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* In a society where buckets are seen as lewd, Eridan is a bit of a perv. What does his constellation look like? [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarius_%28constellation%29 A bucket...]]
** A man pouring out the contents of a bucket. Troll buckets contain material that propagates their race. If you were to pour it out, you would be interfering with the reproduction process, which is what Eridan does when he hopesplodes the Matriorb.
** Could you say he is [[ADateWithRosiePalms spilling seed]]?
** A man pouring out the contents of a bucket. Troll buckets contain material that propagates their race. If you were to pour it out, you would be interfering with the reproduction process, which is what Eridan does when he hopesplodes the Matriorb.
** Could you say he is [[ADateWithRosiePalms spilling seed]]?
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* It literally just occurred to me that all of the trolls were about thirteen give-or-take, and the majority of them died horribly. Um...Andrew? I'm not particularly comfortable anymore.
** We don't actually ''see'' it happening, but Vriska has apparently been playing her FLARP games for years, killing her peers to keep her lusus fed. Eridan/Feferi have been doing more or less the same, though with their peers' lusus instead since a troll wouldn't even make a nibble for Feferi's lusus.
** We don't actually ''see'' it happening, but Vriska has apparently been playing her FLARP games for years, killing her peers to keep her lusus fed. Eridan/Feferi have been doing more or less the same, though with their peers' lusus instead since a troll wouldn't even make a nibble for Feferi's lusus.
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*** A Mary Sue [[UnintentionalUnsympatheticVillain tries to be sympathetic]] about being a rapist, or just [[RapeAsDrama happens to get raped]] in a situation that makes no sense. Of course a Parody Sue would [[UpToEleven rape herself]] and [[TropesAreNotBad still be a sympathetic character]].
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*** A Mary Sue [[UnintentionalUnsympatheticVillain tries to be sympathetic]] about being a rapist, or just [[RapeAsDrama happens to get raped]] in a situation that makes no sense. Of course a Parody Sue would [[UpToEleven rape herself]] and [[TropesAreNotBad still be a sympathetic character]].
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* Not many Trolls seem to want to talk to Jade. And why is that? Because to them, she's just not that interesting. John had an Adult squatter in his hive, and Dave had that puppet, but Jade had a Lusus, like everyone's supposed to. Moreover, all of their text implies either high or low standings in the blood caste. But as Equius said, green is okay, but not great.
** Actually, it seems [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002900 they all have]] talked to her at some point. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002759 Even Sollux and Gamzee]].
** Actually, it seems [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002900 they all have]] talked to her at some point. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002759 Even Sollux and Gamzee]].
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* I know this may be the wrong area to talk about this, but it needs to be addressed. Many fans know that the trolls follow a 6-6 naming rule. Who else has a similar name pattern? [[TrollingCreator Andrew.]]
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* I know this may be the wrong area to talk about this, but it needs to be addressed. Many fans know that the trolls follow a 6-6 naming rule. Who else has a similar name pattern? [[TrollingCreator Andrew.]]]]
* "There Once was a Man from Trolltucket" would be exactly as offensive to its native audience, but for entirely different reasons.
* [[IncrediblyLamePun As-TROLL-ogy]]?
* LateToThePunchline: The troll equivalent of STRIFE was [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003970 GRIEF]] (in backwards and upside down [[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Daedric]]). The joke is that they're {{troll}}s. They're ''{{grief|er}}ing'' each other.
* When Karkat was explaining Troll Romance to Vriska in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' he told her that Tavros could never hate her the way she hated him because there was something dysfunctional about him that kept him from developing the same degree of hate as everyone else. When Hussie introduced Kanaya, one of the other 'nice' trolls, he repeated a comment from Tavros's introduction about not sleeping much. Suddenly it became clear why Kanaya and Tavros are so nice compared to other trolls: All trolls suffer from psychotic nightmares so bad that they have to sleep in psychoactive goop in order to dull the edge. But Tavros, who can't fit in his cocoon because of his freakish horns, and Kanaya, who stays up late because she's the troll equivalent of a Goth, have minimized their exposure.
** Also another thing why trolls cannot stand their sun and are as such nocturnal. Not only is it because their sun is deadly - traditional trolls literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#Scandinavian_folklore could not stand daylight]] and would [[TakenForGranite turn into stone upon coming in contact with it]].
** Given that we've recently learned that Karkat, and probably the rest of the Trolls, ''can't sleep'', their dream-selves dying may have made them all insomniacs. And if that's the case, Tavros and Kanaya don't just have minimized exposure - they've also got more experience dealing with sleep deprivation. Doubles as FridgeHorror if you think about it too long. - Volouscheur
** Related, the most isolated trolls, Nepeta, Kanaya, and Feferi are among the nicest. Nepeta lives in a cave with her lusus and has to hunt for food, while Feferi can't go very far from hers without getting killed. Meanwhile, Kanaya is both diurnal and lives in an area laden with undead. All of them would have had little contact with troll society and thus wouldn't end up "socialized" like the others. Feferi and Nepeta can get away with not caring about black romance because the imperial drone will never reach them.
** Related to Tavros's incapability to form a Kismesitude, why has he not been executed for failing to provide? The same reason he hasn't been culled for paraplegia. The imperial drone has never visited him.
* In [S] Wake, Hussie is deconstructing at least a few MarySue tropes. In addition to Vriska, who wants to be one, and Jade, who was initially portrayed as one, we also have, most notably:
** Aradia - Born in the lowest rung of her caste system, but has incredible psychic powers and gains the affections of a casteist highblood. Dies and comes back as a ghost with even more power. Possesses her sprite then a robot body, later gains time-travel powers. Resurrects via Dreamself into her God Tier form, which allows her to pause The Demon.
*** Actually, Aradia's psychic powers are most common among her caste. The lower the caste, the more likely that they are going to have some sort of power like hers, Tavros' or Sollux's. (The empresses as well, though they are an obvious exception.) However, those with psychic powers are also more susceptible to other psychic attacks, such as the Vast Glub. A murmur could kill the lower castes but spare the higher ones. If anything, a troll like Vriska with a noble blood color is more unusual to have such a power.
** Kanaya - Born with an incredibly rare blood color, which allows her to be raised by the rare mother grub. She can bear the harsh Alternian sun when no other troll is shown to be able to do so. Her interest in fashion suggests she could also fulfill a few of those tropes, and despite being killed without the benefit of a Quest Bed or any sort of immortality, she returns from the dead -- and judging from what she does to Gamzee, Vriska, and Eridan directly after, she CameBackStrong.
** Feferi - Born in the absolute highest tier of the caste system, and it's stated that if not for SGRUB, she'd have overseen massive changes to Alternian society for the betterment of all (and indeed, her pre-Scratch self ruled over a utopia). She tries to be everyone's friend when troll society says she'd be justified in lording over them all. Raised by a particularly powerful lusus which basically nixes anyone's chance of trying to off her, most notably the current Alternian empress and anyone competing for the position.
** Sollux - Like Aradia, comes with super eyebeam psychic powers, as well as l33t h4xx0r skillz, heterochromatic eyes and a small but endearing flaw (his lii2p). He then dies Saving The Princess and has not one but two extra lives ostensibly because of his 'bifurcated personality', which also makes him prone to truly interminable periods of Wangst. Add to this Aradia, Feferi and [[EvenTheGuysWantHim Eridan]] have all apparently been interested in him in one of the concupiscent quadrants, making him more or less the big troll stud, ''despite'' being basically a moody computer geek.
*** The funny thing is that in most works, they ''would'' be MarySue[=s=]. In ''Homestuck'', they're just characters.
* Compare how [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005197 Dream Feferi dies]] to how [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005436 Eridan dies]].
* In the 1/24 updates, we learned (among other things) that all the sopor slime is gone. Among other things, sopor slime helps to quiet the trolls' violent instincts. Little wonder that Eridan and Gamzee quickly went off the deep end with nothing to hold them in check.
* Why do God Tier trolls (from what we've seen of them anyways) get wings, while the human's God Tier don't? Because trolls are born as ''larva''. Like ''caterpillars''. When they finally achieve God Tier, the trolls are metamorphosing into butterflies!
* Some of the trolls who don't really care about blood color seem to forget the order of the hemospectrum -- [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004046 here]] Sollux can't remember what's lower than yellow and [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004062 here]] Nepeta doesn't seem to know where green lies. You'd think it'd be easy to remember, since it goes from red to violet like a rainbow . . . but since rainbows are created by sunlight filtering through water droplets and most trolls never go out during the day, they've probably never even seen a rainbow! The only time the word "rainbow" has been used in relation to trolls is [[OurVampiresAreDifferent "rainbow drinkers"]], who come out during the day...
* If you think about it, TheReveal that the trolls were in a post-scratch session was possibly foreshadowed (or perhaps there have been coincidences?). Remember in [s] Past Karkat: Wake Up we only got to see the grub versions of "our" trolls, but not the ancestors? Also remember how ectobiology works; by pinpointing someone in time and creating a paradox clone of them. If the trolls had been made with their ancestors' DNA, Karkat would know what the "extra twelve useless wrigglers" were for since the machine had pinpointed at them. Instead, the Ancestor grubs were probably made with a mixture of our trolls' DNA, thus explaining Karkat's belief that the "extra" grubs were "useless".
** The same Flash shows a terminal with twelve screens. It's identical to the kids' terminals other than the amount of screens, and two of the screens have been destroyed. That only happens if a Hero reaches God-Tier. [[spoiler:Future!Aradia]] made it.
* Concerning [S] Wake, maybe all the characters seen in the flash awoke one way or another, besides the obvious...
** Aradia awoke not only to God Tier, but also awoke her normal emotions again, feeling happy to be alive.
** Vriska not only awoke from demotivating WV in his nightmare to face Bec Noir, but also awoke her conscience after killing Tavros and feeling guilty about it, even fearing facing Noir as she planned all along.
** Feferi has always wanted to be with the Furthest Gods of the Ring; her death of her dreamself awoke her powers as the Witch of Life, so to speak, due to her communication with Jade, being able to speak from the afterlife to the living compared to other deceased characters in SBURB and SGRUB.
** Jack Noir probably believed himself invincible killing one life after another with his First Guardian powers; witnessing Aradia gave him an OhCrap on his face, and becoming time stopped by Aradia may have awoken fear in him, or something close to rethinking his killing strategy besides using green fire and showing his stabs.
** Tavros awoke his self-confidence actually comitting to try and killing Vriska, despite failing and getting impaled. And, there maybe a second wake-up involved due to dying and being in the afterlife; maybe communing with deceased First Guardians and Lusii per his powers.
* Eridan, whose romantic advances have been turned down by nearly every other main character, lives in a [[ShipSinking wrecked ship]].
* The troll ancestors who initiated the scratch were too weak because they lived in peace. And when they initiated the scratch, they became the ancestors instead of the players. Now, realize that the current troll world is so terrible because the Sufferer failed to spread his message. That means there is a good likelihood that the reason the original troll world was peaceful was because Karkat (acting as an ancestor in the original troll world) ''succeeded'' in spreading his message.
** Not to mention Feferi would have been the Empress.
*** That is, if she could defeat Condy.
*** No, Condesce is Meenah, and she refused to participate in the struggle at all, not to mention lived later than Feferi.
** Karkat succeeded as the Sufferer on Beforus because he was a JerkWithAHeartOfGold and able to motivate people. On Alternia, the sufferer was ''[[TheFriendNobodyLikes Kankri]]''.
* The update "[S] Wake." has several [[CallBack Call Backs]] going on with it:
** 1. The last Flash update before this on to issue a general command was "[S] Make Her Pay." Both Aradia and Vriska did just that in it. The same thing happens here.
** 2. The last time Tavros saw Vriska wearing fairy wings, she was trying to please him, trying to make him love her. [[IronicEcho This time]], she kills him. Kind of a stark contrast, don't you think?
** 3. The first time Tavros and Vriska are the seen together, Vriska forces Tavros off a cliff. Guess what happens here?
* Aranea describes the relationship between A1 and A2's timelines as being linear, but it's obvious to the readers that the relationships between all universes are [[TimeyWimeyBall a bit more complicated than that]]. But of course that's how she would explain it to Terezi - she said herself that she's existed for so long that time-related words are little more than a convenience.
** As a Hero of Void, Equius has the power to black out Seers and Space-users and terminal users locked on to his position and unaccounted others. His dream self and real self are gone, and recently, we saw Lord English obliterate his ghost self. However, as an Heir of Void, couldn't he exist inside the Furthest Ring ''outside'' of a dream bubble?
** As a Hero of Hope, Eridan has the power to create an AstralProjection of other players within a dream bubble. Dirk hinted to Jake that he possesses untold power as a Page, and that Jake has unresolved feelings for Dirk. As Eridan had feelings for Feferi, maybe one or both still exist in a dream bubble the Kids and Trolls have yet to encounter, and their real selves deaths could allow them to exist ''alive'' within the dream bubble compared to flickering Dream!Dirk or a standard MilkyWhiteEyes ghost.
