History Headscratchers / MarioAndLuigi

*** I also think that Planet Shroob is decaying in the "present" and that the Shroobs simply travelled back in time themselves in order to attack the Mushroom Kingdom when it was weak (the monarch being a baby, with no parents or people to protect the land in sight). This would also explain why Elder Princess Shroob has the ability open Time Holes during the final battle. What if we take this even further: If Elder Shroob was the only Shroob displaying time travelling abilities, there would be no way for the younger Princess Shroob to return back to the present on her own. What would be the only way to do so? Using a Time Hole. And as the Shroobs experienced with Junior Shrooboid, it's not save to simply do so. So she needed a disguise in order to have four unassuming brothers escort her safely. (I went quite a bit overboard, but I think you get the point.)

*** I also think that Planet Shroob is decaying in the "present" and that the Shroobs simply travelled back in time themselves in order to attack the Mushroom Kingdom when it was weak (the monarch being a baby, with no parents or people to protect the land in sight). This would also explain why Elder Princess Shroob has the ability open Time Holes during the final battle.
What if we take this even further: If Elder Shroob was the only Shroob displaying time travelling abilities, there would be no way for the younger Princess Shroob to return back to the present on her own. What would be the only way to do so? Using a Time Hole. And as the Shroobs experienced with Junior Shrooboid, it's not save to simply do so. So she needed a disguise in order to have four unassuming brothers escort her safely. (I went quite a bit overboard, but I think you get the point.)

* In ''Dream Team'', the two Block-people massaging Rose Broquet are revealed to be Peach and Toadsworth in elaborate costumes. Then, after the cutscene, ''they take the costumes off''. Why didn't they just leave them on? Bowser would never have found Peach in a million years!
** It's possible that by that point she had already been taken. It's not like he was just going to walk up and take her, she could have even been snagged while she was going to the bathroom. Plus, it's the Dream Stone. It would likely know who she is anyway, and bring her to Bowser still inside the suit. The only way she could possibly have been safe is if [[YouCantThwartStageOne Bowser never got the Dream Stone in the first place.]]

* So, after Fawful's plans are stopped and all is said and done, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse has anything changed regarding Bowser]]? He still has that Vacuum Block, and we didn't see him regurgitate any pipes. Can the Mario Bros. still enter and exit his body at will? There could still be some very strange days and battles ahead...
** It's not like Bowser has ever really be consistent with his abilities. One day he's a fifty-foot incarnation of evil capable of incredible dark magic, the next he's an eight-foot doofus barely smart enough to breath fire. If the game designers want him to he'll have that power, if not, then he won't.
** Shouldn't you really be wondering how the pipes can connect from outside Bowser to inside, even when he moves around? ;)
*** We're talking about pipes that just about teleport you, in a realm well versed in magic. Obviously, AWizardDidIt.
** BagOfSpilling applies to Bowser too.
*** Nope. He can use his vacuum powers in ''Dream Team''.

* Exactly why did Fawful bother with spreading the Blorbs? His (apparent) plan for Bowser could have been accomplished at any point, so they didn't help there. The disease only affects Toads, and they've proven to be only slightly tougher than old cheese, so it doesn't really help him get rid of guards. What was the point?
** Presumably to get everyone important in the Mushroom Kingdom into the same room at the same time. He would have been far more successful in his plan if Dr. Toadley had made the meeting.
*** [[FridgeBrilliance Ffffffffffffff-]]

* Why didn't the Toads in Bowser's gut simply take the pipes out? They all talk about how much they want to leave, but they've got a ticket straight to Toad Town in an easily accessible area of Bowser. Even worse, Starlow, whose been out of Bowser every time the Bros. left, started complaining about how to leave! Did they just forget?
** Maybe to move around anywhere in Bowser's body, you have to go through the areas. To get to the pipe areas alone, they would have to go through places where there were enemies. Toads can't fight all that well. It may be GameplayAndStorySegregation, but it's at least plausible...
** Even after the red one broke, the pipes they need to cross are very high up. And those Toads can't duck for several seconds to increase their jump height anymore.
** In one of the cutscenes, a Toad had no trouble jumping into one of those fleshy, pseudo pipes in Bowser's body. The real pipes were no higher. They've also had no problem traversing Bower's organs at will. It's not like they had much else to do, so why not leave?
** Because Mario and Luigi still had stuff to do in Bowser's body and they wanted to help out their heroes, maybe? Or maybe Toads can't take warp pipes...no, wait, that's not possible...Eh, first one is the best I've got.
** Because they're weak puny toads, unsure of where Blorbs come from, and know that Bowser's tummy is the safest place in the Kingdom until the whole Fawful/Dark Star threat boils over.

