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**** You're placing the blame on a toddler? seriously? I mean, yeah, what he did was pretty awful, but that's only because of Hal and Lois shitty parental skills. Each and every one of the boys demonstrated that they were actually *better* without Hal or Lois' influence on them(Hell, Dewey self-taught himself piano). I'm not saying they are entirely to blame either, but having some therapy for their own fucked up upbringing would have helped the family A LOT
** Why does no one ever mention the episode where Lois admits she torchers Fancis becase "he started it" (Lois had to stay at the hospital and Francis went home happy)
** Why does no one ever mention the episode where Lois admits she torchers Fancis becase "he started it" (Lois had to stay at the hospital and Francis went home happy)
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**** You're placing the blame on a toddler? seriously? I mean, yeah, what he did was pretty awful, but that's only because of Hal and Lois shitty parental skills. Each and every one of the boys demonstrated that they were actually *better* without Hal or Lois' influence on them(Hell, Dewey self-taught himself piano). I'm not saying they are entirely to blame either, but having some therapy for their own fucked up upbringing would have helped the family A LOT
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** Why does no one ever mention the episode where Lois admits shetorchers Fancis becase tortures Francis because "he started it" (Lois had to stay at the hospital and Francis went home happy)
** Why does no one ever mention the episode where Lois admits she
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**** You're placing the blame on a toddler? seriously? I mean, yeah, whay he did was pretty awful, but that's only because of Hal and Lois shitty parental skills. Each and every one of the boys demonstrated that they were actually *better* without Hal or Lois' influence on them(Hell, Dewey self-taught himself piano). I'm not saying they are entirely to blame either, but having some therapy for their own fucked up upbringing would have helped the family A LOT
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**** You're placing the blame on a toddler? seriously? I mean, yeah, whay what he did was pretty awful, but that's only because of Hal and Lois shitty parental skills. Each and every one of the boys demonstrated that they were actually *better* without Hal or Lois' influence on them(Hell, Dewey self-taught himself piano). I'm not saying they are entirely to blame either, but having some therapy for their own fucked up upbringing would have helped the family A LOT
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Okay, -wow-, that is ridiculous.
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** [[BarackObama Besides, do you really think Americans would vote for an emotionally unstable man-child with deep mother issues]]?
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** [[BarackObama Besides, do you really think Americans would vote for an emotionally unstable man-child with deep mother issues]]?
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**** Exactly, the family has ALL suffered because of their own actions, yet havent learnt one iota from it. If anything, Malcolm is going to grow up thinking its totally cool to manipulate people into fitting the image YOU have for them, and take the abuse from your parents with good humor because "theyre family" or whatever bullshit message it was they tried to tack on in the last episode. I think thats the worst part, the characters are constantly confronted, barraged even, by proof that their behavior is wrong, but do they change? No. Do they even care? No no. It has its moments of comedy, but when the writers expects us to sympathize with that, theyve gone way over the line.
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** I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be positive.
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*** That's her plan. However, unnecessary hardship does not necessarily make a person better. The entire family suffers like Malcolm does largely as a result of their own actions, but they're still irresponsible maniacs.
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** Malcolm was an egotistical bastard and Lois wanted to humble him by keeping him off the easy path. This would cure him of his insufferable genius tendencies and make him value others.
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** Maybe it's because he's her husband and not her kid and generally spouses don't discipline each other unless, you know, it's in a pre-agreed upon kinky way?
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** I think the deal is that Lois and Hal really didn't know anything about kids when they had Francis, Hal was under a lot of stress with his job and they didn't exactly have amazingly supporting family to help them. The combination of Francis being difficult and Lois wanting to protect her children by any means necessary got them into an unhealthy cycle of the children rebelling while Lois is way too strict and why she overreacts to even small things.
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** You should have seen some of the kids I grew up with...
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* Okay, I'll just out and say it - Exactly how is the series ending supposed to be positive? Lois has apparently decided to continue her emotional abuse of Malcolm well into adulthood, and if she succeeds, will place an emotionally unstable man with mother issues as President. Not to mention that all the "hardships" she expects him to solve were caused by the familys own dysfunction and selfish behavior.
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** Why does no one ever mention the episode where Lois admits she torchers Fancis becase "he started it" (Lois had to stay at the hospital and Francis went home happy)
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** Well, in the episode when she finds that out (skipping work every Friday), the revelation gets him out of a lengthy jail sentence, and she ''does'' scream at him for it. Also he is meeker and doesn't cause near as much trouble as his sons (or is better at hiding it, or cleaning it up). That, and when his boys cause trouble or things go wrong, he has to deal with the fallout as much as she does, whereas Lois main beef with the boys is how little they comprehend responsibility or the realities of life she and Hal have to live through. Hal doesn't usually break the law or cause senseless trouble for the family with his shenanigans.
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Never mind, I was remembering wrong. It turns out Lois \'\'had\'\' thought of that, and only had Because I Say So and Insane Troll Logic to back up why that was a better option than a more efficient option that\'s ore likely to succeed at all.