*** Eridan is a Prince. He doesn't create something by believing in it. He destroys it by not believing in it. Feferi is clearly angry about dying, to the point where she lashed out at Jade, so because he didn't believe they could be friends, the offer is off the table. He destroyed all hope of the relationship. Hope wasn't lost when he tried to defect, but the exact instant he considered it as a mere possibility.
* The reason the SGRUB symbol looks different from SBURB? The kids' session had four players and four squares. The trolls had twelve players, and so…
* All of the trolls were about thirteen give-or-take, and the majority of them died horribly... Let that sink in.
** We don't actually ''see'' it happening, but Vriska has apparently been playing her FLARP games for years, killing her peers to keep her lusus fed. Eridan/Feferi have been doing more or less the same, though with their peers' lusus instead since a troll wouldn't even make a nibble for Feferi's lusus.
* Why do the trolls constantly refer aspects of their culture as 'Troll [whatever]'? Because in their universe, the Condesce conquered hundreds of other planets, many of which would have had other races living on them. It's not unthinkable that parts of other cultures would become known to Alternian trolls, and so the trolls clarify that they mean ''their'' whatever, as opposed to the whatever created by another race.
* If you really think about it, the trolls' romance shenanigans in general can fall into this. Remember that [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004296 partway through Hivebent, it was revealed that drones regularly visit troll adults to collect black and red buckets of DNA from them]], and that they will ''kill'' the troll if they have nothing to give. That said, while our trolls aren't likely to had been approached yet, what looks like teenage romance squabbles (such as Karkat desperately trying to get Dave into "quadrant vacillation" or Eridan's usual antics) could actually be, subconsciously or not, treated the same as a life or death situation once you remember this detail. After all, for a troll, not being in a relationship equals possible death. In other words? There's a [[MateOrDie good reason]] why the trolls seem so fixated on romance.
* Why were the trolls suddenly silent in the bad alt timeline when John died due to fighting the Denizen early? It's because their session ceased to exist the moment whatever convoluted Weird Time Shit sent Lil'Cal from arriving in Alterina and Kanaya's hands, and thus allowed Doc Scratch to be born, who in turn set everything up in the first place was prevented due to Dave prototyping Lil'Cal. They didn't go silent so much as '''cease to exist.'''
** Or not. In Paradox Space, the alpha timeline is eternally present at all points, and any deviation will simply doom everyone in it. The Trolls were still there in the alpha timeline, they just couldn't communicate with the doomed one. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004990 Two timelines can exist at once.]]
*** Which actually may disprove the theory since Terezi converses with ''both'' Daves. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005090 Doomed Dave contacts her]] right before Noir kills him.
*** Still in the Alpha timeline, it's just not Alpha Dave. As long as they remain in the Alpha timeline they can be contacted no matter who they are.
** Which leads to a moment of FridgeBrilliance as well. Ever since it was revealed how dreamselves worked, why didn't Dream John and Dream Jade didn't take over as "real" John and Jade? The answer is it wasn't John's death that doomed the timeline, it was Cal being prototyped.
*** Though Dream John wouldn't have been able to take over anyway, since that particular use of a dreamself requires use of the Quest Bed (which no one was in any position to take advantage of) or a kiss from one of the other players (which would have required getting to John's seventh gate themselves to get to a body in the same room as an angry Denizen).
*** John's Denizen was calm about killing John. Dream Jade still couldn't take over though. If you never physically enter the Medium, there is no dream self.
* From Hussie's Formspring archives ([[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#andrewhussie1158647790 here]]): In the Homestuck-verse, the 12 trolls aren't based on the WesternZodiac; the WesternZodiac is based on ''them.'' Because they created the the kids' universe, somewhere in humanity's collective subconscious were these trolls. And because of this, when they looked at the sky and saw a bunch of arbitrary star clusters, they went "Oh, look a crab!" "Wow, there's a fish!" Even if the trolls aren't really ''gods'', they still have religious and cultural importance.
** To break it down:
*** Aries' energy is similar to how Aradia was in life. The people born under Aries are also said to be fiercely competetive, like how Damara did not allow anyone else competing for her spot next to Rufioh.
*** Taurus is just as a {{Determinator}} as Tavros.
*** Gemini is riddled with bifurcation because of Sollux not to mention the myth about Castor and Pollux, the twins, states one of them died and the other grieved so much their father put them on the heaven to be together. Plus, Gemini's are said to be good in communicating, like Sollux set up all of the troll's connections and viewports.
*** Cancer is considered kind and motherly because of Karkat, who cloned everyone and thus was a 'mother' to the entire team and the Sufferer.
*** Leo is ferocious and described like attention-hogging just like some other trolls say of Nepeta - and Meulin is certainly an obnoxious girl.
*** Virgo is pretty obvious.
*** Libra and Justice are intertwined so much with Terezi that we paint/draw Justice with not only scales but also a blindfold and a sword, plus people born under this sign are said to do anything for justice and have great [[StealthPun taste]].
*** Scorpio has an ambiguous reputation thanks to Vriska, and the people born under this sign are often misunderstood.
*** Sagittarius and archery+horses is obvious, but it also ties in to the magnanimity of Darkleer and also: some say Sagittarians are smarter than they look - similar to how indigo bloods, being Void players, are exempt from Omniscience and MindControl.
*** Capricorn are less obvious, but they are described as stubborn and determined - as in [[MemeticMutation You can't keep down the clown]].
*** Aquarius is also a pretty zealous sign, and people under this sign are - while intellectual, also cold to the emotions of others, just like Eridan knew a lot of history, yet had his relationships in shambles.
*** Pisces is said to be one of the nicest and friendliest of the signs...and are also often connected to the mystic side of life, like Feferi and Meenah had the most supernatural lusus of all, and an ancestor with the greatest number of physic powers.
* Sburb essentially wipes out your race when played. Emissaries from the horrorterrors, like Feferi's lusus (and the vast glub), are probably a common feature of the game for sessions where the host species has left their home planet.
* Before the ancestors in the trolls' session initiated the scratch, "our" trolls were in the role of the ancestors (and vice versa). In the Pre-scratch timeline, troll society was peaceful. Note that with the role reversals, at this time, Feferi, who in the present timeline wants to abolish the blood caste system and help the weak, would have been empress.
** Which of course fits with the fact that every troll in Post-scratch Alternia now dresses in similar clothes to Meenah.
** This also means Earth's clowns are indeed based on Gamzee; Pre-Scratch!Gamzee.
** Pre-Scratch!Karkat, the Signless of Beforus, was successful not only because Karkat isn't passive-aggressive like Post-Scratch!Signless was, but also because he would have received [[PalsWithJesus help from Pre-Scratch!Feferi]].
* All of the Trolls' similarities to humans -- from the existence of Troll Will Smith to the fact that they [[AliensSpeakingEnglish speak English]] -- could be explained by the fact that the Trolls created Earth's universe, and therefore humans.
** Vriska suggests that Karkat would make a better human than a troll, and humans have the same freakish bright red blood. Makes sense, considering he was the trolls' leader, and the one who would have personally gotten the ultimate prize if they hadn't been interrupted. As well as the one who supposedly gave the B1 universe cancer.
** Also, why does the "real" world operate under the bizarre rules of captchalogues and strife syllabi? Because the "real" world is the creation of a game and follows game logic.
* We all know that trolls have four forms of love (matespiritship, kissmessitude, moirailliegance, and auspticism. But according to at least one theory, humans also have four forms of love: romantic love, friendship, affection, and charity. Suddenly you realize why the trolls are so (from our perspective, at least) screwed up. Their society has no concepts of friendship, of affection (that one's a bit more natural, since they don't have families the way we do), or of charity, so huge chunks of the interpersonal bonds humans work with are missing.
* The troll world is shown to be a BizarroUniverse in many aspects such as the role of angels, vampires, etc. Instead of teenage sex being highly frowned upon, it's required upon pain of death.
** Not only that, but unlike with humans where homosexuality is still highly controversial, it's apparently so inconsequential in troll society that ''it doesn't even warrant its own word.''
** Their version of Christianity, instead of spreading into a dominant religion, dwindled until it was practically forgotten.
* From a biological viewpoint the violent nature of troll-kind makes perfect sense as a means of natural selection to prune out the mutations arising from their constant inbreeding. However Doc Scratch said that he was responsible for the trolls violent nature. Does that mean Scratch is somehow responsible for the Mother Grub method of breeding? [[{{Squick}} What a creep.]]
** This may also explain the troll's vestigial genders.
*** Everything involving lusii was imported by Doc Scratch
*** ...Except all of the Troll biology and the Lusii exist in the Pre-Scratch Troll Universe, where Doc Scratch never acted. So, nope for all of this.
* One of Alternia's moons is purple - which is what you get if you add the primary colors red and blue. Red is the color of the Kids' universe, while blue is the color of the Trolls' universe.
** It's also the inverted color of the green moon. They're opposites. This may very well mean something.
*** Considering that the destruction of the red and blue universes created the green sun...and that Derse's purple moon was involved...
*** Red, blue, green, and purple are the kids' colors, right?
* It's mentioned near the beginning of the troll intermission that troll culture places an unusual emphasis on architectural design proficiency at a very young age (letting the trolls that have just recently survived their trials design their own homes), but that no one seemed to really know why that is. Well, in light of the information from Doc Scratch regarding the trolls ancestor's failed Sgrub game, this makes sense. That was an effect of Scratch's influence in his efforts to better prepare the trolls for Sgrub, much like they became incredibly violent and competitive under his influence.
* Alternia has [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003904 two moons]]; one fuchsia pink, the other lime green. That's some very clever foreshadowing.
* The fact that Alternia seems to have SchizoTech actually makes a lot of sense when you factor in the existence of natural psionics. After all, you don't necessarily need to invent machine guns or nuclear reactors if part of your population has EyeBeams and you can fly to the stars with just [[PoweredByAForsakenChild one poor bastard]] [[LivingBattery hooked up to the wires]]. This then resulted in a race that managed to develop interstellar travel before it moved past melee weaponry.
* Vriska once said, regarding the trolls' ancestors, "[[color:#004183:You then can choose to take up the life they left for you. And if you do, they will always 8e looking out for you, and guide you in finishing what they started.]]" Mindfang was killed by the Summoner. Vriska murders Tavros. Neophyte Redglare was killed by Mindfang. Terezi kills Vriska. Orphaner Dualscar was killed on the Condesce's orders. Eridan kills Feferi. The Dolorosa was assassinated by Dualscar. Kanaya kills Eridan. The E%ecutor and the Disciple defied the highbloods and got away with it. Gamzee kills Nepeta and Equius. [[MessianicArchetype The Sufferer]] eventually broke under torture, cursing the highbloods with his dying breath... and ''[[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Karkat singlehandedly stops Gamzee's rampage]]'' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments with kindness and a]] CooldownHug.
** The sufferer specifically died from an arrow shot by Equius ancestor darkleer, and then Karkat was the one who sent Equius to his death in an attempt to stop the highbloods
** Also related: when Vriska kills the Black King, she rolls an 8^8. We now know that that roll gets you Ancestral Awakening. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005653 Mindfang vs a giant ugly blackish monster, huh?]]
* You remember how angry Aradia was throughout her tenure as a robot? It makes more sense once you realize she was filled with [[InTheBlood Equius's blood]]!
* This line from Doc Scratch's description of the Handmaiden: "She stirred up class warfare and intensified bigotry in whatever era she haunted." Aradia, the Handmaiden's descendent, had some sort of romantic relationship with the bigoted Equius.
* Aradia's role in SGRUB is Maid. In her society she should be a person who carries "sex toys". She's doing it [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005482 right]].
* Since being prototyped with Bec, [[BigBad Big Bad]] Jack Noir has gained decidedly lupine features. What [[StealthPun colour]] is Aradia's god-hood?
** Also, ''What's the Time, Mr. Wolf''?
* At first, [[EmotionlessGirl Aradia]] killing Vriska didn't make much sense, since earlier in the comic she said she didn't want revenge. Then you see that her exile told her to do it. She's used to hearing voices in her head, and she'd always do what they said. What's one more voice to her?
** Not really, she specifically makes it known she's n0t 0K with it.
* Aradia is the Maid of Time. She was put into a robot body. Does this make her an iron maiden?
* Tavros's typing quirk is because cAPS lOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL, fOR COOL (and Tavros doesn't really understand either, Caps Lock ''or'' cool)
** Also, his attempt at trolling Dave going horribly wrong: Dave reacts with ironic gay innuendo, and Tavros gets confused and upset and blocks him. Trolls [[EveryoneIsBi don't consider gender an object to sexuality]], and so presumably don't even ''have'' GayBravado. No wonder he was confused and upset.
* In the same vein that Eridan’s double V’s become W’s (double U’s, with V’s being pronounced by Roman’s as U’s),''Tavros'' becomes ''Tauros'' - ancient Greek for bull.
* For an in-universe example, Tavros's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004064 realizing]] where Tinkerbull is. That's... That's just ''cruel.''
* When Tavros goes to confront Vriska, he completely forgoes all tactics and runs straight at her. You could say he charged ''like a bull''.
** Vriska, on the other hand, stood her ground and let him come to her...just like a spider.
* Sollux, with his ever-present theme of duality, was close to two troll-girls: The lowest-blooded, and the highest-blooded.
