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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's... [[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were strangulations.]] What does this mean for the kid? He was probably hanging there for ''hours'', unless the executioners were willing to yank on his feet
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's... [[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were strangulations.]] What does this mean for the kid? He was probably hanging there for ''hours'', unless the executioners were willing to yank on his feet]]
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** Actually, they all did. The "long drop" method of hanging(the one which breaks your neck) wasn't invented until the late 1800's...[[FridgeHorror which means that about 90 percent of all historical hangings were strangulations.]]
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** Didn't Barbossa make it pretty clear that they didn't know that the treasure was cursed or simply didn't believe in the curse until they had spent almost all of the treasure, while at least implying that they had thrown Bootstrap Bill overboard before they had figured it out? Why else would they do it at all? They do spend the next eight years desperately searching for his child while presumably kicking themselves for 'killing' Bootstrap Bill.
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* There are at least two moments of implied InUniverse FridgeBrilliance in {{Curse}} and {{World's End}}:
** In {{Curse}}, as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** In {{World's End}}, there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
** In {{Curse}}, as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** In {{World's End}}, there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
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** In{{Curse}}, ''Curse'', as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** In{{World's End}}, ''World's End'', there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
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* There are at least two moments of implied InUniverse FridgeBrilliance in [[Curse]] and [[World's End]]:
** In [[Curse]], as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** In World's End, there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
** In [[Curse]], as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** In World's End, there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
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** In[[Curse]], {{Curse}}, as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** InWorld's End, {{World's End}}, there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
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* There are at least two moments of implied InUniverse FridgeBrilliance in [[Curse]] and [[World's End]]:
** In [[Curse]], as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** In World's End, there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
** In [[Curse]], as Jack palms the cursed coin, Will is watching intently and has a brief look of realisation. As he's not surprised at all when Jack later frees him and is also cursed, this is presumably the point at which he worked out what Jack's plan was. Supported by his instant, if clandestine, support of Jack's negotiations with Barbossa.
** In World's End, there's a similar moment between Jack and Will whilst meeting with Beckett and Davy Jones. When Elizabeth tells Will that freeing his father is a lost cause, Will replies that "No cause is lost, so long as there's one fool left to fight it", and glances significantly at Jack, who grins back - Again, Will's worked it out and is offering help.
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*** The parrot and monkey were both unharmed in that scene, and it's definitely been a while since Blackbeard took out the Pearl. It's vaguely possible that the crew just haven't eaten through their stores of food, and thus haven't resorted to carving up a parrot and undead monkey for one last morsel before they starve, but this troper thinks it's more likely that the ship-in-a-bottle spell sustains the crew indefinitely. Think about it. If this is the case, and Blackbeard ever needs to open up one of those bottles (say, if he needed a replacement for the Queen Anne's Revenge), then he'll have a serviceable crew and the ship will still have food and water supplies. On the other hand, if the crew's bodily functions weren't put on hold, Blackbeard would have a ship with no crew, no food, and no water. Even if he could animate the dead crew as zombies without a need for sustenance, he still needs to eat. And Blackbeard seems like the kind of guy who'd plan ahead like this, so this troper says the crew are alive and well. If bored out of their skulls...
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*** Given that this is Jack, is it surprising he would fake a permanent case of sea-legs? In fights he seems to be moving normally, except for when he would benefit from sea-legs.
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* OnStrangerTides actually has a damn good reason for failing the BenchdelTest. It used to aggravate this Tropper, that Angelica never speak with Syrena; with Syrena being the only other female in the expedition, and a mermaid to boot, one would think Angelica would be eager to get to know her. But given Angelica's background, there are plenty of reasons she wouldn't want to. In the 1600s, mermaids are still creatures out of horror stories, not yet turned into whimsical fairy tale creatures that little girls would dream of being or meeting (Hans Christian Andersen's "TheLittleMermaid" won't be written for a couple more centuries yet). Even after Syrena proves to be different from her more vicious sisters, Angelica's background gives her reason for avoiding conversing with Syrena. As a devout Catholic in the 1600s and an almost-nun, Angelica may view the mermaids as creatures of sin, since their soul purpose for interacting with humans involves tempting men's sexual desires.
