notice it earlier? it's not that hard to miss. also if she truly wanted to commit suicide why didn't she just take a knife and slit her throat? I'm sure that the device wouldn't have that much control that it could actually stop her from doing that, as it seems to focus solely on blocking artillery assaults.
** She was a drama queen who wanted to die in combat. If she wanted to die, she probably could have jumped off a building too.
** I was under the impression that Ocelot's device was the one that shielded Fortune--remotely. Far-fetched, maybe, but it already was. Alternatively, her device may have been inside her railgun or something. Either way, she couldn't have noticed it and Ocelot had the means to turn it off remotely. Also, I suspect she was convinced that committing suicide wouldn't work, leaving her in terrible pain. The drama queen explanation is just as likely, though.
* What was the ''point'' of the tanker mission? Philanthropy's purpose before knowledge of the Patriots came to light was tracking down and destroying Metal Gear REX knockoffs built by anyone with the money to buy the information off the black market, thus preventing the stealth-nuclear weapon REX is designed to fire from being mass-produced and starting a new nuclear arms race unchecked by Mutually Assured Destruction. Metal Gear RAY does not mount the rail gun necessary to fire the stealth-nuke, is not large enough to fire a traditional ICBM like the Shagohod and previous Metal Gears, and is specifically designed for the ''US Marines'' to use ''in taking down REX knockoffs.'' How is this anything but ''in line'' with Philanthropy's goals?
** The point was to expose that the US Military was making its own Metal Gear. Philanthropy isn't anti-REX, it's anti ''Metal Gear''.
*** That just makes it even sillier; without nuclear launch capability, RAY isn't a true Metal Gear (Otacon may have actually said this in ''Guns of the Patriots'' when discussing how the Gekko aren't Metal Gears either, I can't remember exactly,) it's just a walking tank that can also swim. Granted, this ''does'' make it a rather fearsome weapon, a tank that can follow soldiers or move to an engagement over any terrain, but it's still a ''conventional'' weapon. If Philanthropy's philosophy is simply "if someone sticks the name Metal Gear on it, it's got to go," it's more than a little short-sighted and not entirely in character. Otacon, at least, should be perfectly capable of sitting down and looking over the pros and cons of any given situation, and for that matter, they ''have'' something called Metal Gear much later. If they didn't care about RAY itself and just wanted to expose the government for having a huge cover-up, wouldn't that have happened anyway the first time the Marines used RAY out in the open to pwn someone's crappy REX knockoff? Not that they ever got the chance, but Snake and Otacon wouldn't have known that.
**** Let me think of a way to make this workable... okay, what about if what they are scared of is that someone will reverse-engineer the RAY's advances (for example, it lacks a radome as its only input device, which means a weakness is gone) and fit them into a new REX design, or some other new walking robot which IS capable of launching nukes? That would make true Metal Gears harder to take down from that point on.
***** I believe the real question here is; why did they build a giant robot to hunt other giant robots? If they can deploy a giant robot, can't they just deploy conventional munitions against REX knockoffs? In any case it wouldn't have been revealed ''to the public'' if RAY was used against a REX knockoff; your average elimination mission wouldn't really have the assets used advertised. The point of the mission was to raise public awareness by showing off the measures the US government were taking against Metal Gear proliferation, and thus gain support for anti-Metal Gear efforts.
***** Well for one, remember that the mission in the Tanker level was not to destroy Metal Gear - it was to take photographs so that the public was aware of the kind of weapons the military were using. Secondly, from a formal perspective, the Tanker mission was necessary to frustrate players even more. They thought they were getting a new game starring Solid Snake (the cover art points to this, as does the title screen). Then, throughout the Tanker, Snake fails to impress. His new 'stealth moves' like throwing bodies off the boat eventually frame him, the only cardboard box he gets is a sopping wet mess, the only boss is a pregnant woman with a pistol rather a cool FOXHOUND-like boss with special powers, there's a long shoot-out section where stealth goes out the window, Snake can sneeze and give himself away and eventually the mission is a failure. Then, we're introduced to Raiden who wants to be Solid Snake and that fails too - the whole thing is just to frustrate the player until Raiden 'awakens' and gains the sword.
* In a similar vein, what made Arsenal a Metal Gear? A nuclear-launching bipedal battle tank and a world communications hub don't have that much in common. For that matter, if it's primary role was censorship why was it even called Arsenal?
** Because it's an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_ship Arsenal Ship]]. But it's certainly not a Metal Gear in any sense the term has been used previously in the series.
** To be fair, I dont think they ever call it a Metal Gear, just an Arsenal Gear. I guess if they'd made flying Gears, theyd have a different 'first' name too, to differentiate them.