** They're also the only two trolls with alliterative chumhandles (AA and CC respectively)
** All of Sollux's deaths were at the exact same time as someone else. First, it was the Helmsman. Next, it was the Handmaid. The first was his ancestor. The second was his lover's.
* Some might be wondering why Sollux is fluctuating between flushed and caliginous feelings for Gamzee in the showdown. Sollux's entire shtick is duality....of ''course'' he'll have two conflicting opinions of him!
** On a side note, think about this. Did you notice that out of all of the trolls, Sollux has the most relationships? That's right, in canon, Sollux is the most ''paired'' up troll!
* Sollux's bizarre semi-UnexplainedRecovery on the Green Sun makes a bit more sense if you remember his connection to Gemini; besides the whole theme of twins and duality there's also the fact that [[Myth/GreekMythology Castor and Pollux]], when they died, divided their time between Hades (the afterlife) and Olympus (home of the gods). Given that Sollux is now with three God-Tiered individuals...
* Sollux's symbol is gemini, which is a (♊) symbol. Gemini is also the latin word for twins. Sollux wears a pair of shades, and if you will recall, the only other troll who also wears shades is Terezi. Coincidence?
** also after a recent event involving Eridan, Sollux became blind, just like Terezi.
** Wait, Equius wears shades too...
** Sollux Captor. Switch the S and P. Pollux Castor. Twins.
*** Not just ''any'' twins, but the specific pair of twins that ''became'' the constellation Gemini in Greek mythology. It's also another tie-in to Nicholas Cage ("Castor Troy" in Face/Off).
** Obsessed with two. Computer hacker. ''Binary.'' Duh.
* Sollux loses the duel between himself and Eridan. He mentions that he underestimated Eridan, which is what one would expect he would say whether he won or not. But consider that he's the resident "computer guy". If he overpowers Eridan by too much, the computers behind Eridan get destroyed. Sollux is powerful enough to send the asteroid they're standing on at faster than light speed - of course he would have to hold back to some extent.
* When Sollux was blinded and lost his psychic powers and his bifurcation motif, the blood from his mouth [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005324 split the Gemini symbol on his shirt into half]]. The symbolism is apparent.
* The Tumor is associated with black and white, and also red and blue. What ''else'' is associated with red, blue, black and white? Sollux.
** [[MeaningfulName It's right there in the trolltag, even]].
*** Where?
*** twinArmageddons
** Also, "Sol" and "lux" mean sun and light in Latin.
* Why is Sollux's blood color yellow when his two defining colors are red and blue? Because yellow, red, and blue are all primary colors.
** No. They aren't. Neither additive nor subractive colors use red, yellow, and blue. Additive uses red, green, and blue. Subtractive uses magenta, yellow, cyan, and black.
*** 3D glasses can sometimes use magenta and cyan. That just leaves yellow and black.
*** Red-Yellow-Blue ''are'' primary colours... in painting.
** Also, in astrology the colour yellow is associated with the sign Gemini.
** It gets better: the two brightest stars in the constellation Gemini are named Castor and Pollux. Castor appears bluish, Pollux is reddish.
* Sollux, the troll with a duality motif, dates Feferi, a troll whose astrological sign is ''two'' fish.
** Feferi has been all of the following at one point: [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe One fish]], [[Creator/DrSeuss Two Fish]], [[Alien Blood Red Fish, Blue Fish]].
* Feferi's Pisces sign and her double ended trident have [[http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b510/magicrockssohard/trident_zps3c8072ac.png the same (fundamental) shape!]]
* Karkat is ridiculously ambitious but due to his blood color, he'd be considered a freak and pretty much shunned by the rest of his society, shooting down any chance of becoming a [=THRESHECUTIONER=] that he might have had otherwise. Which pretty much explains why he's so angry all the time.
* Karkat frequently acts mean and represses his non-rage-related emotions. Why? Besides being a bit of a temperament thing, he's afraid crying will give away his "freakish" blood color, as Trolls' tears are a faded hue of their blood.
** This would also explain why his doomed God-tier self has no visible wings (which would give away his blood color as well); Aranea has said God-tier trolls can hide their wings in their cloak, which is the most likely what he is doing.
* Other than it being crucial to his characterization, why is Karkat a mutant? What is his sign? Cancer. What is one of the looser definitions of cancer? A mutation.
** Also, he wields a sickle. A sickle cell is a mutated blood cell.
*** Makes a lot of sense that he gave Jade's Universe cancer.
*** He also causes a mutation inadvertently. By trolling Jade, she brings it up to John, which causes him to decide to change his chum handle from valid DNA (GT) to a mutation. (EB)
*** Mutations involve changing from one valid code to another ... ie, GT to GG or something. "EB" is just nonsense; there are no bases coded E or B. ''Brilliance'' would have involved him using a handle that abbreviated to some combination of I, X, and D, which ''are'' abbreviations for (rare) bases.
* Karkat, despite his constant rage, has never killed, maimed or severely injured any of his friends. He listens to their problems (despite being an asshole about it) and gives them advice. He also tries (and fails) to keep his team from killing each other. He also stops a psycho clown mass-murderer with kindness. He's also never had a kismesis, and when he thinks he finally has found one in John, he ends up becoming friends with John. By troll standards, he's a saint ...or a MessianicArchetype.
* When Karkat was hit by the bucket, he let out a Vast Expletive.
* So UU hex code color of #929292 is a reference to uranium, right? Well what about Karkat's #626262 hex code color? Well element 26 is ''iron''. As in what makes your blood red.
** Actually, 62 is the atomic number of samarium, a volatile but durable silvery-grey metal used in various applications including permanent magnets and cancer treatment. But that works well too.
** Iron also matches Karkat's text and sign color, references the irons that the Sufferer was put in, and is the name of his color in the "coloUrs and mayhem" album.
** On a related note, Karkat's text colour is also the colour of cooked crabs.
* Karkat ''did'' manage to bring Kanaya back to life with his Corpsesmooch. Just... not quite as expected.
** Where is the FridgeBrilliance?
*** It wasn't a kiss from another or a man that revived her, it was her own kisses rainbow drinking/vampire bites that did. This is apt for one born of a Virgin mother grub.
*** Not only that, but Kanaya was revived as a rainbow drinker, requiring *blood* to survive. What is Karkat's SGRUB title?
*** She wasn't born of the virgin grub, she was raised by it.
* Karkat's sign of Cancer is associated with motherhood, and he often plays TeamMom. He's also the one who gives birth to ''everyone'' through ectobiology.
* Karkat's handle on PesterChum is CarcinoGeneticist, or Cancer Geneticist. He accidentally messed up the game universe, saying "the disease I gave you". Karkat is a CarcinoGeneticist that gave the universe Cancer.
* Karkat's true blood colour is candy red, but he hides it by having a grey shirt symbol and text. Crabs are usually greyish or bright red.
* Karkat's distress at being toyed with by Clover is by no means unreasonable, but it gets extra poignant when you remember [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009538 Karkat's experience with his Denizen.]]
* All of the kids' guardians have died. Remember that code Karkat ran waaaaay back at the beginning of Hivebent? [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003926 That one that killed all the lusii?]] It also applies to everybody that Karkat will ever meet. So from the minute Karkat first talked to John, he was accidentally dooming John's father to death.
** Lets take it a step farther, as of the act 6 intermission 1 we know Karkat meets Dave and Rose, so he also doomed roses ''and'' Daves guardians.
*** Another step forward, It's also implied that he will be meeting John and Jade in the Alpha session with the Alpha Kids all four of them ummm. It's not looking so good them either.
*** Confirmed: He did, [[KillEmAll and it wasn't]].
* Karkat is almost a troll counterpart to John: Both are POV characters, both show HiddenDepths, both were involved in similar in-game events, and Karkat even resembles John a bit. [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn John has a hammer, Karkat has a sickle.]]
** Their battle themes are named "Showdown" (Karkat) and "Showtime" (John).
*** Interestingly enough, Dave's battle theme is "Beatdown." So Karkat's battle theme is named after a combination of John and Dave's.
*** John and Dave have blue and red text, respectively. The theme is based on a mix of the two universes.
** He also types in all caps as opposed to John's typing in all lowercase.
** Because of their respective weapons, the John/Karkat ship is known as "Communism", which Dave later lampshades in the comic.
* The Sufferer is a pretty obvious analogue for Jesus, and Karkat is technically his ancestor since the trolls' session is post-Scratch. Then you consider that Karkat's first words to a human were "ATTENTION WORTHLESS HUMAN: [[Main/ForeShadowing THIS IS YOUR GOD SPEAKING]]." He wasn't just being his usual arrogant self; in a way it was literally accurate, since Karkat is, in human terms, the father of Troll Jegus.
* Karkat's defeat of Clover should have been impossible, due to Clover's incredible luck...except that back in Act 5 Act 1, Karkat triggered a curse that would ensure everyone he ever met would have terrible luck. The curse overrode Clover's luck, allowing him to be defeated.
* [[spoiler: How was Karkat able to defeat Clover, despite Clover being able to manipulate probability to make himself literally impossible to hit? Remember back in Hivebent, where Sollux programmed that mobius double reacharound virus to make Karkat and anyone around him unlucky?]]
* To any human viewer, Bec Noir's red hand means he's just killed someone. To Karkat, [[IronicEcho it's reminiscent of his alliance with SGRUB!Jack Noir]], who cut his palm to show Karkat that he wasn't the only one in paradox space to have "candy-red" blood.
** Early in the story the trolls mention that angels are a kind of demon with wings...
*** Which makes Eridan believe the angels he saw regard Bec Noir as their king.
* Karkat's mutant blood colour, despite causing him so much trouble, may have saved his life. Look at where Karkat sits when the trolls are arranged by Zodiac sign: between Sollux and Nepeta. Between Sollux's yellow and Nepeta's green blood would be where a lime-blooded troll would go; the same limebloods who were said to have been hunted to extinction. After the Sufferer's rebellion, his followers ensured that any future mutants would have a sign to wear and a lusus to raise them, but the same protections likely didn't exist for limebloods. If Karkat had been born without his mutation...
* In alchemy, silver is associated with the moon. In astrology, each zodiac sign is presided over by a celestial body. In classical interpretations, Cancer is presided over by the moon. To put it more concisely, silver = moon, and moon = Cancer, so, therefore, silver = Cancer. What color does Karkat type in?
* As of the writing of this entry, Nepeta's encounter with Gamzee ended with him closing in on her threateningly, and jumping to another scene. Although there was green blood on Gamzee's club, it is still unknown whether she's dead or alive. So would that make her a ... [[UsefulNotes/SchrodingersCat Schrödinger's Cat]][[{{CatGirl}} Girl]]?
** The cat is out of the bag. Nepeta's body is seen separated from its head.
* Nepeta's NumerologicalMotif is 33, the atomic number of arsenic and a double CatSmile. 3 x 3 also equals 9 -- the number of lives a cat has. She's also died three times -- first when Gamzee killed her, second when her dreamself died, and third when Fefetasprite blew up.
* Nepeta seems to sleep with her lusus rather than in a recuperacoon, thus her dreams are filled with her species' history of violence. In other words, her dreams are probably filled with EXCITING TALES FROM THE HUNT, which explains why she acts so feral and yet so adorable. May also qualify as FridgeHorror.
** Also it might explain why she has circles underneath her eyes - she might not get as good sleep from it.
** And look at her coat. At first glance, it may seem like an ordinary coat that an artist like Nepeta would wear. Take another look at it. ''Nepeta's coat is a hunting coat''.
* The Disciple, Nepeta's ancestor, was obsessed with recording the teachings of the Sufferer, Karkat's ancestor. Karkat loves Rom-Coms and talking about romance. Suddenly, Nepeta's shipping wall makes a lot of sense.
* The Sufferer, Karkat's ancestor, and the Disciple, Nepeta's, had what was described as basically a perfect, fairy-tale romance. No wonder Nepeta had such a crush on Karkat - their ancestors had the kind of love story that would have been irresistible to her. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for us to think she saw herself and Karkat as the next Disciple and Sufferer.
** Related: The Sufferer and Disciple's romance connects to Nepeta and Karkat's Sgurb titles, The Rogue of Heart and the Knight of Blood respectively.
* Nepeta's assignation being the Rogue of Heart.
** Cat burglars.
** The catmints in the genus [[NamesTheSame Nepeta]] have heart-shaped leaves.
** The Heart Chakra (Anahatha) is green.
* Watch Kanaya's hairstyle very carefully, particularly the bangs on the side of her head. Then, compare it to the traditional vampire cape.
** Also, after coming back from the dead, she's '''bloody''', and her last name is '''Mary'''am.
*** It can also be a reference to the biblical Virgin Mary, since her sign is Virgo and she's set to raise the new mother grub.
* Initially, the Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff message of "Are you next" following Kanaya's death seemed fairly tasteless to a lot of people, given the circumstances. Until recent updates, that is. Remember why [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Bro killed Jeff in that comic?]] And what Kanaya is likely doing right now?