* I know it shouldn't, because of all the rest of Bowser's weird biology, but the Spike Ball move really bugs me. I thought turtle shells were hard and solid! And, more importantly, how does he grow double the spikes when he's curled up? And where do the white parts of his shell go?!
** Stupid answer: The sprite you see is actually Bowser rolling really, really fast, so fast you can't even see him moving. Actual answer: I got nothin'. See stupid answer.
*** But you see the same sprite even if he's ''not'' moving. That's not it. Instead, remember that Bowser is a ''Koopa'', and not technically a turtle - presumably Koopas have weird shells.
*** That was what I meant - that the sprite you see while he's sitting still is actually him rolling in place really, ''really'' fast. Yeah.
*** If he's rolling in place really really fast, why can you see individual spikes?
*** Because he's rolling at 60 Hz.
*** [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog SPIN DASHING]]
*** Perhaps he can bend his shell?
*** The games are very inconsistent about Bowser's shell. A good example would be how much of Bowser's body is shell, and how much is just his body. Half the time the green part with spikes on his back is his shell. The other half the back part and his front part are the entire shell. The Smash Bros. series is a great place to see this.
** Classic RuleOfFunny. The same reason that Bowser can slim down by doing crunches really fast.
** Better question. How does he roll ''up walls''? Even forgiving his ability to stay anchored on the wall, it would require him to place his own center of gravity not only outside his own body, but ''inside the wall!'' I'm all for the MST3KMantra, but the line has to be drawn somewhere.
** For that matter, if he can't use it on the field until Mario and Luigi fix his back, ''how can he use it every single time he does his Shy Guy Squad move?'' Seriously, what is up with that?
*** He could always roll up like that, he needed to fix his back to be able to roll around on his own. The Shy Guys help slingshot him at his opponent, something he couldn't do on his own.
** Bowser has been able to curl up in a ball in other games, like ''Galaxy'', and has even shown to be able to retract his spikes if needed. Maybe he just has impeccable control over his body? And the back thing - he gets locked in a tight safe, forced to hunch over around the middle of the game, so maybe that threw it out of whack?

* [[http://www.spriters-resource.com/ds/marioandluigi3/sheet/19563 Crawful]]. Seriously. WHAT. THE. HELL. It's a giant dinosaur with Fawful's face and huge teeth, who primarily attacks by tripping over rocks and banana peels. I'm thinking it's either a reference to a "Famous Japanese Comedian", or just absurdity for absurdity's sake.
** Its name in Japanese (and every European language bar English) is a pun based on Fawful's name and alligator, which it looks like. Note:
** Japanese ゲタゲター Getagetā From Gerakobittsu, Fawful's Japanese name, and English "alligator".
** To be more relevant: Crawful = '''Cr'''ocodile + F'''awful'''. Class dismissed!
*** Moreso: 'Craw' means mouth... so, it has a mouthful.
** Am I the only one that's freaked out by that enemy? That smile is freaky as hell... and the fact that you can suck its teeth out, leaving only a black hole of evil and despair.
*** [[NightmareRetardant And then they choke on their own food]].
*** On Crawful, does anyone else notice that if you're fighting more than one Crawful or a Crawful and something else, should you get hit by the other enemy... Crawful laughs at you? I'm still torn between being seriously annoyed at the chortling gits and being slightly freaked out by them.
** Was I the only one who took forever to realize that Bowser counters BOTH of their attacks by punching (rather than punching to counter one attack and crouching to counter the other attack)?

* What would happen if Bowser went through one of those pipes leading into his own body?
** [[Film/BeingJohnMalkovich Malkovich Malkovich!]]
** He spits the pipes (and everyone/thing he swallowed) in the ending of the game, so he wouldn't be able to go down them into himself. Also, he can't exactly jump.
** I believe he'd just get to walk around inside himself, and when he walked inside himself, the himself he is walking on would walk inside himself. Kind of like {{Rule 34}} of VideoGame/{{Portal}}.
** His body would shrink, as going through the pipes shirnks people.

