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*** I doubt that Waller's plan was as simple as 1. Screw with DNA, 2. Murder Parents, 3. ??? 4. BATMAN!. Given how much effort she'd put into it, and was willing to put into it, it's probably safe to say there were steps in the plan post parent-murder to nudge/guide/shove him toward being Batman. But since the plan was derailed at that second step and then abandoned, Waller just didn't bother to tell Terry what the rest of her plan was because it was irrelevant. If step 2 of your plan is where it fell apart, no sense in summing up steps 3-10.\\\
As to why not just talking to Bruce? He's just not the sort of guy you can talk into things like that. He's stubborn. Plus, after the thing with Drake, he would be understandably opposed to training another kid like that.
As to why not just talking to Bruce? He's just not the sort of guy you can talk into things like that. He's stubborn. Plus, after the thing with Drake, he would be understandably opposed to training another kid like that.
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*** I'm sure he had checkups and such, but a lifestyle like Bruce's is going to be "chipping away at his own wellness" no matter what he does. He's still human. He still ages. It's not like his heart just gave out when he was in his prime; look at the first scene in Rebirth, Part 1. Bruce is at least 20 years older than he was in his own series or Justice League (the woman he's rescuing is the full grown ''daughter'' of the woman he dated through a lot of his series), and he's ''still'' pushing himself as hard as he did while he was in his prime. That's going to wear on you; plus I believe he said the suit itself put strain on his heart.
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**** But Waller never anticipated the two of them meeting each-other and even if she did, it's still a major XanatosRoulette that discounts the possibility of just walking up to Bruce and suggesting that he train a replacement.
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**** But he's still--Batman! You don't maintain your CharlesAtlasSuperpower figure by neglecting little things like your long term health and Batman being CrazyPrepared would keep up with regular checkups to ensure he was not chipping away at his own wellness. Granted, the events of ROTJ might have contributed to a long-downward spiral on his overall spiritual fortitude and Batman-ness but still; it's strange that he dismisses his heart problems as an absolute obstacle rather than just another challenge to overcome.
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*** Waller was trying to recreate Batman in all ways, and being ''extremely'' GenreSavvy about it. Bruce Wayne's phenotype clearly helped; she knew there was nothing in his genes ''preventing'' the physical development of Batman, and what was there worked well for a strong, agile, durable man. Also, remember that Bruce has a habit of taking in youngsters whose parents are killed right in front of them, ''and'' Terry's father worked for Wayne-Powers, which gives him that connection. Waller may have [[BatmanGambit expected/intended for Wayne to take on Terry as a ward]], as he did for Tim and Dick before, and let it run its natural course. If history has shown us anything in comics, it's that if you are a young man in the Wayne household for any stretch of time, you ''will'' accidentally find the Batcave and find yourself wearing a super suit in short order.
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*** Bruce Wayne didn't just "work out and exercise", he overexerted himself almost constantly for the majority of his adult life. It has little, if anything, to do with genes, and more to do with burning himself out doing constant all-nighters, and keeping up with literal superhumans, and getting knocked around, quite frequently, by same. Batman or not, he's only human.
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* '''Epilogue:'''
** The idea that Batman is a matter of being InTheBlood goes against the very core of Batman's mythos: Batman is a self-made hero, an ordinary man whose life did not bestow upon him any special powers or other fantastical elements that would differentiate him from others. Instead, he chose to be a hero, and uses human training, detective smarts and high-tech weaponry to facilitate his war on crime. The idea that a reasonably-intelligent individual such as Amanda Waller (especially considering how much she'd have to know about genetics from her involvement with Cadmus) would think that LamarckWasRight is rather mind-boggling. And let's not even touch how Terry was expected to become Batman without ever meeting Bruce Wayne.
** Bruce Wayne's heart problems suggest his genes are innferior. Men who work out and exercise generally experience far less age-related physical decline than their peers. Given the sheer amount of effort and training he put into being Batman, he should have been in better shape even in his 50's and 60's than men half his age, unless there were other factors predisposing him to a weak heart.
** The idea that Batman is a matter of being InTheBlood goes against the very core of Batman's mythos: Batman is a self-made hero, an ordinary man whose life did not bestow upon him any special powers or other fantastical elements that would differentiate him from others. Instead, he chose to be a hero, and uses human training, detective smarts and high-tech weaponry to facilitate his war on crime. The idea that a reasonably-intelligent individual such as Amanda Waller (especially considering how much she'd have to know about genetics from her involvement with Cadmus) would think that LamarckWasRight is rather mind-boggling. And let's not even touch how Terry was expected to become Batman without ever meeting Bruce Wayne.