* Kanaya's sign is Virgo. Her last name is '''Mary'''am. Think about that for a minute.
** On a related note, her ancestor--who is, presumably, also named Maryam and shares the Virgo symbol--was the mother of their planet's metaphoric troll Jesus.
* Kanaya's blood is a rare deep shamrock green, and the only main troll to have it. She fills in many roles for other trolls' Ashen Quadrants, and none of the other characters act as auspistices or mediate, so Kanaya is heavily associated to it. The symbol for the Ashen Quadrant is a club, but for a troll with such particular blood...it could also be a shamrock.
* Kanaya is one of the only, if not the only troll that enjoys sunlight. Her main relations are Vriska and Rose, both of whom are heroes of light.
** Her lusus is a moth, which are also drawn to light.
* Read [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004223 Kanaya's introduction page]] while listening to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE Monty Python's Lumberjack Song]].
* Kanaya's title is actually an IncrediblyLamePun when you think about it. Sylphs are mythological creatures that manipulate air. In other words, [[LipstickLesbian Kanaya]] is a Fairy.
* This might be fairly obvious but it makes sense that Kanaya became the rainbow drinker; she was under the sign Virgo and in various vampire mythology only virgins can become vampires.
* Kanaya's NumerologicalMotif is 6. Her name is six letters long.
** This doesn't really count, though, as all of the Trolls have six-letter names, both first and last. Even Vriska Serket, who's NumerologicalMotif is 8.
** Well, her aspect symbol has six arms. Her lusus has six body segments/legs. The sentence 'You are one of the few' has six words and is repeated six times in her introduction. She has six different sets of clothes aside of her 'work clothes'. She was the last and sixth player to add to Team Red. And last but not least, her zodiac sign is the sixth.
* Kanaya capitalizes the first letter of every word she types. Outside of Homestuck, who else does this? '''Jade'''n Smith!
* Kanaya's typing quirk involves [[SelfDemonstratingArticle Capitalizing Every Word She Types]]. How does one do that? By hitting the shift key with their pinky after every word. The pinky is stereotypically held up when drinking tea or in other 'dignified' past times, Why does Kanaya have such fine motor control? Because it befits a lady like [[LadyOfWar her]].
* One of the [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004243 first times we hear from Eridan]], he asks Kanaya to auspistice between himself and Vriska. Auspisticing means [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004297 preventing a feud from boiling over into an especially violent rivalry]]. And when Vriska and Eridan are about to face off in a duel... Kanaya [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005428 does]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005435 intervene]].
* Why is Kanaya so girly? Because in the WesternZodiac, [[TheSmurfettePrinciple Virgo is the only girl]]!
* Terezi's Lusus is a dragon because it has many scales.
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004028 The first time you caught a glimpse of this world in your dreams, there was no turning back.]] This statement of Terezi's awakening gains more meaning when you realize it was the last thing she ever saw.
* As a Seer of Mind, Terezi could see the imaginary Dirk that Jake made. In the Alterniabound flash, she tells Tavros to not let anyone say to him that Rufio isn't real. Rufio is indeed real - Terezi could see (in a sense) him! [[HeartwarmingInHindsight Terezi wasn't just cheering Tavros up, she was completely sincere!]]
* At first, it looks like Terezi's crying [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006665 here]], because it's recently after her eyes were burned, and she was blinded. Except she's actually [[EyeScream BLEEDING]] out her eyes.
* Neophyte Redglare took Marquise Spinneret Mindfang's eye and arm using Pyralspite, her dragon. Terezi took Vriska's eye and arm using [[color:#2ED73A:D]][[color:white:o]][[color:#2ED73A:c Scratch]], [[color:#2ED73A:Lord English]]'s [[TheDragon Dragon]].
* Recall back when Terezi sent John to get mauled by his Denizen and we all thought she was a big evil bitch? Now, take into account the revelation that Terezi can see the outcomes of doomed timelines, as demonstrated by Vriska. Terezi ''deliberately facilitated the doomed timeline in order to aid the alpha. She was actually helping the whole time.''
** She does claim to not have thought of that, though.
* So all the trolls have [[HornedHumanoid horns]] that correspond to their Zodiac sign, right? So okay, some are pretty straightforward, like Aradia, Tavros and Gamzee, whose horns are based on their respective animals. Others, like Vriska, Kanaya, Eridan, and Feferi, have horns modeled after their symbol. Terezi, however, has these short, perfectly conical horns. What in Hussie's name does that have to do with her sign? Look at this[[http://fav.me/d59okm2 this]] picture of Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}. [[{{Homage}} their horns are exactly alike]], and both are {{Blind Weaponmaster}}s who believe in [[JusticeWillPrevail justice!]] Hussie, you magnificent son of a bitch!
* Dragons are depicted in myth as very LongLived, if not outright immortal. It seems that Terezi inherited some of their resilience.
* Why are Vriska's psychic powers so powerful, despite being a highblood? Because she's only ever seen using them on lowbloods, who are reputed to have low psychic tolerance.
** On a related note, Vriska is the only highblood we know of with a psychic ability, and her powers are used almost exclusively to subjugate and control lowbloods.
*** On another related note, Vriska is not a highblood, but a blueblood (Cerulean, specifically, the lowest noble caste). The highbloods were of the purple caste like Gamzee, the highest ranking land-dwellers. They mostly seemed to be the Subjugglators and also possessed strong psychic powers referred to as the chucklevoodoos, which was used to control the more numerous lower castes by giving the race constant terrible nightmares. And lowbloods are more vulnerable to psychic powers.
* Vriska's treatment of Tavros makes more sense when you consider that, based on his ancestor (the Summoner), she expected him to be both her Matesprit and her killer.
* [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004875 Vriska admits]] to allowing Bec to prototype himself for rather selfish purposes, but she does make a good point. Bec Noir already exists, and due to the circular nature of time, any action which successfully stops this from happening will merely create a splintered timeline, [[FateWorseThanDeath doomed to temporal erasure.]] If anything, she's simply being [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic in her jerkassery]]; [[GenreSavvy she knows]] she can't undo Bec Noir, so she's trying to [[TrickedOutTime take advantage of the temporal loop]] to try and come out ahead.
** Then again, if Bec Noir was always fated to come into being no matter what anyone did, it's possible Vriska didn't have to get involved with his creation at all and was just using it as an excuse to steal the limelight, like a Thief of (Lime)Light would.
* Vriska's huge gamble at making Bec Noir and such normally seems stupid. But bear in mind that dangerous trolls are given moirails to keep this from happening. Vriska's moirail has been shunning her. It would have been more surprising if she DIDN'T wind up doing something like this.
* Remember how during the buildup to Vriska's death, the transition to the next pages always read "Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock." Now, at first it seems to just be a reference to the clock which decides whether the death of a god tier was heroic or just, as it ticked away in Vriska's final moments. However, if you think about this in relation to who Vriska is as a character, it turns into more of a fridge brilliance. Simply put, Vriska is or aspires to be a one armed, one eyed pirate. A certain other one armed, one armed pirate,(Read, Captain Hook), was continually haunted by a crocodile who would make "Tick Tock" noises whenever he approached due to the fact that he swallowed a clock, and was scared to death of this crocodile because that was how it was prophesied he would die. See the connection. Andrew Hussie has made Vriska into a walking (And dying) Peter Pan reference.
* Vriska wasn't just wrong about being able to stop Jack, she was wrong that ''he would choose to fight her''. Once more, she drastically misjudges someone's psychology, SmugSnake that she is.
* Vriska's already killed both Tavros and John, both of whom were {{Love Interest}}s of hers. That makes her a [[StealthPun Black Widow!]]
** [[ItMakesSenseInContext She has officially]] [[ScrewYourself entered into a Kismesitude with herself]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil against her will]], [[DespairEventHorizon driving herself to]] [[DrivenToSuicide double-suicide]].
*** A Mary Sue [[UnintentionalUnsympatheticVillain tries to be sympathetic]] about being a rapist, or just [[RapeAsDrama happens to get raped]] in a situation that makes no sense. Of course a Parody Sue would [[UpToEleven rape herself]] and [[TropesAreNotBad still be a sympathetic character]].
* Why does Vriska think she could hook up with Tavros even though they are basically opposites? Because Vriska is the Troll equivalent of a Sociopath, and Tavros is the Troll equivalent of someone with Asperger's Syndrome. A common misconception is that these two disorders are just two different names for the same thing, and this misconception is most common among Sociopaths, and least common among those with Asperger's Syndrome.
* When Tavros charged at Vriska, she stopped him with her arachnidsGrip.
** Then she proceeds to take his lance away from him, stab and kill him, and throw him off a ledge.
*** adiosToreador.
* The apparent dissonance between Vriska being embarrassed about killing Tavros and dismissive of the trolls she killed to feed her Lusus make more sense when you think about it for a bit. The trolls she killed for her Lusus were so that her Lusus wouldn't eat ''her'', so she saw it as business. Tavros' murder, however, was personal, even more so than Aradia's, which was specifically a revenge strike. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005367 She even says as much]].
* According to Aranea, the cobalt-blood PsychicPowers are primarily about [[TheEmpath empathy]], and the "maniupl8ion" is just a byproduct of that. She describes how strange and awkward it is to constantly feel what everyone around you is feeling about you, especially negative emotions, and how [[UnhappyMedium isolated]] it made her feel. Now, consider: Aranea comes from pre-Scratch Alternia, which operates under a much less oppressive/insane system than the totalitarian TeenageWasteland of post-Scratch Alternia, and likely had far more face-to-face interactions among young trolls. Vriska, then, is an empath, but one who has rarely interacted with anyone at close enough range to feel their emotions, instead communicating mostly through chats and only using her powers to [[KickTheDog be a jackass]] to people far away from her. And then the game begins, and all of a sudden she's actually face-to-face with everyone... and feeling exactly how much they hate her guts. Is it any wonder, then, that she's less nasty in person than on Trollian?
** Tavros seems to suppress his emotions, especially his negative ones. Vriska seems to act like an asshole most to Tavros, especially in person. Could Tavros' emotional problems have inadvertently played a role in his paralysis and death?
** It goes MUCH deeper than that. Vriska was an empath on a planet full of bloodthirsty trolls. No, worse: she's an empath who was forced to kill other kids her own age to survive. She would have felt everything they did as they died: their fear, their rage, their grief, their hatred. It's no wonder she grew up to be such a sociopath; she's literally had to force herself to not care about how other people fear to avoid going insane.
* The fat Vriska jokes. Antares, the brightest star in Scorpio, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares#Properties is massive]].
* Some of the several Vriska themes are based of Chrystalanthemums with increasing silly names. The chrysanthemum is the Scorpio flower.
** ...and also the national one of Japan, which is known as the land of the rising sun, tying in to her Light aspect.
* Pretty much every troll's horns resemble their sign. Equius? Arrow-shaped horn+broken straight piece of horn = bow-and-arrow sign. And so on.
** And if not the sign, the what it represents. Aradia's horns are more curved than the Aries symbol, but they do look exactly like ram's horns.
* You can actually see Equius’ blood color under his shades, unlike the others. If you've watched enough police procedural shows, you've heard the word [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petechia petechia]] associated with the bloodshot eyes of strangling victims. Remember how Equius seemed so creepy and perverse that the Narrator delayed introducing him? Remember how ''happy'' he looked when he's being strangled to death by Gamzee??
* Think about this for a second. Equius has '''blue''' blood. His troll handle is centaurs'''Testicle'''. What was the end result of Gamzee strangling him?
* Q: Equius is so freakishly strong, [[FridgeLogic wasn't he strong enough to break the bowstring with his neck muscles]]? A: [[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#mspadventures158881785575405344 Yes]].
* Equius's Trollian name is relevant to his interests. PlayedForLaughs anyway with troll culture's "Fine Art".
* Equius' lusus is referred to as male... and then... Equius likes drinking his lusus' milk... Oh.. Oh God...
** A male with a lactating udder. Maybe Lusus romance is a bit more complicated than you think?
*** A recent update had Kanaya referring to Jade (and humans in general) as "milkbeasts but without the hermaphroditic structures." I'd say that pretty much confirms that Alternian milkbeasts are all hermaphrodites.
* Equius forbidding Nepeta from engaging in EXTREME ROLEPLAYING. Later it's revealed his house has a nice view on Vriska, which means he had a DAMN GOOD REASON for forbidding her. (BTW, if someone could find the fan art showcasing it, it would be cool - couldn't find it on Skaia.Net).
** [[http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?30351-ROMANTIC-FANART-5-We-re-0k-with-this&p=3929102&viewfull=1#post3929102 Here]].
* The reason why Gamzee lived at the beach. Not only because his lusus was a half water half land animal (much like his namesake, the Makara, and the traditonal seagoat associated with Capricorn), but also his status being not a seadweller, but not entirely on land. The two highest on the hemospectrum, Eridan and Feferi, both live (at least, partially) underwater. He's half land, half water.
* Why does Gamzee say the Insane Clown Posse is [=BlAsPhEmY=]? Because [[{{Juggalo}} Subjugglators]] are supposed to be harbingers of death to the lower classes (ie, everyone besides themselves and the sea dwellers), as opposed to the benign, even relatively peaceful representation of Juggalos which the ICP presents.
