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*** Except Curien and Goldman's work was based on Clement's, and in every game in the series mutants/zombies can wield weapons, which would imply that 'mutant' is the more accurate term.
*** Presumably, Zombies in this setting can use weapons. It's not something that completely negates the zombie term.
*** Presumably, Zombies in this setting can use weapons. It's not something that completely negates the zombie term.
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*** Except Curien and Goldman's work was based on Clement's, Darling's, and in every game in the series mutants/zombies can wield weapons, which would imply that 'mutant' is the more accurate term.
**** For what it's worth, the warden's research was itself based on the research the government did in the secret lab under his prison. Probably doesn't mean anything for whether the main series is all mutants or zombies and some mutants, but it's there.
*** Presumably,Zombies zombies in this setting can use weapons. It's not something that completely negates the zombie term.
**** For what it's worth, the warden's research was itself based on the research the government did in the secret lab under his prison. Probably doesn't mean anything for whether the main series is all mutants or zombies and some mutants, but it's there.
*** Presumably,
** I'm guessing that the Emperor wasn't going to ''completely'' destroy mankind. Just bring about a mass die-back, maybe slightly over 99.9% of the world's population; still tens of millions of people left, more than enough to avoid a genetic bottleneck. Then, the survivors and their descendents would have the Emperor's liquid metal boot stamping on their faces into perpetuity.
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** In the intro of HOTD 2, we see Goldman approching Curien's body. He presumably fitted him into the Wheel of Fate, a resurrection device that operates over the course of twenty years.
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** In the intro of HOTD 2, we see Goldman approching approaching Curien's body. He presumably fitted him into the Wheel of Fate, a resurrection device that operates over the course of twenty years.
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*** Presumably, Zombies in this setting can use weapons. It's not something that completely negates the zombie term.
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** I always assumed they were elite and/or prototype and/or super-evolved zombies. You're right at the source of the zombie plague, so it makes sense that these are Goldman's special projects. Magician was a blend of genetics and robotics, it looks like, so these zombies are probably further experiments on that basis.
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* When going through Goldman's building in HOTD 2 & 4, why do you have to face these cybernetic/futuristic zombie things in place of the regular zombies? They just feel like a load of [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere space fleas]]. Does anyone have any idea what they're doing there?
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** Hell, [[IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream AM ]] exterminated all but five humans, and he still has a hate-on to end all hate-ons for humans. Just look at his [[Quotes/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream quote]] on the matter.
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** Hell, [[IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream [[Literature/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream AM ]] exterminated all but five humans, and he still has a hate-on to end all hate-ons for humans. Just look at his [[Quotes/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream quote]] on the matter.
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** Who knows what's under the armour? He still seems to breathe, somewhat, so it's possible that somewhere in whatever passes for internal organs there's still a larynx. It's not like he spoke any actual words, so he doesn't need a tongue.
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* HOTD2: How the hell can Kuarl (a huge suit of animated armor with ''no visible head'') roar?
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* In the second game, why Zombie Goldman appears in the Bad Ending? What kind of Bad ending is supposed to be? And how could he be zombified after falling from the roof of a skyscraper?! He should have turn into a zombified hamburder instead!
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* In the second game, why does Zombie Goldman appears appear in the Bad Ending? What kind of Bad ending is that supposed to be? And how could he be zombified after falling from the roof of a skyscraper?! He should have turn turned into a zombified hamburder instead!hamburger instead!
** Short answer: Sega's love of {{Gainax Ending}}s. HOTD 1 had Sophie become a zombie in the bad ending (Which is really more of a moderate ending), so they decided to repeat it with HOTD 2. As for why he's not mush, I may be wrong, but while falling from the top of a skyscraper onto concrete is quite messy for one's internal organs and bones, I'm not sure you'd actually splatter. Your blood and vital organs, perhaps. Mix in some handwaving about the virus repairing and revitalizing as it reanimates, and there you go.
** Short answer: Sega's love of {{Gainax Ending}}s. HOTD 1 had Sophie become a zombie in the bad ending (Which is really more of a moderate ending), so they decided to repeat it with HOTD 2. As for why he's not mush, I may be wrong, but while falling from the top of a skyscraper onto concrete is quite messy for one's internal organs and bones, I'm not sure you'd actually splatter. Your blood and vital organs, perhaps. Mix in some handwaving about the virus repairing and revitalizing as it reanimates, and there you go.
