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**** As for the point about the female romances, you saw the same amount in Jacob's cutscene as you did in Miranda's. Doing Thane or Garrus would require figuring out just what they look like without the armour, and that could've easily descended into NightmareFuel (and it's insinuated that Garrus and Shepard never actually did it). I think they worked pretty well, but I'm not a great fan of Female Shepard and have only done one playthrough as her. Miranda and Jack worked well, and Tali sucks. I'm Commander Shepard, not the high school quarterback. But that's all I'll say on that subject.

**** Does the strength to punch someone out come from the fingers?

** This Troper thought it was a waste of the body's water :\

[[folder:Udina, Omega, and the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC]]
* Why does Udina need to go all the way to Omega just to get a table dance from an asari stripper?
** Who said he was on Omega? The Citadel is big, and they've got have plenty of strip clubs in the Wards.
*** The video says he's on Omega.
*** Ah, must have missed that. Regardless, no one said that Udina was there specifically to get a table dance. We can reasonably conclude that he's there on other business - likely meeting Aria - and getting the dance while he's there. People like Udina generally ''don't'' go to places like Omega unless they're engaging in business of the less-than-reputable sort.
*** My real issue is there was no reason to put him on Omega for that video. Why not just say he was visiting an unnamed strip club on the Citadel? We would have bought it. Even if he did have some shady business on Omega, he didn't have to physically go there himself. Real politicians have ''staff'' for exactly that purpose. Not to mention the fact that even the most corrupt politician at least ''pretends'' to be squeaky-clean. Being seen on Omega throws that pretense right out the window and basically confirms that Udina is up to no good.
*** Isn't there an even bigger issue with Udina being on Omega? He is either a high ranking political advisor or a bloody Citadel Counciler; that's just asking for someone to take him hostage and hold hostage for ransom or to extract vital intelligence. All to get a lap dance? And this is on a station where one of the major factions (batarian slave gangs and he like) is the Alliance's primary enemy; and that's not counting the other groups who would want to nab him for the above mentioned reasons. Way too risky.
*** Maybe it's an old vid from before his days in the Council. Granted, that doesn't explain much, but that vid of Anderson getting in a gunfight with a quarian and a krogan is clearly old stuff, so maybe it apply to Udina's.
*** The answer seems simple to me. He's far less likely to get caught on Omega than he is on The Citadel. The Terminus Systems are Council space, so the only people who would care what a politician was doing are people who'd want to blackmail them. Plus, the guy on Horizon only had a vague idea of the attack on the Citadel, which seems to imply that the Terminus Systems aren't necessarily well informed on what's what and who's who in Council Space.
* During Samara's recruitment mission the authorities on Illium are scared to death of a Justicar causing an inter-species incident. Yet one of the Shadow Broker's video logs clearly shows Samara chasing down a female human Blue Suns mercenary.
** And? Its a Blue Suns mercenary. No one ''cares'' what happens to Blue Suns mercenaries.
*** Except for, y'know, the asari on Illium who ''does'' care. You know, the person who starts the Samara quest? Plus, the Blue Suns aren't a wholly criminal organization. They're respected enough to get hired for security jobs and the like. And they've got a lot of political clout. If nothing else, I imagine the Blue Suns leadership would be a mite upset, which, again, ''is exactly what the Illium government was worried about in the first place''.
** The fear that she'll kill a human would still be there (and even reinforced) by the fact that she has already involved humans in her chase. There's no evidence that Samara did kill that human Blue Sun mercenary. In fact, there is evidence that she didn't (by the asari officer freaking out about an "if"). That she hadn't killed one could be more about luck than anything else.
*** If the Blue Suns merc was involved in a crime - not implausible, given the way they work - then Samara was justified in killing her. And Samara wouldn't be trying to kill the merc if she didn't commit a crime.
* What was a Blue Suns mercenary doing on the hanar homeworld? I thought the hanar didn't allow outsiders in their space.
** Hanar don't like outsiders entering their space. That doesn't mean there ''aren't'' outsiders. And remember, the Blue Suns are ''criminals''. Criminals have this thing about laws and not following them.
* Some of the vid-games on Legion's Shadow Broker Dossier bug me.
#His preferred character class in Galaxy of Fear is an "Ardat-Yakshi Necromancer". How could this be allowed? It's like if WOW had a "Serial Killer" class. Wouldn't the asari complain at the very least?
** Many MMO games already ''have'' such classes, they just go by different fantasy-like names. And if the asari complain, it's an acknowledgement of the existence of Ardat-Yakshi in general, which is something they're very hesitant to do. Besides, for all we know they ''did'' complain at some point, and it was thrown out or ignored. This setting doesn't precisely go into the minutia of individual court cases and lawsuits, after all.
** Keep in mind that very, very few Ardat-Yakshi exist at all. Samara confidently states that her three Ardat-Yakshi daughters are the only three in existence. She's probably wrong, but it means that there aren't enough for it to cause a political spat.
** The game is supposedly based on Turian mythology anyway. The "ardat-yakshi" in Galaxy of Fantasy could be something entirely different.
#In Grim Terminus Alliance he has an achievement for killing 100+ quarians. Again, how could this be allowed? I know it's supposed to be a satire of Grand Theft Auto but even Rockstar would never give you an achievement for killing 100+ black people.
