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** Disregarding all the mistakes that Natsu made. Even when Natsu unleashed his attack in the hopes of turning the tables, he is left immobilised and Cobra is completely fine, even walking on both legs. This is also neglecting the fact that it took THREE first generation Dragon Slayers to defeat a single Second Generation dragon slayer in a prior arc.


* Am I the only one who thought Natsu's victory was a major AssPull? Gajeel, Natsu's equal, would have been killed without Levi's help by what could be described as EliteMooks at best. So Zancrow, who is a member of the QuirkyMinibossSquad, should be levels above them, and let's not forget they were personally taught magic by Hades, the man who [[CurbStompBattle curb stomped]] [[BigGood MAKAROV.]] Natsu landing next to Makarov to get his EleventhHourSuperpower of all places when the island is humongous was a huge ContrivedCoincidence. [[MyKungFuIsStrongerThanYours IT WAS SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT NATSU COULD NOT EAT ZANCROW'S FLAMES AND THAT HIS MAGIC WAS INFERIOR TO HIS.]] Then he eats Zancrow's fire by nullifying his magic. What. The. Fuck. I know it's magic but seriously?! Wouldn't not using your magic leave you as a HUGE TARGET for the enemy's attacks? How does that even work in the first place? Canceling out your magic allows you to eat substances you could not consume previously... [[SarcasmMode Yeah, I can totally buy that.]] This also brings up the [[ConvectionSchmonvection uselessness of Zancrow's so called "God Slaying" Flames.]] He said his flames don't burn, they destroy everything. [[YouFailPhysicsForever So how are they flames in the first place?]] His flames which are supposedly capable of killing Gods (or at least Hades) [[UselessUsefulSpell couldn't even eliminate a totally defenseless Natsu.]] Or [[CuteKitten cats,]] for that matter. PlotArmor at its best. And where did Natsu even get the idea to nullify his own magic? It wasn't his talk with Makarov, that's for sure. TotalDeusExMachina, anyone? The worst part? Gildartz gave Natsu a whole lecture on how fear and knowing when to give up is a good thing. And what does he do when confronted with an opponent who has him scared out of his wits and completely overpowers him? [[AesopAmnesia HE IGNORES WHAT GILDARTZ TOLD HIM]] and said "This is a different fear from what Gildartz was talking about. These shivers are coming from the fear that whoever did this to grandpa might be finished off by someone other than me." It's official. Natsu will forever be a FlatCharacter. He'll just [[BoringInvincibleHero win every battle]] through some sort of DeusExMachina and never [[CharacterDevelopment change as a character.]] It's really sad when a character as minor as Leon has gone through more development than the main character.

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* Am I the only one who thought Natsu's victory was a major AssPull? Gajeel, Natsu's equal, would have been killed without Levi's help by what could be described as EliteMooks at best. So Zancrow, who is a member of the QuirkyMinibossSquad, should be levels above them, and let's not forget they were personally taught magic by Hades, the man who [[CurbStompBattle curb stomped]] [[BigGood MAKAROV.]] Natsu landing next to Makarov to get his EleventhHourSuperpower of all places when the island is humongous was a huge ContrivedCoincidence. [[MyKungFuIsStrongerThanYours IT WAS SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT NATSU COULD NOT EAT ZANCROW'S FLAMES AND THAT HIS MAGIC WAS INFERIOR TO HIS.]] Then he eats Zancrow's fire by nullifying his magic. What. The. Fuck. I know it's magic but seriously?! Wouldn't not using your magic leave you as a HUGE TARGET for the enemy's attacks? How does that even work in the first place? Canceling out your magic allows you to eat substances you could not consume previously... [[SarcasmMode Yeah, I can totally buy that.]] This also brings up the [[ConvectionSchmonvection uselessness of Zancrow's so called "God Slaying" Flames.]] He said his flames don't burn, they destroy everything. [[YouFailPhysicsForever [[ArtisticLicensePhysics So how are they flames in the first place?]] His flames which are supposedly capable of killing Gods (or at least Hades) [[UselessUsefulSpell couldn't even eliminate a totally defenseless Natsu.]] Or [[CuteKitten cats,]] for that matter. PlotArmor at its best. And where did Natsu even get the idea to nullify his own magic? It wasn't his talk with Makarov, that's for sure. TotalDeusExMachina, anyone? The worst part? Gildartz gave Natsu a whole lecture on how fear and knowing when to give up is a good thing. And what does he do when confronted with an opponent who has him scared out of his wits and completely overpowers him? [[AesopAmnesia HE IGNORES WHAT GILDARTZ TOLD HIM]] and said "This is a different fear from what Gildartz was talking about. These shivers are coming from the fear that whoever did this to grandpa might be finished off by someone other than me." It's official. Natsu will forever be a FlatCharacter. He'll just [[BoringInvincibleHero win every battle]] through some sort of DeusExMachina and never [[CharacterDevelopment change as a character.]] It's really sad when a character as minor as Leon has gone through more development than the main character.