** Especially when one considers Beta!ICP to be the human equivalents to both personalities of [[UsedToBeASweetKid Pre-Scratch!Gamzee]]
* Why does Gamzee have access to every weapon with the Jokerkind Abstratus? Because the Joker is often considered a wild card.
* Gamzee is originally introduced as the Bard of something. To those who only know bards as the SpoonyBard trope or from tabletop games and [=RPGs=], it makes sense in light of his spacey-ness and general uselessness. The original Celtic bards, however, were the bearers of oral tradition and passed down laws, histories, and folklore. Gamzee is the Bard of Rage because he is meant to remind the trolls of how flat fucking terrifying the Subjugglators were.
** If one plays fast and loose with synonyms, "Bard of Rage" could be rephrased as "[[NamesToRunAwayFrom Herald of Madness]]".
** One synonym for "bard" is "skald". A "scald" can be defined as a type of plant illness caused by excessive sunlight. The Green Sun.
*** Guess what our universe had that Gamzee made worse. Guess what also can be caused by excessive sunlight.
* Gamzee's handle is terminallyCapricious, and in a roundabout way he's ultimately responsible for Jack becoming the all-powerful HeroKiller that he is now. Karkat may have given the Kids' universe cancer, but Gamzee made it terminal.
* This might sound a bit goofy for FridgeHorror, but given that part of Gamzee's mental breakdown is connected to his watching the video for "Miracles" by Insane Clown Posse after Dave sent it to him—imagine what would have happened if Dave had sent him [[http://www.hulu.com/watch/143249 the Saturday Night Live parody instead.]]
* What exactly is Gamzee peddling in [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006727 this flash?]] The blood of the trolls who died before they left their session. Advertised as magic motherfucking elixirs.
** And what each potion is said to do is somehow related to that troll's personality, such as the green potion (Nepeta's blood) making you fall in love.
** Also, when you choose the 'bronze elixir', Gamzee says that "one sip of this potion will cause you to lose the use of your legs. HOWEVER, you will become an EXCELLENT kisser." We can remember when [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005886 he blatantly hit on Tavros]], then later [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005927 when Gamzee is talking to past Dave]] you see Tavros' decapitated head in the background and his blood on Gamzee's lips. Not to mention he says that he likes Dave would like to cut off his head and "ADD A LITTLE STRAWBERRY JAM TO THIS PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICH I'M MAKING BETWEEN MY MOTHER FUCKING LIPS."
*** Worth noting that Gamzee/Tavros is/was a relatively common ship in the fandom with the nickname "peanut butter and jelly", which the last of these points, at least, is a reference to.
* Gamzee quite literally [[StuffedIntoTheFridge stuffed Vriska and Tavros in the fridge]] until they became relevant again.
* Gamzee was (almost) always blurry when he engaged Hero Mode. Why? Because Gamzee wasn't "all the way there", mentally. Notice how his appearance got sharper and sharper as time went on? YouCanPanicNow.
* The [=SBaHJ=] cloud on [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=025.jpg this panel]] is labeled "cloun", and the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005314 panel referencing that strip]] has [[MonsterClown Gamzee]] in that cloud.
* Clubs Deuce is a goofy-seeming fellow perfectly happy to blow people up. Gamzee, a goofy fellow turned slasher villain, wields the Deuce Clubs
* Jane: Proceed reveals the very much alive Gamzee, who's sporting a God-tier outfit. Since he has scratches on his face and isn't dead, this clearly is the Alpha Timeline Gamzee. Since Gamzee's godtier, it explains his strength.
* The fact that not ''once'' has a dreambubble Gamzee been seen could mean many things. But the most worrisome is the possibility that Gamzee has ''never'' died. '''Ever.''' We've never seen a dreambubble Gamzee because there isn't one, because out of all the alternate timelines not a single iteration of Gamzee Makara has died.
** Either that or all his dead selves are busy with something. At the same time. Not sure which possibility is worse.
** He has been seen [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007327 here]] in the Dream Bubble where both sets of trolls finally meet. The peculiar thing is, while there many alternate, dead, dream, and god tier selves of the trolls, there's only ''one'' Gamzee, in god tier clothes. Seems suspicious...
*** There was also only one Vriska and Meenah present, so it's likely his alternate selves are just off doing something.
*** And even then, that Gamzee has yellow eyes, meaning he's alive, meaning we ''still'' haven't seen any proof of any Gamzee dying at any point in time.
*** Roxy mentions that death is an excellent trick to sober oneself up. Now that Gamzee (who is revealed to be fake-god tier) has more bullet holes than he can count...
*** Gamzee is only confirmed to be wearing a fake-god tier costume, and likely this can be attributed to the same reason he fails to die from what ought to be rather fatal: clown antics.
* Gamzee exhibits an apparent resistance to death, despite not being god tier (so far as we can tell). Meaning he's a crazy, murderous clown (who worships a perpetually scowly individual with a stunted childhood development) that wears purple and has a nigh unbreakable immunity to being killed for no adequately explained reason. [[ComicBook/TheJoker Remind you of anyone?]] And what so happens to be Gamzee's Strife Specubus?
* Ever since Gamzee was introduced, his speech pattern has been an occasionally annoying mix of upper and lowercase letters. This speech pattern? The effects of the sopor slime pie literally meshing his split personalities together and giving him a semblance of sanity.
** A miracle is not a good thing if you're the one getting beaten by it.
** [[IncrediblyLamePun Gamzee's off his meds.]] Tasteless yes, but strangely accurate.
** When Karkat first expresses his distaste for Gamzee's typing style, he responds by typing in all lowercase, but eventually says that it doesn't feel natural and that it's better to do "wHaT fEeLs [=RiGhT aT wHeRe YoUr HeArT's=] Up In". More possible foreshadowing?
** Gamzee is a Capricorn. As in "capricious". His text alternates because he keeps changing his mind.
* Ready for some FridgeLogic AND [[FridgeHorror Horror]] at the same time? [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005261 the 1/26/11]] update implies that AxCrazy Gamzee is using the Trollian viewports to know where the others will be in the future to intercept and kill them. FridgeLogic dictates that any time Gamzee uses this to kill someone, he's changing the future and creating a doomed timeline; therefore, we already know that any attempt of his to take advantage of this will end in failure. The FridgeHorror? It also means that there are hundreds of alternate timelines out there where Gamzee has killed someone/''everyone'' and there was nothing his victims could do to escape him. Have fun with that thought.
** No, it would not be possible for him to just create doomed timelines like that. If he was going to attack any of the Trolls, the Trollian viewports would show it happening, because it would not be possible for him to go against it. Remember, any attempt to change or analyze the future has already happened, just like in pretty much every other instance of weird time shit in the story.
*** Don't you remember when [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004994 Terezi tried to get Dave to send himself to God Tier?]] The Dave sleeping on the Quest Bed, purely by the fact that he had chosen to travel to the future rather than wait, was from an alternate (doomed) timeline. So let's say Gamzee uses his Trollian viewport and sees Terezi walking down some stairs 5 minutes in the future right before having a conversation with Karkat, so he makes sure he's at that staircase 5 minutes in the future and kills her. He's just created a doomed timeline, because now her conversation with Karkat never happens and the future has been changed. In the "alpha" timeline, because he could see Terezi talking with Karkat, something, anything, will happen to prevent Gamzee from successfully intercepting and killing her beforehand. The only time Gamzee will kill someone is because it's been "preordained", not because he uses the viewports to spy on them.
*** Although now this is very unlikely to happen, if he were to see Terezi have the conversation with Karkat, and wait until she's finished her conversation, and then kill her. If he hasn't seen what happens next, or if he saw himself killing her, then the timeline is not necessarily doomed.
*** No, that is simply not possible by the way time travel works in Homestuck. Gamzee, or anyone else looking at Trollian, do not have the ability to change the future. Dave and Aradia do, but even they can only "change" the future in ways that were supposed to happen anyway. The timeline is set in ways that are unshakable by the players. Compare looking at the Trollian viewports to reading the memos: no matter what the Trolls think about the memos, they are inevitably going to write exactly what they and others have seen written, because it has all already happened. They do not have the ability or the option to change what they have already and are going to write. Looking at future memos and resolving to not write them is not going to create doomed timelines, because events have been conspired to ensure the timeline goes exactly the way it is supposed to with no unnecessary interruptions. Also compare it to the frog cloning minigame of Sburb - despite the weird time travel shit involved, it is impossible for Kanaya or Jade to create paradoxes.
*** Remember when Terezi created a doomed timeline by convincing John to jump ahead and fight his Denizen? Or the Doomed timeline in which Terzi does not kill Vriska? It's possible for any of them to create doomed timelines the predestination only means that the Alpha timeline always happens there are any number of alternate timelines... and in some of those Gamzee might have killed more people. Even Rose talks about the notion of not following through with her first conversation with Kanaya (which wasn't her anyway but this was hypothetical) and creating a Doomed timeline.
*** Too bad Gamzee still has never died even in a doomed timeline.
*** Any Doomed Timeline likely results in a Time player returning to fix it. Anyone can be the one who messes things up, but it will universally result in a Time player fixing it. Thus, Gamzee could not splinter the timeline indefinitely as there was no time player to stop him from altering the Alpha.
*** Doomed timelines can happen without Time players, but they have [[LawOfConservationOfDetail no impact on the Alpha timeline]].
*** What was that don't do it / don't ''not'' do it quote from ''{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}}'' again?
---->'''Farnsworth:''' ...You mustn't interfere with the past! Don't do anything that affects anything, unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case, for the love of God, ''don't not do it!''
* In Seek the Highb100d, you can get behind the monitor as Equius, it's behind the same room you started in... And then you find Gamzee soon after, meaning that Gamzee may have been listening, [[RunningGag neigh]] , ''watching you'' '''''the whole time''''
* During Hivebent, when Gamzee and Equius are talking to each other, Gamzee says "[=iF i CoUlD mAkE yOu SmIlE iT'd Be ThE bEsT fUcKiN mIrAcLe I eVeR dId PaRt Of.=]" After Gamzee snaps, he finally DOES make Equius smile... [[HarsherInHindsight by asphyxiating him]]. Shiver.
* From around Gamzee's first appearance: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003914 "Sometimes you just like to pick stuff up and watch the colors. It's so beautiful. Life is beautiful."]] {{Foreshadowing}}?
* Remember that Gamzee's religion predicts two evil clowns. Lord English goes Honk. Does this mean Lord English is one of the two? If so, who's the second one... oh dear...
** Lord English was born of Doc Scratch. Like Gamzee, he's bifurcated - Lord English is ''both'' of the mirthful messiahs.
*** This is even more so as we learn more of Lord English's past.
* When Gamzee gets ready to attack Nepeta, he's shown switching to his juggling clubs, which are described as "the worst pair of clubs in the universe" in the first Alterniabound flash. Despite the fact that he has a top-tier weapon visible in his syllabus. Why? He's decided on CherryTapping her to death.
** Made even worse when some fanartists take that term and make it...horrendously literal.
** [[FromBadToWorse Even worse]]: Gamzee could be so powerful that he could turn a JokeWeapon into something dangerously lethal.
** [[OverlyLongGag Even worse]]: Some speculate that Nepeta was committing [[SuicideByCop Suicide By Cop]], and that Gamzee chose this to [[CruelMercy keep her alive]] [[ColdBloodedTorture as long as]] [[ForTheEvulz possible]].
* Why do humans have good-aligned clowns if Earth was made by a race with only evil clowns? Because our clowns are based on Pre-Scratch!Gamzee, who would never have had a motive to kill anyone, and would have had therapy for the outbursts his blood-class is prone to.
** He also would have known a therapist personally. Vriska never would have known Spidermom, never would have been desensitized to killing, and because of her Sociopathic tendencies, which Beforus would have turned into a gift, would understand why Pre-Scratch!Gamzee would have his urges, and would know what to say to make him see that he had a choice not to indulge.
* Where did Gamzee get his time machines? He got them from Damara, who is easily as AxCrazy as him and also wishes to support Lord English. Like Kurloz, she's also been helping Gamzee.
** Alternatively, he may have gotten them from his kismesis, Terezi.
* If you look closely at the page where Gamzee's revealed to be the most important character in Homestuck, he initially comes off as creepy. However, with recent events, it's revealed that Gamzee's good again. If you look again, you'll realize that it's Gamzee's normal expression, except covered in blood.
** If Gamzee didn't raise Calliope/Caliborn even CAL wouldn't have existed, so he may essentially be the most important.
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003914 Colors]] Imagine now, he is crazy and talking about blood. Enjoying the colors. All of them.
* Gamzee was never "the most important character in Homestuck". Look who he's holding in his lap in that scene. It was Li'l Cal all along.
* Early in Gamzee's playthrough, Gamzee makes the accusation that Tavros "sToLe [Gamzee's] [=NoSe=]" (Tavros' normal emoticon is "}:)", Gamzee's is ":o)", Tavros had just written his as "}:o)" to screw with Gamzee). Compare Gamzee's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_face face]] to his emoticon: [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110930042232/mspaintadventures/images/6/60/Gamzee_Makara.png It has no nose]].
