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** This troper always assumed that Ben and Gwen bringing back a birthday from the future for Grandpa's birthday undid a ForWantOfANail scenario, with the cake being the "nail."

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** This troper always assumed that Ben and Gwen bringing back a birthday from the future for Grandpa's birthday undid a ForWantOfANail for-want-of-a-nail scenario, with the cake being the "nail."
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* Ben disappointed about not getting Humungousaur is understandable if he needs someone strong but gets someone like Jetray or Spidermonkey. But why does he get upset about getting Rath or Armodrillo? They're not Humungousaur, but still a big strong punchy alien, in line with Ben's preferences.
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* How exactly did the Highbreed go sterile? Sure, they didn't breed with other species but there are plenty of real-life species that don't breed with others, yet don't got extinct.
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* If Ben 10 alien force is suppose to be a sequel to Ben 10 why has so much changed? In the pilot episode of alien force we see Ben playing soccer, where in the previous series he always wanted to play baseball. Second thing in the last episode of Ben 10, Vilgax returns Targeting Ben's house in order to lure him out, forcing Ben to reveal the secret of the Omnitrix to not only his parents but to the school bullies at his local school in Bellwood. Now fast forward to ''Alien Force,'' while the show references the original series quite a few times, many things have been altered, why does Ben's parents forget about the Omnitrix along with Ben's childhood school bullies who literally witnessed him go hero in the final episode of the original series? Has the timeline been altered in alien force?
** Surprised no one's answered this one by now. These are easily answered if you do some thinking and digging on the Ben 10 Wiki. 1. It's been 5 years. Ben could've taken up an interest in Soccer in that time, or he could've done Baseball for a while, then switched when he grew bored of it or wanted to try something different, or he could've done both, but we're never shown him playing Baseball during the season it would be played in (late Spring to late Summer/late Fall for most high schools, I believe). Take your pick of the most plausible. 2. The last episode of Ben 10 is non-canon. Ben 10 had several non-canon episodes in season 3. The episode where Gwen got the Omnitrix is a simple 'what-if' scenario, for instance, that has no standing anywhere else. Then there's the episode that took place in the world of Ben 10,000 that we saw in that series. Hell, even ''Race Against Time'' showed Ben, Gwen, Max, and others from the series in school after the Summer, yet this wasn't canon either (each of these episodes later got acknowledged as alternate timelines in ''Ultimate Alien,'' however). So, the last episode of that series isn't canon.

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* If Ben 10 alien force is suppose supposed to be a sequel to Ben 10 ''Ben 10'', why has so much changed? In the pilot episode of alien force we see Ben playing soccer, where in the previous series he always wanted to play baseball. Second thing thing: in the last episode of Ben 10, ''Ben 10'', Vilgax returns Targeting Ben's house in order to lure him out, forcing Ben to reveal the secret of the Omnitrix to not only his parents but to the school bullies at his local school in Bellwood. Now fast forward to ''Alien Force,'' while the show references the original series quite a few times, many things have been altered, why does do Ben's parents forget about the Omnitrix along with Ben's childhood school bullies who literally witnessed him go hero in the final episode of the original series? Has the timeline been altered in alien force?
''Alien Force''?
** Surprised no one's answered this one by now. These are easily answered if you do some thinking and digging on the Ben 10 ''Ben 10'' Wiki. 1. It's been 5 years. Ben could've taken up an interest in Soccer in that time, or he could've done Baseball for a while, then switched when he grew bored of it or wanted to try something different, or he could've done both, but we're never shown him playing Baseball during the season it would be played in (late Spring to late Summer/late Fall for most high schools, I believe). Take your pick of the most plausible. 2. The last episode of Ben 10 is non-canon. Ben 10 had several non-canon episodes in season 3. The episode where Gwen got the Omnitrix is a simple 'what-if' scenario, for instance, that has no standing anywhere else. Then there's the episode that took place in the world of Ben 10,000 that we saw in that series. Hell, even ''Race Against Time'' showed Ben, Gwen, Max, and others from the series in school after the Summer, yet this wasn't canon either (each of these episodes later got acknowledged as alternate timelines in ''Ultimate Alien,'' however). So, the last episode of that series isn't canon.
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* In "Singlehanded", where at the moment, only Ben's hand is present, Gwen suggests that Julie transforms it into Humungousaur while Kevin suggests Swampfire. While Swampfire's hand makes sense, since it can shoot fire blasts, what good would Humungousaur's hand do? Julie isn't physically strong enough to really use it as a battering weapon, so the usefulness of a Humungousaur hand seems quite minimal.
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** Maybe it's in the same state as [[TheSimpsons Springfield]].