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* It was mentioned several times (including Gray's flashback during the Garuna Island arc) that mages in the west are so powerful that even Ur doesn't compare to them. Alvarez may not have been mentioned by name, but the idea that there's a continent to the west with absurdly strong mages has been around for a while.

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* It was mentioned several times (including Gray's flashback during the Garuna Galuna Island arc) that mages in the west are so powerful that even Ur doesn't compare to them. Alvarez may not have been mentioned by name, but the idea that there's a continent to the west with absurdly strong mages has been around for a while.



Why are the spriggans the only fighter Alvarez has that seem even romoteley strong? Their armies which are soldier and implied mages from all over the empire, which If I might add is a empire that spands an entire continent and is governed by the greatest mind in the history magic, are incapable of combating just a few guilds they outnumber 300/1 at Alvarez least numerous battlefield but their troops get mowed down like dogs despite Fiore being mentioned as a small country and this being an elite army. If any thought went into Alvarez by Mashima wouldn't mooks alone at least be equal one on one to fodder of these guilds and officers who numbers alone most likely outnumber the guilds numbers 10/1 at a conservative estimate should be equal or greater. Yet the mooks get taken out with ease until a spriggans shows up a curbstomps the guilds until Fairy tail shows up which leads to the next point.

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Why are the spriggans Spriggan 12 the only fighter fighters Alvarez has that seem even romoteley remotely strong? Their armies which are soldier soldiers and implied mages from all over the empire, which If which, if I might add is a empire that spands spans an entire continent and is governed by the greatest mind in the history of magic, are incapable of combating combatting just a few guilds they outnumber 300/1 at for Alvarez least numerous battlefield but their troops get mowed down like dogs despite Fiore being mentioned as a small country and this being an elite army. If any thought went into Alvarez by Mashima wouldn't mooks alone at least be equal one on one to fodder of these guilds and officers who numbers alone most likely outnumber the guilds numbers 10/1 at a conservative estimate should be equal or greater. Yet the mooks get taken out with ease until a spriggans Spriggan shows up a curbstomps the guilds until Fairy tail Tail shows up which leads to the next point.



** the very fact there a definite percentage of the population actually make's it munch worse. Give how fiore has 17 million people and the top five guild's fighting against alvarez combined is around six hundred. There are only six hundred fighter im Fiore capable of holding their own against Alvarez. A logical problem which really hurt and is quite obvious is that fiore is fighting alone against a whole continent which was stated to have an even greater number of mages than the whole of ishgar let alone Fiore. doubling the number of the top five guilds by a realistic estimation of equal tier mages across the continent alvarez rule's over. They should have atleast seven thousand mage's on par with Fiore best with the spriggan 12 and their squad's handling fairy tail. The shear fridge logic brought up by this is almost inexcusable given how there no way Alvarez could be weaker in magic than Ishgar by magnitude considering Zeref is their emperor and he's the reason fairy tail got so strong in the first place. The only reason that Alvarez is trimmed so munch is giving them even the lower end of combatants would be impossible to defeat. Which would add a headscratcher of it's own: Why did mashima make alvarez rule over an entire continent if they have to be so munch weaker than by all logic should be?

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** the very fact there a definite percentage of the population actually make's makes it munch much worse. Give how fiore Fiore has 17 million people and the top five guild's guilds fighting against alvarez Alvarez combined is around six hundred. There are only six hundred fighter im in Fiore capable of holding their own against Alvarez. A logical problem which really hurt and is quite obvious is that fiore is fighting alone against a whole continent which was stated to have an even greater number of mages than the whole of ishgar let alone Fiore. doubling the number of the top five guilds by a realistic estimation of equal tier mages across the continent alvarez rule's over. They should have atleast at least seven thousand mage's on par with Fiore best with the spriggan 12 and their squad's handling fairy tail. The shear fridge logic brought up by this is almost inexcusable given how there no way Alvarez could be weaker in magic than Ishgar by magnitude considering Zeref is their emperor and he's the reason fairy tail got so strong in the first place. The only reason that Alvarez is trimmed so munch is giving them even the lower end of combatants would be impossible to defeat. Which would add a headscratcher of it's own: Why did mashima Mashima make alvarez Alvarez rule over an entire continent if they have to be so munch much weaker than by all logic should be?



Why did Mashima have Ishgars strongest mage turncoat without an explained reason and then [[spoiler: KILL! Him off without showing off all his powers? Wouldn't it have served the story just as munch to just have Serena be a power spriggan instead of a turncoat if Mashima really only planned on him getting killed to show off Acnologia power?]]