What I want to know is, what happened to the Beanbean Kingdom when this was happening? Apparently nothing too serious, if it turned out okay without needing to be saved...

* Why did Fawful decide to give Bowser a treadmill to unchub him? He just threw a wrench into his own plan.
** The primary purpose of that treadmill wasn't to slim Bowser down. It was to get him heated up so he'd blow himself out of the castle.
*** Which raises another question: how could they be so GenreSavvy about cartoon physics to know that doing exercises would cause him to light on fire, yet be so unsavvy to not realize that any resulting explosion would be comedic and nonfatal?
*** Who's to say they didn't realize the latter point? What mattered was that it got Bowser out of the way for a while.
** Bowser already beaten up Midbus, loads of Fawful's minions, and ''his own castle''. Leaving Bowser there, even morbidly obese, would mean leaving him in a castle full of his own former minions. Since Fawful didn't have anything that could get rid of him permanently, a series of temporary setbacks was the best that he could do.

* What happened the the Firebrand and Thunderhand powers? They saw a lot of use in the first game and just disappeared later. Did the Bros. simply forget they could do that?
** Typical BagOfSpilling syndrome.

* Of all three games, there are two things that bug me. One: why is everything that has to be done by the bros together ALWAYS colored red and green? And second: are Mario and Luigi some sort of martial art experts, given how they (or the player, depending on your point of view) almost always seem to be able to determine which of the bros is about to be attacked, and how?
** First off, GameplayAndStoryIntegration. Second, it's fairly easy to tell if something's flying right at you if no one ends up attacking from behind save atleast two or three cases per game. It's less foresight and more reflexive.

* Fawful, in all three games, speaks of how "red and green puts the fog of rage in [his] eyes". His cloak is red. His skin is green. Is Nintendo making a funny, or..?
** He doesn't use mirrors very often.
** Fawful often refers to the Mario Bros. as "Red" and "Green", he's talking about them rather than the colours.
** To be honest, to me it just ends up sounding like he somehow gets roid-rage-induced bloodshot eyes from smoking too much weed.
** He's so insane he makes {{Deadpool}} look like a perfectly sane and reasonable individual.

* What E. Gadd plan to do with Junior Shrooboid at the end of the game?

* In the first game, if [[spoiler:Toadsworth was in on the "swap Birdo with Peach" plan, why did he just give Mario & Luigi a suitcase and send them on their way as if he had no idea about it?]]
** Maybe he was playing dumb in case Cackletta had left a spy behind?
** He didn't want Bowser to get too involved?
*** Exactly. Bowser was there. Toadsworth was probably just going to let the Bros. in on it, but then Bowser stormed the castle and got involved. If the Bros. hadn't have gone, Bowser would have gotten suspicious. Plus, it's a game. If they hadn't have gotten involved, it wouldn't have been nearly as fun.

* In Superstar Saga, it is revealed that [[spoiler: Birdo's voice was stolen instead of Peach's]]. While this was a great relief to the heroes, what about [[spoiler: Birdo]]? Shouldn't there still be great concern about [[spoiler: Birdo's explosive vocabulary]]?
** The proper solution is and has always been mushroom-shaped blocks.
** Although, [[spoiler: when she appeared later alongside Popple, she didn't have the lethal voice. Either the problem was fixed off-screen or there are be two different Birdos (they are a species, after all).]]

* With everything in all of the Mario & Luigi games being [[ColorCodedCharacters color-coded red for Mario and green for Luigi]], how does someone who's red-green or entirely color-blind play this game? Any guesses would be welcome, but I would like to hear from someone who has such color-blindedness.
** Many of the red and green elements are also marked with M's and L's. Not all, but many.
*** True. There are the stuff like that hammer minigame in the third game with the synapses or whatever they were though, and the Thwacks on Thwomp Volcano in the second game, where it's simply indicated by color. But yeah, color-blind people might still get hindered, but not as much as I initially thought.
** Color-blind person here. The colors may look the same, but the intensities are different. It's like how two different shades of blue can be easily distinguishable even though they're both blue. Other games that use closer-together shades ARE impossible for me to play -- for instance, the card game SET.
** Red-green troper here. Throughout all the games I can easily distinguish the difference between the two colors and identify them as red and green each. (As confirmed to me by the logo on the blocks) The problem lies in the hues of red and green spectrum, making it more difficult for me to tell apart close-together hues of red and green than an able viewer can.

