History Headscratchers / JusticeLeague

[[folder: Public Knowledge of Justice Lord Batman]]

Episodes with their own pages:

[[folder: Injustice Gang are idiots]]

[[folder: Secret Origins, Offscreen Get-togethers]]

[[folder: Flash's magic punch]]

[[folder: Hawkgirl the two-timer?]]

[[folder: Video from another dimension]]

[[folder: Terminator Joker]]

[[folder: "Civil war on Apokolips? Good."]]

--->'''Martian Manhunter''': Superman's on a mission in deep space, but even if he weren't, it makes no sense for the League to help another dictator come to power on Apocalypse. A dictator who could eventually threaten Earth, just as Darkseid did. Better to let them fight among themselves than attack the rest of the universe.

[[folder: "The Once and Future Thing"]]

[[folder: Cadmus: Department of Endangerment and Torture]]

[[folder: Wally's age]]

[[folder: Hawkgirl does her research]]
* Okay, so at the end of "Divided We Fall", when Shayera is pulling ComicBook/TheFlash out of the Speed Force, how does she know his name? Yes, the [=JL=] admitted who they were at the end of "Starcrossed", but Shayera wasn't there, so... How does she know that the Flash is "Wally"?

[[folder: Plot threads left hanging]]

[[folder: Aquaman's super-balance]]

[[folder: Who pays for this stuff?]]

[[folder: The Future Justice League]]

** Wonder Woman's absence is explained in the ''Justice League Beyond'' tie-in comic. [[spoiler:She spent decades trapped on the Justice Lords' world aiding Lord Batman in his war against Lord Superman.]] Interestingly enough, she ''has'' aged somewhat, to about the degree that Superman has.

[[folder: Think a little bigger, Roulette!]]

[[folder: No easy forgivness for Hawkgirl]]

[[folder: Kill waterbreathers by drowning]]

[[folder: Hawkgirl dressing]]

[[folder: Offscreen mass murder in "Kid Stuff"]]

[[folder: A map from the future]]

[[folder: What measure is an alien invader?]]

[[folder: Aquaman is a board member? Why?]]

[[folder: Supergirl's French leave]]
* Am I the only one that finds Supergirl's [[spoiler: staying in the future]] utterly ridiculous, stupid, and forced? She has a few lines of dialogue with a boy she's never met before, suddenly she's so in love with him that she abandons everyone she's ever known without even saying goodbye in person, without ever being able to see them again? Yeah, I know, 'growing out from under Superman's shadow', but this part of her character is ''never brought up before'' so it comes right out of the blue. And now she's lost her family ''again''. Plus, as a fan of hers, it kind of seems disrespectful to the character to put her on a LongBusTrip, and right before the finale!.

[[folder: J'onn's StoryBreakerPower]]

[[folder: How did Amazo use Superman's powers at night time?]]

[[folder: Dr. Destiny/John Dee being a Luthor fanboy]]

[[folder: Batman being a jerk to Superman for attacking Darkseid]]

[[folder: Legion of Doom had the ability to mind control the Justice League]]

[[folder: Amazo's power and creating rings.]]

[[folder: Thanagarians' other options]]

[[folder: Was "Legends" supposed to air before "In Justice for all"?]]

** Most certainly. Every DCAU show that wasn't Static Shock, The Zeta Project or [=JLU=] had its episodes produced and aired out of order.

[[folder: How can Clark fight crime, hang out with the league, and still work at the Daily Planet?]]

[[folder: Batman the team practice slacker]]

[[folder: ...and many others]]

[[folder: Why did J'onn think that leaving Kalibak as Vundabar's prisoner would make Apokolips less threatening?]]

[[folder: AMAZO can’t use magic?]]
* When AMAZO comes back and subsequently gets talked out of destroying Lex Luthor by the man himself, he sticks around for a while. He only leaves because he is faced with a revived Solomon Grundy, who his vast powers can’t do anything to because Grundy is being powered by magic. Which somewhat makes sense, being a machine and all….until you remember that Wonder Woman’s powers are gifted by the Olympian Gods, and are either magic, or something close enough to count as it. And AMAZO copied Wonder Woman’s powers during his very first appearance along with the rest of the Justice League. And this was while he was still just a really advanced humanoid nanoswarm, not the evolved being that came back to Earth after traveling the universe. My question is: how the hell does he not know how to deal with magic?! Even if he didn’t travel the entire universe, I refuse to believe that at no point did AMAZO come across any magic on other planets and thus learn to use it or deal with it. Even if he did, he still has Wonder Woman’s powers, which, again, ARE magic! How the hell does he not know at least how to weaken magic?!

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[[folder:"Maid of Honour"]]
* Why is Vandal Savage marrying the princess? He already has the Kasnian military at his beck and call, and they are happy to lock her in her room when he gives the say so after the marriage even though he is still her inferior by rank. He's already got an important job with the government helping to organise their contributions to the space station, and whether or not the King was involved in that aspect it is demonstrated that he was disposable. The whole marriage part of the plan seemed unnecessary- he could have gotten what he wanted by just ignoring the princess entirely. A immortal would-be world conqueror shouldn't be interested in something as trivial legitimatising his claim to the throne of a tiny fictional nation.
** Apparently he was interested in that, because that's what he says he's after.
*** But WHY though? It gained him nothing he didn't already have. It just comes off as a plot device to get Wonder Woman involved in a particular way.
*** For whatever reason, he felt a legitimate claim to the throne was important. Perhaps he was foreseeing when he'd have to deal with other nations and figured being a rightful ruler would at least make it a little more difficult for other countries to try and depose him as opposed to if, for instance, he'd just taken over in a military coup.
** We don’t know that he has “the Kasnian military” under his control, we only know that he has ‘’some parts’’ of the Kasnian military under his control. He probably hasn’t suborned the ‘’’entire’’’ officer corps, let alone the rank and file, who just know him as “the guy the Princess is marrying” plus maybe the King’s science advisor or something. By going through with the marriage he presumably gets some sort of legal authority, so after he gets his actual conspirators to lock up Audrey and he gives orders as “Prince Consort, speaking for my wife is just taking a nap no really she’s in the next room trust me” the normal Kasnian soldiers just showing up to work won’t cause any problems arguing about authority. This is often how real coups take place: Get themselves appointed to some position — ANY position — so that after their conspiracy takes over they can point to their legitimate connections as an excuse for everybody not in on the conspiracy to accept what happened.
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[[folder: "Epilogue"]]
* The idea that Batman is a matter of being InTheBlood goes against the very core of Batman's mythos: Batman is a self-made hero, an ordinary man whose life did not bestow upon him any special powers or other fantastical elements that would differentiate him from others. Instead, he chose to be a hero, and uses human training, detective smarts and high-tech weaponry to facilitate his war on crime. The idea that a reasonably-intelligent individual such as Amanda Waller (especially considering how much she'd have to know about genetics from her involvement with Cadmus) would think that LamarckWasRight is rather mind-boggling. And let's not even touch how Terry was expected to become Batman without ever meeting Bruce Wayne.
** Waller was trying to recreate Batman in all ways, and being ''extremely'' savvy about it. Bruce Wayne's phenotype clearly helped; she knew there was nothing in his genes ''preventing'' the physical development of Batman, and what was there worked well for a strong, agile, durable man. Also, remember that Bruce has a habit of taking in youngsters whose parents are killed right in front of them, ''and'' Terry's father worked for Wayne-Powers, which gives him that connection. Waller may have [[BatmanGambit expected/intended for Wayne to take on Terry as a ward]], as he did for Tim and Dick before, and let it run its natural course. If history has shown us anything in comics, it's that if you are a young man in the Wayne household for any stretch of time, you ''will'' accidentally find the Batcave and find yourself wearing a super suit in short order.
*** But Waller never anticipated the two of them meeting each-other and even if she did, it's still a GambitRoulette that discounts the possibility of just walking up to Bruce and suggesting that he train a replacement.
*** Again: Terry's dad worked for Wayne-Powers. You think Bruce isn't going to hear about one of his employees and his wife being murdered and leaving an 8-year-old orphan boy behind?
** I'm pretty sure that Terry's parents were selected to be personality/behavior matches for Bruce's parents. She did not just pick a random couple and hope for the best; so she had nature and nurture pretty much covered.
*** The above was actually confirmed in-universe; Waller explicitly states that she was looking for a couple that fit the psychological profile of Thomas and Martha Wayne. Remember, Waller was being ''very'' savvy, and had been around Cadmus enough to take psychology into account.
** I doubt that Waller's plan was as simple as 1. Screw with DNA, 2. Murder Parents, 3. ??? 4. BATMAN!. Given how much effort she'd put into it, and was willing to put into it, it's probably safe to say there were steps in the plan post parent-murder to nudge/guide/shove him toward being Batman. But since the plan was derailed at that second step and then abandoned, Waller just didn't bother to tell Terry what the rest of her plan was because it was irrelevant. If step 2 of your plan is where it fell apart, no sense in summing up steps 3-10.\\\
As to why not just talking to Bruce? He's just not the sort of guy you can talk into things like that. He's stubborn. Plus, after the thing with Drake, he would be understandably opposed to training another kid like that.
** It's not LamarckWasRight, Bruce Wayne was obviously well suited from a genetic standpoint to be Batman. Look at his height, physical build, good looks, and intelligence; ''these are all things that are determined in large part before you are even born''. They are like base stats; sure, you can get some bonuses by training, but you are not gonna be able to completely remake your body and mind as if they are made out of legos.
*** Bruce Wayne's heart problems suggest his genes are inferior. Men who work out and exercise generally experience far less age-related physical decline than their peers. Given the sheer amount of effort and training he put into being Batman, he should have been in better shape even in his 50's and 60's than men half his age, unless there were other factors predisposing him to a weak heart.
*** Batman is fictional character. His heart problems has nothing to do with problems per se. In "real life" genetics pre-determine of what you are on 93%. Without appropriate genetics, no matter how much person exercise, they won't be able to achieve certain results more, than they actually can without suited for that purpose genes. Person is born smart or dumb. Person born strong or weak. Everywhere is genetics and absolutely nothing else. Will to train is also part of genetics respectively. Batman as fictional character not bound by actuality.
*** Bruce Wayne didn't just "work out and exercise", he overexerted himself almost constantly for the majority of his adult life. It has little, if anything, to do with genes, and more to do with burning himself out doing constant all-nighters, and keeping up with literal superhumans, and getting knocked around, quite frequently, by same. Batman or not, he's only human.
*** "It has little, if anything, to do with genes". That could be true, except, it is not. Explanation will be in next sentence. "and more to do with burning himself out doing constant all-nighters". "Burning himself out" and "doing constant all-nighters" both are bacically will and determination that comes from genetics. To build muscle mass, person need appropriate genes. Saying that genetics don't play or almost don't play a role in it, is just nonsense.
*** But he's still--Batman! You don't maintain your CharlesAtlasSuperpower figure by neglecting little things like your long term health and Batman being CrazyPrepared would keep up with regular checkups to ensure he was not chipping away at his own wellness. Granted, the events of ROTJ might have contributed to a long-downward spiral on his overall spiritual fortitude and Batman-ness but still; it's strange that he dismisses his heart problems as an absolute obstacle rather than just another challenge to overcome.
*** He did try to find ways to overcome it, one of those was the Mecha-Batsuit that ended up causing him even more heartstrain, the Suit that Terry wears is almost certainly a response itself to his health problems. Trouble is, even for Batman, there comes a point where the human body ''has'' to give way to age. There is a point where it ''is'' an absolute obstacle, and that is one that even Bruce couldn't outgambit.
*** I'm sure he had checkups and such, but a lifestyle like Bruce's is going to be "chipping away at his own wellness" no matter what he does. He's still human. He still ages. It's not like his heart just gave out when he was in his prime; look at the first scene in Rebirth, Part 1. Bruce is at least 20 years older than he was in his own series or Justice League (the woman he's rescuing is the full grown ''daughter'' of the woman he dated through a lot of his series), and he's ''still'' pushing himself as hard as he did while he was in his prime. That's going to wear on you; plus I believe he said the suit itself put strain on his heart.
*** For years Batman was fighting the Joker, the Scarecrow and Poison Ivy to name just some of the most prominent enemies that used chemicals. Think about what kind of hazardous gases and liquids he must have been exposed to at least once a month by them. Then there's the many hits from opponents who range from human levels of strength to near-Superman. On top of that is his tendency to not wait till he's fully healed before he gets into combat. Combine ''that'' with the incredible amount of stress he must be experiencing on a daily basis. The fact that he managed to survive long enough to retire and still help in Batman Beyond is a minor miracle.
*** He wasn't talking about the normal Batsuit there, but about the PoweredArmor one, but his health was not the entire reason for his quitting. The Problem was, that it forced him to use a gun to threaten a bad guy. Even if he had been fully healed the next day he would not have taken up the cape and cowl again, because he had violated his one rule, which made him unfit to be Batman in his own eyes.
*** The fact that he was alone toward the end (Alfred presumably dead, Dick gone independent as Nightwing, Tim retired from heroics after the events of ''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Return of the Joker]]'', Barbara going into normal police work) probably contributed, both by increasing his emotional dysfunctions and by depriving him of the people who might have been able to get through to him and convince him to take better care of himself.
** The episode actually mentions that she chose Terry's parents specifically because they matched the Waynes' psychological profiles. As for how she was planning to get Terry under Bruce's tutelage: it's possible that her plan was that after the [=McGinnises=] were assassinated, Waller would call in a favor with some local official to have Gotham's social services administration contact Bruce Wayne about taking in young Terry. Or it's possible that Waller was planning to literally bring Terry to Wayne Manor, and confess her role in the matter, not caring that Bruce would send her to jail, because in her view her job would already be done: Bruce wouldn't have the heart to send the orphan Terry away, and would end up raising him; Waller seems like the type who'd view her own potential arrest as a perfectly acceptable loss, in exchange for ensuring the continued legacy of Batman.
** Most of this can be explained by the fact that the episode incorporates story ideas from a planned sequel to ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker'' where Selina Kyle would have been the one who created Terry.