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Why did Mashima have Ishgars Ishgar's strongest mage turncoat without an explained reason and then [[spoiler: KILL! Him off without showing off all his powers? Wouldn't it have served the story just as munch much to just have Serena be a power spriggan instead of a turncoat if turncoat. If Mashima really only planned on him getting killed to show off Acnologia power?]]

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**** I'd like to point out that Urano Metria and Celestial Magics fall under the same category, in a sense, as they utilize the concept of Constellations (Celestial Wizards use the Zodiac Constellations, and Urano Metria utilizes 88 Constellations); one could also add that Heavenly Body Magic is also another sub-type of Celestial Object-type Magic (because all 3 utilize either stars or various other Celestial Object groupings (stuff like meteorites, black holes etc))



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*** Worth mentioning, that the reason Mavis died instead of Zeref, is because Mavis didn't offend the God of Life and Death, Ankhseram, but her Curse was an automated system caused by using the Law-category Magic without having mastered it 100%, whereas Zeref directly insulted Ankhseram by resurrecting Natsu, thus spitting on the very idea of the God of Life and Death; thus Zeref's Curse would have priority #1, compared to Mavis' Curse, which happens to anyone using Law without mastering it 100%.

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[[WMG:Why is Erza Fairy Tail's strongest wizzard?]]
I know she is stong and everything, but she is just 17! She hasn't go in many missions to gain this title!



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*** There is evidence to support the stamina idea, in the brief bit of training we see Natsu and Co do before the Grand Magic Games shows that they were training their magic strength as well as their physical limits. Wendy isn't even in her teens yet, so she can't last as long as other wizards when using magic constantly.



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*** The better question is why no one from Fairy Tail, Lamia Scale or Blue Pegasus reported what happened to the judges, heck one of the judges KNEW what was going on and did absolutely nothing about it. Lucy was doing the only thing she could do in that moment, Raven Tail attacked Wendy before the tournament began and targeted Juvia and Gray almost exclusively in Hidden. Flare also looks acts and sounds like a god damned crazy person so Lucy is justified in fearing that she might actually hurt Asca.


[[WMG: Why would the Vanish Brothers assume wizards are poor combatants? Wizard who mix it up in a tussle are the rule, not the exception; many of the most famous wizards in the series engage in melee combat, and the go to response of lower ranking wizards in the Phantom Guild and Eisenwald seems to be brute force. There's no reason for the stereotype of the frail wizard to exist in Fairy Tail.]]

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[[WMG: Why would the Vanish Brothers assume wizards are poor combatants? Wizard combatants?]]
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who mix it up in a tussle are the rule, not the exception; many of the most famous wizards in the series engage in melee combat, and the go to response of lower ranking wizards in the Phantom Guild and Eisenwald seems to be brute force. There's no reason for the stereotype of the frail wizard to exist in Fairy Tail.]]


*** I think it is because Phantom Lords' S-Class is really only the equivalent of Fairy Tail's A-Class. None of the Element 4 or Gajeel were as strong as Erza, much less Laxus, Mystogan, or freaking Gildarts. Totomaru is strong almost like Natsu, being defeated easily by the latter (and later put K.O. from a stealthy attack by Elfman and Gray) once he gets around the problem of using his flame. Sol was defeated by full body takeover Elfman pretty easily. Juvia was more or less equal to Gray. Aria managed to sneak attack Makarov and was owning Natsu, but was easily defeated by a weakened Erza (Natsu was probably losing because a) fire is weak to air and b) he couldn't summon his real power). Gajeel was about equal to Natsu, and he was the strongest in the guild.

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*** I think it is because Phantom Lords' S-Class is really only the equivalent of Fairy Tail's A-Class. None of the Element 4 or Gajeel were as strong as Erza, much less Laxus, Mystogan, or freaking Gildarts. Totomaru is strong almost like Natsu, being defeated easily by the latter (and later put K.O. from a stealthy attack by Elfman and Gray) once he gets around the problem of using his flame. Sol was defeated by full body takeover Elfman pretty easily. Juvia was more or less equal to Gray. Aria managed to sneak attack Makarov and was owning Natsu, but was easily defeated by a weakened Erza (Natsu was probably losing because a) fire is weak to air and b) he couldn't summon his real power). Gajeel was about equal to Natsu, and he was the strongest in the guild.


*** I think it is because Phantom Lords' S-Class is really only the equivalent of Fairy Tail's A-Class. None of the Element 4 or Gajeel were as strong as Erza, much less Laxus, Mystogan, or freaking Gildarts. The fire guy was pretty week, being defeated easily by Natsu once he gets around the problem of using his flame. Sol was defeated by full body takeover Elfman pretty easily. Juvia was about equal to Gray. Aria managed to sneak attack Makarov and was owning Natsu, but was easily defeated by a weakened Erza (Natsu was probably losing because a) fire is weak to air and b) he couldn't summon his real power). Gajeel was about equal to Natsu, and he was the strongest in the guild.