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* In the second game, why Zombie Goldman appears in the Bad Ending? What kind of Bad ending is supposed to be? And how could he be zombified after falling from the roof of a skyscraper?! He should have turn into a zombified hamburder instead!
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** I'm gonna go ahead and guess that he was going to destroy and hate mankind simultaneously.
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*** Except Curien and Goldman's work was based on Clement's, and in every game in the series mutants/zombies can wield weapons, which would imply that 'mutant' is the more accurate term.
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** Hell, [[IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream AM ]] exterminated all but five humans, and he still has a hate-on to end all hate-ons for humans. Just look at his [[Quotes/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream quote]] on the matter.
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* When the Magician is rebuilt for HOTD 2, why doesn't Goldman protect his week spots?
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** In the intro of HOTD 2, we see Goldman approching Curien's body. He presumably fitted him into the Wheel of Fate, a resurrection device that operates over the course of twenty years.
* When the Magician is rebuilt for HOTD 2, why doesn't Goldman protect hisweek weak spots?
* When the Magician is rebuilt for HOTD 2, why doesn't Goldman protect his
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** The events of HOTD 4.
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** Hmm, good question. It's possible that he died normally at his mansion, but he had copied his brainwaves or something similar into the Wheel Of Fate at the research lab.
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** Considering that Magician is apparently a genetic creation rather than a robot, it may not be that easy. It may have taken a lot more work than just welding a few metal plates to him (Or those parts are exposed for a reason. What the reason is I don't know, but still...) and Goldman was busy designing the Emperor anyways.
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*What caused the apocalypse in HOTD 3?
*How did Curien survive HOTD for HOTD 3?
*When the Magician is rebuilt for HOTD 2, why doesn't Goldman protect his week spots?
*How did Curien survive HOTD for HOTD 3?
*When the Magician is rebuilt for HOTD 2, why doesn't Goldman protect his week spots?
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** According to Overkill they're mutants, not zombies. Some are even capable of speech.
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** According to Overkill Overkill, they're mutants, not zombies. Some are even capable of speech.
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** It IS slimly, slimly possible to reload almost any kind of gun (particularly one-handed pistols) with only one free hand. It is HELL of hard, and when suspended as they are it would probably involve ejecting the clip and letting it drop while trying to "fit" the clip in with half your hand while holding the pistol with the other half. Like I said, harder than hell. But under such circumstances, you would be amazed at what a person can accomplish.
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** It IS slimly, slimly possible to reload almost any kind of gun (particularly one-handed pistols) with only one free hand. It is HELL of hard, and when suspended as they are are, it would probably involve ejecting the clip and letting it drop while trying to "fit" the clip in with half your hand while holding the pistol with the other half. Like I said, harder than hell. But under such circumstances, you would be amazed at what a person can accomplish.
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** You expected a coherent worldview from an artifical tyrant? Anyway, he doesn't stand much of a chance of ruling, destroying, or hating anyone now, y'know, being vaporized and all.
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** You expected a coherent worldview from an artifical artificial tyrant? Anyway, he doesn't stand much of a chance of ruling, destroying, or hating anyone now, y'know, being vaporized and all.
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* In [=HotD=] 1-4 is there any reason given for the BigBad to do the initial [[strike: zombie]] [[NotUsingTheZedWord undead]] outbreak rather than just unleash the final boss? The ultimate plan always revolves around the final boss being unleashed, yet they bring out the zombies first which turns the AMS on to the fact that there's a plan in motion in the first place; the AMS kills the zombies then they kill t he boss. Why not just unleash the boss?
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* In [=HotD=] 1-4 1-4, is there any reason given for the BigBad to do the initial [[strike: zombie]] [[strike:zombie]] [[NotUsingTheZedWord undead]] outbreak outbreak, rather than just unleash the final boss? The ultimate plan always revolves around the final boss being unleashed, yet they bring out the zombies first first, which turns the AMS on to the fact that there's a plan in motion in the first place; the AMS kills the zombies zombies, then they kill t he the boss. Why not just unleash the boss?
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** There's some kind of "statement" (I'm not sure where it comes from. Japanese fact file, maybe?) that The Emporer "wasn't ready" when it confronted the AMS agents atop the Goldman building (by the time you get to HOTD 4, The World had plenty of time to fully mature and - as demonstrated in the game - was essentially indestructible). This explains why Goldman didn't just unleash The Emporer right away and how the AMS agents were able to defeat it at all.