* If Ace had RealityWarper powers, why couldn't she just use them to get rid of her brain tumor?
** Maybe the tumors were somehow related to her powers? A RealityWarper warping their own brain that warps reality sounds like a very sketchy idea. Given that Ace could read minds and Batman would likely have thought of Ace using her powers to cure herself, it could be that trying it is exactly what would create the "Psychic Backlash" Waller warned Batman about. Plus, Ace was pretty much suicidal by that point anyway.
** Ace didn't ''have'' a brain tumor, she had an ''aneurysm''. That means one or more blood vessels inside her brain swelled up with blood and then ''ruptured''. And since using her powers is what caused it, using her powers on her brain to try and stop it would probably have only accelerated the damage.
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[[folder: "Hereafter"]]
* Vandal Savage's explanation of why he couldn't travel back in time to fix his own mistakes felt half-done. Okay, he can't travel back to anytime that he exists in, and he's existed since the Stone Age. But there was some point in pre-history when the caveman who would become Vandal Savage hadn't been born yet. What's stopping him from traveling back then, and taking TheSlowPath back to the modern day? Depending on the way causality works in the DCAU, he can either stop his young self from becoming immortal, or let it happen and give his younger self strict warnings about causing apocalypses. Heck, he can even take over the primitive world if he hasn't outgrown that obsession.
** While he certainly ''could'' do that, I figure he just pegged it as not a fruitful plan since, after 25,000 years living through the same events all over again, he'd be too insane to really be able to stop Vandal Savage in the present. Of course, he ''could'' go back and kill himself (Or just prevent himself from becoming immortal), since he'd only need to live through something like twenty years to get to that point, and I can't think of why he wouldn't try that.
** Initial troper here. Just realized that Savage could have reused the plan than that he almost won WWII with. He just has to send a message back to Savage about not playing with the force of gravity. I love that episode to bits, but I can't get the FridgeLogic out of my head.
*** Its possible he tried that and Past-Savage didn't listen to the message, or decided to go ahead with the experiment while taking "precautions", modifying his experiments with safety measures that of course failed.
** In the comics DCU, it's impossible to intersect your own light-cone. Vandal Savage was physically unable to travel back to his own past and interact with his younger self, slow path or no.
* There was something else about Hereafter that always bothered me. So Vandal Savage creates a machine that gives him control over gravity. Sure. He uses this machine to kill the Justice League and "disrupts the gravitational balance of the entire solar system". Okay, so that's why we can see what looks like Saturn in the sky that big. Did these gravitational disruptions also somehow age the Sun the several billion years necessary for it to enter the red giant stage? I mean I get that a powerless Superman creates more drama and tension to the story but... what?
** Actually, yes, since the stage a star is in is directly related to its mass; changing the gravity (Perhaps removing much of a stars mass) will certainly alter its state.
** More precisely, the physical configuation of a star is driven by a balance between radiation pressure pushing outward and gravity pulling inward. If something altered the force of gravity, this equilibrium would shift.
* Why did they not reveal Superman's secret identity since it would seem pointless to keep it (as far as they know)?
** Why would they? All it would result in is a media blitz of Ma and Pa Kent, and/or supervillains targeting them directly.
** Does the public think that Superman ''has'' a secret identity to begin with?
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[[folder: A Better World]]
* From the “A Better World” episode: Why did the power disruptor work on Lord Green Lantern? Like Batman, the Green Lanterns derive their “powers” from skills and technology, so it logically shouldn’t have worked on him. WordOfGod says that the power disruptor affects the nervous system. Technically, anyone affected by it still has their powers, they just can't use them anymore. What this doesn't explain is how Lord Superman is somehow unable to "keep using" his invulnerability.

It is established over time that Hawkgirl, and indeed all Thanagarians are immune to Martian telepathy, at least unless the Martian tries harder, which usually breaks the mind of the Thanagarian. So how did J'onn telepathically summon Hawkgirl in Secret Origins with the other heroes?