** Grand Theft Auto also doesn't allow you to take and beat slaves, either. Grim Terminus Alliance is obviously a game that, like [[{{Manhunt}} certain]] [[GodOfWar other]] games, is built around shock value, controversy, and extremism.
*** Still, there's shock value, and then there's blatantly crossing the line. We're talking about a game that basically rewards you for committing a racial hate crime. And this game is still legal to sell? Imagine if a major studio in real life tried to sell a game like that. People would come after them with torches and pitchforks. The whole thing stinks of poorly-written satire.
*** If you sold such a thing on modern Earth? Yes, it would provoke that reaction. [[CaptainObvious But this isn't modern Earth.]] It's a galactic society consisting largely of aliens who, by an large, have a ''thing'' about hating quarians. And they aren't simply a race, they're an entirely seperate species who are considered in-universe AcceptableTargets. And in case you didn't notice, Grim Terminus Alliance has a '''massive''' amount of controversy surrounding it in-universe anyway.
*** Is it rewarding a hate crime? For all we know, every quarian in the game is designed to attempt to hack into your accounts in the game, and make it harder for you to complete missions and such. Killing 100 quarians may make it so that you don't have to kill any more. Just because there is an acheivement, doesn't mean that it's racially motivated. And if it is, then we humans are already accepting of hate crimes against non-humans based on the current supply of games out now.
**** Also, I always kinda assumed that the quarians in Grim Terminus Alliance are [[AssholeVictim exiles]]. Yeah, quarians can go anywhere on their Pilgrimage, but the Terminus systems are full of danger that quarians likely would want to avoid.
***** Geth territory (which is to say, former quarian space) is in the Terminus Systems. But you're probably right, if only because a game that was anything like GTA would prefer to go with stereotypes rather than authentic representations of quarian citizens.
** In Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, there's an in-game counter for how many of each gang you kill and a special note for which is your least favorite gang. I don't know if that's true of the other games, but if it had been released today, I could very easily see there being an achievement for "Killing 100 Bikers," or "Killing 100 Cubans," or "Killing 100 of Diaz's Gang."
*** True, but there is a difference between killing members of a gang because they're member of said gang, and killing members of an ethnic minority because they're members of said ethnic minority. To put it in Grand Theft Auto terms, it would be like getting an achievement for killing a hundred black people. If the Grim Terminus achievement had been something like "kill a hundred members of the Psycho Quarians Hackers", it would have left no doubt that, presumably, racism wasn't a deciding factor.
*** Also, it's a joke. Because, you know, Legion is a geth. And the quarians are both their creators and the people that tried to killed them.
* This is kinda meta, but it still bugs me: After Shepard and Vasir get thrown out a window, Vasir takes off with Liara in hot pursuit. I don't know about anyone else, but I had Legion with me. The camera showed him simply standing there watching as Vasir runs through a wide open lobby. Legion is a sniper. He has a clear view at the target. He had his gun drawn. [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim Why did he not shoot Vasir]]? Obviously the dev's didn't think of it (or it was too much work) but it really makes the team look a bit incompetent.
** A fast-moving target who probably has a biotic barrier up, and who's probably running behind every cover she can. Your squadmate may have decided trying to take shots at her would be a waste of time.
* Say, did I miss the point where Vasir actually justified her presence in Liara's appartment to Shepard? She just goes all "I'm a Spectre" and Shepard never:
** Ask her WTH is she doing bazillions of light years away from the Council jurisdiction? Yeah, Spectre can do whatever the hell they want and etc, but still that doesn't explain the following:
*** Illium isn't "bazillions of light years away from Council jurisdiction." It's inside asari space. It ''is'' in Council jurisdiction.
**** Umm...I was fairly certain that Illium, asari space or not, was inside the Terminus. You know, the NPC chatters and all that.
**** Incorrect. It borders the Terminus systems. Planets actually "within" the Terminus Systems are those that have chosen to forsake Citadel protection. It is technically not an asari world, but is owned by corperations, like Noveria. They allow the (or atleast do not inhibit) Spectre operations because it would be bad for business (just like Noveria).
** How is it Vasir can order around some Illium cops?
*** She's a Spectre. She's on a Citadel world. That gives her the authority to do so.
**** Technically, Illium is outside of Council Space, just inside of the Terminus. That said, Illium should have a similar arrangement with Noveria -- they won't obey Council law to the letter, but they'll allow Spectres to conduct investigations on their world.
** Why does Shepard would trust Vasir instantaneously knowing that 1. The last Spectre colleague he meet was a kinda psychotic asshole BEFORE Sovvy indoctrinate him 2. As far as he knows, the Council, especially the alien one is barely holding back from declaring him a traitorous rogue Spectre, so who can tell if Vasir hasn't been sent to execute Shepard? I mean, going by the dialogue tree, Shep comes as a complete naive moron.
*** 1: So Shepard should instantly consider any Spectre s/he encounters to be a psychopath despite the fact that Saren was the worst of the bunch? As opposed to affording them some degree of respect, considering they've been handpicked by the Council as agents to enforce galactic law?
**** Yes, and it is said that some are bloodthirsty killers while others are (mostly) peaceful and keen diplomats. That alone should make anyone wary of dealing with a Spectre, especially if said Spectre, unlike Shepard, is not widely publicized for his exploits as the Hero of Elysium or the Butcher of Torfan. Beside, Saren wasn't described as the worst of the bunch. ''He was one of the Council's top agent'', so while everyone and their mother could tell he was utterly brutal and vicious, the Council had no problem with having a professionnal dog kicker as a Spectre because he got the job done. Point being, just because she's a Spectre doesn't mean she's the most thrustworthy being in the universe.