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* OnStrangerTides actually has a damn good reason for failing the BenchdelTest. It used to aggravate this Tropper, that Angelica never speak with Syrena; with Syrena being the only other female in the expedition, and a mermaid to boot, one would think Angelica would be eager to get to know her. But given Angelica's background, there are plenty of reasons she wouldn't want to. In the 1600s, mermaids are still creatures out of horror stories, not yet turned into whimsical fairy tale creatures that little girls would dream of being or meeting (Hans Christian Andersen's "TheLittleMermaid" "Literature/TheLittleMermaid" won't be written for a couple more centuries yet). Even after Syrena proves to be different from her more vicious sisters, Angelica's background gives her reason for avoiding conversing with Syrena. As a devout Catholic in the 1600s and an almost-nun, Angelica may view the mermaids as creatures of sin, since their soul purpose for interacting with humans involves tempting men's sexual desires.
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*** Bear in mind that there is no moral way to use the Fountain of Youth. It requires you to murder or duel someone, and at most it'll buy you 120 years before you have to do it again. Avoiding death won't be so cool come Judgment Day when Christ judges the living and the dead, consigning unrepentant murderers to fiery Gehenna for all eternity.
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*** Bear in mind that there is no moral way to use the Fountain of Youth. It requires you to murder or duel someone, and at most it'll buy you 120 years before you have to do it again. Avoiding death won't be so cool come Judgment Day when Christ judges the living and the dead, consigning unrepentant murderers to a fiery Gehenna Hell for all eternity.
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** Not to mention that, until she became attached enough to Philip to talk to him, everyone including Angelica probably didn't think Syrena ''could'' speak humans' language.
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language. By the time she started demonstrating a capacity for speech, she'd already been abused enough that she wouldn't have spoken civilly with any of her captors, male or female.
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* After you've seen "Dead Man's Chest", now you know the basical tactic of Kraken (grab the hull, kill with tentacles the crew, drag the ship underwater). You realize (just as Will probably did, and later Jack too) that when Will stepped on what he believed was the Dutchman, the Kraken was just feet under him, still holding the hull and... playing with the corpses, momentarily calm and waiting. Just. Some. Feet.
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*** Bare in mind that there is no moral way to use the Fountain of Youth. It requires you to murder or duel someone, and at most it'll buy you 120 years before you have to do it again. Avoiding death won't be so cool come Judgment Day when Christ judges the living and the dead, consigning unrepentant murderers to fiery Gehenna for all eternity.
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*** Bare Bear in mind that there is no moral way to use the Fountain of Youth. It requires you to murder or duel someone, and at most it'll buy you 120 years before you have to do it again. Avoiding death won't be so cool come Judgment Day when Christ judges the living and the dead, consigning unrepentant murderers to fiery Gehenna for all eternity.
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** Alternately, they each knew her well enough personally now that they simply didn't buy it. Will's engaged to her, Jack's been hanging out with her on a pirate ship (as well as an equally hot and brutal island the movie before), and Norrington's ''already seen that trick once.''
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** Hell, the ''entire song'' is brilliant. It pretty much outlines the entire plot.
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---> ''' ''And bound her in her bones'' '''
---> ''The seas be ours...''
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'''[[note]][[spoiler:Sealed Calypso into her human form, Tia Dalma]][[/note]]
---> ''The seas beours...''