[[folder: "Comfort and Joy"]]
* Martha Kent's HomemadeSweaterFromHell bugs me, primarily because it was too big. For [[ComicBook/MartianManhunter J'onn freaking J'onzz]]. I could understand this if the sweater was intended for superchested Clark Kent, but Martha clearly states that the sweater was an extra from a community service knitting group effort. Is there anybody else on the planet ''besides'' her adoptive son that could have worn that thing comfortably? Good thing J'onn's a shapeshifter.
** I hate to say it, but you really underestimate America.
** Also due to the nature of the art style Superman and Martian Manhunter share very similar builds anyway. Even the Flash is stacked like a bodybuilder.
** Also, it's an extra from a knitting group. It's possible, maybe even likely, that it's an "extra" because the person who knitted it screwed up, and made it too big.
** How do you think "superchested Clark Kent" managed to blend in with the rest of Smallville in the first place?
** Either that, or whoever made the sweater used the wrong needle size when they made their sweater. Depending on her pattern, they could have easily grabbed the wrong type of needles (too big) and accidentally created a larger sweater. Given this hypothesis, it's probable that they are one of two things: A n00b (possibly a grandchild of one of Mrs. Kent's friends), or someone who has a hard time reading small print, and grabs the wrong size needles.
** Let's not forget that this is a somewhat rural farming community too. Big chested men would not seem out of place.
* This is just a small thing, but am I the only one who finds it a little weird that Superman apparantly still believes in Santa Claus?
** By this point in his career, [[ArbitrarySkepticism he's seen weirder stuff than that, so why not?]]
** I think it's mainly been contained to joke issues and one-shots stories, but hasn't it been confirmed that Santa Claus (Or at least one version of him) does exist in the DCU (I recall reading somewhere on this site that he once gave Darkseid a lump of coal)? I wouldn't be surprised if Superman has actually ''met'' Santa.
** Not just once. He does it ''every year''.
** Who says he really believes in Santa Claus? Until the day he died my dad insisted that every Christmas gift I was ever given was "from Santa" not from my parents. Even long after I had stopped believing in Santa he still kept it up. I guess he thought it was funny or cute or something. Maybe Clark is doing the same thing?
** Superman isn't shown as believing in Santa Claus. It's pretty clear in the episode when he "corrects" Pa Kent that he didn't do it cause he didn't KNOW, but that he did it as part of "being in the spirit of the season". Sure, he knows Santa isn't real, but since for him, Santa is a part of Christmas, you play along like he is.
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[[folder: "A Better World"]]
* The Concept depends on Superman and the Justice League being willing to jump straight over to the Dark side just because Flash was murdered; I get that there was a nuclear war on the brink as well but it seems farfetched. And how did they take over the world? They were seven of them and the whole military.
** It wasn't just that Flash was murdered and there was a nuclear war on the brink--it's also that Lex Luthor murdered Flash ''and'' was elected president, so he got away with it. Those things, particularly the American people electing Luthor, were enough to show the Justice League that "Hey, these people just can't handle democracy and their freedoms."\\\
As for how? They have Superman, who's invulnerable, and fast enough to dodge anything that can hurt him, especially when he's not holding back. The Martian Manhunter, who's all that ''and'' psychic and can become intangible. Wonder Woman, who's just a step below that. Green Lantern, who wields what's acknowledged, in universe, as the most powerful weapon in the universe. And Batman, who has near limitless resources and who, through Wayne Tech, probably has a considerable amount of pull with the US government.\\\
When they take the gloves off, there isn't a damn thing the US military could've done to stop them.
** Presumably they convinced a few regional powers to work with them, maybe through popular revolutions (they could gain a lot of sympathy by reminding everyone ''Luthor'' is still a murderous super villain who very nearly took control of the richest most powerful nation on Earth). Their powers combined with conventional military might do the trick, though presumably ''someone'' would have held out somewhere.
* The episode ends with all the Justice Lords except Batman depowered by Luthor's ray, then sent back to their own world. With six of their greatest heroes powerless, does this mean that their Earth is completely screwed as soon as the Thanagarian invasion arrives? Or is Lord Hawkgirl's alternate costume (her helmet is identical to the one that League-Hawkgirl wore in the Thanagarian military) a signal that the invasion already happened or won't happen at all?
** Judging by the series' tone, I'm [[WildMassGuessing guessing]] that the Justice Lords offered the Thanagarians a dual ultimatutm and offer of alliance: their enemies' heads on a plate, or their own.
** They still had [[MemeticBadass Batman]]. The Thanagarians wouldn't have stood a chance.
** Their timeline seemed to be set several years later, so they probably went through the invasion already. Now on the other hand, when the ''next'' planet-threatening crisis happens, that Earth is fairly screwed.
** I thought the Justice Lords were imprisoned on this earth after being stripped of their powers. I may have to rewatch the end to make sure though.
** Remember that Justice Lords Earth apparently has no war anymore (its probably best not to think about how that happened) but they still have plenty of police and tanks on hand to deal with disturbances in Arkham Asylum... plus mass-produced Superman robots. Lord Batman could easily whip up robot duplicates of his allies to keep things under control while uniting the worlds military and police enough to combat any other invasion that comes in. Plus... mass-produced Superman robots.
*** Those Superman robots were worthless. They had decent physical strength but their endurance was pathetic; the Justice League were ripping the things apart with an absurd amount of minimal effort. They weren't bright either; demonstrating no strategy and even showing one of them ''thanking'' the League for a beating as it's disembodied head flew through the air. The Thanagarians would have literally laughed their asses off when confronted by these things.
* Something else about "A Better World": The power-stripping gun Lex Luthor built and used on the Justice Lords. If it worked so well, why was it never used on any of the other supervillains the Justice League faced in the rest of the series? Why didn't Lex ever build another one? Given his photographic memory, it's not as if he couldn't remember how! Why didn't the superhero-paranoid government ask him to build ''them'' one?
** WordOfGod on the issue is that since Lex turned the gun over to the League, they'd be ready with a countermeasure next time. Which is kind of a handwave, but hey. As for why they never used it again...the only thing I can think of is that it'd be too similar to lobotomizing all their enemies (since more WordOfGod states that it works by generating some sort of neurological interference, which is the only reason it works on so many different powers--particularly the reason it was able to affect GL).
*** Why not just have Luthor try to build a better gun? We the viewers know in-story that they went the Frankenstein route so that their creations (Doomsday, the Ultimen, Galatea) could turn on them and prove the league was right all along but mechanical countermeasures can't think for themselves and escape your control unlike biological ones.
*** There's always the possibility that Lex is perfectly willing to lie and cheat, but [[IGaveMyWord when he makes an actual DEAL with someone, he upholds it]]. When he didn't use the gun on the real League at the end of the episode he does mention "A deal's a deal" and hands the gun over rather than taking the opportunity to defeat the real League once and for all. I know I'm stretching, but I have seen a character in some game or something I once played who would lie, double cross, etc, but if he actually swore an oath to do(or not do) something, he would uphold it no matter how much he disliked the idea.
*** BRAINIAC
*** Also, organic beings have greater ingenuity and initaitve than machines and can adapt; they can be hacked as well.
*** I thought Project Cadmus ''was'' the "better gun," and Luthor's presidential pardon was just a way of getting his scientific knowledge under government control. Like Werner von Braun. (Although I admit even one of those 'inhibitor guns' would have been awfully handy when Cadmus was trying to destroy the League.)
* What the hell happened to the Guardians in the alternate universe? Didn't Sinestro try to do almost the exact same thing on his homeworld as John Stewart was participating in with the Justice Lords?
** Remember it's a parallel universe and not a divergent one (they've always called themselves the Justice LORDS for example, something one can infer from Batman showing his teammates the viewer and going 'but they call themselves the Justice LEAGUE) therefor the personalities of the Guardians in that universe don't have to be identical to the one from the 'main' Earth. So Justice Lords GL might actually have Sinestro as the Role Model of GL behavior rather than a reviled traitor. One has more reason to consider the general acceptance by everyone else to Superman killing Luthor (of whom plenty of non-lethal methods were available, heck with the way Lex was taunting him wasting time Superman could have easily heat vision vaporized the control button and/or Lex's hand and arm to stop him), clearly everyone was darker and less heroic in that universe. Ironically enough you have Hawkgirl being the one showing concern for their methods and John, a black man who in theory shouldn't be behind such oppression instead supporting it wholeheartedly and missing the fact that people still live in terror only now it's of him and his teammates.
*** Divergent universes are a type of parallel universes, so making that distinction is the same as saying, "That's an animal, not a dog." That being said, the Justice Lords universe could very well be a divergent universe where the timeline diverges, with Luthor taking office, before the League was even formed. The evidence for this is that only Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman were there during the attack on the White House.
*** They point they are trying to make is that in a parallel timeline, the foundation of these characters personalities and history can be very different. Not just Superman went left instead of right in episode 5 of his series. It's easier to explain it with worlds where Superman is active in the 1950's. That's a bit more than just a divergence.
** Let's not forget Thanagar. Shayera's still their inside man and they'd still have to build that hyperspace bypass.
* One thing that bugs me: this episode is before Justice League Unlimited. What happened to the other heroes? Where are Vixen, Black Canary, Red Tornado, and the others? Why aren't they trying to stop the Justice Lords? Were they killed for their defiance?
* J'onn mentions that martians not only don't, but CAN'T read each other's minds, most likely put there as a HandWave as to why J'onn didn't read the alternate's mind, discover the Lords' plan, and the League thus refuse to go to the alternate dimension. However this makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. This is simply because martians would have had no reason to ever evolve the ability to read minds if they can't read each other's minds, and even if they did because of some evolutionary fluke, they'd have no reason to practice reading minds and thus maintain the ability to use it.
** Almost none of any fictional species' abilities and traits make no sense under scrutiny of how they would have evolved. Its not really something a creator should have to worry about if they can tell a unique story and have creative powers.
** There has to be some sort of binding logic behind everything in fiction or the suspension of disbelief would fail. There has to be a reason why the ability that a fictional species has exists, or ithe medium starts to devolve into nonsense.
*** Not really. And if you have a problem with J'onn's ability, then you certainly must think Superman's is nonsense, because his species evolved the ability to gain power from a type of radiation that doesn't even exist in their star system. And yet he's the classic, definitive superhero.
*** Actually I find Superman's abilities less crazy than J'onn's. It really doesn't make sense why Martians developed telepathy when it serves no practical use to them. Though perhaps in the distant past it served some use, perhaps it was too dangerous to speak. Kryptonians however just happen to react extremely well to different kind of radiation. It's entirely random making no less sense than any of the other dozens of heroes who gained super powers via radiation, toxic goo or DNA scrambled animals.
*** Perhaps the bit that Martians can't read other Martian's mind was not meant to be absolute: they may not do it with just any random martian, but only with martians with whom they have some special link... like, for example, husband and wife. It may even be a mating feature, available only between male and female (male and female martians, that is; humans and other non-martians are something else, easier to read). Remember the context as well. If he began to say something like "I can't read his mind because he's a male, and wouldn't do it even if I could because in our race the unwilling reading of minds is taboo", it would go too much off-topic, with the alternate universe Martian telling about the grave danger and what not. So, to tell Batman "Both" is akin to say "I will not read his mind, period, now get lost".
** One possible explanation: Once the first glimmerings of telepathic ability developed, an evolutionary LensmanArmsRace started between ability to probe others' minds and ability to detect and/or resist probing. The end result would be Martians who could read other species' minds fairly easily (since they didn't develop such telepathic defenses), but have difficulties reading each other without consent (even setting aside cultural/ethical qualms about doing so). Even with those limitations, the power would still be useful within Martian civilization (for communicating with a consenting partner on a deeper level than speech), so it wouldn't become a useless vestige and die out.
** It is the consideration of some that telepathic communication is a different thing from reading minds. This means that reading Justice Lord's J'onn without his knowledge and consent would be both something he can't and won't do, while normal speaking to each others' minds is a perfectly normal and acceptable thing. Considering the fact that Batman is trying to verify the story, it implies that he is asking J'onn to "invade" the other martian's mind. J'onn, being telepathic, knows what Batman means. Telepathy is still a practical, quick, and effective means of communication, but not of invading someones' privacy or similar things. It also implies that martians can't mindwipe other martians and so forth.
** Yes, the best explanation is that, if Martians have the ability to read minds, they also have the ability to protect their own minds from others. Make sense that a telepath can’t read another telepath’s mind without consent.
*** If that's the case, then J'onn is a fool for not trying to read Lord!J'onn mind and then asking him why he was blocking him if he had nothing to hide from them.
** Martians having mental defenses against other Martians could also be the reason why Lord J'onn was the one sent to lure the League in with the "dimensional collapse" story, rather than one of the others -- if the story had been true, Lord Green Lantern (most familiar of the group with wide-ranging "cosmic" matters) or Lord Batman ({{the smart guy}} of the group) would seem more logical choices.
** Didn't Mars have other native life forms? I assumed that was the basis for J'onn's shapeshifting; he takes the form of Martian monsters. An organism that can nonviolently pacify or read the intentions of a predator using telepathy would have a pretty enormous evolutionary advantage. From there it stands to reason that the telepathy they developed to counter external threats could be used to thwart invasive mind reading from one another.
* Explain functions of the power draining gun. I can understand it depowering Flash and Lantern. But Supes, Wondy, Hawkgirl (her flight) and Jones technically aren't superpowered. Their abilities are apart of their species' natural attributes
** Superman's powers aren't natural. Kryptonians all seem to have the same reaction to being exposed to yellow sun radiation instead of developing random powers like seems to happen most of the time when comic book characters are exposed to radiation but that doesn't make it natural. Beyond that it doesn't make a terrible amount of sense unless the gun doesn't actually drain powers instead of "giving" them powers identical to a regular human being and overwriting their own individual physiology. It's also the best answer for why it works on five different characters who are in order mutated by a freak accident, powered by solar radiation, created by a literal goddess, and two breeds of aliens with natural abilities. No single fix should affect such a broad group of individuals.
** From a Doylist perspective it's easy: the gun takes away any powers that "normal" people don't have in ''our'' reality. In-universe it's harder to justify; taking a detour through WildMassGuessing territory, the best explanation I could come up with would be that it actually slaps the target with a specialized but powerful ''mind control'' effect -- hammering the "realization" that they've lost their powers after that hit straight into their subconscious. Which then of course everybody who actually knows how the gun works is very, very careful to not let accidentally slip since it means that the "power drain" is actually largely a ''bluff'' and any victim who realizes that might find a way to regain access to them by breaking through that enforced conditioning.
** Actually I was thinking the opposite; how does the ray works with Green Lantern? His powers come from the ring, he is like Batman, has no superpowers, his abilities are provided by technology (albeit a very advance one). It is possible to, for example, modify Superman’s cells for them not to absorb power from the yellow sun, also modify J’onn’s organisms for not to be able to change or read minds and Wonder Woman’s flying and superstrength although magical can also be altered by physics, but Green Lantern’s ring? Yes, lets suppose the ring gets deactivated somehow, couldn’t he just request the Guardians for a new one?
** The issue is Green Lantern's ability to ''activate and control'' the power of the ring. That can be disrupted (as it was in "Hearts and Minds"), leaving him unable to use the ring. After Lord Green Lantern got zapped, he tried to use the ring and produced some random flickers of green light, suggesting that there's still some power there but he can't do anything useful with it.
* I understand it's a plot point but... how come the Lords' Luthor stated that he can only be prevented from pushing a button by deadly force? For starters, the gap between his thumb and the button seems to be enough for Supes to place his palm between the two, and I really doubt Lex would have been able to push it away.
** The button is symbolic, he is the president and he can order the use of nuclear weapons even if he doesn’t push the button literally.
* Why did Superman leave Luthor in charge of depowering the Justice Lords! Why didn't he do it himself after he and Luthor assembled the gun?
* What would it take to convince Batman that the world is better under the absolute control of the Justice League? He managed to make a good argument to the main universe's Batman but that probably came after years of seeing the progress the Lords thought they had made and thinking their way was the only way. How would a Batman with no real temperment towards autocracy come to adopt it?
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[[folder: "The Savage Time"]]
* Something that has bugged me about "The Savage Time" is this: All Earth, post-WWII, has been completely changed, so it makes sense that Batman is radically changed and the Flash doesn't exist. Perhaps Wonder Woman never left Themiscyra. But what about other heroes who span worlds? Perhaps J'onn was never revived by astronauts, so maybe the Imperium never invaded, but what about Hawkgirl, who would have been sent to Earth anyway (Earthly politics aside, the Gordanians would still be fighting the Thanagarians), Superman (since Krypton would still have been destroyed), and Green Lantern (it might not be Jon Stewart, but Earth would still fall under the Guardian's protection - they would have sent a Green Lantern of some sort in). Also, what about the villains? Grundy should still have existed in this timeline, as his origin took place before WWII, and Etrigan and Morgan Le Fay should still have been fighting it out. Brainiac should have still come to Earth in search of assimilating all knowledge and then destroying it, and Aquaman should have still been in his palace in Atlantis. Gorilla City should have been encountered in its hiding place in Africa, and Icthulthu should have tried to overrun the Earth with its monsters. Basically, I really like the episode "The Savage Time", but this has always bugged me.
** Earth really wasn't too aware of the Green Lantern Corps until Hal Jordan became a "public" GL; in the DCAU/this timeline, it's possible GL simply never went public on Earth. With no League, Hawkgirl could simply never have become a superhero and just played the role of a spy. The last place Jor-El would want to send baby Kal is Savage's Earth, and the villains...well, they don't appear in every episode, so it could be as simple as "the ones who exist just failed to make an appearance in this episode."
*** Two more possibilities for Hawk Girl. 1. Since Savage (ha ha ha) Earth appears to have a higher standard tech level than Earth, it may have been possible the Thangarians called it off as soon as they learned Earth wouldn't be as easy pickings. By the present, ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} had tried to take over Earth only was stopped by Superman. If the people of Earth could hold back a GodOfEvil, the Thangarians may never of made the plan to begin with. 2. Hawkgirl was found and... well... if you know what the Nazi's did to the Jews, just think what would of happened if they got there hands on an [[FridgeHorror ALIEN]].
** Touché. That does make sense, and considering how powerful Savage's tech was (being able to give the League a run for their money in WWII, and undoubtedly advancing since then) it seems at least plausible that he could have fought off the various alien invasions.
*** FridgeLogic: Doesn't that actually make Savage's Earth a ''better'' place than the mainstream DCAU, at least in some ways? In the show-as-is the world basically has to rely on a handful of more or less well-adjusted supermen narrowly averting the regularly attacking supervillains and hostile alien empires; here, the government apparently has the resources to deal with the threats of the week themselves. And given the sci-fi technology, it's a pretty sure bet the general standard of living is also higher. Of course, a quasi-fascist government (even a bowdlerized one) probably isn't a very nice one to have, but still ...
** Regarding the villians (or at least the ones from Earth), it's simply possible that they didn't show up because they weren't alive in this universe. The only reason they lived in the normal timeline was because the Justice League simply threw them back in jail every time. Considering how compassionate the Nazi system of justice was, it's likely that any criminal that caused any public disturbance would be killed on the spot (feasible since what's in this universe 60 year old technology could contend with the Justice League) and anyone associated or even close to them would be quickly and thoroughly vaporized.
* A much simpler question: how in the ''flying blue hell'' did they get ''forward'' in time?
** You meant ''back''? For if we're to believe Planetary on that one, you can go back in time ONLY till the point of turning on the Time-machine. Which however doesn't explain how that guy managed to move through time at will with no problem =/
* Another one from the same episode: if Savage thought the best way to dominate the world was rising to power during WWII, ''why did he choose the side that lost the war?'' I mean, a coup in the USSR seems just as feasible as one in Nazi Germany, and even without altering history they already controlles half of europe by the end of the war. And even if it had to be the Nazis, why did it have to be ''at the worst possible moment in the war?'' Is time travel so expensive that sending a laptop to 1940 was so harder than sending one to 1944?
** Because he needed to be on a side that was ''trying'' for world domination, and that he could successfully take over. The leadership of the US and England at that time was more or less beyond reproach, so he couldn't have just had himself elected, while Hitler was the subject of several assassination and coup attempts. Also, even if he ''had'' gotten control of the US or England, he probably wasn't going to be able to convince either country to go ahead with the world domination thing. As to it popping out in 1944, maybe that's as far back as Savage could go with the time machine at that point.
*** Again, why not the USSR? They won the war too, after all. And it wouldn't be too hard to imagine a coup against Stalin succeeding right after the first German victories.
*** One, the Nazi ideology is much more in line with Savage's inclinations than the Communist. Two, Stalin was more paranoid than Hitler, and less easy to manipulate.
*** Three, Savage knows the USSR was destined to eventually collapse due to the inherent economic fallacies of Marxist Communism. Taking over the USSR would mean dramatically reforming their economic model to prevent that from happening, and presumably Savage wasn't interested in that.
*** Also, Savage needed to pick the side that was losing the war so they'd accept the help from "the man from the future" and not just laugh/lock him in an asylum.
*** The USSR was not destroyed by "the inherent economic fallacies of Marxist Communism" had it been that the USSR would have collapsed long before when it did, it was brought down through a mixture of political upheaval in the eastern bloc not helped by Gorbachev's botched reforms to allow more open political expression and economic turmoil caused by their massive investment of manpower and resources into arming themselves and their invasion of Afghanistan going tits up and costing massive amounts of money. All of these seem like things Savage could have prevented since they where mostly caused by poor leadership.
*** Yes, poor leadership ''caused by the inherent fallacies of Marxist Communism''. The political upheavals in the eastern bloc were caused in large part by extremely poor economic conditions resulting from the application of Marxist Communism, and their invasion of Afghanistan plus the nuclear arms race made things even worse. Savage could have taken over the USSR, but turning it into the world-dominating superpower he wanted it to be would have required a massive overhaul of their entire economic and political system. Nazism was much more suited to Savage's goal of world domination since it placed much stronger emphasis on the citizen's devotion to the State.
*** My guess is that Savage was on the side of the Nazi's already, most likely control over the Nazi's technology development, but wasn't in the position to take over power (he is immortal, and he may have been smart, but he just didn't have the tech to work with). That was, until his future self sent him the laptop containing all the tech, all the future knowledge of invasions/military movements, and where the enemy would be the weakest), that is the bargaining chip he needed to take power.
*** The mainstream Savage was a founding member of the Nazi Party, he picked their side because he openly supported it.
*** About the USSR and the ''"fallacies of Marxist Communism"'' he could just do what China did, you know? China is still a Marxist Communist country and its economy is pretty well and healthy and even the USA owes them money. China will probably surpass the USA as the main world power even with the terrible ''"fallacies of Marxist Communism"'' that they still follow. Savage could just make the same kind of economic reforms in the USSR than others did in China, with success. The real reason is that he despises Socialism because he doesn’t believe in the idea that everyone is equal and so the reason for choosing Fascist Germany is logic; Fascism is much more in tune with his personal ideology.
* Another question from that episode: Savage's time machine can't take you back to a time when you already existed. Martian Manhunter is almost a thousand years old, according to Secret Origins. How did he go back in time with the others?
** And Diana! Even if her origin has her in Themyscira until the 90's or whenever, she was still around back then.
** Perhaps they meant that you can't travel to a place where you were at that point in the past. For example, he couldn't have traveled back in time to Mars but since he wasn't on earth during WWII it wouldn't cause problems.
** Maybe I missed it but when was that rule actually stated in the episode?
*** It was stated in "Hereafter Pt. 2" with the future Savage explaining why he can't go back in time with Superman. Since the machine was built AfterTheEnd, it might not have been as advanced as the one he used in "Savage Time".
* What kind of escape vehicle is a subway train? All they should have to do it follow the tracks to find Bat's hideout.
** Subway tracks do merge in places. Bats would only have to go through a few forks in the road and have his own hidden private track to make that escape work.
* I don't know how this hasn't been mentioned yet: All that future technology. Germany still has factories producing the stuff, and while the ending handwaved an explanation for why they'd still lose the war in spite of it, history has been irrevocably changed in a major way. The Americans and Soviets aren't going to turn a blind eye to all that advanced technology...we certainly didn't in 1945. (think Oppenheimer and the space race) You would think the 1950s and early 1960s would be around the time they caught up with the early 2000s, and the early 2000s would have flying cars and other technology from Batman Beyond. Don't tell me that our heroes destroyed all the factories producing that stuff either. There would be notebooks, recordings, the minds of scientists all capable of rebuilding what they destroyed after they're gone.
** That was explained in JLU, the Blackhawks helped clean up all the "weird sci-fi type weapons" and stashed all of it on an island.
* Where did Savage get all the resources to built war machines? Even if he had the specifications - building all of that should require large investments and that's not taking into account training of engineers and similar things.
** Dude's been around for 10,000 years. He's been a conqueror and general high-roller in society since such things existed. He's got plenty of cash, and don't underestimate the wonders of compound interest.
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[[folder: "Only A Dream"]]
* Why was Wonder Woman the only one not present? I know that, in the majority of the episodes, one or two members of the league are missing from action, but Dr. Destiny held a grudge against ''all'' of the League members because he was captured by them when they were investigating one of Luthor's schemes and was arrested for harboring weapons. He even stated to Batman that he had a problem with the others because their powers gave them such a huge advantage over those without them and that they ruin the lives of normal people without realizing it, so you'd think he'd definitely target her as well. Hell, when Batman was attempting to contact the others at the end of the first part, he made no attempt to contact Wonder Woman... So... Was she just not there when Dr. Destiny got caught and therefore he didn't think of her or what? Did he simply forget about her? Was she protected by the gods? I'm not all to familiar with Wonder Woman's story outside the JL/JLU, so, correct me if I'm wrong, but she has no reason to leave Earth or enter a different dimension, does she?
** Maybe he tried to attack her but failed becaue she has no primal fear like the rest of them. Or maybe she was immune to his power because it was a lie and she had latent truth powers?
** Or maybe, since her lasso/braclets/etc give her her powers, and this has been shown in-verse, he just didn't think to grab her, because she's relatively non-powered with her stuff?
*** She's still a FlyingBrick without them though, right?
*** Yes, WW can fly and possesses super strength at a level just a bit below Superman, lasso and bracelets or not.
*** Her endurance (in this continuity) is nowhere near his though. I do remember an early episode of JLU where Superman is trapped in the Fortress of Solitude in a catatonic state thanks to some kind of parasitic plant sent by Mongul. His only hope to defend him from the advancing Mongul were Batman and Wonder Woman - and she gets possibly one of her worst beatings of the series; she couldn't even stand up under her own strength. Superman, once freed by Batman, had a ridiculously better fight than she did.
*** Batman's completely non-powered without his stuff, and Destiny went after him. Maybe it's just that her magical nature granted her resistance to the technologically-granted dream-invasion powers. Or Amazon training includes psychic defense techniques.
*** On multiple occasions Superman and GL were literally in another solar system. Maybe Wonder Woman was just "out of range" and Supes already knew about it.
* Another thing that bugs me about "Only A Dream" is that Dr. Destiny was able to locate the league members rather easily while J'onn experienced some serious problems in the two part episode just before. Did Dr. Destiny just develop much better psychic abilities than J'onn?
** Wasn't that the point? Dr. Destiny explicitly said "You're good...but I'm better!"
** Think of it more as Physic Rock, Paper, Scissors. Destiny trumps J'onn, who trumps everyone else.
** That is true, but while does seem that Dr. Destiny is more powerful than J'onn, the fact is that J'onn is a ''lot'' more experienced. Someone like Morgan Le Fey trumping him is fair enough, as she not only has vast magical abilities, but centuries of experience (and even then, he was able to overcome it), but some rube who's just got his hands on his powers? Unlikely!
** Destiny's powers are not the same as J'onn's. J'onn has traditional telepathy. Destiny's specific power is to invade people's dreams while they sleep. So really it's impossible to say which of the two is the more powerful psychic because their powers are fundamentally different.
*** Also recall that Destiny wasn't trying to find out where they were, physically. He didn't need to. Furthermore, remember that the ESP machine gave him some degree of remote perception or something the first time on-screen that he was under it. It's not implausible that he had that ability as well.
* Green Lantern outright questions why anyone would have an ESP-granting machine in a prison and the warden's only reply is 'where else would you get volunteers?' Did he ever consider ''anywhere else on Earth''? There are still ESP experiments being performed today in real life long after mainstream science has given up on the idea, these people live in a world where telepaths are ''real'' and publicly known. The doctor could have set up shop anywhere and he probably would have had at least a dozen volunteers in a week. That's not even getting into how stupid it is to give a criminal psychic powers. Even if the powers are supposed to be temporary and even if the prisoner is a model of rehabilitation you generally don't want to give someone ideas about reading minds while surrounded by other criminals. Seems like they would just be surrounded by bad influences.
** The ESP experiments that are performed today are, "See if people actually have it." The machine in the prison was, "Mess around ''with your brain'' and try and give you ESP." People tend to get a little touchy about things that rearrange their brains.
*** If that was the stumbling point then why would the inmates agree to be part of the experiment? There's no mention of them being paid or the time spent in the program helping them at parole hearings. Just because they're in prison doesn't mean they're going to randomly sign up for an experiment that no one outside would consider. Heck, they could have just done it under military or intelligence auspices.
*** The comment 2 above has it, the ESP machine is a potentially dangerous technology that could possibly scramble a person's brain, no sane person would take the risk. The prisoners on the other hand have little to lose and I wouldn't doubt they're given incentives to participate.
*** Well, assuming that first response was correct they have nothing to lose except their ''minds'' and possibly ''lives''. Also we are never told of ''anything'' that would an incentive, nor (assuming that these tests might be harmful to the human body) what ethics board would permit them. You can't just assume something exists.
*** Upwards of 70% of prisoners in real-world jails have nothing to do all day except three plates of food and an hour or two of work-out time. Things like books to read and paper for letter-writing are ''privileges'' that can be lost for bad behavior. Compared to that, prisoners participating in "ESP Research" would get probably get private cells, better food, something to fill the time, and a slim chance at superpowers. Many would do it just to relieve the boredom.
*** Also, Cadmus is implied to have been conceptualized after the events of Legacy, the idea that a force would be needed to stop a superhero gone rogue. It's possible this project had ties to Cadmus. Find out if it works and what damage it could potentially do to the subjects by using it on inmates, and if it works, then Cadmus could use it on their own people. After all, they weren't above taking children and raising them in training camps.