* In the third game, where were Bowser's kids when Fawful took over Bowser Castle?
** [[PutOnABus There's a trope for that.]]
** [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosWii They were baking a cake!]]
** Vacations? Somewhere else? It is worth mentioning Bowser owns a LOT of castles, with that one being just his "main" one, they could be in any of those.

* How did the Mushroom Kingdom economy crash so bad at the end of ''Superstar Saga''? And what does this mean for everything else in the series concerning the value of coins?
** Likely it was just Peasley messing with everyone and being stingy. RuleOfFunny, I guess.
** ''VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros2'' came out :)

* Am I missing something? Nintendo Power keeps going on about how apparently ''Superstar Saga'' is the funniest game in the world. I've played through it a few times. It's got some good lighthearted humor, but nothing really spectacular in terms of amusement, unless it's about Luigi being a ButtMonkey.
** [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny You're not the only one.]]
** It's almost as if humor is subjective, and the game just really clicks with their sense of humor, but not yours. And that's okay. What a crazy concept, right?

* What was that thing in the sky with Cackletta's Mug at the start of ''Superstar Saga''? Did she have her own unexplored airship or something?
** I think that was just for dramatic effect.

* In ''Superstar Saga'' Bowletta refer's to Joke's End as "that crypt for cruddy jokes." What exactly does that mean? In either a literal or metaphorical sense?
** Let's say you drop a joke that just ''bombs''. No one laughs and there's just an awkward silence. Joke's End is where those jokes go so no one will have to hear them again.
** Also, bad jokes get a "[[StealthPun cold]]" reaction, befitting of a SlippySlideyIceWorld.

* In ''Superstar Saga'', why does Luigi suck in Professor E. Gadd into the Poltergust 3000 at one point in the game?
** E. Gadd was facing a PottyEmergency and forgot to build a bathroom into the coffehouse he was in at the time. Luigi used the Poultergust to give the professor some privacy and to provide a sight gag.

* Kylie Koopa hasn't aged a day between her appearances in Partners in Time and Dream Team, despite being from the past in the former. We know a significant amount of time has passed between the past and the present in [=PiT=] because the Mario Bros., Bowser, Peach, Toadsworth, and E. Gadd are all much older in the present. Either Koopas are exceptionally long-lived and age slowly, we have a case of [[IdenticalGrandson identical descendants]], or the writers forgot her backstory.
** Probably the exceptionally long lives thing; there are in reality species of turtle which are [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligible_senescence negligibly senescent]]; Koopas are evidently among them.

* In the mainstream games, Luigi is faster than Mario, so why is his speed stat lower?
** Because compared to Mario, Luigi has poorer traction and acceleration and is described as being clumsy. Hell, most of the 2D platformers Luigi's in show him as the slower one.

* In ''Bowser's Inside Story'', Fawful takes 5 squads of Bowser's minions, locks them in a cage and just tosses them all over the Mushroom Kingdom. Why didn't Fawful brainwash them like the rest of Bowser's minions? Better yet, why not just brainwash Bowser, Mario, Green 'Stache, Peach and Starlow as well? And what was the point in "blorbing" the Toads? They're not really the biggest threat to any Mario villain.
** It's likely that the caged minions were too loyal to be brainwashed, and Fawful saw it as opportunity to distract Bowser by scattering them. As for not brainwashing the others, Fawful must have realized that it would be to too risky to confront Mario, Luigi, or Bowser directly and that they would be too strong to brainwash. Fawful also needed the princess for his plan, and didn't need to brainwash her afterward because he was powerful enough that he didn't need more minions. Fawful also most likely didn't know Starlow existed. And "blorbing" the Toads distracted the Mushroom Kingdom while Fawful began his plan. It also got Mario, Luigi, Peach, and several other fairly important people in one place to be inhaled by Bowser, leaving Peach's castle defenseless and allowing Fawful to take ghe princess so he could power the Dark Star and take over the world.