** Similarly, Vriska's winking face has one eye closed and seven open. It may seem like just a coin-flip of how to handle an eight-eyed face winking (between one eye and four eyes), but since seven of Vriska's eyes are covered by the same eyelid she could only close one eye, seven eyes, no eyes, or all of her eyes, and there's no reasonable way to wink with the ''other'' seven emoticon eyes.
* Eridan is descibed as being a bit of a tool, correct? Usually, his tool-ness shows when desperately talking or acting for a redrom or blackrom with one of the other eleven trolls or either one of the two female kids. Literally, he is acting like a tool because he is THINKING with ONLY [[ICallHimMisterHappy HIS TOOL!]] It gets better when you realize his weapon of choice in Alternia and SGRUB is his phallic laser rifle, or his white magic wand, which trades up style for simplicity. Best of all, Undead!Kanaya's SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in slaying her murderer Eridan becomes a series of [[VisualPun Visual Puns]] when you see her snap in half Eridan's wand, chainsaw his torso area, and remember her first-strike GroinAttack against Sober!Gamzee.
* Despite being part of the aristocracy, Eridan apparently spends [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004348 very little time underwater]]. This is because, unlike Pisces, Aquarius isn't a water sign - it's an ''air'' sign.
* Eridan's surname is taken from a water container in AncientGrome, and bears the title of Prince of Hope. Eridan is Pandora's Box: Evil in an unassuming package. Some interpretations even state Hope was the last evil in the box.
** Also, it should be no surprise that the Amporas are obsessed with sexuality, since their shared last name ''refers to a bucket''.
*** That's not even mentioning the myth Greeks and Romans used to explain his sign, Aquarius: It's Ganymede, a pretty prince Zeus fell in lust with and kidnapped to be his... cough... "cupbearer".
* Romans had U and V be the same letter, so they pronounced their Vs with a U sound. Eridan doubles his Vs, transforming them into Ws, which sound pretty much like Us. Therefore, Eridan has a classic Roman accent, which explains why the others say his wavy accent sounds ridiculous.
** And his username is caligulasAquarium.
* Since magic is not real, Eridan uses science power for combat. Sollux was blinded in his fight against Eridan. In other words, Eridan blinded him [[ThomasDolby with science!]]
** [[http://tindeck.com/album/lrfzi Now in song form!]]
* With the revelation that the class [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006464 Prince is the most active and destroyer of all of them]] is it really surprising [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005243 that Eridan destroyed the last shred of hope that they had?]]
* Eridan is generally seen as being a desperate loser who was borderline sociopathic even by the trolls' standards. Up until you consider the fact that all the trolls were still children, still on the road to being mature adults. Except for Eridan, who was ''already'' mature and already doing whatever he had to in order to make sure his species lived. He hated Vriska - he was her kismesis for a while, remember - but he still allied with her to get lusii to feed Feferi's horrorterror lusus and keep it from screaming...even though all he'd need in order to pull off that genocide he kept threatening would be to neglect just one scheduled feeding. And avoiding the drones? Well, there's a reason he was hitting on anyone who seemed like they were showing interest - he was coming on strong for a kid, but for all we know he was coming on [[MateOrDie just right]] for an ''adult''. Frankly, if Eridan were human, he'd be that loner who's way too mature for his age and who creeps out the rest of his peer group as a result.
* The mentally ill tend to see themselves as more lucid and realistic than those around them, and have trouble making others understand the way they see the world. Sound familiar? Eridan's unable to relate to others because of his sociopathy and depression, but to his warped perceptions, it's ''everyone else'' who doesn't understand.
* In a society where buckets are seen as lewd, Eridan is a bit of a perv. What does his constellation look like? [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarius_%28constellation%29 A bucket...]]
** A man pouring out the contents of a bucket. Troll buckets contain material that propagates their race. If you were to pour it out, you would be interfering with the reproduction process, which is what Eridan does when he hopesplodes the Matriorb.
** Could you say he is [[ADateWithRosiePalms spilling seed]]?
** [[http://bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/post/40681915358/they-got-the-void-player-with-a-pumpkin-where-did Hope tends to be represented by such things on a regular base]].
* In a sick way, Eridan's murder of Feferi makes sense symbolically. He sees her as having taken hope from him when they broke up, so he wanted to take life- Feferi's aspect- from her.
* Fans caught on to the symbolism during Eridan's betrayal and Feferi's death, but a Prince can also destroy ''with'' Hope. Because of his false hope that Bec Noir would spare him if they joined forces, almost everything was destroyed.
** The death of the Hero of Space resulted in the impossibility of an inhabited universe and [[CameBackStrong her revival]] made it possible for her to get the Matriorb back, allowing the new universe to contain life.
** And the the only survivor was Sollux, the Hero of Doom. Eridan could destroy as long as he liked, but he could not destroy the doom that his session would face.
* The fact that the Life symbol [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Lifeofficial.PNG kind of looks like a pair of tentacles]] make sense when you remember [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Feferi_Lusus.png Feferi's Lusus]].
* Feferi's little marine zoo must attract a lot of predators. Large predators that Eridan can hunt for her lusus.
* Damara mainly speaks Japanese, and when you translate what she says into English, it's pretty lewd... because Damara is a parody of people in hentai animes/Asian porno flicks.
* Why is Damara from a FantasyCounterpartCulture version of Japan? Remember Aradia's original characterization of being a StringyHairedGhostGirl, which usually is based on the Japanese cultural belief in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onry%C5%8D onryo]]. (WordOfGod even made reference to Aradia being based on "every Japanese horror movie ever")
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005975 "Run, Aradia's ancestor! Run!!!!"]] Wait a minute... isn't she [[YouCantFightFate stuck]] in a StableTimeLoop which makes it a ForegoneConclusion that she'll [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005969 become the Handmaid]]? [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005979 Yes she is]]. 0_0
* The Summoner was a Rufio/Peter Pan reference. And what was the legacy he left behind? A world made up entirely of kids. A literal Neverland.
* Kankri has sleep bags under his eyes, implying he has nightmares often. His post-scratch counterpart had visions of what Beforus was like. It's not unreasonable to assume that Kankri had nightmares of Alternia's bloody history like the post-scratch trolls all do. Similarly, it looks like A2!Mom Lalonde knew Roxy would eventually arrive, possibly due to some residual memory of the other Earth. (Maybe it's a Seer thing?)
** This edges into FridgeHorror when you realize [[CruelAndUnusualDeath how the Sufferer died.]]
* Kankri dismisses Porrim's concern for the status of women. Seems like a simple case of hypocrisy, but Porrim pointed out that on the surface (Lord English is still working behind the scenes) trolls are at least somewhat matriarchal. Thus, Kankri has some reason to think it's an unnecessary cause; he's still being a huge JerkAss and {{Hypocrite}} about it because Porrim has a legitimate cause, but there is some reason behind his thinking.
* FridgeBrilliance regarding the Sufferer: his last words were the Vast Expletive. One of the last things Jesus said on the cross? "My God, why have you forsaken me?"
** Kankri would likely have also forgiven them anyway as a passive-agressive jab. The very next thing Jesus says, and his last words before dying, were "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing."
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005872 "MY BLOOD IS NOT FIT TO FLOW THROUGH A SEWER, AND MY SIGN IS A PICTOGRAPHIC SYMBOL THAT LOOSELY TRANSLATES AS]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005955 'PLEASE HIKE THESE PANTS UP TO THIS GUY'S ARMPITS, CHAIN HIM TO A FLOGGING JUT, AND MAKE A FUCKING EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS SORRY SACK OF SHIT.'"]]
* [[http://elanorpam.tumblr.com/post/73879127567/so-lets-talk-about-the-cult-of-the-signless Cancer trolls are essentially doomsday cardinals]], as the Sufferer's teachings imply, and cardinals are associated with the colour red.
* Karkat's ancestor aka the sufferer, is most likely troll jesus. Take into account that we, with our red blood, are more or less modeled in Karkat's image. In other words, he's an inversion of the Father/Son part of the Holy Trinity. Furthermore, after arguing with his past and future selves, he refers to them as "past and future ghosts," or to fit with the theme, the Holy Spirit(s). Oh, and by the way; "the disciple Jesus loved" was none other than John the Apostle.
** The Sufferer isn't the only Christ-related allegory character.
*** Sollux's ancestor, the Ψiioniic is Simon Peter. A close friend to the MessianicArchetype, who ended up dying in a torturous way.
*** Nepeta's ancestor, the Disciple, is Mark the Evangelist, whose personal symbol was ''a lion.'' Alternatively, she's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_whom_Jesus_loved "The beloved disciple]], or Mary Magdalene, who some scholars claimed was Jesus' Lover/wife.
*** Kanaya's ancestor, The Dolorosa, is obviously Virgin Mary.
*** Equius' ancestor, The E%ecutor, is a combination of Pontius Pilate, the roman official who was pressured into carrying out Jesus' execution, and the semi-apocryphal figure Longinus, the Roman soldier who pierced Jesus' side with a spear. (Only he shot the sufferer with an Arrow instead.) In fact, given his later HeelFaceTurn and name change, you ''could'' argue that he has some shades of Saul/St. Paul too.
** If you want to get more Biblical, think back to how John, the first guy we meet in the series, got into the Medium: he bit an apple that the first girl we met in the series helped him obtain.
** The same guy and girl who apparently must eventually hook up, at least if you believe a [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/MATINGDIAGRAMFORMORONS.gif horrible shipping chart made by an alien Jesus]], that is, Karkat.
** On a side note: even odds that his name turns out to be "[[BrickJoke Jegus.]]"
** How has nobody mentioned the biblical David and Jonathan? Jonathan was even technically the "heir," and while calling David a "knight" is a stretch, he was a warrior!
** Considering the parallels that ''aren't'' there adds a whole new layer to this. Jesus was both God and Man, proved that by rising from the dead, and that resurrection was one of the main reasons so many converted to Christianity. Now consider that had the Sufferer been an ancendent instead of a dancestor, he would have had a ''very'' good chance of making God Tier. His death was neither especially Heroic nor remotely Just, so had he been God Tier, he would have returned from the dead. And if he had returned, his religion might very well have flourished as Christianity did.
* Before the Sufferer ever had a chance to reach a single soul, the Dolorosa committed the original act of rebellion against Alternian society by saving him from certain culling. The pre-Scratch trolls with the biggest tendency to deconstruct the biggest tenets of their own troll society are Kankri ''and Porrim''.
* Her being a mage makes sense when one switches the u in her name [[KingArthur for an r]].
* There is a part in the constellation Leo being called the sickle, which represents the head and explains why the Leijons always have the Vantas family 'on their minds'.
* Porrim is the Maid of Space, that is, "someone who fixes space". She sees the problems of the notion that each gender has their own predetermined place (or 'space', if you will) and wants to fix that.
* Though it hasn't been revealed if Neophyte Redglare was blind or not, why would someone of a Nocturnal race need to wear sunglasses if she wasn't blind? Her lusus' eyes are as bright as the sun, That's why!
** Justice is blind.
*** Holy crap. The Goddess of Justice is always depicted with a blindfold...''it all makes sense!''
* With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?
** FridgeHorror: Considering that Aranea [[MindRape "healed"]] Jake, who's to say that Gamzee running out of sopor slime wasn't what caused him to go AxCrazy, and that Aranea "fixed" him too?
*** Gamzee flips his shit before he could have met Aranea. At the same time, however, quite a few of the weird things he's done since then (breaking off his moirallegiance with Karkat, entering a kismesissitude with Terezi despite never hinting at having blackrom feelings for her) make a bit more sense if you think Aranea had a hand in it.
*** Indeed; Gamzee would have no reason to care enough about Terezi's eyes enough to bully her into fixing them, and he's not particularly witty under normal circumstances so why he suddenly KNOWS WH4T TO S4Y TO P1SS M3 OFF is a bit odd. Terezi also didn't give a shit about his opinion beforehand. Aranea, however, was raised to believe that she should help those that need it whether or not they actually want it, and knows people well enough to know what would make Terezi upset enough to heal her eyes. Failing that, she could have pushed Gamzee into using his fear manipulation powers to make Terezi react as if he'd said something really cutting when he hadn't, which would also partly explain why Terezi was such a mess - he'd been using his voodoos.
** Further horror; a moirallegiance is a romantic relationship based on intense psychological intimacy, and a moirail is supposed to calm their partner and fix their problems. Aranea switches off Gamzee's rage entirely against his will, and heals Jake when he specifically and repeatedly told her not to. By troll standards, is this rape?
*** This also means every Serket other than Pre-Scratch!Vriska has committed rape at least once, and that every quadrant has been done.
* Kurloz's muteness makes plenty of sense considering he is essentially an exagerated Gamzee, after Gamzee went crazy his quirk became based on his voice fluctuating between speaking quietly and loudly so after Kurloz's "nightmare" he became mute and uses his telepathy to shout directly into a person's head.