[[folder: "In Blackest Night"]]
* The whole, "if a lawyer will lose the case, he will share his client's fate” thing. Why? Why somebody has to suffer or be killed for trying to make sure that innocent person will not be punished for somebody's else crime? I just don't get it, I don't see any reason for this law to exist.
** I think it was a dark joke about how lawyers are viewed as corrupt and willing to represent anyone for the right price. It's been awhile since I've seen it but don't the judges say they fixed their lawyer problem? Getting killed with your client would prevent most lawyers from trying to profit since the risk would be so high.
** I guess the logic is that no one would ever choose to defend a guilty person because they wouldn't want to risk sharing their client's fate. Ideally this means that guilty people are more likely to get convicted because they won't have a lawyer to help them exploit legal loopholes and technicalities. To the judges' minds this equals a fair justice system. To anyone else, not so much. In real-life this would mean that anyone who wasn't able to get legal representation would be instantly perceived as guilty and anyone who could get representation would be instantly perceived as innocent. You could be innocent as a newborn babe but get shafted because you couldn't afford a lawyer, or be guilty as sin and get off scott free because you were blind stinking rich and you offered enough money to tempt even the most craven attorney into defending you.
*** It wasn't just a joke on the cynicism of lawyers in general but also lawyers who represent clients charged with high-profile crimes like terrorism or mass-murder: the idea being that most defendants charged with such crimes are guilty, therefore any attorney who takes their case must be especially amoral and rely on underhanded tactics and dirty tricks to get their client off.
* "In Blackest Night" had a much, ''much'' bigger problem than Adjuris 5's legal system. The villains trick everyone into thinking that Green Lantern accidentally destroyed Adjuris 4 by projecting a holographic illusion of a rubble field over the planet's location. We are told that ''three billion sentient beings'' were on Adjuris 4 when it was "destroyed." Did ''no one'' think to search for survivors? Did no one try to call one of these three billion sentient beings on the radio, to see if they survived? Did none of the these three billion sentient beings try to call anybody on Adjuris 5 to ask "Hey, what's this big hologram doing in our sky?" Even if the inhabitants of Adjuris 4 were blissfully unaware of the ruse being perpetrated upon them, did none of them have friends or family or business associates on Adjuris 5 that they called on a regular basis, or have an off-planet vacation trip scheduled?
** Another problem is the fact that the first two people who noticed that there is something wrong with the whole scenario due to the fact that the moon of Adjuris 4 continued to revolve in its current orbit is Superman and Martian Manhunter. While it does made both of them look smart it raises an important question. Are there no physicist in space or did the people [[InsufficientlyAdvancedAlien have no concept of gravity despite being a space-faring civilization]] that ''no one'' noticed anything wrong with that prior to the Justice League investigating it?
** And for that matter, why was John even considered at fault in the first place? He was just doing his duty as a protector of the universe--admittedly as a vigilante in the eyes of the inhabitants of Adjuris 4 since, presumably, they were unaware of the Guardians or didn't acknowledge them--and had all but apprehended the pirate used against him as a witness when the guy's allies showed up and attacked him, unprovoked, and John simply defended himself: it's not his fault that his beam attack bounced off one of the ships and apparently hit the planet, destroying it. The ''pirates'' should be the ones being prosecuted, not John, since the whole thing wouldn't have happened at all if they hadn't attacked him. Granted, it was a massive conspiracy by the Manhunters, but still--was the ''entire "legal" system'' of Adjuris 4 in on it?! Why even go through with their kangaroo court if that were the case!?
* A real problem was the Green Lanterns, John included. First they act as though he's Sinestro due to an ''accident'' that occurs during his duties. Then they, with the exception of Kilowog, bad mouth him for ''doing his job''! And here's where John comes in, when he's found innocent ''he's'' angry with ''them'' for not supporting him when he himself thought he was guilty! Not a lot loyalty in the ranks.
** I think the idea there was that John realized how much the League went through to prove that he was innocent; it kind of woke him up and helped him see who his real friends were and who didn't have his back. So accordingly, he was angry with the Green Lanterns for abandoning him; whereas even while he was down on himself, the League never stopped trusting in him.
*** That doesn't seem like a great condemnation of the Green Lanterns. Admittedly their investigation was so pathetic that in the U.S. a lawyer could probably rip the case apart based purely on that, but any law enforcement agency should not be operating under an assumption that a member couldn't have committed a crime. That attitude encourages them to see anyone making accusations as the enemy.
* Here's another one. Planets exist several light-minutes apart. Even a signal between the Earth and the Moon takes a few seconds. There's no time-lag when Hawkgirl smashes the illusion generator. Though it would have been funny watching the bailiffs trying to 'remove' Superman and J'onn during that time lag.
* Why did Superman and the others wait until Superman arrived at the court and yelled "John's innocent!" to destroy the illusion generator? And he arrived just in the nick of time, imagine if he had arrived a minute later. John and the Flash would died just because they needlessly delayed the reveal!
* My big question is why John seemed so resigned to the whole thing. John seems completely convinced that he's guilty of blowing up a planet. He doesn't describe the events himself from his perspective or do anything to defend himself at all. As far as I can tell, John seems to look up at the remains of the planet and go "the planet is gone, that means I did it" rather than "I admit I accidentally shot the planet and blew it up." Did they actually somehow manage to trick him into thinking he blew up a planet? If they had, why wouldn't someone like John have turned himself in rather than waiting for the Manhunters to show up?
** I always saw it as John feeling so immensely guilty for what he did that he didn’t even bother to question it. Think about it from his perspective, you’re a former Marine given a tool of near godlike power for the sake of defending peace and Justice across the Galaxy, if not the universe. As a result of YOUR actions, a planet full of innocent people, 3 BILLION people, is destroyed because you were too careless with your immensely powerful weapon. It’s likely that he was in such shock and despair that he didn’t even question it, and the guilt from that destruction and death made him want to face punishment, not to mention his own belief that the guilty should be brought to Justice. As for why he was walking in his home neighborhood rather than turn himself in, I always saw it as him spending his last days home before he’s taken to face his fate.