** She did turn back to normal, she just didn't return to the present, at least not on-screen.

* [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse What happened to Toadiko]] at the end of ''Partners in Time''? She was the only major character not shown in the end of the game where the toads are revived, and she did not return in the sequel. [[FridgeHorror Was her Vim completely drained?]]

* In ''Partners in Time'', how come during the fight against Sunnycide you need 5 yoshis to drop the Chomp Rock. The first yoshi you free roll it right to the very edge and yet it can't push it the last little bit to knock Sunnycide over?

** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Three words]]: RuleOfFunny.

** Red-green troper here. Throughout all the games I can easily distinguish the difference between the two colors and identify them as red and green each. (As confirmed to me by the logo on the blocks) The problem lies in the hues of red and green spectrum, making it more difficult for me to tell apart certain hues of red and green than an able viewer can.

* The whole Beanbean Sewers part in Superstar Saga annoys me. Why would fixing a sewer system disable the security on the Beanstar? It's just a little too ridiculous. Also, do Beanish people even excrete? Or are they photosynthetic?
** [[TwoWords Three words]]: RuleOfFunny.
** Since when has Plot ever mattered in a Mario game?

* This might be a dumb question, but in ''Partners in Time'', how come Mario and his brothers and himself [[TheUnfought didn't even attempt to fight Yoob when they first met]], instead cowering? I mean, sure, he's kinda weird-looking, and sure he ate some Yoshis, but he was only a little bigger than Swiggler and equal in size to Petey Piranha, so size at that point wasn't the problem.

* In Dream Team, the two Block-people massaging Rose Broquet are revealed to be Peach and Toadsworth in elaborate costumes. Then, after the cutscene, ''they take the costumes off''. Why didn't they just leave them on? Bowser would never have found Peach in a million years!

*** Nope. He can use his vacuum powers in Dream Team.

** In one of the cutscenes, a toad had no trouble jumping into one of those fleshy, pseudo pipes in Bowser's body. The real pipes were no higher. They've also had no problem traversing Bower's organs at will. It's not like they had much else to do, so why not leave?

** Because they're weak puny toads, unsure of where blorbs come from, and know that Bowser's tummy is the safest place in the Kingdom until the whole Fawful/Dark Star threat boils over.

***** [[SonicTheHedgehog SPIN DASHING]]

*** He could always roll up like that, he needed to fix his back to be able to roll around on his own. The Shy-Guys help slingshot him at his opponent, something he couldn't do on his own.

** [[BeingJohnMalkovich Malkovich Malkovich!]]

** I believe he'd just get to walk around inside himself, and when he walked inside himself, the himself he is walking on would walk inside himself. Kind of like {{Rule34}} of VideoGame/{{Portal}}.

*** Mario, Luigi, and Peach were babies during the invasion so they were too young to remember. Egadd is old enough to remember but he was wrapped up in his own research and likely missed the whole thing. If you visit a room off to the right of the library late in the game a Toad mentions finding a book about the invasion written by Kylie Koopa. So SOME people do remember the invasion.

****** Actually, in Bowser's inside story, after you take out the shroobs and Starlow pokes fun of Luigi, Mario mentions [[spoiler: that [[CallBack Luigi saved the day in the end]],]] so maybe they do remember the invasion.

******** I figured that the time machine actually screwed up the events of the Shroob Invasion. Think Back to the Future. Originally, the Shroobs attacked the kingdom and they probably succeeded in capturing Baby Peach... who with her tears of doom probably wasted the Shroob Princesses. And thus Baby Peach saved the day. However later on Peach time travels back to a point in time where she then alters history and we get the events seen in the game.

***** It might also be worth mentioning that the Mushroom Kingdom constantly suffers from one problem or another. Back story for SuperMarioBros says most of the population into blocks. Bowser has been and will be a constant problem on many levels for the kingdom, not counting at least two alien invasions other than the Shroobs. ButForMeItWasTuesday may apply here. In addition, the people in the past might not have been able to understand why the Shroobs disappeared without a trace thanks to the [[DeusExMachina Baby Tears]]. Add all this together and it might just be a particularly odd [[NoodleIncident footnote]] in the history of a rather odd kingdom in constant war with other odd kingdoms.