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---> ''And by the powers''
---> ''Where we will, we'll roam'' [[note]](Human) pirates wanted full control of the seas, as later referenced by Barbossa.[[/note]]
---> ''Some have died''
---> ''And some are alive''
---> ''Others sail on the sea'' [[note]]Referring to pirates as a whole. The third line ''may'' refer to pirates who are neither dead nor fully alive - examples being the cursed crew in the first movie and Davy Jones's henchmen in the second and third... and perhaps foreshadowing (if unintentionally) Blackbeard's zombies in Movie 4.[[/note]]
---> ''With the keys to the cage'' [[note]]The nine Pieces of Eight are the "keys" needed to release Calypso from her human "cage"[[/note]]
---> ''And the Devil to pay'' [[note]]Davy Jones is referred to as "The Devil", and Jack, of course, owed him a debt of service. And as for several other characters, it could refer to the desire to pay Jones back (i.e. revenge) for the havoc his presence has created.[[/note]]
---> ''We lay to Fiddler's Green'' [[note]]Refers to the mythical pirate paradise - think the exact opposite of Davy Jones' Locker. Shipwreck Cove is implied to be the world's last pirate haven - run by pirates, only for pirates.[[/note]]
---> ''The bell has been raised from its watery grave''
---> ''Hear its sepuchral tone'' [[note]]The Brethren Court is being called together for the first time in several decades.[[/note]]
---> ''A call to all, pay heed the squall'' [[note]]The overall "squall" of the conflict between the Pirates and the EITC. Also serves as {{Foreshadowing}} to the final battle being fought in a maelstrom, which is a type of squall.[[/note]]
---> ''Turn your sails to home'' [[note]]If you're not prepared to pick a side, it's best to keep clear of the situation[[/note]]
---> ''The seas be
---> ''And by the powers''
---> ''Where we will, we'll roam'' [[note]](Human) pirates wanted full control of the seas, as later referenced by Barbossa.[[/note]]
---> ''Some have died''
---> ''And some are alive''
---> ''Others sail on the sea'' [[note]]Referring to pirates as a whole. The third line ''may'' refer to pirates who are neither dead nor fully alive - examples being the cursed crew in the first movie and Davy Jones's henchmen in the second and third... and perhaps foreshadowing (if unintentionally) Blackbeard's zombies in Movie 4.[[/note]]
---> ''With the keys to the cage'' [[note]]The nine Pieces of Eight are the "keys" needed to release Calypso from her human "cage"[[/note]]
---> ''And the Devil to pay'' [[note]]Davy Jones is referred to as "The Devil", and Jack, of course, owed him a debt of service. And as for several other characters, it could refer to the desire to pay Jones back (i.e. revenge) for the havoc his presence has created.[[/note]]
---> ''We lay to Fiddler's Green'' [[note]]Refers to the mythical pirate paradise - think the exact opposite of Davy Jones' Locker. Shipwreck Cove is implied to be the world's last pirate haven - run by pirates, only for pirates.[[/note]]
---> ''The bell has been raised from its watery grave''
---> ''Hear its sepuchral tone'' [[note]]The Brethren Court is being called together for the first time in several decades.[[/note]]
---> ''A call to all, pay heed the squall'' [[note]]The overall "squall" of the conflict between the Pirates and the EITC. Also serves as {{Foreshadowing}} to the final battle being fought in a maelstrom, which is a type of squall.[[/note]]
---> ''Turn your sails to home'' [[note]]If you're not prepared to pick a side, it's best to keep clear of the situation[[/note]]
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** Think over it, who was really worse? Governments kept slaves, took high taxes(and probably took payment in various disgusting ways), excecuted people with other ideals, religions and opinions… if you look carefully is one of Blackbeard's men wearing a turban, so, in that case shows that he's okay with other religions as long as they don't try to force it onto him, like the priests did. But then the Spaniards destroy anything related to other beliefs, and the English wasn't probably much better. I think the only good people at the time where farmers and fishermen whom kept the others alive while being treated like crap..!
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* OnStrangerTides actually has a damn good reason for failing the BenchdelTest. It used to aggravate this Tropper, that Angelica never speak with Syrena; with Syrena being the only other female in the expedition, and a mermaid to boot, one would think Angelica would be eager to get to know her. But given Angelica's background, there are plenty of reasons she wouldn't want to. In the 1600s, mermaids are still creatures out of horror stories, not yet turned into whimsical fairy tale creatures that little girls would dream of being or meeting (Hans Christian Andersen's "TheLittleMermaid" won't be written for a couple more centuries yet). Even after Syrena proves to be different from her more vicious sisters, Angelica's background gives her reason for avoiding conversing with Syrena. As a devout Catholic in the 1600s and an almost-nun, Angelica may view the mermaids as creatures of sin, since their soul purpose for interacting with humans involves tempting men's sexual desires.