* Kurloz is betraying the gang as Gamzee did, but in a much less blatantly violent manner. This might be just a difference between Alternian and Beforusian troll behaviour, but in addition, Kurloz was never addicted to sopor slime. Gamzee's rampage may indeed have been worsened by withdrawal.
* A likely unintentional example; ''Dualscar'''s sign is two jagged lines.
** No, that probably ''was'' intentional.
* The Dolorosa was killed by Orphaner Dualscar. The Sufferer may have already been dead, but Dualscar ''orphaned'' him.
* Her Imperial Condescension's aggressive girliness is deliberately done to annoy Lord English, as we all know how Caliborn feels about all things feminine. Possibly as the only form of rebellion she's capable of, possibly so that he'll pay as little attention to her as possible (thus allowing her to plot against him in relative peace), or probably both.
* It turns out The Condesce had access to various psychic powers such as [[TheBeastmaster controlling animals]]. Now one must think how much of the trolling/jerk-like actions of God Cat were ''really'' because of her using those abilities.
** In a way, God Cat is also forced to serve ''Lord English'' as well. He's that bad that other First Guardians are powerless!
*** But wait, isn't ''Jade'' part First Guardian/Dog?
*** Abilities likely only extend to full animals or won't work on someone who is part human/troll (especially a god tier player).
*** It has also been suggested that the Condesce has all the powers of the Troll Ancestors. If this is the case, she has the Sufferer's ability to remember the pre-scratch Alternia, from before it was made a murderland. She just doesn't care.
*** If Meenah is anything to go by... it's not that she doesn't care. It's that she finds the idea of the Empress being the "first servant of her nation", as in obligated to help and aid every troll who needs it, boring and unbearable.
*** Oh, the Condesce's powers were very much usable on Jade...
* Take the word "Batterwitch". Now replace the b and the w. You get... (wait for it) WatterBitch, otherwise known as Water Bitch.
* "Betty Crocker" has the same number of letters in a typical Troll's name, with one letter shifted to her last name.
** There is a species of fish called the "betta".
** Betty Crocker cooks food. Fish can be cooked in a crockpot.
* In the latest update, Karkat calms Gamzee down by shooshing him and patting his face and the two are established as moirails. Now, way long ago, we got to see Nepeta's shipping wall, where there was a picture of Gamzee and Karkat as moirails, with Gamzee touching Karkat's face. Nepeta noted that it's still plausible, but that the [[ForeShadowing roles will have to be dramatically reversed.]]
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005971 On this page, it says that the Handmaid and the Condesce are the last two trolls alive]]. But what happened to God tier Aradia?
** [[NeckSnap The Condesce happened]].
** "The last two trolls alive" almost certainly means the last two trolls in ''that universe''. It's been established that Sgrub is a separate universe from Alternia, and that timelines of separate universes are non-parallel. Comparing chronology between universes is meaningless. Doc Scratch, of all people, would understand this.
*** This also indicates that the fight would take place in the Alternian universe, not Alpha!Human. Helmsman is dead.
* Sopor slime’s name may be derived from the word "sober", given their similar pronunciation and opposite meanings.
** Or the word soporific, which means "tending to induce drowsiness or sleep."
* Vriska and Tavros are NotSoDifferent! They both have deep self-esteem issues, they just deal with it in different ways. Vriska hides her insecurity by acting overbearing and lashing out at people; Tavros finds it difficult to assert himself in social situations, and when he tries, [[CrazyJealousGuy goes]] [[EntitledToHaveYou overboard]]. Neither of them knows what self-confidence really is, and each can be considered reversals of the other (JerkWithAHeartOfGold-BitchInSheepsClothing).
** Of course they would seem similar to most people. Vriska is a Sociopath, and Tavros has Asperger's Syndrome. Practically the only way to know these are different things is to know someone with one disorder and to actually have the other one yourself.
* The Signless and the Summoner are analogies to Suffragists and Suffragettes respectively.
* "There Once was a Man from Trolltucket" would be exactly as offensive to its native audience, but for entirely different reasons.
* [[IncrediblyLamePun As-TROLL-ogy]]?
* LateToThePunchline: The troll equivalent of STRIFE was [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003970 GRIEF]] (in backwards and upside down [[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Daedric]]). The joke is that they're {{troll}}s. They're ''{{grief|er}}ing'' each other.
* When Karkat was explaining Troll Romance to Vriska in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' he told her that Tavros could never hate her the way she hated him because there was something dysfunctional about him that kept him from developing the same degree of hate as everyone else. When Hussie introduced Kanaya, one of the other 'nice' trolls, he repeated a comment from Tavros's introduction about not sleeping much. Suddenly it became clear why Kanaya and Tavros are so nice compared to other trolls: All trolls suffer from psychotic nightmares so bad that they have to sleep in psychoactive goop in order to dull the edge. But Tavros, who can't fit in his cocoon because of his freakish horns, and Kanaya, who stays up late because she's the troll equivalent of a Goth, have minimized their exposure.
** Also another thing why trolls cannot stand their sun and are as such nocturnal. Not only is it because their sun is deadly - traditional trolls literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#Scandinavian_folklore could not stand daylight]] and would [[TakenForGranite turn into stone upon coming in contact with it]].
** Given that we've recently learned that Karkat, and probably the rest of the Trolls, ''can't sleep'', their dream-selves dying may have made them all insomniacs. And if that's the case, Tavros and Kanaya don't just have minimized exposure - they've also got more experience dealing with sleep deprivation. Doubles as FridgeHorror if you think about it too long. - Volouscheur
** Related, the most isolated trolls, Nepeta, Kanaya, and Feferi are among the nicest. Nepeta lives in a cave with her lusus and has to hunt for food, while Feferi can't go very far from hers without getting killed. Meanwhile, Kanaya is both diurnal and lives in an area laden with undead. All of them would have had little contact with troll society and thus wouldn't end up "socialized" like the others. Feferi and Nepeta can get away with not caring about black romance because the imperial drone will never reach them.
** Related to Tavros's incapability to form a Kismesitude, why has he not been executed for failing to provide? The same reason he hasn't been culled for paraplegia. The imperial drone has never visited him.
* In [S] Wake, Hussie is deconstructing at least a few MarySue tropes. In addition to Vriska, who wants to be one, and Jade, who was initially portrayed as one, we also have, most notably:
** Aradia - Born in the lowest rung of her caste system, but has incredible psychic powers and gains the affections of a casteist highblood. Dies and comes back as a ghost with even more power. Possesses her sprite then a robot body, later gains time-travel powers. Resurrects via Dreamself into her God Tier form, which allows her to pause The Demon.
*** Actually, Aradia's psychic powers are most common among her caste. The lower the caste, the more likely that they are going to have some sort of power like hers, Tavros' or Sollux's. (The empresses as well, though they are an obvious exception.) However, those with psychic powers are also more susceptible to other psychic attacks, such as the Vast Glub. A murmur could kill the lower castes but spare the higher ones. If anything, a troll like Vriska with a noble blood color is more unusual to have such a power.
** Kanaya - Born with an incredibly rare blood color, which allows her to be raised by the rare mother grub. She can bear the harsh Alternian sun when no other troll is shown to be able to do so. Her interest in fashion suggests she could also fulfill a few of those tropes, and despite being killed without the benefit of a Quest Bed or any sort of immortality, she returns from the dead -- and judging from what she does to Gamzee, Vriska, and Eridan directly after, she CameBackStrong.
** Feferi - Born in the absolute highest tier of the caste system, and it's stated that if not for SGRUB, she'd have overseen massive changes to Alternian society for the betterment of all (and indeed, her pre-Scratch self ruled over a utopia). She tries to be everyone's friend when troll society says she'd be justified in lording over them all. Raised by a particularly powerful lusus which basically nixes anyone's chance of trying to off her, most notably the current Alternian empress and anyone competing for the position.
** Sollux - Like Aradia, comes with super eyebeam psychic powers, as well as l33t h4xx0r skillz, heterochromatic eyes and a small but endearing flaw (his lii2p). He then dies Saving The Princess and has not one but two extra lives ostensibly because of his 'bifurcated personality', which also makes him prone to truly interminable periods of Wangst. Add to this Aradia, Feferi and [[EvenTheGuysWantHim Eridan]] have all apparently been interested in him in one of the concupiscent quadrants, making him more or less the big troll stud, ''despite'' being basically a moody computer geek.
*** The funny thing is that in most works, they ''would'' be MarySue[=s=]. In ''Homestuck'', they're just characters.
* Compare how [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005197 Dream Feferi dies]] to how [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005436 Eridan dies]].
* In the 1/24 updates, we learned (among other things) that all the sopor slime is gone. Among other things, sopor slime helps to quiet the trolls' violent instincts. Little wonder that Eridan and Gamzee quickly went off the deep end with nothing to hold them in check.
* Why do God Tier trolls (from what we've seen of them anyways) get wings, while the human's God Tier don't? Because trolls are born as ''larva''. Like ''caterpillars''. When they finally achieve God Tier, the trolls are metamorphosing into butterflies!
* Some of the trolls who don't really care about blood color seem to forget the order of the hemospectrum -- [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004046 here]] Sollux can't remember what's lower than yellow and [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004062 here]] Nepeta doesn't seem to know where green lies. You'd think it'd be easy to remember, since it goes from red to violet like a rainbow . . . but since rainbows are created by sunlight filtering through water droplets and most trolls never go out during the day, they've probably never even seen a rainbow! The only time the word "rainbow" has been used in relation to trolls is [[OurVampiresAreDifferent "rainbow drinkers"]], who come out during the day...
* If you think about it, TheReveal that the trolls were in a post-scratch session was possibly foreshadowed (or perhaps there have been coincidences?). Remember in [s] Past Karkat: Wake Up we only got to see the grub versions of "our" trolls, but not the ancestors? Also remember how ectobiology works; by pinpointing someone in time and creating a paradox clone of them. If the trolls had been made with their ancestors' DNA, Karkat would know what the "extra twelve useless wrigglers" were for since the machine had pinpointed at them. Instead, the Ancestor grubs were probably made with a mixture of our trolls' DNA, thus explaining Karkat's belief that the "extra" grubs were "useless".
** The same Flash shows a terminal with twelve screens. It's identical to the kids' terminals other than the amount of screens, and two of the screens have been destroyed. That only happens if a Hero reaches God-Tier. [[spoiler:Future!Aradia]] made it.
* Concerning [S] Wake, maybe all the characters seen in the flash awoke one way or another, besides the obvious...
** Aradia awoke not only to God Tier, but also awoke her normal emotions again, feeling happy to be alive.
** Vriska not only awoke from demotivating WV in his nightmare to face Bec Noir, but also awoke her conscience after killing Tavros and feeling guilty about it, even fearing facing Noir as she planned all along.
** Feferi has always wanted to be with the Furthest Gods of the Ring; her death of her dreamself awoke her powers as the Witch of Life, so to speak, due to her communication with Jade, being able to speak from the afterlife to the living compared to other deceased characters in SBURB and SGRUB.
** Jack Noir probably believed himself invincible killing one life after another with his First Guardian powers; witnessing Aradia gave him an OhCrap on his face, and becoming time stopped by Aradia may have awoken fear in him, or something close to rethinking his killing strategy besides using green fire and showing his stabs.
** Tavros awoke his self-confidence actually comitting to try and killing Vriska, despite failing and getting impaled. And, there maybe a second wake-up involved due to dying and being in the afterlife; maybe communing with deceased First Guardians and Lusii per his powers.
* Eridan, whose romantic advances have been turned down by nearly every other main character, lives in a [[ShipSinking wrecked ship]].
* The troll ancestors who initiated the scratch were too weak because they lived in peace. And when they initiated the scratch, they became the ancestors instead of the players. Now, realize that the current troll world is so terrible because the Sufferer failed to spread his message. That means there is a good likelihood that the reason the original troll world was peaceful was because Karkat (acting as an ancestor in the original troll world) ''succeeded'' in spreading his message.
** Not to mention Feferi would have been the Empress.
*** That is, if she could defeat Condy.
*** No, Condesce is Meenah, and she refused to participate in the struggle at all, not to mention lived later than Feferi.
** Karkat succeeded as the Sufferer on Beforus because he was a JerkWithAHeartOfGold and able to motivate people. On Alternia, the sufferer was ''[[TheFriendNobodyLikes Kankri]]''.
* The update "[S] Wake." has several [[CallBack Call Backs]] going on with it:
** 1. The last Flash update before this on to issue a general command was "[S] Make Her Pay." Both Aradia and Vriska did just that in it. The same thing happens here.
** 2. The last time Tavros saw Vriska wearing fairy wings, she was trying to please him, trying to make him love her. [[IronicEcho This time]], she kills him. Kind of a stark contrast, don't you think?
** 3. The first time Tavros and Vriska are the seen together, Vriska forces Tavros off a cliff. Guess what happens here?
* Aranea describes the relationship between A1 and A2's timelines as being linear, but it's obvious to the readers that the relationships between all universes are [[TimeyWimeyBall a bit more complicated than that]]. But of course that's how she would explain it to Terezi - she said herself that she's existed for so long that time-related words are little more than a convenience.