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** There's some kind of "statement" (I'm not sure where it comes from. Japanese fact file, maybe?) that The Emporer Emperor "wasn't ready" when it confronted the AMS agents atop the Goldman building (by the time you get to HOTD 4, The World had plenty of time to fully mature and - as demonstrated in the game - was essentially indestructible). This explains why Goldman didn't just unleash The Emporer Emperor right away and how the AMS agents were able to defeat it at all.
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* What is wrong with the infamous voice acting of HOTD 2? It is just so bad that it reaches a level which feels like they deliberately told the voice actors to sound as boring as possible. Even if they just get some random people off the street they can most likely do a better job then what they had.
* About the second game: A part from being set in "Venice"..... after getting through the city, you reach Goldman's Skyscraped, kill him and that's all. In the fourth game, however, you go again in the very same building (the bridge has even the hole made by the Hierophant boss), but the city is totally different!! What the heck!?
* About the second game: A part from being set in "Venice"..... after getting through the city, you reach Goldman's Skyscraped, kill him and that's all. In the fourth game, however, you go again in the very same building (the bridge has even the hole made by the Hierophant boss), but the city is totally different!! What the heck!?
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* What is wrong with the infamous voice acting of HOTD 2? It is just so bad that it reaches a level which feels like they deliberately told the voice actors to sound as boring as possible. Even if they just get some random people off the street street, they can most likely do a better job then what they had.
* About the second game:A part Apart from being set in "Venice"..... after getting through the city, you reach Goldman's Skyscraped, Skyscraper, kill him him, and that's all. In the fourth game, however, you go again in the very same building (the bridge has even has the hole made by the Hierophant boss), but the city is totally different!! What the heck!?heck!?
** They rebuilt it?
* About the second game:
** They rebuilt it?
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* About the second game: A part from being set in "Venice"..... after getting through the city, you reach Goldman's Skyscraped, kill him and that's all. In the fourth game, however, you go again in the very same building (the bridge has even the hole made by the Hierophant boss), but the city is totally different!! What the heck!?
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* What is wrong with the infamous voice acting of HOTD 2? It is just so bad that it reaches a level which feels like they deliberately told the voice actors to sound as boring as possible. Even if they just get some random people off the street they can most likely do a better job then what they had.
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** Watch [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvhT990DSDU this]] at the very end, 10:37. It's not Karl, it's Kuarl.
** To clarify: The headless armoured fellow is called "Kuarl", while the little imp is "Zeal". Together, they form "Judgment".
** To clarify: The headless armoured fellow is called "Kuarl", while the little imp is "Zeal". Together, they form "Judgment".
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** Watch [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvhT990DSDU this]] at the very end, 10:37. It's not Karl, it's Kuarl.
** To clarify:Kuarl. The headless armoured fellow is called "Kuarl", while the little imp is "Zeal". Zeal, incidentally. Together, they form "Judgment".Judgment Type 28.
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** Because he ''won't'' do it in that order. Obviously.
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** Because he ''won't'' do it in For the sheer hell of it, I'm going to guess that order. Obviously.first, he rules mankind, then he exterminates mankind, and then he spends however many years he has hating mankind and its memory after the fact.
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** There's some kind of "statement" (I'm not sure where it comes from. Japanese fact file, maybe?) that The Emporer "wasn't ready" when it confronted the AMS agents atop the Goldman building. This is why they were able to defeat it at all. By the time you get to HOTD 4, The World had plenty of time to fully mature and - as demonstrated in the game - was essentially indestructible.
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** There's some kind of "statement" (I'm not sure where it comes from. Japanese fact file, maybe?) that The Emporer "wasn't ready" when it confronted the AMS agents atop the Goldman building. This is why they were able to defeat it at all. By building (by the time you get to HOTD 4, The World had plenty of time to fully mature and - as demonstrated in the game - was essentially indestructible.indestructible). This explains why Goldman didn't just unleash The Emporer right away and how the AMS agents were able to defeat it at all.
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*** Which is a silly name, period. Best not think about it too much... (The little guy is "Zeal", BTW.)
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** For the sheer hell of it, I'm going to guess that first, he rules mankind, then he exterminates mankind, and then he spends however many years he has hating mankind and its memory after the fact.