*** 2: The Council ''wasn't'' "barely holding back" from declaring him/her a traitor. For heaven's sake, the Council is willing to let Shepard land on the Citadel and walk around despite knowing s/he is working with Cerberus and are perfectly willing to let Shepard's Spectre status get reinstated. That's not the behavior of a government that wants Shepard ''dead''.
*** According to the Cerberus Daily News, Shep, prior to his death, was to be arrested for, I quote, "obstruction of justice". Just what does it mean is anyone's guess, but it is very heavily implied that the only things separating him from being arrested are Anderson on the Council side and Hackett on the Alliance side. I may be going a little far in writing that the Council want Shepard, and I apologize for doing so, but they're still fairly unhappy of having him goofing around again.
**** And that doesn't explain why Shepard does not ''just ask her for the reason of her presence''. Granted, she could then start unload some bullshit, but at least Shep could have asked.
***** She's on Illium for some mission. She hears that Liara - a notable information broker who was involved in stopping Saren as a member of another Spectre's team - was attacked. She investigates. Shepard has no reason to believe there's any other reason for Vasir to be there, and has no reason to ask. S/He could ask about her mission, but he probably figured it was classified anyway, so didn't bother. Plus, you know, a friend and potentially former lover just got attacked, and there's no sign of where she might be. So Shepard's too busy thinking about Liara to wonder if maybe this Vasir lady might not be entirely on the level despite no evidence that anything wrong is going on.
*** Besides, isn't what Vasir doing exactly the same as what Shepard did throughout the first game? Shepard was on a mission to hunt down Saren, but on every planet s/he stops by, there's a variety of criminal activities and side tasks to do, so Shepard does them. Vasir is doing the exact same thing Shepard was doing in the first game whenever Admiral Hackett called with a job, except you can replace "Admiral Hackett" with "Shadow Broker." Shepard doesn't need to ask Vasir what she was doing there, because she's a Spectre and sticking her head in everyone else's business when she smells trouble is part of her ''job.''
**** I'm iffy on Shepard not needing to ask Vasir what she's doing. Even Nihlus did that when he saw Saren. Even though just about any explanation is going to be good enough to satisfy Shepard, the question itself is valid and worth asking.
*** Well, Nihlus had a good reason to be asking Saren what he was doing on a human world in the middle of a geth attack. For all he knew, Saren was aware of something he wasn't. Shepard, meanwhile, walks into an apartment on a secured world with police present. Its a rather different situation.
**** It's not like Shepard has met any other Spectres though, so he wouldn't know the protocol to follow and could just be respecting her privacy in case it's a delicate matter she's investigating. After all, the closest Shep has got to working with Spectres has involved Nihlus running off to ''covertly'' work alone on Eden Prime and the Salarian equivalent STGs, which are also known for ''espionage''. Saren and Shep could very well be the exception, not the rule, in terms of high profile Spectre-work. It's also worth pointing out that he's likely more worried about his former ally and possible love of his life than why an asari is on a major asari world. Nihlus is talking to someone who's been a Spectre for a while as well, implying some sort of previous work or at least knowledge of each other--something that Shepard, who may or may not even be a Spectre any more, definitely wouldn't have on Vasir. Plus, it's a turian on a remote human colony that should be of zero interest to Saren. Of course that merits a question. It's still a weird thing to leave out in an otherwise well made DLC, but yeah, there are certainly reasons why it isn't the first thing on Shepard's mind.
* Hang on, Shepard ''kills a Spectre'' and never gets called on it?
** We don't know if Shepard talked to the Council later on. It's entirely possible that [[spoiler:Liara, after becoming Shadow Broker,]] leaked info on Vasir's activities. Shepard does seem to be getting to be pretty good at killing Spectres, though. It might be nice to run into a Spectre in ME3 that we don't pump full of bullets.
*** Blasto!
** Said Spectre is working for the Shadow Broker, and proof of said fact can probably end up in front of the Council before they're finished asking why Shepard killed said Spectre, thanks to Liara.
* I always took it as Shepard knowing something was up, and was just playing stupid until Vasir showed her hand. Shepard doesn't *have* to punch everything into submission you know.
* A question about Vasir's final speech and your inability to have the last word. Now, I can understand not having that as an option if you're a Renegade or if you haven't done the Suicide Mission yet. (Yes, I know the DLC is written to take place after that, but you can do it whenever.) But why aren't you given a chance to point out that, if you destroyed the Collector Base, the Illusive Man is not really your boss anymore? The reasons I can think of are 1) just because you no longer work for the Illusive Man doesn't handwave previous work done for him, 2) you're still part of Cerberus, 3) The Illusive Man is still able to give you missions, 4) railroading plot. Does anyone else have some insight on this?
** 1, 2, and 3. This has always been a series that's big on maintaining the weight of your decisions and actions. The game isn't going to give you a free pass for working with Cerberus, even if it wasn't your choice at the time. Vasir doesn't care that you're no longer working with Cerberus - she simply cares that you ''did'' and that you have no right to judge her for working with the Shadow Broker.
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**** Actually, allergies occur in most cases because of atrophied immunity systems. More especifically, when the person does not come in contact with dirty when s/he is very young. Sounds familiar for you?