* Why didn't Raiden go ahead of Emma in [=MGS2=], or ''test'' to see if it could hold them both, then go across the bridge next to her? If he went ahead of her, he could've taken out everything in her way so she could walk across all dandy and he could possibly be in a better position to [[spoiler: save her from Vamp before she could get shanked.]] If it could hold them both and they both went across, Raiden could even ''better'' protect Emma from the things trying to kill her on the bridge [[spoiler: AND from getting Vamp'd]], since he'd be right next to her and able to [[spoiler: shoot Vamp in the face on reflex]]. And before you tell me that going across together was impossible from the get go, let me remind you that it was able to hold Snake ''carrying'' Emma, and I'm pretty sure Snake weighs a little ''more'' than Raiden. Did Kojima just feel like putting some sniping in the game or what?
** Emma was afraid of the water, so Raiden didn't want to risk her falling into the ocean and having a panic attack (Yes they could have both gone, but Raiden didn't know that for sure and the price for being wrong was pretty high). Plus did you miss the part where there were sentries around? He needed to stick around so he could have the best view to protect her. Plus he had no guarentee that more soldiers wouldn't come down the way they did, so he had to stay there to protect their flank.
* Given how depraved some of the stuff on the Internet would get would the Patriots really feel like touching '''every''' piece of "junk" data? I mean would they really wanna touch stuff like Rule 34 or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife TV Tropes]] just to remove "trivial" information? Aren't there more politically radical websites that would deserve their attention or would the Internet culture's sense of humor be attacked as well?
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*** According to MGS4, his regen ability is ONLY because of his nanonmachines, and that he's had them since deadcell existed. A VDW force is how he was able to run up buildings and across water (thanks to extreme physical fitness). his shadow pin attack is him using a radio emitter in the knife handle to cause Raidens nanomachines or suit to lock his leg movement. What ISN'T explained is how he can sit on top of the water or swim. The swimming could POSSIBLY be handwaved the same way the water running was, if poorly, but the standing on water is impossible without some sort of weird power. MGS4 broke a lot of the series
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** It's actually rather clever if you think about it: The plot of the Plant section is exactly the same as the plot for MGS, with characters changed (Raiden is Snake, Snake and Olga are Grey Fox and so on). Someone who has completed MGS 1 before playing will have noticed these things, thus spoiler {{The Reveal}}.
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** It's actually rather clever if you think about it: The plot of the Plant section is exactly the same as the plot for MGS, with characters changed (Raiden is Snake, Snake and Olga are Grey Fox and so on). Someone who has completed MGS 1 before playing will have noticed these things, thus spoiler spoiling {{The Reveal}}.
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* It's actually rather clever if you think about it: The plot of the Plant section is exactly the same as the plot for MGS, with characters changed (Raiden is Snake, Snake and Olga are Grey Fox and so on). Someone who has completed MGS 1 before playing will have noticed these things, thus spoiler {{The Reveal}}.
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**** It's actually rather clever if you think about it: The plot of the Plant section is exactly the same as the plot for MGS, with characters changed (Raiden is Snake, Snake and Olga are Grey Fox). Someone who has completed MGS 1 before playing will have noticed these things, thus spoiler {{The Reveal}}.
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**** It's actually rather clever if you think about it: The plot of the Plant section is exactly the same as the plot for MGS, with characters changed (Raiden is Snake, Snake and Olga are Grey Fox). Someone who has completed MGS 1 before playing will have noticed these things, thus spoiler {{The Reveal}}.
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** FanWank solution: Builders screw up. Doors were originally ment to go other way around, but someone screwed up. By the time they found out they got doors wrong way, decide to leave them since 90% percent of people would have level 1 clearance, thus no problem. Patriots didn't either know or didn't care.
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** This doesn't answer your question, but I love how someone is actually complaining that they didn't retcon the games ''enough'' for a change.
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** This doesn't answer your question, but I love how someone is actually complaining that they didn't retcon the games ''enough'' ''[[BeyondTheImpossible enough]]'' for a change.
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*** More likely supposed to be a large clue that something isn't right. "Wait a minute, why would a facility that does nothing but clean up an oil spill have ''underwater mines'' in their storage?"
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** No they're not. Snake makes it pretty clear that Nastasha Romanenko was involved with Philantrophy after the incident in a codec call in the Big Shell chapter, and Otacon heavily implies Mei Ling was involved in one way or another too.
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** In the novelization, Solidus is monologuing the entire time and doesn't even notice that Raiden isn't listening. Raiden just happens to finish talking to GW at the same time Solidus finishes.
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*** I could have sworn that they made reference to the Iraq War in Metal Gear Solid 4 and how Private Contractors were used heavily during that war leading to the current trend we see in the rise of PMCs.