[[folder: "Destroyer"]]
* Okay, we all remember Superman's "cardboard" speech, and yes it was awesome. But there, he claims to be going all out against Darkseid for the first time. Then why didn't he mop the floor with Darkseid in "Twilight"? It was obvious he was going to kill Darkseid if Batman hadn't interfered, so why didn't he use his true power there?
** Because he didn't think he needed it. Darkseid in the final episode was, as he mentioned, more powerful than he had been before, and previous to Twilight, Superman had ''already'' beaten him in a one-on-one fight (See his own series finale), so it stands to reason Supes would've believed he could still beat him at 'normal' in Twilight. So the progression goes: Legacy [Superman fighting at normal to beat Darkseid]--> Twilight [Superman fighting at normal, perhaps a bit above, to ''kill'' Darkseid]--> Destroyer [Superman going all out]
** However, the Legacy fight gave the impression that Supes ''was'' going all out and was barely holding his own until he figured out how to turn the Omega Beams back on Darkseid. Maybe [[HandWave Supes just absorbed more yellow sunlight and got more powerful himself]] (I honestly have no idea if that works out, but it was the first thing that sprang to mind)?
** Actually, the yellow sunlight thing makes sense. In the episode with Dr. Destiny, in his nightmare Superman remarks about how he started out with no power and how he keeps getting more and more. This would seem to imply that the longer he stays under a yellow sun the more powerful he becomes. So there could indeed be a significant power differential in Superman's levels between the two fights.
*** The fact that Superman gets more and more powerful is indeed pretty much confirmed in-universe : for instance, in the first STAS episode, he struggles really hard to catch a falling plane, letting it cause much destruction before stopping it ; by contrast, in the JLU episode where he fights Captain Marvel, he catches a (bigger-looking) falling plane without breaking a sweat, even having no problem chatting with the Martian Manhunter at the same time.
** There's also something to be said for Superman's fighting style (or lack thereof). In basically every fight Superman starts out holding back and only uses "real" force only after taking a serious beating. After two rounds with Darksied already, Superman just decided to come out of the gate swinging rather than wait until he's bloody and disoriented. Hence the awesome speech.
*** Thing is he let himself get pounded up to that point even though he already knew he'd need all his strength. The idea supes holds back explains most of his smack downs but not all. The battle against Doomsday for example.
* There's a huge war against the forces of Darkseid. Where are Mr. Miracle, Big Barda, and Orion? They've appeared previously on JLU, why not here?
** I would assume they were off-planet at the time and didn't know about Darkseid's invasion of Earth. The battle seemed to take place over a short enough time that the New Gods may not have found out about it until it was already over.
*** Orion '''''is''''' present, much to the chagrin of the producers. At the end of ''Alive'', when Luthor arrives and mentions that they have a problem Orion is standing right behind Superman in plain view...[[RetGone and then he disappears from the exact same shot and scene in]] ''Destroyer''. DVD commentary clears it up: The writers knew that if Orion had been present it would have ''had'' to come down to a fight between him and Darkseid. Their conflict has been one of the driving forces of the ComicBook/NewGods story going back to S:TAS, if he had been here there would have been no excuse to not have him be at least the warm-up fight, and the writers didn't want that. Their goal was for this episode, and particular those scenes, to be about the primary League members and, especially, Superman vs Darkseid. They made this realization after making ''Alive'' (Where Orion appeared) so they just had him vanish from the scene in ''Destroyer''. As for the absence of Big Barda and Mr. Miracle, technically they were never in the League at all. Flimsy, I know, especially since we got a scene of Hawkman and he was also never in the League, but for that I don't know of any WordOfGod.
*** Point of fact, Hawkman may not have been a full member, but he was an auxilliary member, as mentioned in one of his spotlight episodes.
*** Actually, no he wasn't. He was an independent hero who sometimes crossed paths with the League. This was made fairly clear in the second episode he appears in, he shows up pursuing Gentleman Ghost who Lantern was also pursuing(and fighting him alone, initially), then aids Lantern(who was not expecting his aid), then departs separately once the fight is over while telling GL to "Tell Shayera I said hello". GL then complains to Shayera on the Watchtower that "I ran into your boyfriend again". Then if you notice in Destroyer, every JL member who was shown on earth is shown suiting up, then being teleported to the battle sites, including flyers like Fire, Stargirl and Stripe. Yet when it shows Hawkman, it shows him ing up then flying off under his own power(with no battle visible outside the window he left from), and never being picked up via teleporter. I assume he was shown either because one of the creative team was a Hawkman fan and wanted to get him into the episode, or because it was a deliberate effort on their part to show that even NON-League heroes (Hawkman and Huntress being 2 we see in universe) were fighting as well.
* When Darkseid was holding Superman by the neck during their battle, they were looking each other in the eyes. Why didn't Superman [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just use his heat vision]] [[EyeScream to melt out Darkseid's eyes]]? I'd love to see the Tiger-Force of the universe try to vaporize anyone when he can't even see.
** Aside from being far too gory, even pissed off "will absolutely murder you" Superman is a far cry from the unhinged Lord Superman. Mongul, who Superman was willing to attack in such a fashion, got a burn somewhere it wouldn't be immediately fatal. Darkseid is a step up on the list, but Superman is still going to wince about frying the dude's eyeballs.
*** Real Superman tried it against Doomsday in 'The Doomsday Sanction'. So clearly he's not entirely above it. Though Doomsday was beating him like a ragdoll while Doomsday was still mostly gloating and Superman clearly had far more left in the tank here. But Darkseid is ultimately a much bigger threat to the world and universe than Doomsday. Darkseid has armies and will conquer worlds (plural) and will actively hunt and enslave people. Doomsday has no way to leave Earth and doesn't seem smart or patient enough to force someone to build him a ship. His only purpose is to kill Superman so even if he went on killing after finishing off Superman instead of wandering out into the desert with no purpose at all he's still more like a hurricane that may strike your town at any time and kill hundreds, maybe thousands of people than Darksied who is deliberately malicious.
** A better question would be why Darkseid didn't do it to Superman. Superman may not cruel enough, but Darkseid sure as hell is.
* Right before Superman's infamous World of Cardboard Speech, Batman tackles Darkseid from behind... and Darkseid is knocked slightly off balance. Why? If Darksied is so strong that it takes Superman going all out to stop him, shouldn't Batman have just bounced off Darksied's back?
** Because weight and inertia are still things. Darkseid is strong, but we don't know what his actual mass is. If Batman can catch Superman off-guard and judo toss him across the room, then Darkseid can be knocked slightly off balance when something he wasn't expecting leaps onto his back.

[[folder: Aquaman's super-balance]]
* In the episode "Ultimatium", where the Justice League meets the CaptainErsatz {{WesternAnimation/Superfriends}}, Aquaman gets a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome when the "WonderTwin" Downpour hits him with a few thousand gallons of water at full force. Aquaman shrugs and says: "King of the Seas, remember?". So how does Aquaman get the "super-sticky feet" power required to get hit with that much water and remain standing? I understand that he can understand a lot of water pressure on his body, but this was a force lateral to his center of gravity. If I were to smack Queen Elizabeth II with a lintel piece from Stonehenge, would she shrug it off saying: "Queen of England, remember?"? Or is it just RuleOfCool?
** Aquaman has aquakinesis powers. He probably diverted the vast majority of the water pressure around himself.
** His body is designed to be strong enough to swim against high-pressure tides and such, so a burst of water from an aquakinetic can't phase him any more than the crashing waves of the sea.
*** Except a mere 5 minutes before a blast of water from Downpour sent him flying. Maybe it's an injoke to some of the ridiculousness of Superfriends.
*** Because he thrust his chest out at it. Ie, he's prepared for it.
** Cartoon physics.

