History Headscratchers / Ben10AlienForce

* Is it just me, or do the writers sometimes have this show confused with ''Series/TeenTitans''? Half the time, Kevin's tyring to pull off the TroubledButCute look; the other half, he's a dork making corny one-liners like [[GregCipes Beast Boy]]. Gwen's powers are basically a pink version of Raven's, and Darkstar's look ''exactly'' like Raven's.

** When the 'Trix wasn't used for five years it rebooted, with another random assortment of aliens.

** From what I've seen of Greg Cipes, that would be the drugs. Pure Californian weed, tofu and soy beans, baby...

* Is it just me, or do the writers sometimes have this show confused with ''TeenTitans''? Half the time, Kevin's tyring to pull off the TroubledButCute look; the other half, he's a dork making corny one-liners like [[GregCipes Beast Boy]]. Gwen's powers are basically a pink version of Raven's, and Darkstar's look ''exactly'' like Raven's.

*** Jossed. Anyone visiting the Ben 10 booth at the 2007 San Diego Comic Con could be told that Kevin would be the third main character of the sequel series, before more than 3 episodes of the 4th season had aired.

*** Jossed. Anyone visiting the Manofaction booth at the 2007 San Diego Comic Con could be told that Kevin would be the third main character, before more than 3 episodes of the 4th season had aired.

** Just because you think a complaint is just whining doesn't mean it is.
** Unfortunately, most of the complaints ''are'' whining. Star Trek and Star Wars have the "benefit" of being decades old and having multiple generations of fans, which logically leads to complaints about how things weren't as good as they used to be. Nostalgia goggles over thirty years at least makes sense even if it's not right. Here we've got people nostalgia'd out over a show not yet five years old. Take a look on this page- how many serious links can you find to [[TheyJustDidntCare TheyJustDidn'tCare]], TheyChangedItNowItSucks, and other tropes of that ilk? I lost count. By the way, I checked out further up on the page, and there's another person asking about the bitterness. The first complaints included a statement that the sequels had all of the weaknesses and none of the strengths of the original (translation: "it has nothing good at all about it") and says "every episode deserves its own Just Bugs Me page." Uh, what? I've watched some of the original. I've watched some of Alien Force and Ultimate Alien. I'm not a religious fan, but I honestly thought every episode had its ups and downs. I read summaries online for what I missed, and read up on character bios to find out backgrounds. There are plenty of continuity errors and occasional character twists in the original as well, and stuff that was AllThereInTheManual. Not only that, but apparently characters who were young children are not allowed to change ''at all'' in a span of five years without cries of massive character derailment (which is certainly ''not'' truth in television, people really can change quite a bit). Now I came here to read a little more about the show since I was linked to it, but here I find stuff that equates to "I hate it! I'm going to watch every episode so I can complain about it even more!" Why is that necessary? It just seems so... wasteful. Just... why bother? I haven't seen a decent reason for that yet, why they feel so obligated to keep watching if they're convinced it's irredeemable, and why they can't let the people who genuinely ''do'' like it have fun, and not cause the people who are neutral toward it like me just read the thing and make their own decision without some sort of vitriol every couple sentences. It certainly makes me want to stay away from the franchise if the fandom is like this as a whole and this isn't just an unusually large gathering here on this site, and I guess that's true for others as well.
*** ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow is a trope, too. You've got an awful lot of vitriol aimed at what you perceive is vitriol from others. And it's so full of [[StrawFan strawmen]] that I don't see any point in addressing them all.

** And God forbid you should like ''Alien Force'' and/or ''Ultimate Alien'' without really liking the original. I know neither series is perfect and has genuine flaws that sometimes need to be adressed, but the first series could be incredibly annoying too. The chracters themselves can come off as rather obnoxious, especially if you started on ''Alien Force'' and then go back to watch ''Ben 10.''

**** Agreed with the above statement. Yes, ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' hate can, like anything, [[HateDumb reach an unreasonable extreme]], but on the whole, alot of the complaints are justified and warrant expressing.