** He could hate and rule some of them and destroy the rest.
** He could hate and rule some of them and destroy the rest.
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** For the sheer hell of it, I'm going to guess Because he ''won't'' do it in that first, he rules mankind, then he exterminates mankind, and then he spends however many years he has hating mankind and its memory after the fact.
** He could hate and rule some of them and destroy the rest.order. Obviously.
** He could hate and rule some of them and destroy the rest.
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** Well, there is no Ultimate Plan in 3, just an outpost that Rogen went missing in. It was the player who released the final boss anyways, to wipe out the last of Curien's project. The game also explains why Dr. Curien acted like that in 1. Namely that researching the virus drove him crazy. As for Goldman and why he waited to release the final boss? 4 sort of explained it as him testing humanity's worth to live. You still got me on 2, though.
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** Well, there is HOTD 3 has no Ultimate Plan in 3, just an outpost that Rogen went missing in. It was the player who released endgame plan. Lisa and G were simply looking for Rogan, and they wind up releasing the final boss anyways, in a bid to wipe out the last of Curien's project. The game projects. HOTD 3 also explains why Dr. provides some insight into ''why'' Curien acted like that attacked his own staff with an army of zombies in 1. Namely that researching the virus original game; the depth and possibility of his research drove him crazy. nuts. As for why Goldman and why he waited to release before releasing the final boss? 4 sort of explained it as him boss in HOTD 4? His snide remarks implied he was testing humanity's worth (and desire) to live. You still got me on HOTD 2, though.though.
** There's some kind of "statement" (I'm not sure where it comes from. Japanese fact file, maybe?) that The Emporer "wasn't ready" when it confronted the AMS agents atop the Goldman building. This is why they were able to defeat it at all. By the time you get to HOTD 4, The World had plenty of time to fully mature and - as demonstrated in the game - was essentially indestructible.
** There's some kind of "statement" (I'm not sure where it comes from. Japanese fact file, maybe?) that The Emporer "wasn't ready" when it confronted the AMS agents atop the Goldman building. This is why they were able to defeat it at all. By the time you get to HOTD 4, The World had plenty of time to fully mature and - as demonstrated in the game - was essentially indestructible.
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** All that AMS training really paid off, it seems...
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** It's assumed by most fans that this mysterious guy is Harry Harris from the second game. Signs point to a similar voice and the limp (Harry suffered an injury in the second game which could have left him with a limp).
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* Okay, it's been long enough. Who is that mysterious man in the suit in the "best" endings for both 3 and 4? Seems to be a pretty blatant SequelHook, but right now we know exactly jumping jack squat about him.
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* In [=HotD=] 1-4 is there any reason given for the BigBad to do the initial [[strike: zombie]] [[NotUsingTheZedWord undead]] outbreak rather than just unleash the final boss? The ultimate plan always revolves around the final boss being unleashed, yet they bring out the zombies first which turns the AMS on to the fact that there's a plan in motion in the first place; the AMS kills the zombies then they kill the boss. Why not just unleash the boss?
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* In [=HotD=] 1-4 is there any reason given for the BigBad to do the initial [[strike: zombie]] [[NotUsingTheZedWord undead]] outbreak rather than just unleash the final boss? The ultimate plan always revolves around the final boss being unleashed, yet they bring out the zombies first which turns the AMS on to the fact that there's a plan in motion in the first place; the AMS kills the zombies then they kill the t he boss. Why not just unleash the boss?boss?
** Well, there is no Ultimate Plan in 3, just an outpost that Rogen went missing in. It was the player who released the final boss anyways, to wipe out the last of Curien's project. The game also explains why Dr. Curien acted like that in 1. Namely that researching the virus drove him crazy. As for Goldman and why he waited to release the final boss? 4 sort of explained it as him testing humanity's worth to live. You still got me on 2, though.
** Well, there is no Ultimate Plan in 3, just an outpost that Rogen went missing in. It was the player who released the final boss anyways, to wipe out the last of Curien's project. The game also explains why Dr. Curien acted like that in 1. Namely that researching the virus drove him crazy. As for Goldman and why he waited to release the final boss? 4 sort of explained it as him testing humanity's worth to live. You still got me on 2, though.
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** He could hate and rule some of them and destroy the rest.
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* So I saw a small amount of gameplay footage and there were zombies with blowtorches. Where did they get these things? Are they créme brulee zombies? For that matter, where do any of the zombies get their weaponry?
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*** Yes, but those were created by an entirely different project from what Curien and Goldman were up to. In the rest of the series, they're zombies.