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*** I could have sworn that they made reference to the Iraq War in Metal Gear Solid 4 and how Private Contractors were used heavily during that war leading to the current trend we see in the rise of PMCs.PMCs.
** This doesn't answer your question, but I love how someone is actually complaining that they didn't retcon the games ''enough'' for a change.
** This doesn't answer your question, but I love how someone is actually complaining that they didn't retcon the games ''enough'' for a change.
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*** I could have sworn that they made reference to the Iraq War in Metal Gear Solid 4 and how Private Contractors in the modern sense of the term came to be after it ended.
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*** I could have sworn that they made reference to the Iraq War in Metal Gear Solid 4 and how Private Contractors were used heavily during that war leading to the current trend we see in the modern sense rise of the term came to be after it ended.PMCs.
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** Because the history is most likely different from ours. There aren't any references to those events in MetalGearSolid, which is set in 2005. Therefore we can safely assume that they never happened in the world of the series.
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** Because the history is most likely different from ours. There aren't any references to those events in MetalGearSolid, which is set in 2005. Therefore we can safely assume that they never happened in the world of the series.series.
*** I could have sworn that they made reference to the Iraq War in Metal Gear Solid 4 and how Private Contractors in the modern sense of the term came to be after it ended.
*** I could have sworn that they made reference to the Iraq War in Metal Gear Solid 4 and how Private Contractors in the modern sense of the term came to be after it ended.
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* To be fair they couldn't possibly have known that the War in Iraq and Afghanistan were going to happen at the time Metal Gear Solid 2 was made, but since then why haven't Kojima Productions retconned things so that Raiden saw combat in the Middle East? Raiden would have had to have been part of the regular U.S Army to be eligible for their Force XXI Trials, and it seems improbable that he wouldn't at least be stationed in the Middle East during that time period. It can't be because Raiden was viewed as too valuable to be put in danger as Solid Snake was a prized clone of Big Boss and yet they still put him in harm's way during the 1991 Gulf War and numerous CIA black ops missions before he was utilized against Big Boss and Liquid.
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* To be fair they couldn't possibly have known that the War in Iraq and Afghanistan were going to happen at the time Metal Gear Solid 2 was made, but since then why haven't Kojima Productions retconned things so that Raiden saw combat in the Middle East? Raiden would have had to have been part of the regular U.S Army to be eligible for their Force XXI Trials, and it seems improbable that he wouldn't at least be stationed in the Middle East during that time period. It can't be because Raiden was viewed as too valuable to be put in danger as Solid Snake was a prized clone of Big Boss and yet they still put him in harm's way during the 1991 Gulf War and numerous CIA black ops missions before he was utilized against Big Boss and Liquid.Liquid.
** Because the history is most likely different from ours. There aren't any references to those events in MetalGearSolid, which is set in 2005. Therefore we can safely assume that they never happened in the world of the series.
** Because the history is most likely different from ours. There aren't any references to those events in MetalGearSolid, which is set in 2005. Therefore we can safely assume that they never happened in the world of the series.
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* Are there other members of Philanthropy besides Snake and Otacon? If there are, why the hell aren't they ever seen or mentioned? As {{Badass}} as Snake is, he can't be two places at once. If he really wanted to shut down every Metal Gear on Earth, you'd think he'd look for some help. In any case, it seems like he'd need to get more members if he wanted to get recognition from the UN. To the UN, one field agent doesn't look like an organized group...it just looks like a lone terrorist. And if there are more members of Philanthropy, then what happened to the organization after Snake faked his death?
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* Are there other members of Philanthropy besides Snake and Otacon? If there are, why the hell aren't they ever seen or mentioned? As {{Badass}} as Snake is, he can't be two places at once. If he really wanted to shut down every Metal Gear on Earth, you'd think he'd look for some help. In any case, it seems like he'd need to get more members if he wanted to get recognition from the UN. To the UN, one field agent doesn't look like an organized group...it just looks like a lone terrorist. And if there are more members of Philanthropy, then what happened to the organization after Snake faked his death?death?
**Its just snake and Otacon.
**Its just snake and Otacon.
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*** Yes. See: The Patriots specifically represent the [[HideoKojima game designers.]]
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*** So The Patriots are trolls now? "Turn THE GAME console off right now."
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** You forget the one, obvious thing you could have done: [[AC: TURN THE GAME OFF]]. In a more serious tone: Would that not have undermined their point? The Patriots specifically represent the game designers, as Raiden represents the player. Designing an alternate route would make little sense - 'Hah, instead of submitting to what the game designers told me to do, I will submit to another completely different thing that the game designers told me to do!'. The only winning move in Metal Gear Solid 2 is not to play.