** Bruce Wayne's heart problems suggest his genes are innferior. Men who work out and exercise generally experience far less age-related physical decline than their peers. Given the sheer amount of effort and training he put into being Batman, he should have been in better shape even in his 50's and 60's than men half his age, unless there were other factors predisposing him to a weak heart.
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*** Actually, it's not that they didn't get a chance to, it's that, uh, they forgot too.
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*** Well, the producers did consider putting in a brief shot of him in "Destroyer" sitting on an asteroid wondering if it's safe to return. They just didn't get a chance to.
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**** The reference is to the comic book, "World's Finest," which was the Superman/Batman of the day. The story about the cruise ship was from Superman #76 titled "The Mightiest Team in the World." A different version of this story was done in Superman/Batman Annual #1.
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***John Stewart's boring old regular responsibility is necessary because he serves as a standard earth type straight man. Every other one of the main characters had comedic elements inherent in their seriousness, which meant that when you needed a genuine straight-man (like with Flash's more outrageous exploits, or the more absurd of villain's plans). And yeah, by the end he got some pretty decent development. If he'd been in a stand-alone show, fine, yeah, he would have been boring, but JLU really needed a believable straight man to set up some of its more ridiculous dialogue.
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**They forgot about Amazo! (Everyone forgot about Amazo)
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*Green Lantern villains /seriously/ got the shaft in the DCAU. Guardians got their episode, sure. That random Star Sapphire got absolutely no characterization to be in line with comic continuity -- I understand at the end they were pressed for time, but she joins the Injustice Gang where every other character got either their own episode or some decent defining moments in that one -- heck, even Copperhead gets more fleshing out than she does, but alright, they got her on-screen, nobody's really watching to see Green Lantern and Stewart doesn't have most of the baddies anyway. But Sinestro is impersonating people and robbing banks? Seriously? He's shown as being less worthwhile than half of the one-off villains from S:TAS. I think they kinda knew they weren't doing enough with him, too, since he rarely ever speaks or goes on missions even when he joins the Legion of Doom. Supes' villains are everywhere, Diana gets to deal with Hades and at least have a few of her big bads be recurring with some development, Flash's guys are a joke but that's not THAT far off from usual, Bruce had his own series; J'onn and Hawkgirl, well, I don't blame them for that.
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** However, the Legacy fight gave the impression that Supes ''was'' going all out and was barely holding his own until he figured out how to turn the Omega Beams back on Darkseid. Maybe [[HandWave Supes just absorbed more yellow sunlight and got more powerful himself]] (I honestly have no idea if that works out, but it was the first thing that sprang to mind)?
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** However, the Legacy fight gave the impression that Supes ''was'' going all out and was barely holding his own until he figured out how to turn the Omega Beams back on Darkseid. Maybe [[HandWave Supes just absorbed more yellow sunlight and got more powerful himself]] (I honestly have no idea if that works out, but it was the first thing that sprang to mind)? mind)?
** Actually, the yellow sunlight thing makes sense. In the episode with Dr. Destiny, in his nightmare Superman remarks about how he started out with no power and how he keeps getting more and more. This would seem to imply that the longer he stays under a yellow sun the more powerful he becomes. So there could indeed be a significant power differential in Superman's levels between the two fights.
** Actually, the yellow sunlight thing makes sense. In the episode with Dr. Destiny, in his nightmare Superman remarks about how he started out with no power and how he keeps getting more and more. This would seem to imply that the longer he stays under a yellow sun the more powerful he becomes. So there could indeed be a significant power differential in Superman's levels between the two fights.
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* Okay, we all remember Superman's WorldOfCardBoardSpeech, and yes it was awesome. But there, he claims to be going all out against Darkseid for the first time. Then why didn't he mop the floor with Darkseid in "Twilight"? It was obvious he was going to kill Darkseid if Batman hadn't interfered, so why didn't he use his true power there?
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** Because he didn't think he needed it. Darkseid in the final episode was, as he mentioned, more powerful than he had been before, and previous to Twilight, Superman had ''already'' beaten him in a one-on-one fight (See his own series finale), so it stands to reason Supes would've believed he could still beat him at 'normal' in Twilight. So the progression goes: Legacy [Superman fighting at normal to beat Darkseid]--> Twilight [Superman fighting at normal, perhaps a bit above, to ''kill'' Darkseid]--> Destroyer [Superman going all out]
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** Either that, or whoever made the sweater used the wrong needle size when she made her sweater. Depending on her pattern, she could have easily grabbed the wrong type of needles (too big) and accidently created a larger sweater. Given this hypothesis, it's probable that they're (guys can knit too) one of two things: A n00b (possibly a grandchild of one of Mrs. Kent's friends), or someone who has a hard time reading small print, and grabs the wwrong size needles. SoYeah...