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** [[WhereTheHellIsSpringfield Maybe it's in the same state as [[TheSimpsons Springfield]].
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** Not to mention the ethical questions - is that bestiality / zoophilia ? Even if they are sentient, can we really force an unborn lifeform to be the first hybrid of its kind ? Even if the genetics combine readily - maybe the Ben 10 universe was populated by panspermia and the species simply evolved into different end products ? Also, most of the plumber kids were at least hybridized with the HUMANOID alien species (Stinkfly/Human OTP ?), and those who seem to have a comparable biochemistry (i.e. carbon based; please tell me there isn't a Petrosapien hybrid ((Diamondhead)) ) - so there should be a basic compatibility, assuming that the DNA structure is the same amongst all species (and since several million species on earth have the same basic DNA structure, it seems to be IRL.) Yeah, [[@/{{Zelnor}} this Troper]] has taken his biochemistry serious. [[TvTropesWillRuinYourLife TVTropes have ruined his life]] sometimes, but he lives ForScience anyways. And questions cartoon ethics, biology, etc.

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** Not to mention the ethical questions - is that bestiality / zoophilia ? Even if they are sentient, can we really force an unborn lifeform to be the first hybrid of its kind ? Even if the genetics combine readily - maybe the Ben 10 universe was populated by panspermia and the species simply evolved into different end products ? Also, most of the plumber kids were at least hybridized with the HUMANOID alien species (Stinkfly/Human OTP ?), and those who seem to have a comparable biochemistry (i.e. carbon based; please tell me there isn't a Petrosapien hybrid ((Diamondhead)) ) - so there should be a basic compatibility, assuming that the DNA structure is the same amongst all species (and since several million species on earth have the same basic DNA structure, it seems to be IRL.) Yeah, [[@/{{Zelnor}} this Troper]] has taken his biochemistry serious. [[TvTropesWillRuinYourLife [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife TVTropes have ruined his life]] sometimes, but he lives ForScience anyways. And questions cartoon ethics, biology, etc.
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* How did the aliens escape from the Omnitrix when Ben breaks it? And later in Ultimate Alien the Ultimate forms become sentient and break free from the Omnitrix. Aren't they just DNA samples? How did they get a physical body? I'd excuse Ghostfreak due to him being a gaseous intangible and presumably immaterial being, but the rest are just genetic samples that re-shape Ben's body and thus shouldn't be able to exist apart from Ben. Is this implying that the Omnitrix is a parallel pocket dimension containing full-bodied aliens? Especially considering Ben has found ''himself'' inside it once.
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* We see in War of the Worlds that the Highbreed were operating pretty much everywhere, trying to take down everyone at once, so why, in "Darkstar" did the Magister not recognize them? Are Ben's crew the only people to have actually find out whose running the DNAliens?
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* In Kevin's big score Vulkanus had his men mining Taydenite off Kevin's back. Taydenite is practically indistructible... How is this possible?
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*** I'm actually fairly sure that the Omnitrix IS a Plumber's badge, but modified. It does, after all, act like one.
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* In "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" we finally get to meet Gwen's parents. Her father, Max's son Frank, has brown eyes. Her mother Natalie has blue eyes. Now I want you to go and look up some eye color inheritance charts - the simplified ones for expectant parents, the complex ones for actual geneticists, doesn't matter. The chances of a green-eyed child like Gwen coming from one blue-eyed parent and one brown-eyed parent are ''supposed'' to be 0%. Now, there's always the chance of some freak genetic accident or some super-recessive genes suddenly resurfacing after several generations... but that chance is so infinitesimally low that even the tables used by actual geneticists usually label it as simply being zero.
** Not trying to imply cheating with this, mind you - because Gwen inherited Verdona's powers, we can be completely certain that that she's Frank's daughter. It's just... incredibly unlikely.
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* Why did the Omnitrix reset lock out the original aliens? Never mind it being a cheap excuse for Swampfire and [=EchoEcho=] to even exist...