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* Let's be honest: Davy Jones' pet kraken doesn't look all that much like a kraken is supposed to, basically a scaled-up squid or octopus, which would include a beak like those cephalopods have rather than a circular maw of sharp teeth. However, there ''is'' a mythical/folkloric cephalopod that ''does'' have a mouth like that: the lusca, which, coincidentally, is from the Caribbean!
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What the eff is this?
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** Bri-''tain!'' Bri-''tain!'' Bri-''tain!''
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* Will is in charge of the Dutchman now, and will be for all eternity. That means he'll have to watch Elizabeth and their son die, along with any future generations of their family. They most likely wouldn't die on his one day back a decade either, probably while he's at sea only to go home and find out someone died. And this would be his fate for all eternity, or unless someone took his place...
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* Will is in charge of the Dutchman now, and will be for all eternity. That means he'll have to watch Elizabeth and their son die, along with any future generations of their family. They most likely wouldn't die on his one day back a decade either, probably while he's at sea only to go home and find out someone die.died. And this would be his fate for all eternity, or unless someone took his place...
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* OnStrangerTides actually has a damn good reason for failing the BenchdelTest. It used to aggravate this Tropper, that Angelica never speak with Syrena; with Syrena being the only other female in the expedition, and a mermaid to boot, one would think Angelica would be eager to get to know her. But given Angelica's background, there are plenty of reasons she wouldn't want to. In the 1600s, mermaids are still creatures out of horror stories, not yet turned into whimsical fairy tale creatures that little girls would dream of being or meeting (Hans Christian Andersen's "TheLittleMermaid" won't be written for a couple more centuries yet). Even after Syrena proves to be different from her more vicious sisters, Angelica's background gives her reason for avoiding conversing with Syrena. As a devout Catholic in the 1600s and an almost-nun, Angelica may view the mermaids as creatures of sin, since their soul purpose for interacting with humans involves tempting men's sexual desires.
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* OnStrangerTides actually has a damn good reason for failing the BenchdelTest. It used to aggravate this Tropper, that Angelica never speak with Syrena; with Syrena being the only other female in the expedition, and a mermaid to boot, one would think Angelica would be eager to get to know her. But given Angelica's background, there are plenty of reasons she wouldn't want to. In the 1600s, mermaids are still creatures out of horror stories, not yet turned into whimsical fairy tale creatures that little girls would dream of being or meeting (Hans Christian Andersen's "TheLittleMermaid" won't be written for a couple more centuries yet). Even after Syrena proves to be different from her more vicious sisters, Angelica's background gives her reason for avoiding conversing with Syrena. As a devout Catholic in the 1600s and an almost-nun, Angelica may view the mermaids as creatures of sin, since their soul purpose for interacting with humans involves tempting men's sexual desires.desires.
* Will is in charge of the Dutchman now, and will be for all eternity. That means he'll have to watch Elizabeth and their son die, along with any future generations of their family. They most likely wouldn't die on his one day back a decade either, probably while he's at sea only to go home and find out someone die. And this would be his fate for all eternity, or unless someone took his place...
* Will is in charge of the Dutchman now, and will be for all eternity. That means he'll have to watch Elizabeth and their son die, along with any future generations of their family. They most likely wouldn't die on his one day back a decade either, probably while he's at sea only to go home and find out someone die. And this would be his fate for all eternity, or unless someone took his place...
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* OnStrangerTides actually has a damn good reason for failing the BenchdelTest. It used to aggravate this Tropper, that not only does Angelica never speak with Syrena; with Syrena being the only other female in the expedition, and a mermaid to boot, one would think Angelica would be eager to get to know her. But given Angelica's background, there are plenty of reasons she wouldn't want to. In the 1600s, mermaids are still creatures out of horror stories, not yet turned into whimsical fairy tale creatures that little girls would dream of being or meeting (Hans Christian Andersen's "TheLittleMermaid" won't be written for a couple more centuries yet). Even after Syrena proves to be different from her more vicious sisters, Angelica's background gives her reason for avoiding conversing with Syrena. As a devout Catholic in the 1600s and an almost-nun, Angelica may view the mermaids as creatures of sin, since their soul purpose for interacting with humans involves tempting men's sexual desires.