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* Harbinger gives various species quotes on why the other species are not what they are looking for to make a new reaper. What stumps me is that he says Turians are too primative. What does this mean for their genetic code? Because didn't we humans have more genetic variety when they were more primitive as oppose to what we have now? Aren't humans more primitive than Turians anyway?
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[[folder:Why can't you give the base to the Alliance or the Citadel?]]
* This is one of the major things that bugged me about the end game. I didn't feel that the base should be destroyed without studying it's technology's. This information could prove vital to defeating the reapers. However, Cerberus is not the group I want handling it, for obvious reasons. So why can't I give it to someone I trust, like Anderson?

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[[folder:Legion in the Citadel and Migrant]]
* I have a feeling this has been answered before, but I can't find it in the archives at all. Yeah, whats up with them allowing Legion on the Citadel and Migrant Fleet? Yeah, I know everyone on the Citadel presumes Legion to be some trophy-bot or something because of that psychological quirk that people see what they expect to see. That doesn't explain why there aren't any scanners that check everything being brought on board. I mean, how are they checking stuff if not that way. And I don't even know what excuse the Migrant Fleet has. That the Geth is under Shepards command? Yeah, I doubt that would stop them from freaking out over having their mortal enemy right there, on their ship, possibly planning all sorts of attacks on it.

How did Shepards body survive atmospheric re-entry?
* If the body went down with the ship wreckage, maybe the mass effect engine was close by and held a partial field before impact. Alternatively, the planet's atmosphere could have been somewhat thin. The chunks of Normandy-1 on the surface look unscorched and fairly intact. Hell, the Mako is still in one piece even if it did get busted post-landing by ice. You also find dog tags of the crew and even XO Pressley's private datapad. A lot of the data is bad, but it's still readable. If it and the crates could survive impact, a body could. You'd shatter every bone in your body, and the skeletal scans in the intro are pretty smashed looking.

I have a feeling this has been answered before, but I can't find it in the archives at all. Yeah, whats up with them allowing Legion on the Citadel and Migrant Fleet? Yeah, I know everyone on the Citadel presumes Legion to be some trophy-bot or something because of that psychological quirk that people see what they expect to see. That doesn't explain why there aren't any scanners that check everything being brought on board. I mean, how are they checking stuff if not that way. And I don't even know what excuse the Migrant Fleet has. That the Geth is under Shepards command? Yeah, I doubt that would stop them from freaking out over having their mortal enemy right there, on their ship, possibly planning all sorts of attacks on it.

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