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* Why did the Omnitrix reset lock out the original aliens? Never mind it being a cheap excuse for Swampfire and [=EchoEcho=] to even exist...aliens?
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*** That was asexual, and generally considering how Alien Force, despite saying that Ben "dramatically matured", screws everything over even worse then its source material. It's not really rape so much as having a wet dream.

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*** That was asexual, and generally considering how Alien Force, despite saying that Ben "dramatically matured", screws everything over even worse then its source material.asexual. It's not really rape so much as having a wet dream.
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* Remember when on the original series, Season 3 Episode 12 (Be Afraid of the Dark), Ghostfreak was defeated and scanned back to the Omnitrix? Then, how the hell did he escaped again and was arrested on Alien Force Season 3 Episode 10 (Ghost Town), then was scanned back once more as if nothing happened on the original series?
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*** [[spoiler: As of OV, thanks to the Rooters retcon and Kevin's powers, this is indeed the way how Alan's hybrid status was made possible.]]
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** Max was retired at that point, no need to really follow up without any evidence of wrongdoing. And BadassGrandpa though he may be, he's in his 60's by this point; while he's not so old as to have one foot in the grave, it isn't unreasonable for him to have died of natural causes, either. Maybe the plumbers just assumed he got into a car accident or something.

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** Max was retired at that point, no need to really follow up without any evidence of wrongdoing. And BadassGrandpa badass though he may be, he's in his 60's by this point; while he's not so old as to have one foot in the grave, it isn't unreasonable for him to have died of natural causes, either. Maybe the plumbers just assumed he got into a car accident or something.
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** Max was retired at that point, no need to really follow up without any evidence of wrongdoing. And BadassGrandpa though he may be, he's in his 60's by this point; while he's not so old as to have one foot in the grave, it isn't unreasonable for him to have died of natural causes, either. Maybe the plumbers just assumed he got into a car accident or something.
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** A video by someone on YouTube put context clues together from all of the shows, and the ''Generator Rex'' crossover, that are given to conclude that Bellwood is located in New York State.

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** A video by someone on YouTube [=YouTube=] put context clues together from all of the shows, and the ''Generator Rex'' crossover, that are given to conclude that Bellwood is located in New York State.
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** However,t here ''is'' a distinct difference between The Doctor and Paradox. Paradox has a map in his head, as Ben stated in Paradox's first episode, of time. He, really, only gets involved in things when he should, hence why he doesn't influence the outcome of the events of the season 2 finale of this show. If you think about it, all he did was made sure Azmuth didn't die and was able to help out the main heroes. He himself didn't do much other than fight the [[=DNaliens=]] either because he knew Ben would win the outcome. So, he kicked off everything, but didn't do much else. He'd rather the people that can handle things themselves do it. Also, The Doctor does more than just observe time and space. He gets involved more proactively. Paradox works more behind the scenes, unless a problem is too big for him to ignore. ''Ultimate Alien'' shows this more effectively in the "Ben 10,000 Returns" episode, where he enlists the main trio, plus a version of Ben 10,000 to defeat Eon and prevent him from doing more cross-time traveling and rewrite reality to suit his needs. Paradox says that he can't interfere unless things get ''so'' bad that he can't not do anything, so he has the others help him. I don't get what kind of higher-ups he answers to, or why they're so picky on what he can do, but that's how he operates. Sorry if it doesn't make sense, but Paradox is that kind of character.

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** However,t here However, there ''is'' a distinct difference between The Doctor and Paradox. Paradox has a map in his head, as Ben stated in Paradox's first episode, of time. He, really, only gets involved in things when he should, hence why he doesn't influence the outcome of the events of the season 2 finale of this show. If you think about it, all he did was made sure Azmuth didn't die and was able to help out the main heroes. He himself didn't do much other than fight the [[=DNaliens=]] either because he knew Ben would win the outcome. So, he kicked off everything, but didn't do much else. He'd rather the people that can handle things themselves do it. Also, The Doctor does more than just observe time and space. He gets involved more proactively. Paradox works more behind the scenes, unless a problem is too big for him to ignore. ''Ultimate Alien'' shows this more effectively in the "Ben 10,000 Returns" episode, where he enlists the main trio, plus a version of Ben 10,000 to defeat Eon and prevent him from doing more cross-time traveling and rewrite reality to suit his needs. Paradox says that he can't interfere unless things get ''so'' bad that he can't not do anything, so he has the others help him. I don't get what kind of higher-ups he answers to, or why they're so picky on what he can do, but that's how he operates. Sorry if it doesn't make sense, but Paradox is that kind of character.