[[folder: "Epilogue"]]
* The idea that Batman is a matter of being InTheBlood goes against the very core of Batman's mythos: Batman is a self-made hero, an ordinary man whose life did not bestow upon him any special powers or other fantastical elements that would differentiate him from others. Instead, he chose to be a hero, and uses human training, detective smarts and high-tech weaponry to facilitate his war on crime. The idea that a reasonably-intelligent individual such as Amanda Waller (especially considering how much she'd have to know about genetics from her involvement with Cadmus) would think that LamarckWasRight is rather mind-boggling. And let's not even touch how Terry was expected to become Batman without ever meeting Bruce Wayne.
** Waller was trying to recreate Batman in all ways, and being ''extremely'' savvy about it. Bruce Wayne's phenotype clearly helped; she knew there was nothing in his genes ''preventing'' the physical development of Batman, and what was there worked well for a strong, agile, durable man. Also, remember that Bruce has a habit of taking in youngsters whose parents are killed right in front of them, ''and'' Terry's father worked for Wayne-Powers, which gives him that connection. Waller may have [[BatmanGambit expected/intended for Wayne to take on Terry as a ward]], as he did for Tim and Dick before, and let it run its natural course. If history has shown us anything in comics, it's that if you are a young man in the Wayne household for any stretch of time, you ''will'' accidentally find the Batcave and find yourself wearing a super suit in short order.
*** But Waller never anticipated the two of them meeting each-other and even if she did, it's still a GambitRoulette that discounts the possibility of just walking up to Bruce and suggesting that he train a replacement.
*** Again: Terry's dad worked for Wayne-Powers. You think Bruce isn't going to hear about one of his employees and his wife being murdered and leaving an 8-year-old orphan boy behind?
** I'm pretty sure that Terry's parents were selected to be personality/behavior matches for Bruce's parents. She did not just pick a random couple and hope for the best; so she had nature and nurture pretty much covered.
*** The above was actually confirmed in-universe; Waller explicitly states that she was looking for a couple that fit the psychological profile of Thomas and Martha Wayne. Remember, Waller was being ''very'' savvy, and had been around Cadmus enough to take psychology into account.
** I doubt that Waller's plan was as simple as 1. Screw with DNA, 2. Murder Parents, 3. ??? 4. BATMAN!. Given how much effort she'd put into it, and was willing to put into it, it's probably safe to say there were steps in the plan post parent-murder to nudge/guide/shove him toward being Batman. But since the plan was derailed at that second step and then abandoned, Waller just didn't bother to tell Terry what the rest of her plan was because it was irrelevant. If step 2 of your plan is where it fell apart, no sense in summing up steps 3-10.\\\
As to why not just talking to Bruce? He's just not the sort of guy you can talk into things like that. He's stubborn. Plus, after the thing with Drake, he would be understandably opposed to training another kid like that.
** It's not LamarckWasRight, Bruce Wayne was obviously well suited from a genetic standpoint to be Batman. Look at his height, physical build, good looks, and intelligence; ''these are all things that are determined in large part before you are even born''. They are like base stats; sure, you can get some bonuses by training, but you are not gonna be able to completely remake your body and mind as if they are made out of legos.
*** Bruce Wayne's heart problems suggest his genes are inferior. Men who work out and exercise generally experience far less age-related physical decline than their peers. Given the sheer amount of effort and training he put into being Batman, he should have been in better shape even in his 50's and 60's than men half his age, unless there were other factors predisposing him to a weak heart.
*** Batman is fictional character. His heart problems has nothing to do with problems per se. In "real life" genetics pre-determine of what you are on 93%. Without appropriate genetics, no matter how much person exercise, they won't be able to achieve certain results more, than they actually can without suited for that purpose genes. Person is born smart or dumb. Person born strong or weak. Everywhere is genetics and absolutely nothing else. Will to train is also part of genetics respectively. Batman as fictional character not bound by actuality.
*** Bruce Wayne didn't just "work out and exercise", he overexerted himself almost constantly for the majority of his adult life. It has little, if anything, to do with genes, and more to do with burning himself out doing constant all-nighters, and keeping up with literal superhumans, and getting knocked around, quite frequently, by same. Batman or not, he's only human.
*** "It has little, if anything, to do with genes". That could be true, except, it is not. Explanation will be in next sentence. "and more to do with burning himself out doing constant all-nighters". "Burning himself out" and "doing constant all-nighters" both are bacically will and determination that comes from genetics. To build muscle mass, person need appropriate genes. Saying that genetics don't play or almost don't play a role in it, is just nonsense.
*** But he's still--Batman! You don't maintain your CharlesAtlasSuperpower figure by neglecting little things like your long term health and Batman being CrazyPrepared would keep up with regular checkups to ensure he was not chipping away at his own wellness. Granted, the events of ROTJ might have contributed to a long-downward spiral on his overall spiritual fortitude and Batman-ness but still; it's strange that he dismisses his heart problems as an absolute obstacle rather than just another challenge to overcome.
*** He did try to find ways to overcome it, one of those was the Mecha-Batsuit that ended up causing him even more heartstrain, the Suit that Terry wears is almost certainly a response itself to his health problems. Trouble is, even for Batman, there comes a point where the human body ''has'' to give way to age. There is a point where it ''is'' an absolute obstacle, and that is one that even Bruce couldn't outgambit.
*** I'm sure he had checkups and such, but a lifestyle like Bruce's is going to be "chipping away at his own wellness" no matter what he does. He's still human. He still ages. It's not like his heart just gave out when he was in his prime; look at the first scene in Rebirth, Part 1. Bruce is at least 20 years older than he was in his own series or Justice League (the woman he's rescuing is the full grown ''daughter'' of the woman he dated through a lot of his series), and he's ''still'' pushing himself as hard as he did while he was in his prime. That's going to wear on you; plus I believe he said the suit itself put strain on his heart.
*** For years Batman was fighting the Joker, the Scarecrow and Poison Ivy to name just some of the most prominent enemies that used chemicals. Think about what kind of hazardous gases and liquids he must have been exposed to at least once a month by them. Then there's the many hits from opponents who range from human levels of strength to near-Superman. On top of that is his tendency to not wait till he's fully healed before he gets into combat. Combine ''that'' with the incredible amount of stress he must be experiencing on a daily basis. The fact that he managed to survive long enough to retire and still help in Batman Beyond is a minor miracle.
*** He wasn't talking about the normal Batsuit there, but about the PoweredArmor one, but his health was not the entire reason for his quitting. The Problem was, that it forced him to use a gun to threaten a bad guy. Even if he had been fully healed the next day he would not have taken up the cape and cowl again, because he had violated his one rule, which made him unfit to be Batman in his own eyes.
*** The fact that he was alone toward the end (Alfred presumably dead, Dick gone independent as Nightwing, Tim retired from heroics after the events of ''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Return of the Joker]]'', Barbara going into normal police work) probably contributed, both by increasing his emotional dysfunctions and by depriving him of the people who might have been able to get through to him and convince him to take better care of himself.
** The episode actually mentions that she chose Terry's parents specifically because they matched the Waynes' psychological profiles. As for how she was planning to get Terry under Bruce's tutelage: it's possible that her plan was that after the [=McGinnises=] were assassinated, Waller would call in a favor with some local official to have Gotham's social services administration contact Bruce Wayne about taking in young Terry. Or it's possible that Waller was planning to literally bring Terry to Wayne Manor, and confess her role in the matter, not caring that Bruce would send her to jail, because in her view her job would already be done: Bruce wouldn't have the heart to send the orphan Terry away, and would end up raising him; Waller seems like the type who'd view her own potential arrest as a perfectly acceptable loss, in exchange for ensuring the continued legacy of Batman.
** Most of this can be explained by the fact that the episode incorporates story ideas from a planned sequel to ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker'' where Selina Kyle would have been the one who created Terry.

* If Ace had RealityWarper powers, why couldn't she just use them to get rid of her brain tumor?
** Maybe the tumors were somehow related to her powers? A RealityWarper warping their own brain that warps reality sounds like a very sketchy idea. Given that Ace could read minds and Batman would likely have thought of Ace using her powers to cure herself, it could be that trying it is exactly what would create the "Psychic Backlash" Waller warned Batman about. Plus, Ace was pretty much suicidal by that point anyway.
** Ace didn't ''have'' a brain tumor, she had an ''aneurysm''. That means one or more blood vessels inside her brain swelled up with blood and then ''ruptured''. And since using her powers is what caused it, using her powers on her brain to try and stop it would probably have only accelerated the damage.

[[folder: Who pays for this stuff?]]
* The Money. Where does it all come from? I know Bruce funded the original watch tower, sneaking away millions if not billions of dollars some how. But the new one? And enough Javelins to constitute an armada? Not to mention the staffing, maintenance and the wages necessary for something that brings in NO money at all!
** WAIT I got it; the cafeteria is '''really''' expensive.
** Batman isn't the only one with huge monetary resources assuming Green Arrow is owner of Queen Industries in the DCAU. Add to that, 50+ superheroes make appearances as part of the post Thanagarian Invasion Justice League either as secondary characters or via cameos. Some of them are extraterrestrial in origin and thus have access to alien technology and there is more than one [[ScienceHero super scientist]] among them. The Justice League could have used these various technologies in the Watchtower's construction. They could be making money off some the less dangerous and more replicable of their members' inventions and/or alien technology they may have brought back from off earth missions. It also helps to have guys who can lift several tons and reach escape velocity unaided, they don't have to pay for a shuttle to get the components in orbit. The Justice League works all across the globe and they've helped multiple governments with natural and man made disasters and lets not forget them saving the world on multiple occasions. Some governments or [[UnclePennybags wealthy civilians]] may sometimes show thanks by donating to the League.
*** Arrow is definitely rich. In one episode he mentions something about "Just selling a company for 3 billion dollars" then points out "After taxes and legal fees, it really only comes out to 1.5 billion".
*** Wonder Woman is the princess of Themyscira. Aquaman is King of Atlantis. They've both got access to riches they could dump on the League to help keep it going. Arthur alone probably could drop billions in sunken treasure or doubloons in the pot and not even feel it.

[[folder: The Future Justice League]]
* In the Batman Beyond episode "The Call", JLU episode "The Once and Future Thing", and the Static Shock episode "Future Shock" the Justice League is shown to apparently only consist of less than a dozen members. While its understandable that some members would have left for their own reasons over time or simply grown too old for super heroics such as the original Batman, other younger heroes should of come to replace the old ones. Some of them don't even age or have very long life spans, example: Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter, and shouldn't have any problems with still being active in the Batman Beyond Era. It seems like there is the implication that at some point the extended League disbanded. It really bugs me there wasn't any explanation given for this.
** Well, "The Call" was made before the JL series, so it was before the idea of having an expanded League in the first place. As for "The Once and Future Thing," it's mentioned in that episode that Chronos had been exterminating League members and those were the only ones left. I haven't seen "Future Shock," so I can't offer much explanation.
** The bit about "The Call" makes sense, and after rewatching "The Once and Future Thing" J'onn J'onzz and Wonder Woman were mentioned having been killed when the future Watchtower was destroyed, so they're still part of the future League. In JLU episode "Epilogue" Terry has an ImagineSpot about quitting the League under the belief he's been manipulated into being Batman. Kai-Ro, Aquagirl and Warhawk are only JL members shown, though that may just be because they're the ones Terry is most familiar with. Perhaps the League members in "The Call" are simply the only ones stationed in Metropolis with Superman at the time the episode takes place. What seems weird is that in all the appearances of the future League only the members from "The Call", Static, and are ever shown on screen. Only one thing I still can't think of an explanation for, in "Future Shock" Terry states the reason he needs Past Static's help in rescuing Future Static is that no one else is available, mentioning "the League is off near Alpha Centauri and is on the other side of the world". It seems odd, if the future extended League is anywhere near the size of the present one, all of them would be off on the same mission while only leaving three League members to watch over the Earth.
*** They let themselves get overstretched in the present day too. In Patriot Act they don't have the manpower to take Eiling.
** The fact that the future league is called the Justice League Unlimited suggests that there may be other divisions (like a JLA or a JLE), perhaps the JLU being the most prominent or powerful.
*** They adopted that name in present time, and extra divisions didn't have anything to do with it.
** They hint in Epilogue and The Once And Future Thing that the orbiting Watchtower is still there and the building we see called the Watchtower in The Call is actually the Metro Tower. That explains where some of the other league members are in The Call. A bit of a clumsy retcon but it works. And amanda states in Epilogue that the future justice league isn't as powerful as the present day one.
** Wonder Woman's absence is explained in the ''Justice League Beyond'' tie-in comic. [[spoiler:She spent decades trapped on the Justice Lords' world aiding Lord Batman in his war against Lord Superman.]] Interestingly enough, she ''has'' aged somewhat, to about the degree that Superman has.
** Keep in mind, in the events of The Call, Superman has been under the control of Starro for years. He is also generally acting as leader of the League, and certainly would be the longest tenured member at that time, barring Diana, and assuming Jonn has not returned on a full time basis. Starro/Superman may have sent other members off elsewhere, or better yet, simply kept the rest of the league in the dark about the situation so he could finish carrying out his plan. Who would question Superman, a guy that's been a hero for 50 years, and despite being 80-90 in Earth years, is still pretty much in his physical and mental prime. The only people in the League who ever really questioned or called out Superman were Batman, Green Arrow, and Question, who would all be long retired from League duty at that point, seeing as they were normal humans.