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*** Again, why not the USSR? They won the war too, after all. And it wouldn't be too hard to imagine a coup against Stalin succeeding right after the first german victories.
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*** One, the Nazi ideology is much more in line with Savage's inclinations than the Communist. Two, Stalin was more paranoid than Hitler, and less easy to manipulate.
*** One, the Nazi ideology is much more in line with Savage's inclinations than the Communist. Two, Stalin was more paranoid than Hitler, and less easy to manipulate.
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*** Does no one remember that this exact trick was used in Face/Off as a Kick The Dog move to show what a jerk the villain is? Disguising yourself as someone's sex partner and then having sex with them under that guise looks a whole lot like rape to me. And Flash has no way of knowing how Tara would feel in hindsight about being tricked into sex with him.
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*** Does no one remember that this exact trick was used in Face/Off as a Kick The Dog move to show what a jerk the villain is? Disguising yourself as someone's sex partner and then having sex with them under that guise looks a whole lot like rape to me. And Flash has no way of knowing how Tara Tala would feel in hindsight about being tricked into sex with him. him.
*** The difference between this and Face/Off is that in that film, he villain was the one instigating it, and he was doing it deliberately to stick it to (sorry) the good guy. In this, Tala instigates it. It wasn't Flash's idea, and he probably gave some resistance to it initially (the "...That's not restful" line sounded that way, anyway) before...well, from what we've seen of the Flash in this series, he's not going to resist that sorta persuasion for very long, and besides, the options were probably "Have sex with the woman who's trying very intently to have sex with you" or "blow your cover in the middle of a base full of people who want to do grievous harm to you."
*** The difference between this and Face/Off is that in that film, he villain was the one instigating it, and he was doing it deliberately to stick it to (sorry) the good guy. In this, Tala instigates it. It wasn't Flash's idea, and he probably gave some resistance to it initially (the "...That's not restful" line sounded that way, anyway) before...well, from what we've seen of the Flash in this series, he's not going to resist that sorta persuasion for very long, and besides, the options were probably "Have sex with the woman who's trying very intently to have sex with you" or "blow your cover in the middle of a base full of people who want to do grievous harm to you."
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*** Does no one remember that this exact trick was used in Face/Off as a Kick The Dog move to show what a jerk the villain is? Disguising yourself as someone's sex partner and then having sex with them under that guise looks a whole lot like rape to me. And Flash has no way of knowing how Tara would feel in hindsight about being tricked into sex with him.
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**** And I think the {{MST3KMantra}} can apply here as well
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** Perhaps they meant that you can't travel to a place where you were at that time in the past. For example, he couldn't have traveled back in time to Mars but since he didn't exist on earth during WWII he could travel there.
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** I think it was a dark joke about how lawyers are viewed as corrupt and willing to represent anyone for the right price. It's been awhile since I've seen it but don't the judges say they fixed their lawyer problem? Getting killed with your client would prevent most lawyers from trying to profit since the risk would be so high.
** I think it was a dark joke about how lawyers are viewed as corrupt and willing to represent anyone for the right price. It's been awhile since I've seen it but don't the judges say they fixed their lawyer problem? Getting killed with your client would prevent most lawyers from trying to profit since the risk would be so high.
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** Not to mention, he didn't die from a punch but from being electrocuted to death by several attackers. It also showed a rare emotional moment from older Bruce who lost another member of the Bat family and his son.
** Not to mention, he didn't die from a punch but from being electrocuted to death by several attackers. It also showed a rare emotional moment from older Bruce who lost another member of the Bat family and his son.
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* Terry's portrayal in "The Once And Future Thing" first he's shown to be pretty cowardly, trying to retreat via boom-tube and then he pretty much dies like a bitch. I know it was only a twenty minute episode but Terry really deserves more. Sacrificing himself for young Bruce or just some synchronised ass-kicking or something.
*And I disliked the lack of Max in 'Epilogue' as well.
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*** I doubt that Flash didn't consent. I mean, this is Wally "Why Do You Need A Van? Nevermind, I don't want to know" West here. Given what we've seen of him, he probably had a bit of hesitation before going right into it. Notice how afterward he's walking with his arm around her and she's talking about how gentle he was, so he must have been participating.
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* Another question from that episode: Savage's time machine can't take you back to a time when you already existed. Martian Manhunter is almost a thousand years old, according to Secret Origins. How did he go back in time with the others?