* In the middle of Partners in Time, after Mario and Luigi rescued Peach [[spoiler:(actually Princess Shroob in disguise)]], they all rejoice and such and even say they can relax and everything is back to normal ''even though the past kingdom is still infested with Shroobs''. That would make it even ''worse'', as the past would make the present also ruled by Shroobs. Is Princess Peach that much more important than an entire kingdom? Its like it's a GOOD thing that Bowser kidnapped the fake princess.

** No i think Mario and Luigi FORGOT about it. Because Toadworth says Just relax, everything turned out just fine, even though Shroobs were still in the Kingdom.

**** Well, it still bugs me a little bit. I mean, why would they take a break? They're Mario and Luigi! Theyre kickass! But I guess they do. What really bugs me is why Mario goes the entire way just to rescue a princess in the other games. They don't even marry, princess peach only gives him a smooch on the CHEEK, and in earlier games she didn't even do that. And you can see how much hell hes been through to her. He died like millions of times to get to her.
***** Actually, Present Toadsworth is the one who suggests to them to take a break when they ask the two to teach them their latest move, but Young Toadsworth DOES point out that the Shroobs are still running amuck, and there's no time for breaks. So, Headscratcher solved.
** This question reminds me of one of the least popular aspects of the NES game ''TheMagicOfScheherazade''. At one point a character asks the player if he is afraid of monsters. If you answer "Yes", the game takes it to mean that you're giving up and you get a GameOver.

** Because presumably, Mario and Luigi had already gone back and fixed it. This isn't VideoGame/ChronoTrigger, okay?
** My theory is going to burn some brains so sit down and relax: Theoretically a possible future with a link to the past (no reference intended) is not affected by the past until all links are severed like at the end of the game. Also the future/present may or may not snap into the future/present whereas the Shroobs had won, that is; if the Marios and Luigis had relaxed until after the holes had closed the future would have perhaps snapped into the shroob-conquered future, whether anyone had Time Traveller's Immunity is another question.

** Or there could be something completely different going on. It really depends on your idea of how time propagates changes in the timeline. Anyone who played {{Achron}} knows what I'm talking about and for those who don't, it's like this: Changes in the past don't propagate to the present instantly, but they take some time. And the farther back the change is, the longer it takes for that change to propagate to the present. That is basically the gist of it. Seeing as we're talking about chronal entities (so, beings that are affected by changes in the timeline) and seeing as the time of the Shroob invasion is 20-30 years in the past, it would probably take at least a few years for the existence of Shroobs on the planet to propagate to the present. However, this would mean that Shroobs can act in the past, meaning that they also have time-traveling abilities. But there's nothing that contradicts that.

* Of all three games, there are two things that bug me. one: Why is everything that has to be done by the bros together ALWAYS colored red and green? and second, are mario and luigi some sort of martial art experts, given how they (or the player, depending on your point of view) almost always seem to be able to determine which of the bros is about to be attacked, and how?

** [[spoiler:The idea that shroobs can be killed by tears was pure FanWank and EpilepticTrees to begin with. They never show any shroobs being destroyed by tears, Nobody explicitly says they were (If you're going to bring up Starlow's "ferocious crying" quote, that was far too vague to be taken as concrete evidence) , and I highly doubt the Mario Bros would ever try to commit Genocide. What likely happened was that the loss of the Poison Mushrooms left the shroobs weak and powerless enough for Bowser (or whoever happened to in charge of the Koopa Troop at the time) to lauch a counterattack.]]

* What E. Gadd plan to do with junior shrooboid at the end of the game?

* How did the Mushroom Kingdom economy crash so bad at the end of Superstar Saga? And what does this mean for everything else in the series concerning the value of coins?

** New Super Mario Bros 2 came out :)

* Am I missing something? Nintendo Power keeps going on about how apparently Superstar Saga is the funniest game in the world. I've played through it a few times. It's got some good lighthearted humor, but nothing really spectacular in terms of amusement, unless it's about Luigi being a ButtMonkey.
** You're not the only one.
* What was that thing in the sky with Cacklettas Mug at the start of Superstar Saga? Did she have her own unexplored airship or something?