[[folder: Think a little bigger, Roulette!]]
* So Roulette, apparently with Lex Luthor's help, uses mind control devices in the JL communicators to get the girl heroes to fight each other in cage matches and charge admission/have people place bets on the outcome. Ok, understandably villainous/profitable thing to do, but why, why, WHY, if you could control even a few of the members of the Justice League, wouldn't you instead:
** Use them to take over the world
** Have them commit crimes for you and ruin their image
** If you can only control some of them, make them kill the other members or themselves
*** Well, assuming Lex used his power of control over all the female heroes you still have a good load of heroes who would stop them killing each other or robbing banks etc to smear their image. The only ones with power levels to cause real issue are Wonder Woman and Supergirl, Hawkgirl could go on the list too, because while her powers are not immense, she is pretty wiley. The rest of them are either low/specific or gadget based powers that a significant portion of the male Leagu members could easily take down. Factor in that Batman keeps files on how to beat everyone, Superman is strong enough and fast enough to catch them and Captain Marvel/Captain Atom would help out, they wouldn't be a prolonged problem. Take the mind control away and you have a League ready to take Lex Down.
*** Taking over the world would also face similar problems. Say Lex used his tech to control all the members wearing the ear communicator. As far as we have seen, Batman is most often called through his computer and batmobile, I can recall limited instances when the ear one is used (correct me if I am wrong, but I think his communicator is on the utility belt) so that is one of the DCAU's most dangerous heroes loose from Lex's control. Then we are assuming that all Leaguers, no matter what their status, are using the earpiece 24/7. Considering that they have alter-ego's and their own teams, alliances and partnerships, the inactive members who are not on duty could forseeably not have the earpiece on to control them. They could be running interferance while Batman uses Waynetech satalites to kill the control signal, and who's to bet that he has a backdoor on the communication system anyway? So Lex quite sensibly decided to control a few at a time to fight and make him some money, some second stringers who wouldn't be noticed and the big guns on a part time basis. Thus making a tidy profit and chuckling to himself about making the lady Leaguers fight each other.
*** Thing is, if you're shown as having ACCESS to the League commlinks, why not take the links of some of it's more powerful members? Why not tamper with Superman's commlink, or GL or the Flash? I mean, they got Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl(2 of the original 7), so it's not like they can only get low level second stringers. In regards to the above mentioned scenario, say you take over a group of them and send them out to cause havoc, don't you think the other Leaguers will suit up(which includes putting their commlinks on) if it looks like Superman, WW, and a couple other heavy hitters have gone rogue? And once they do, bam, now you got them as well. Sure, there might be a few you miss, but if you can get most of them, especially the more powerful members...you would have a pretty powerful advantage(especially to the mind of smug supervillains, who pretty much always underestimate their foes). Even IF it only works on women(we aren't told either way rather it does or doesn't), which sorta prevents the "world take over" routine(as mentioned, only WW, Supergirl, and possibly Zatanna are really at a high enough level to pose a threat to the other high level Leaguers) you'd think being able to have a Wonder Woman or Supergirl under your control you could at least find a few more potent uses for them outside of cage matches. Even at the most basic simple level, how bout, I dunno, asking Wonder Woman or Hawkgirl "BTW, do you know the real identity of Batman? What about the Flash?"
*** Ever hear of something called a "field test"? Testing a mind-control device by forcing League members to cat-fight each other in their sleep whilst making some cash off the fights at the same time sounds like Lex Luthor's involved to me.
*** The mind control here is pretty basic, more body control really. Those under it's control don't speak or plan, they just perform physical actions when instructed. I think asking for information from them would be pointless since the brain that knows that information seems to be being bypassed rather than altered. As another result of this is if you did try to use them for anything big the rest of the League would very quickly work out what's wrong and likely fix it and then you can't use this trick anymore. Sure, they could do some damage first but Luthor isn't mindlessly destructive; smashing some stuff up isn't going to do anything for him and besides he already has an army of supervillains who will do that stuff willingly if he needs it done. The cage matches fly below the radar. Mind controlling your enemy is only useful long term if they can convincingly fake being normal.
** Roulette and Luthor both have mental preoccupations that interfere with their ability to see the big picture: Roulette is focused on her Metabrawl operation, and Luthor is obsessed with restoring Brainiac. Thus, they simply latched on to the first idea that seemed promising rather than fully think things through.

[[folder: No easy forgivness for Hawkgirl]]
* The original members knew that Shayera wasn't fully informed about the Thanagarian's true plans for Earth in Starcrossed, and they knew that she helped them in the end. So why isn't this public knowledge? This troper is going to assume that the government knew--which could explain why Shayera wasn't incarcerated--but if Vixen and Vigilante's reactions from Hunters Moon are anything to go by, everyone else doesn't know what really happened. Why? Also, in Doomsday Sanctuary we see Shayera at the meeting in the beginning and yet she's not present when they're deciding Doomsday's fate.
** Even with all that, she ''still'' betrayed the League, and helped with the subjugation of Earth. The invasion wouldn't have happened at all without her being TheMole. Even if she didn't know the true extent of the plans, her actions still directly contributed to putting 7 billion people in danger. As for Vixen and Vigilante, I forget about the former, but Vigilante mentions that he was captured and imprisoned during the invasion, so he's got a personal reason to be pissed at her.
*** OP here and I get all of that, but Vixen and Vigilante's exchange in "Hunter's Moon" makes it apparent that the public doesn't know the whole story in Starcrossed.
--->'''Vigilante:''' I thought she betrayed ''us''?
--->'''Vixen:''' Looks like she betrayed everyone.
** It's possible they tried to tell everyone the whole story but they weren't able to overcome the wave of anti-Thanagarian hysteria that no doubt gripped the entire Earth after the invasion was thwarted. Most people probably saw it like the above troper described. She may not have known the whole plan, but she was still a willing participant and it never would have happened at all if it hadn't been for her. I mean, just try to imagine that conversation for a moment:
-->'''Justice League:''' Shayera's not a bad person. She didn't mean for it to go down like that. And when push came to shove she stood with us.
-->'''General Public:''' You mean she conveniently switched sides when her people were getting their wings handed to them!
-->'''JL:''' No, I mean...look, that's not the point. She didn't know about the Thanagarians' plan to destroy the Earth, and she wouldn't have supported it if she had.
-->'''GP:''' [[SarcasmMode Oh really?]] Do you honestly expect us to believe the top spy and personal consort of the supreme leader of the Thanagarian invasion force didn't even know what she was spying on us for? ''Really?'' What evidence is there for that, apart from her word?
-->'''JL:''' Well...none I guess. But she still stood with us and helped us take down the Thanagarians when it was clear they were planning to destroy the Earth. The point is, when she saw things were going too far she stood up for what's right.
-->'''GP:''' Yeah? And what about all the stuff they did before that? Martial law? Imprisonment of dissidents? Enslaving humans to build their machines? And, oh yeah, '''spying''' for an alien government?! Was that not "too far" enough for her?
** And hell, even if they did explain the decision, I could still see people in an uproar that she gets off without punishment. YMMV, but watching the shows from B:tAS all throughout JLU, you can probably pick out a dozen instances of people committing far less serious crimes with far greater mitigating circumstances, and receiving zero leniency. To the man on the street, the sheer magnitude of Hawkgirl's transgresson contrasted with the lack of any penalty must seem like a travesty.
** It's possible the Justice League simply wouldn't let her be taken into custody without a literal fight. Remember what happens when push comes to shove when Cadmus tries to take Long Shadow. You get two heavy hitters who literally stand in their way, ready to throw down. Seeing as Superman is sympathetic towards Hawkgirl, due to the events of Legacy, and could potentially deserve the same treatment, it's seems plausible.
** I know it's hard to imagine given that humanity has never faced something similar, but we're talking about the invasion of our planet and enslavement of our entire species by an intergalactic empire. Even if you were to ignore their ultimately apocalyptic intentions, humanity was still broken and subjugated with the help of a woman whose *job* it was to protect them. Earth faces crisis on a weekly basis in the DCAU so humanity's eventual acceptance of Hawkgirl can probably be justified, but in the real world I suspect the public and world governments would completely turn against the JU and demand either justice or Hawkgirl's head on a platter.

[[folder: Kill waterbreathers by drowning]]
* In the episode ''The enemy below'' why are Superman and Wonder Woman affected by a drowning trap-thing when they were clearly fine with breathing underwater earlier. The two Johns need to concentrate to use their powers (although if this included breathing any martian would be in a bit of a pickle if he couldn't concentrate while on mars) but I didn't think the others did.
** Superman needs to breath as much as anyone else. Why do you think he always puts on a space suit when he's flying around outside the atmosphere? Ditto Franchise/WonderWoman.
** Tell you the truth, I think the better question is, why does a society of people who breathe water have an execution device that kills by drowning? It's... completely non-lethal to any of their kind. Do they really execute that many surface dwellers?
*** Maybe it's an Atlantean execution device being run in reverse. For an Atlantean, they suck water ''out'' of the room and leave them to suffocate in the dry air (the DCU has semi-consistently established that Atlanteans can only survive for a limited time out of the water). For the odd surfacer trespasser, they use the same device but reverse the water pump.
*** Only that makes no sense because we clearly see water rushing into the Atlantean subs when the are cut open by GL, Superman and Wonder Woman. Which raises the question of why the subs had an air environment when they can clearly breath water.
*** Because then it'd be a chunk of metal that'd sink. The air counterbalances it, and a slight area is enough to make it sink or rise, aka like the way modern subs work.
*** It can't be a reverse Atlantean execution device, all of Atlantis has air as noted below. You have to remember these are people hate surface dwellers enough to [[spoiler: build a doomsday device.]] They could've built it just because, or perhaps they started as air-breathing and were essentially a co-ed underwater Themyscira.
** The better question is why a city full of water-breathers is in a giant air bubble.
*** Because otherwise they'd have to waste constant resources on guarding the city from sharks eating babies that drift away.

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* How does hawk girl get those sweatshirts on?
** ...you know, I've been watching this show regularly for something like five years now and I ''never'' considered that. Forget the shirts, which she could theoretically have brought from Thanagar or had specifically tailored, what about that dress she wore? She doesn't have the time to get somebody to produce a tailor-made dress that could fit around her wings on the short-notice of her date with Carter Hall, she just ''has it''. Sure, she looks great in it, but where did it come from?
*** Actually the dress isn't a headscratcher at all. It's an ordinary dress with a back low enough that her wings aren't a problem. She can simply step into it and pull the straps up. Her original top wasn't a problem for this either. But think about her trying to put on those pull over sweatshirts with two huge wings in the way.
** Given she starts wearing the sweatshirts after she betrays basically ''everybody'', my guess the sweatshirt is a form of penance. Since wings are largely just a different kind of arm, she could pull the shirt over her head and then force her wings through the hole(s) in the back. It'd stretch the sweatshirt and probably hurt a lot but how to take it ''off'' without destroying it is a mystery.
** If memory serves, when she reappeared in JLU (which is also when she started to wear sweatshirts) she was hanging out with Doctor Fate. So, maybe... [[AWizardDidIt you know]].
** I'd always assumed Velcro or snaps.