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** However,t here ''is'' a distinct difference between The Doctor and Paradox. Paradox has a map in his head, as Ben stated in Paradox's first episode, of time. He, really, only gets involved in things when he should, hence why he doesn't influence the outcome of the events of the season 2 finale of this show. If you think about it, all he did was made sure Azmuth didn't die and was able to help out the main heroes. He himself didn't do much other than fight the [[=DNaliens=]] either because he knew Ben would win the outcome. So, he kicked off everything, but didn't do much else. He'd rather the people that can handle things themselves do it. Also, The Doctor does more than just observe time and space. He gets involved more proactively. Paradox works more behind the scenes, unless a problem is too big for him to ignore. ''Ultimate Alien'' shows this more effectively in the "Ben 10,000 Returns" episode, where he enlists the main trio, plus a version of Ben 10,000 to defeat Eon and prevent him from doing more cross-time traveling and rewrite reality to suit his needs. Paradox says that he can't interfere unless things get ''so'' bad that he can't not do anything, so he has the others help him. I don't get what kind of higher-ups he answers to, or why they're so picky on what he can do, but that's how he operates. Sorry if it doesn't make sense, but Paradox is that kind of character.
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** Where did you hear/read that "Secret of the Omnitrix's" ending wasn't canon? "Secret of the Omnitrix" is canon. The only noncanon episodes of the original series are the second Ben 10,000 episode, the last episode, and the "Gwen 10" episode. Plus ''Race Against Time,'' but that's a movie. "Secret of the Omnitrix" was originally planned to be the series finale until it got more episodes, and, I think, was aired out of order originally. However, the series continued passed it for another season or so. Everything important in it is shown again in not only the sequel shows and the later ''Destroy All Aliens'' movie. So, yeah, it's canon.

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** Where did you hear/read that "Secret of the Omnitrix's" ending wasn't canon? "Secret of the Omnitrix" is canon. The only noncanon episodes of the original series are the second Ben 10,000 episode, the last episode, and the "Gwen 10" episode. Plus ''Race Against Time,'' but that's a movie. "Secret of the Omnitrix" was originally planned to be the series finale until it got more episodes, and, I think, was aired out of order originally. However, the series continued passed it for another season or so. Everything important in it is shown again in not only the sequel shows and shows, but also the later ''Destroy All Aliens'' movie. So, yeah, it's canon.

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** Paradox did it.... * Shudders at a sudden thought* I pray that isn't the real excuse. With all these changes to Ben's life, he's starting to come off as a scary pedophile stalker.
** That's stupid, Paradox didn't do a damn thing except explain that there was an Multiverse in "Ben 10,000.

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** Paradox did it.... * Shudders *Shudders at a sudden thought* I pray that isn't the real excuse. With all these changes to Ben's life, he's starting to come off as a scary pedophile stalker.
*** Wait, what? Don't insult the man. He's a time traveler who's an expy of The Doctor, not a stalker or pedophile. What the hell is wrong with you? He also didn't change anything in Ben's life.
** That's stupid, Paradox didn't do a damn thing except explain that there was an a Multiverse in "Ben 10,000.
10,000 Returns".
** They're more of 'what-if' stories. Season 3 of the original series had at least 3 noncanon episodes, including the finale, plus ''Race Against Time.'' Even when it aired, I knew that the actual finale of the series wasn't how things developed because of this series' promos hyping up that it was 5 years later and Ben was coming out of retirement to be a hero again. The one thing some people are apparently confused about is "Race Against Time" for some reason. That movie was originally supposed to be the series finale of the original show, but it continued on after it, plus I think it was aired out of production order. It's good that it did too, since it was kinda underwhelming as a series finale, in all honesty.

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