** Not to mention the ethical questions - is that bestiality / zoophilia ? Even if they are sentient, can we really force an unborn lifeform to be the first hybrid of its kind ? Even if the genetics combine readily - maybe the Ben 10 universe was populated by panspermia and the species simply evolved into different end products ? Also, most of the plumber kids were at least hybridized with the HUMANOID alien species (Stinkfly/Human OTP ?), and those who seem to have a comparable biochemistry (i.e. carbon based; please tell me there isn't a Petrosapien hybrid ((Diamondhead)) ) - so there should be a basic compatibility, assuming that the DNA structure is the same amongst all species (and since several million species on earth have the same basic DNA structure, it seems to be IRL.) Yeah, [[{{Zelnor}} this Troper]] has taken his biochemistry serious. [[TvTropesWillRuinYourLife TVTropes have ruined his life]] sometimes, but he lives ForScience anyways. And questions cartoon ethics, biology, etc.

*** Most likely there IS no difference between alien and human energy. Power is power, and ThisTroper has a suspicion that alien energy IS magical energy.

* Why has Gwen never made use of all the martial arts skills she has? Come on, she's a freakin' BLACK BELT, and she never uses it to defend herself against the DNAliens. This would have saved her butt in "Undercover".

*** WHich makes more sense, matter is just an organzed form of energy and as he got older his Main/PubertySuperpower s kicked in and he was able to use matter.

*** The problem is, he got his by stealing everyone else's. Sort of like Peter Petrelli. [[EurekaMoment Which explains everything to]] [[{{Zelnor}} me]][[EurekaMoment , now.]]

****** I'm assuming you've read the WordOfGod page, which lists the reasons that you were asking about? You linked to it, after all. Or read just about any of the Chekhov pages for the importance of foreshadowing things. Or [[=~Schrodinger's Gun~=]] for how facts that have not been revealed are not always finalized. But if you seriously want yet another reason, there's the fact that, if information is necessary to enjoy a work, it needs to be present in the work.

***** The DNAlien zap was more of a destruction of the Xenocyte that was affecting the humans on a (presumably) genetic level, destroying it without harming the human underneath. The Highbreed change was an infusion of random DNA samples into the genes of the specified aliens. Presumably, targeted obliteration of the Xenocytes was more taxing and inefficient then the random DNA mix (which was only usable after regulating all of the available power to said wave, mind).

*** Quick note about original form cameos: I count eight, actually; three from Ben (Cannonbolt, Upchuck, WayBig), five from other chracters (Alan, Helen, Manny, Azmuth, Ship).

** Who says there's even a story to ''abandon?'' Season 3 has just been random one-shot after one-shot. Is it that hard to craft an A-story, ex. Ghostfreak violently fusing with Vilgax ala Venom to become an even '''more''' dangerous planet-crushing overlord while addressing plot holes such as Kevin meeting his real father while rescuing planets and finding a [[StarWars Kamino]] style planet that handles the [[HotSkittyonWailordAction Hot Pyronite on Human Action]] via clone tubes or something. Hell, throw in Albedo as a [[TheStarscream loose cannon]] working as an [[EvilutionaryBiologist.]] Since this show is already an homage/spiritual sequel to Super Robot Monkey... it might as well finish how that series ''would've'' ended.

* Is it just me or does it seem like the people involved in ''Alien Force'' and ''[[Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]''--Dwayne McDuffie included--didn't actually watch an episode of the [[BenTen original series]] at all before working on the sequel shows? Or if they did, it wasn't every many episodes. Here's why I think this.

*** Not sure, but Dwayne McDuffie did confirm that Man of Action (creators of Ben 10) don't actually work on the new shows, which explains ''alot''.

** This troper thinks the voice acting for Alien Force suffered a hell of a lot. Most of the actors sound like they don't know the plot and are being told to read the lines off of the street. Ben's actor seems to be the only one who actually seems to care, despite how his character doesn't require a lot of emotion due to how Ben is now a massive wuss.

*** ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow is a trope, too. You've got an awful lot of vitriol aimed at what you perceive is vitriol from others. And it's so full of CriticalResearchFailures that I don't see any point in addressing them all.

* It bugs me how that, though we never seen him again, there were a number of occasions to that Ben could have used Alien X. I can understand that he doesn't want to use it again, but if he figured out how to cooperate with the Voices, he could have won not only the battle against the Highbreed but Vilgax as well. Seriously, Alien X haves the abilities to stop the Highbreed and could mop the floor with Vilgax, but Ben didn't use him for any of these events.