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* Vandal Savage's explanation of why he couldn't travel back in time to fix his own mistakes felt half-done. Okay, he can't travel back to anytime that he exists in, and he's existed since the Stone Age. But there was some point in pre-history when the caveman who would become Vandal Savage hadn't been born yet. What's stopping him from traveling back then, and taking TheSlowPath back to the modern day? Depending on the way causality works in the DCAU, he can either stop his young self from becoming immortal, or let it happen and give his younger self strict warnings about causing apocalypses. Heck, he can even take over the primitive world if he hasn't outgrown that obsession.
** While he certainly ''could'' do that, I figure he just pegged it as not a fruitful plan since, after 25,000 years living through the same events all over again, he'd be too insane to really be able to stop Vandal Savage in the present. Of course, he ''could'' go back and kill himself (Or just prevent himself from becoming immortal), since he'd only need to live through something like twenty years to get to that point, and I can't think of why he wouldn't try that.
** Initial troper here. Just realized that Savage could have reused the plan than that he almost won WWII with. He just has to send a message back to Savage about not playing with the force of gravity. I love that episode to bits, but I can't get the FridgeLogic out of my head.
*** Its possible he tried that and Past-Savage didn't listen to the message, or decided to go ahead with the experiment while taking "precautions", modifying his experiments with safety measures that of course failed.
** In the comics DCU, it's impossible to intersect your own light-cone. Vandal Savage was physically unable to travel back to his own past and interact with his younger self, slow path or no.
* There was something else about Hereafter that always bothered me. So Vandal Savage creates a machine that gives him control over gravity. Sure. He uses this machine to kill the Justice League and "disrupts the gravitational balance of the entire solar system". Okay, so that's why we can see what looks like Saturn in the sky that big. Did these gravitational disruptions also somehow age the Sun the several billion years necessary for it to enter the red giant stage? I mean I get that a powerless Superman creates more drama and tension to the story but... what?
** Actually, yes, since the stage a star is in is directly related to its mass; changing the gravity (Perhaps removing much of a stars mass) will certainly alter its state.
** More precisely, the physical configuation of a star is driven by a balance between radiation pressure pushing outward and gravity pulling inward. If something altered the force of gravity, this equilibrium would shift.
* Why did they not reveal Superman's secret identity since it would seem pointless to keep it (as far as they know)?
** Why would they? All it would result in is a media blitz of Ma and Pa Kent, and/or supervillains targeting them directly.
** Does the public think that Superman ''has'' a secret identity to begin with?
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[[folder: Offscreen mass murder in "Kid Stuff"]]
* Maybe I'm overthinking this, but did anybody else catch the FridgeHorror in this episode? Mordred transported ''every adult on Earth to another dimension simultaneously''. Sure, things were pretty well under control in the theme park where all of the action took place, but the rest of the world? Every car on every road on the planet just wrecked. Every plane in the sky just crashed. Any child receiving an operation in any hospital worldwide could only hope to bleed to death before the anesthetic wore off, and the number of infants dying from the four foot drop when mommy's suddenly teleported out, by itself, had to be in the thousands. Sure, we got shown a happy ending, but logically, every city in the developed world should have been in flames, and at least a quarter of the world's children should have died by misadventure.
** Do we know how wide Mordred's spell was? Maybe it only affected a small area, and when the government and Justice League realized something was happening, they tried to keep as many people away from the area as possible. Maybe Mordred didn't want those younger than him to die under his reign, so he saved the babies. The truth is, we end up with so little from the story, the fridge horror is still up in the air.
** Re-watched the episode. Morgaines's exact dialogue was that the spell affected "all adults", which I took to mean all adults on earth. Though I may have taking that too literally.
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[[folder: A map from the future]]
* A minor one that might even be a nitpick, but in episode 25 of season 1 we briefly see a map of the world (while at Blackhawk Island) that clearly shows a North and South Korea. The problem is that those two nations wouldn't even be created as Soviet and American controlled zones until 1945. Usually it might just be a mistake of using the wrong map but this is an animated show. Someone had to actually choose to put in the words 'N. Korea' and 'S. Korea'.
** Blackhawk Island might not necessarily have been sealed away immediately, unless I'm forgetting something. Depending on how long it took them to gather all that crap, an updated map wouldn't be out of the question.
*** At the time the episode takes place, there simply wouldn't be any South or North Korea's to exist on maps. The best answer is probably the animators tried too hard for accuracy and didn't think to check the dates.
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[[folder: "Legends"]]
* Something that came to me recently regarding Legends: everyone focuses on how John Stewart gets that 'you're a credit to your race son' line while missing a really big plot hole. When Stewart intervenes to prevent the theft of that rare violin the bad guy comments on how 'well change your costume but I can still tell it's you Green Guardsman'. Now tell me, it's a 1950s style setting and he can't tell that this obviously BLACK man isn't his obviously WHITE opponent he's fought many times? That the only thing he notices is the difference in costumes? Not that the guy's a young, very black bald man and not a very white middle-aged white-haired man.
** The Green Lantern rings have frequently been shown to be able to disguise their bearer; changing how they look, including the color of their skin, apparent age, and even gender. I'll admit it's odd that he only comments on the costume and not everything else, but I'll wager he's seen the Guardsman desguise himself before for other purposes, and just assumed it was more ring trickery.
** Actually he didn't just comment on the costume. The villain's exact words were "Your ''disguise'' can't fool me, Green Guardsman!"
* Why did Ray get treated as the villain? At first, they just thought he was the only one left and somehow creating an illusionary enviornment, which isn't exactly evil. Sure, it's shown later that people were being forced into roles against there will, but the Leagues reactions indicate they didn't know that before.
** He's lying to them and putting them in mortal danger for his own thrills. Even if there was nobody else on the planet, and he wasn't harming anybody before, as soon as the League arrived he began attacking them without regard for their well-being.
* One thing has bugged me with this episode. The final battle of the ep is against Ray, who defeats 4 members of the Justice League (and some of the stronger ones at that) with hardly any effort on his part or damage thanks to his reality warper mental powers and barrier that can shrug off Green Lantern's ring blasts and Hawkgirl's mace like it's nothing. However, the headscratcher comes when the Justice Guild decides to take him out, and each of them hurt Ray with their every blow, and Ray is hardly even able fight back, including Black Siren and Catman, who, like Batman are just Badass Normals, they shouldn't have even been able to make him flinch if the League couldn't do it. Why were the Justice Guild doing so much better than the League especially since their LetsYouAndHimFight earlier in the episode established that both teams are roughly equal in power? Not to mention, why didn't Ray simply blink the Guild out of existence with a thought since he created them, recreating them later once the League was dealt with?
** The thing about the Justice Guild is they weren't just beating him with straight up strength. They were beating him because they were something he created and cared about and which he didn't want to hurt--the Justice League were something he didn't want in his world, while the Justice Guild are something he set up the entire world for. They were effective against him because, deep down, he didn't want to hurt them.
** It's a safe bet that Ray's powers, like many psychics in fiction, are based off/fueled by willpower. Being attacked by his heroes would be a major blow to his ability to focus which could be why he wasn't able to defend himself from them, as opposed to just holding them at bay with a barrier.
** There's also the tactics they used to consider. The League would attack one at a time, and wait for him to shrug it off before their next attack. The Guild, on the other hand, would distract him or catch off guard, (such as when he was fending off another attacker, or recovering from a previous attack), before eventually mob rushing him and attacking all at once. Their combined efforts, plus the thought of his heroes and creations attacking him, was what pushed him to his limits.
** Ray must have known on some level that what he was doing to the other survivors was wrong. He hid that behind walls of denial and rationalization, which cracked when the League heroes intruded into his world and dug up the truth. Once Ray could no longer deny that he was the villain in this scenario, he simply couldn't imagine his heroes ''not'' confronting and defeating him, so that's what happened.
* What's going to prevent Ray from recreating his world after he wakes up?
** [[KilledOffForReal He's not waking up.]]
* Tom Turbine says that he hasn't been able to find an energy source to power up his interdimensional machine. Did he never think to ask Green Guardsman to use his energy beams? They're pretty similar to GL's, whose powers were able to power up the machine in the end.
** Tom Turbine and Green Guardsman are ultimately Ray's creations. ''Trying'' to build an interdimensional portal is the sort of thing he imagines his heroes doing, but he doesn't want to ''actually'' deal with people from some other dimension. Thus, they keep going through the motions without accomplishing anything, rather like the activities of the survivors like the ice-cream truck driver.
** Considering that the interdimensional portal still existed after Ray was defeated and with it all his recreations, the reason it's there is because Tom Turbine was actually working on it before the world was destroyed but ran into the same problem. It's likely Tom only got that far before the world was blown up. Ray probably knew about it, but recreation Tom never figured out how to get it working because Ray didn't want to. It's also possible Tom never figured it out because Ray himself couldn't figure it out. Ray's Justice Guild and their counterparts the Injustice Guild ultimately are flawed idealized recreations with the survivors also forced to play those roles, hence why they all act like Golden Age comic book characters instead of acting like real people. Ray's recreations aren't going to be able to do or know things that Ray himself doesn't.
* Here's a question regarding the opening: why did Batman have to be there? What was so special about what was powering Luthor's mecha that they needed a Batarang? Granted, Green Lantern was still out cold, but why couldn't Hawkgirl just hit it with her mace or Superman just punch it, considering he was the one who ripped open the hole in the first place?
** That's a question with Batman around superbeings in general, in cartoons and the comics. In actual fights against anything the league as a whole is needed for Batman tends to be pretty useless at actually fighting against it. Like in Paradise Lost he can't do anything against Hades but throw completely ineffective exploding batarangs at him which really is just an act of defiance or at best a distraction. Hence why the cartoon and comics usually have Batman as the planner, functioning as a distraction, and/or sabotaging things or dealing with a few mooks rather than have him actually fight anything.
* Why didn't Ray reimagine himself as a superhero? He wanted to be one, given his line about becoming one when he grows up.
** Being an adult superhero means responsibility and Ray is despreately clinging to his childhood to avoid dealing with the horrific trauma he suffered. He imagines himself as a kid, who is pals with superheroes and can participate in their adventures, but doesn't have any personal responsibility above that of a kid.
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[[folder: "The Doomsday Sanction"]]
* Apologies if this has been asked, but, what was Batman complaining about at the end? The Phantom Zone is the only place they could possibly hold Doomsday. What would Bruce rather they do? Prison? They can't hold a clown. Give him to the Government? Yeah, give Cadmus back their super weapon, I'm sure that will work out great. There was nowhere else they could hold possibly send him, and he can't come back and threaten anyone else, so what's his problem?
** Batman's problem with it has to do with a couple of things. The biggest being that a small group of people basically made a life or death decision. With this being fresh off the back of the Justice Lords Batman has a genuine (and legitimate) fear that if the Justice League for whatever reason decide to take over the world there is nobody who could stop them. As powerful as Doomsday is when you remember Mongol and Darksied are part of the DC universe he's not so much an unstoppable monster as he is extremely powerful. This fear is a large part of the story of Justice League: Doom or Tower of Babel if you prefer the comic. Also the Phantom Zone doesn't really have a much better record of keeping prisoners than deep space or for that matter Hell in the DC verse. Had the JLA held a formal trial of sorts, even consulted the entire league instead of making a decision amongst the core seven Batman would likely have reacted differently.
** It actually wasn't even the core seven. There was only seating for six, and Shayera wasn't there. Confirming the suspicions, this shows a level of secrets within secrets.
* Given that Superman was pushed to try what his Justice Lord counterpart did (lobotomising Doomsday), why does he feel confident enough to joke about it when Bruce accuses him of going too far? One would think that kind of attitude is ''exactly'' where the alternate League/Lords started prior to their Luthor becoming President, and their Flash being killed. Under the circumstances it seems highly irresponsible and short-sighted.
** Superman was glad to be alive, and glad nobody else died. But that flippancy could be seen (by the Question, if not by Batman) that the two Supermen were slowly becoming more similar. That alone would explain how furious Bruce got about it.
** Joking about something doesn't necessarily reflect confidence -- Supes might have been trying to deflect his own worries with a bit of {{gallows humor}}.
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** It's a question exactly what Amazo is or what powers his abilities. He also copied Hawlgirl's Nth Metal mace that should be able to neutralize Grundy's magic as well. I find it likely that most of what Amazo copies are facsimilies rather than the real thing, Wonder Woman's powers included. Hence why he can create a Green Lantern Ring or Superman's powers without the mechanisms either of the originals would require to actually function, a Power Battery and willpower for the former and sunlight for the latter. Wonder Woman's powers are flight, super strength, super durability and an unbreakable lasso that doesn't even have all it's powers at this point. There's very little actually magical about her powers that the other league members don't have perfectly suitable versions of.

** Batman isn't the only one with [[RichIdiotWithNoDayJob huge monetary resources]] assuming Green Arrow is owner of Queen Industries in the DCAU. Add to that, 50+ superheroes make appearances as part of the post Thanagarian Invasion Justice League either as secondary characters or via cameos. Some of them are extraterrestrial in origin and thus have access to alien technology and there is more than one [[ScienceHero super scientist]] among them. The Justice League could have used these various technologies in the Watchtower's construction. They could be making money off some the less dangerous and more replicable of their members' inventions and/or alien technology they may have brought back from off earth missions. It also helps to have guys who can lift several tons and reach escape velocity unaided, they don't have to pay for a shuttle to get the components in orbit. The Justice League works all across the globe and they've helped multiple governments with natural and man made disasters and lets not forget them saving the world on multiple occasions. Some governments or [[UnclePennybags wealthy civilians]] may sometimes show thanks by donating to the League.

*** Two more possibilities for Hawk Girl. 1. Since Savage (ha ha ha) Earth appears to have a higher standard tech level than Earth, it may of been possible the Thangarians called it off as soon as they learned Earth wouldn't be as easy pickings. By the present, ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} had tried to take over Earth only was stopped by Superman. If the people of Earth could hold back a GodOfEvil, the Thangarians may never of made the plan to begin with. 2. Hawkgirl was found and... well... if you know what the Nazi's did to the Jews, just think what would of happened if they got there hands on an [[FridgeHorror ALIEN]].

*** My guess is that Savage was on the side of the Nazi's already, most likely control over the Nazi's technology development, but wasn't in the position to take over power (he is immortal, and he may of been smart, but he just didn't have the tech to work with). That was, until his future self sent him the laptop containing all the tech, all the future knowledge of invasions/military movements, and where the enemy would be the weakest), that is the bargaining chip he needed to take power.

So what exactly was Diana doing in that store in "Fury"? She seems totally confused by everything, so what drew her in there in the first place?

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** Tom Turbine and Green Guardsman are ultimately Ray's creations. ''Trying'' to build an interdimensional portal is the sort of thing he imagines his heroes doing, but he doesn't want to ''actually'' deal with people from some other dimension. Thus, they keep going through the motions without accomplishing anything, rather like the activities of some of the other survivors like the ice-cream truck driver.