*** [[YoshisIsland Uneventful!?]]
*** Baby Mario and Luigi seem to be older in Partners in Time than they were in the Yoshi's Island games (They were being delivered by the stork in Yoshi's Island, and they didn't appear much older in Yoshi's Island DS, wheras they appear to be young toddlers in Partners in Time), so the Yoshi's Island games probably take place before Partners in Time
*** Exactly. I mean, for a start, Yoshi's Island's babies had no clothes, just diapers. In Partners in Time, they ''did'' have clothes on. They're older, probably toddlers, but Baby Mario and Baby Luigi 1) sounds better, 2) that name was already established and 3) they still act like babies, besides the whole swinging hammers thing.

* In Superstar Saga Bowletta refer's to Joke's End as "that crypt for cruddy jokes." What exactly does that mean? In either a literal or metaphorical sense?
** Lets say you drop a joke that just ''bombs''. No one laughs and there's just an awkward silence. Joke's End is where those jokes go so no one will have to hear them again.

* In SuperStarSaga, why does Luigi suck in Professor E.Gadd into the Poltergust 3000 at one point in the game?

* In Bowser's Inside Story, Fawful takes 5 squads of Bowser's minions, locks them in a cage and just tosses them all over the Mushroom Kingdom. Why didn't Fawful brainwash them like the rest of Bowser's minions? Better yet, why not just brainwash Bowser, Mario, Green 'Stache, Peach and Starlow as well? And what was the point in "blorbing" the Toads? They're not really the biggest threat to any Mario villain.
** It's likely that the caged minions were too loyal to be brainwashed, and Fawful saw it as opportunity to distract Bowser by scattering them. As for not brainwashing the others, Fawful must have realized that it would be to too risky to confront Mario, Luigi, or Bowser directly and that they would be too strong to brainwash. Fawful also needed the Princess for his plan, and didn't need to brainwash her afterward because he was powerful enough that he didn't need more minions. Fawful also most likely didn't know Starlow existed. And "blorbing" the Toads distracted the Mushroom Kingdom while Fawful began his plan. It also got Mario, Luigi, Peach, and several other fairly important people in one place to be inhaled by Bowser, leaving Peach's castle defenseless and allowing Fawful to take The Princess so he could power the Dark Star and take over the world.
* This might be a dumb question, but in Partners in Time, how come Mario and his brothers and himself [[Main/TheUnfought didn't even attempt to fight Yoob when they first met]], instead cowering? I mean, sure, he's kinda weird-looking, and sure he ate some Yoshis, but he was only a little bigger than Swiggler and equal in size to Petey Piranha, so size at that point wasn't the problem.

** It's likely that the caged minions were too loyal to be brainwashed, and Fawful saw it as opportunity to distract Bowser by scattering them. As for not brainwashing the others, Fawful must have realized that it would be to too risky to confront Mario, Luigi, or Bowser directly and that they would be too strong to brainwash. Fawful also needed the Princess for his plan, and didn't need to brainwash her afterward because he was powerful enough that he didn't need more minions. Fawful also most likely didn't know Starlow existed. And "blorbing" the Toads distracted the Mushroom Kingdom while Fawful began his plan. It also got Mario, Luigi, Peach, and several other fairly important people in one place to be inhaled by Bowser, leaving Peach's castle defenseless and allowing Fawful to take The Princess so he could power the Dark Star and take over the world.

** [[NewSuperMarioBrosWii They were baking a cake!]]

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** [[spoiler:The idea that shroobs can be killed by tears was pure FanWank and EpilepticTrees to begin with. They never show any shroobs being destroyed by tears, Nobody explicitly says they were, and I highly doubt the Mario Bros would ever commit Genocide.]]

**** [[ShootTheShaggyDog Then they wouldn't have to play the game in the first place, now would they?]]

**** Exactly. I mean, for a start, Yoshi's Island's babies had no clothes, just diapers. In Partners in Time, they ''did'' have clothes on. They're older, probably toddlers, but Baby Mario and Baby Luigi 1) sounds better, 2) that name was already established and 3) they still act like babies, besides the whole swinging hammers thing.

** NSMB2 came out :)

*** Are you saying that [[GhostTrick their use of technology is just plain off]]?