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* Game plan for Malcolm's life after graduation: Become rich at the job he was offered. Be a philanthropist. In his early-to-mid twenties, get an MBA (to avoid non-compete problems with an Engineering degree if he keeps working) at Harvard or some place now that he has a chance of getting the social connections that help people in those colleges become president in the first place (he wouldn't have that option as some random poor kid who gets amazingly good grades despite being a janitorial assistant). Skip all the low-level politics and become a state senator (or even governor) based on popularity, public image, and platform (he comes from a poor background, so as long as people don't think he's lying because of Hal's father's money they will trust him to be relatively honest about social reform in favor of people at and below the poverty line). Malcolm works his way up from there, and boom, even with the time spent at his job (even if he continues working through his senatorial or gubernatorial period), he gets into the Oval Office around four terms ahead of schedule (by my carelessly-calculated estimates), if not earlier, ''while'' being able to provide for his family of (mostly) leeches. If he cares to do so, he can even work toward an engineering degree after the first time he isn't elected (be it after his first or second term), to keep up with modern theory. For that matter, after being President, he can pretty much hire Ivy League-qualified teachers to help him retain his standing as a polymath.
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** The same thing happened with that cheerleader girl who liked Reese and even got past his instinctive behaviour of constantly pranking or harassing her.
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** The same thing happened with that cheerleader girl who liked Reese and even got past his instinctive behaviour of constantly pranking or harassing her.her.
*** That is, she just suddenly disappeared (I'm currently rewatching the series in order, and I don't remember her showing up after that episode, despite sort of watching for her reappearance). Reese didn't hide in her attic or even, as far as I recall, get any closure.
*** That is, she just suddenly disappeared (I'm currently rewatching the series in order, and I don't remember her showing up after that episode, despite sort of watching for her reappearance). Reese didn't hide in her attic or even, as far as I recall, get any closure.
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**** You're placing the blame on a toddler? seriously? I mean, yeah, whay he did was pretty awful, but that's only because of Hal and Lois shitty parental skills. Each and every one of the boys demonstrated that they were actually *better* without Hal or Lois' influence on them(Hell, Dewey self-taught himself piano). I'm not saying they are entirely to blame either, but having some therapy for their own fucked up upbringing would have helped the family A LOT
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*** Tell that to his toddler self pouring gasoline/lighter fluid onto his teddy bear with the intention of setting it on fire, or his child self torturing his brothers, or apparently scarring Reese with a bayonette. Heck, not only was Francis doing something like that before his mom got strict, but the incident with the bear is the reason why Lois snapped and became strict. Besides, just because someone's neither out of touch with reality nor delusional doesn't mean they aren't insane. I mean, look at [[FinalFantasyVI Kefka Palazzo]] or [[FinalFantasyVII Professor Hojo]].
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** "Insane" is really, really stretching it. Francis isn't delusional, he's not out of touch with reality, he's got delinquent tendencies and acts out against authority. If that's "insane," then half of today's youth should be in straight jackets.
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** Francis' actions are definitely better the longer he is out of his home. Maybe the only psychological help he needed was to get out of there!
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* Given some of Francis' depraved actions (and despite what he likes to claim, it was implied that he was always like that and didn't become that due to parental abuse), why didn't Hal and Lois send Francis to an insane asylum? Logically, that would have been the most appropriate place for someone like him, not a military school, given that he is pretty much insane and needs psychological help (assuming, of course, he could be helped).
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** The same thing happened with that cheerleader girl who liked Reese and even got past his instinctive behaviour of constantly pranking or harassing her.
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** I'm pretty sure it was a scam.
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*** It also may be possible that they ''did'' come to the household about the boys, but [[NoodleIncident were somehow scared off from doing anything about it]]. In the episode Hal goes insane and tries to board the boys up in their rooms due to the realization the family don't have medical coverage, Reese threatens to contact them, saying "and they'll show up this time!"
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** Also, its quite clear that Lois is trying to become the female, adult version of Malcom. Even if the extent is nowhere implied, it just seems like her ability to redirect imperfection with logic has an uncanny redirection in a debate.
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similarity with Malcom.
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**Also, its quite clear that Lois is trying to become the female, adult version of Malcom. Even if the extent is nowhere implied, it just seems like her ability to redirect imperfection with logic has an uncanny redirection in a debate.
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* For someone so proactive in well-oiled discipline, Lois never put much thought on Hal after a long period of time. It's kind of sad that she can consistently scream her children into submission while Hal, who is much older but carries an average teenage mentality, is always off the hook. It isn't like he skipped work every Friday right?
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* Malcom's current personality transitioned from an epiphany, so what was going on when Lois was preaching her animal instincts at telling who is feeling what? Malcom's stupid acts at times clearly indicates emotional stress damage.
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that isn't a just bugs me, that's just complaining about stuff you don't like.
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