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*** I think it is because Phantom Lords' S-Class is really only the equivalent of Fairy Tail's A-Class. None of the Element 4 or Gajeel were as strong as Erza, much less Laxus, Mystogan, or freaking Gildarts. The fire guy was pretty week, Totomaru is strong almost like Natsu, being defeated easily by Natsu the latter (and later put K.O. from a stealthy attack by Elfman and Gray) once he gets around the problem of using his flame. Sol was defeated by full body takeover Elfman pretty easily. Juvia was about more or less equal to Gray. Aria managed to sneak attack Makarov and was owning Natsu, but was easily defeated by a weakened Erza (Natsu was probably losing because a) fire is weak to air and b) he couldn't summon his real power). Gajeel was about equal to Natsu, and he was the strongest in the guild.


So the team for the new TournamentArc is Natsu, Gray, Erza, Lucy, and Wendy. [[DeusExitMachina Laxus and Gajeel being too late to enter]] is understandable; shit happens. Why couldn't they get ahold of Gildarts? I'm sure he'd drop whatever he was doing to help out for a few days; despite never being around, he loves Fairy Tail and will do anything he can to help his guild. And Mira is readily available! Why doesn't she take Lucy's spot? Seriously, why is Lucy even there to begin with. Yeah, she's got enormous potential, but she is ''useless'' under pressure.

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So the team for the new TournamentArc is Natsu, Gray, Erza, Lucy, and Wendy. [[DeusExitMachina Laxus and Laxus, Gajeel and Mirajane being too late to enter]] is understandable; shit happens. Why couldn't they get ahold of Gildarts? I'm sure he'd drop whatever he was doing to help out for a few days; despite never being around, he loves Fairy Tail and will do anything he can to help his guild. And Mira Juvia is readily available! Why doesn't she take Lucy's Lucy or Wendy's spot? Seriously, why is Lucy and Wendy even there to begin with. Yeah, she's they's got enormous potential, but she Lucy is ''useless'' under pressure.pressure and Wendy is still a child who has just learned to fight. Also, why not consider equally strong magicians like Freed, Bickslow and Evergreen?


*** I am not blaming Lisanna, besides from pretending to be someone's dead sister, she did nothing wrong in adapting to her new life. I guess the best way to describe how I feel about what Edolas Mirajane and Elfman did would be saying they decided to live in a {{Lotus Eater Machine}} instead of the real world, and that always deeply disturbs me when that choice comes up and it's even considered. You are right though it is a subjective deal. Which is true for just about all {{it just bugs me}}.

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*** I am not blaming Lisanna, besides from pretending to be someone's dead sister, she did nothing wrong in adapting to her new life. I guess the best way to describe how I feel about what Edolas Mirajane and Elfman did would be saying they decided to live in a {{Lotus Eater Machine}} LotusEaterMachine instead of the real world, and that always deeply disturbs me when that choice comes up and it's even considered. You are right though it is a subjective deal. Which is true for just about all {{it just bugs me}}.


*** Well therein lies the crux of your problems, kiddo. You're in the JustBugsMe page. Take your act to the WMG if you want a better reception.

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*** Well therein lies the crux of your problems, kiddo. You're in the JustBugsMe Headscratchers page. Take your act to the WMG if you want a better reception.


** Acnologia wasn't the only Dragon Slayer running around 400 years ago, just the most prolific. No one ever said he killed all the dragons by himself, let alone that he took them on all at once and killed them with ease. [[spoiler: And in the Tartaros arc he had his arm torn off by a weakened Igneel, so while he could probably take on multiple weaker dragons, 10,000 all under Future Rogue's control would be far too many based on what we know of him.]]

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** Acnologia wasn't the only Dragon Slayer running around 400 years ago, just the most prolific. No one ever said he killed all the dragons by himself, let alone that he took them on all at once and killed them with ease. [[spoiler: And in the Tartaros arc he had his arm torn off by a weakened Igneel, so while he could probably take on multiple weaker dragons, 10,000 all under Future Rogue's control would be far too many based on what we know of him.him.
** The eclipse gate could be used ONLY if one person in the past opened the gate and one in the present or future does the same as [[spoiler: Anna (past) and Layla (present/future?) did.]] so [[spoiler: future rogue]] opened the gate here. how the fuck did he get someone from the past to open the gate for him?[[spoiler: Anna heartfillia has a book for her decendants explaining that someone in x777 has to open the gate for her. Future rogue does not]] Answer this Hiro Mashima.
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