** As a Hero of Void, Equius has the power to black out Seers and Space-users and terminal users locked on to his position and unaccounted others. His dream self and real self are gone, and recently, we saw Lord English obliterate his ghost self. However, as an Heir of Void, couldn't he exist inside the Furthest Ring ''outside'' of a dream bubble?
** As a Hero of Hope, Eridan has the power to create an AstralProjection of other players within a dream bubble. Dirk hinted to Jake that he possesses untold power as a Page, and that Jake has unresolved feelings for Dirk. As Eridan had feelings for Feferi, maybe one or both still exist in a dream bubble the Kids and Trolls have yet to encounter, and their real selves deaths could allow them to exist ''alive'' within the dream bubble compared to flickering Dream!Dirk or a standard MilkyWhiteEyes ghost.
*** Eridan is a Prince. He doesn't create something by believing in it. He destroys it by not believing in it. Feferi is clearly angry about dying, to the point where she lashed out at Jade, so because he didn't believe they could be friends, the offer is off the table. He destroyed all hope of the relationship. Hope wasn't lost when he tried to defect, but the exact instant he considered it as a mere possibility.
* The reason the SGRUB symbol looks different from SBURB? The kids' session had four players and four squares. The trolls had twelve players, and so…
* All of the trolls were about thirteen give-or-take, and the majority of them died horribly... Let that sink in.
** We don't actually ''see'' it happening, but Vriska has apparently been playing her FLARP games for years, killing her peers to keep her lusus fed. Eridan/Feferi have been doing more or less the same, though with their peers' lusus instead since a troll wouldn't even make a nibble for Feferi's lusus.
* Why do the trolls constantly refer aspects of their culture as 'Troll [whatever]'? Because in their universe, the Condesce conquered hundreds of other planets, many of which would have had other races living on them. It's not unthinkable that parts of other cultures would become known to Alternian trolls, and so the trolls clarify that they mean ''their'' whatever, as opposed to the whatever created by another race.
* If you really think about it, the trolls' romance shenanigans in general can fall into this. Remember that [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004296 partway through Hivebent, it was revealed that drones regularly visit troll adults to collect black and red buckets of DNA from them]], and that they will ''kill'' the troll if they have nothing to give. That said, while our trolls aren't likely to had been approached yet, what looks like teenage romance squabbles (such as Karkat desperately trying to get Dave into "quadrant vacillation" or Eridan's usual antics) could actually be, subconsciously or not, treated the same as a life or death situation once you remember this detail. After all, for a troll, not being in a relationship equals possible death. In other words? There's a [[MateOrDie good reason]] why the trolls seem so fixated on romance.
* Why were the trolls suddenly silent in the bad alt timeline when John died due to fighting the Denizen early? It's because their session ceased to exist the moment whatever convoluted Weird Time Shit sent Lil'Cal from arriving in Alterina and Kanaya's hands, and thus allowed Doc Scratch to be born, who in turn set everything up in the first place was prevented due to Dave prototyping Lil'Cal. They didn't go silent so much as '''cease to exist.'''
** Or not. In Paradox Space, the alpha timeline is eternally present at all points, and any deviation will simply doom everyone in it. The Trolls were still there in the alpha timeline, they just couldn't communicate with the doomed one. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004990 Two timelines can exist at once.]]
*** Which actually may disprove the theory since Terezi converses with ''both'' Daves. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005090 Doomed Dave contacts her]] right before Noir kills him.
*** Still in the Alpha timeline, it's just not Alpha Dave. As long as they remain in the Alpha timeline they can be contacted no matter who they are.
** Which leads to a moment of FridgeBrilliance as well. Ever since it was revealed how dreamselves worked, why didn't Dream John and Dream Jade didn't take over as "real" John and Jade? The answer is it wasn't John's death that doomed the timeline, it was Cal being prototyped.
*** Though Dream John wouldn't have been able to take over anyway, since that particular use of a dreamself requires use of the Quest Bed (which no one was in any position to take advantage of) or a kiss from one of the other players (which would have required getting to John's seventh gate themselves to get to a body in the same room as an angry Denizen).
*** John's Denizen was calm about killing John. Dream Jade still couldn't take over though. If you never physically enter the Medium, there is no dream self.
* From Hussie's Formspring archives ([[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#andrewhussie1158647790 here]]): In the Homestuck-verse, the 12 trolls aren't based on the WesternZodiac; the WesternZodiac is based on ''them.'' Because they created the the kids' universe, somewhere in humanity's collective subconscious were these trolls. And because of this, when they looked at the sky and saw a bunch of arbitrary star clusters, they went "Oh, look a crab!" "Wow, there's a fish!" Even if the trolls aren't really ''gods'', they still have religious and cultural importance.
** To break it down:
*** Aries' energy is similar to how Aradia was in life. The people born under Aries are also said to be fiercely competetive, like how Damara did not allow anyone else competing for her spot next to Rufioh.
*** Taurus is just as a {{Determinator}} as Tavros.
*** Gemini is riddled with bifurcation because of Sollux not to mention the myth about Castor and Pollux, the twins, states one of them died and the other grieved so much their father put them on the heaven to be together. Plus, Gemini's are said to be good in communicating, like Sollux set up all of the troll's connections and viewports.
*** Cancer is considered kind and motherly because of Karkat, who cloned everyone and thus was a 'mother' to the entire team and the Sufferer.
*** Leo is ferocious and described like attention-hogging just like some other trolls say of Nepeta - and Meulin is certainly an obnoxious girl.
*** Virgo is pretty obvious.
*** Libra and Justice are intertwined so much with Terezi that we paint/draw Justice with not only scales but also a blindfold and a sword, plus people born under this sign are said to do anything for justice and have great [[StealthPun taste]].
*** Scorpio has an ambiguous reputation thanks to Vriska, and the people born under this sign are often misunderstood.
*** Sagittarius and archery+horses is obvious, but it also ties in to the magnanimity of Darkleer and also: some say Sagittarians are smarter than they look - similar to how indigo bloods, being Void players, are exempt from Omniscience and MindControl.
*** Capricorn are less obvious, but they are described as stubborn and determined - as in [[MemeticMutation You can't keep down the clown]].
*** Aquarius is also a pretty zealous sign, and people under this sign are - while intellectual, also cold to the emotions of others, just like Eridan knew a lot of history, yet had his relationships in shambles.
*** Pisces is said to be one of the nicest and friendliest of the signs...and are also often connected to the mystic side of life, like Feferi and Meenah had the most supernatural lusus of all, and an ancestor with the greatest number of physic powers.
* Sburb essentially wipes out your race when played. Emissaries from the horrorterrors, like Feferi's lusus (and the vast glub), are probably a common feature of the game for sessions where the host species has left their home planet.
* Before the ancestors in the trolls' session initiated the scratch, "our" trolls were in the role of the ancestors (and vice versa). In the Pre-scratch timeline, troll society was peaceful. Note that with the role reversals, at this time, Feferi, who in the present timeline wants to abolish the blood caste system and help the weak, would have been empress.
** Which of course fits with the fact that every troll in Post-scratch Alternia now dresses in similar clothes to Meenah.
** This also means Earth's clowns are indeed based on Gamzee; Pre-Scratch!Gamzee.
** Pre-Scratch!Karkat, the Signless of Beforus, was successful not only because Karkat isn't passive-aggressive like Post-Scratch!Signless was, but also because he would have received [[PalsWithJesus help from Pre-Scratch!Feferi]].
* All of the Trolls' similarities to humans -- from the existence of Troll Will Smith to the fact that they [[AliensSpeakingEnglish speak English]] -- could be explained by the fact that the Trolls created Earth's universe, and therefore humans.
** Vriska suggests that Karkat would make a better human than a troll, and humans have the same freakish bright red blood. Makes sense, considering he was the trolls' leader, and the one who would have personally gotten the ultimate prize if they hadn't been interrupted. As well as the one who supposedly gave the B1 universe cancer.
** Also, why does the "real" world operate under the bizarre rules of captchalogues and strife syllabi? Because the "real" world is the creation of a game and follows game logic.
* We all know that trolls have four forms of love (matespiritship, kissmessitude, moirailliegance, and auspticism. But according to at least one theory, humans also have four forms of love: romantic love, friendship, affection, and charity. Suddenly you realize why the trolls are so (from our perspective, at least) screwed up. Their society has no concepts of friendship, of affection (that one's a bit more natural, since they don't have families the way we do), or of charity, so huge chunks of the interpersonal bonds humans work with are missing.
* The troll world is shown to be a BizarroUniverse in many aspects such as the role of angels, vampires, etc. Instead of teenage sex being highly frowned upon, it's required upon pain of death.
** Not only that, but unlike with humans where homosexuality is still highly controversial, it's apparently so inconsequential in troll society that ''it doesn't even warrant its own word.''
** Their version of Christianity, instead of spreading into a dominant religion, dwindled until it was practically forgotten.
* From a biological viewpoint the violent nature of troll-kind makes perfect sense as a means of natural selection to prune out the mutations arising from their constant inbreeding. However Doc Scratch said that he was responsible for the trolls violent nature. Does that mean Scratch is somehow responsible for the Mother Grub method of breeding? [[{{Squick}} What a creep.]]
** This may also explain the troll's vestigial genders.
*** Everything involving lusii was imported by Doc Scratch
*** ...Except all of the Troll biology and the Lusii exist in the Pre-Scratch Troll Universe, where Doc Scratch never acted. So, nope for all of this.
* One of Alternia's moons is purple - which is what you get if you add the primary colors red and blue. Red is the color of the Kids' universe, while blue is the color of the Trolls' universe.
** It's also the inverted color of the green moon. They're opposites. This may very well mean something.
*** Considering that the destruction of the red and blue universes created the green sun...and that Derse's purple moon was involved...
*** Red, blue, green, and purple are the kids' colors, right?
* It's mentioned near the beginning of the troll intermission that troll culture places an unusual emphasis on architectural design proficiency at a very young age (letting the trolls that have just recently survived their trials design their own homes), but that no one seemed to really know why that is. Well, in light of the information from Doc Scratch regarding the trolls ancestor's failed Sgrub game, this makes sense. That was an effect of Scratch's influence in his efforts to better prepare the trolls for Sgrub, much like they became incredibly violent and competitive under his influence.
* Alternia has [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003904 two moons]]; one fuchsia pink, the other lime green. That's some very clever foreshadowing.
* The fact that Alternia seems to have SchizoTech actually makes a lot of sense when you factor in the existence of natural psionics. After all, you don't necessarily need to invent machine guns or nuclear reactors if part of your population has EyeBeams and you can fly to the stars with just [[PoweredByAForsakenChild one poor bastard]] [[LivingBattery hooked up to the wires]]. This then resulted in a race that managed to develop interstellar travel before it moved past melee weaponry.
* Vriska once said, regarding the trolls' ancestors, "[[color:#004183:You then can choose to take up the life they left for you. And if you do, they will always 8e looking out for you, and guide you in finishing what they started.]]" Mindfang was killed by the Summoner. Vriska murders Tavros. Neophyte Redglare was killed by Mindfang. Terezi kills Vriska. Orphaner Dualscar was killed on the Condesce's orders. Eridan kills Feferi. The Dolorosa was assassinated by Dualscar. Kanaya kills Eridan. The E%ecutor and the Disciple defied the highbloods and got away with it. Gamzee kills Nepeta and Equius. [[MessianicArchetype The Sufferer]] eventually broke under torture, cursing the highbloods with his dying breath... and ''[[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Karkat singlehandedly stops Gamzee's rampage]]'' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments with kindness and a]] CooldownHug.
** The sufferer specifically died from an arrow shot by Equius ancestor darkleer, and then Karkat was the one who sent Equius to his death in an attempt to stop the highbloods
** Also related: when Vriska kills the Black King, she rolls an 8^8. We now know that that roll gets you Ancestral Awakening. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005653 Mindfang vs a giant ugly blackish monster, huh?]]
* You remember how angry Aradia was throughout her tenure as a robot? It makes more sense once you realize she was filled with [[InTheBlood Equius's blood]]!
* This line from Doc Scratch's description of the Handmaiden: "She stirred up class warfare and intensified bigotry in whatever era she haunted." Aradia, the Handmaiden's descendent, had some sort of romantic relationship with the bigoted Equius.
* Aradia's role in SGRUB is Maid. In her society she should be a person who carries "sex toys". She's doing it [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005482 right]].
* Since being prototyped with Bec, [[BigBad Big Bad]] Jack Noir has gained decidedly lupine features. What [[StealthPun colour]] is Aradia's god-hood?
** Also, ''What's the Time, Mr. Wolf''?
* At first, [[EmotionlessGirl Aradia]] killing Vriska didn't make much sense, since earlier in the comic she said she didn't want revenge. Then you see that her exile told her to do it. She's used to hearing voices in her head, and she'd always do what they said. What's one more voice to her?
** Not really, she specifically makes it known she's n0t 0K with it.
* Aradia is the Maid of Time. She was put into a robot body. Does this make her an iron maiden?
* Tavros's typing quirk is because cAPS lOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL, fOR COOL (and Tavros doesn't really understand either, Caps Lock ''or'' cool)
** Also, his attempt at trolling Dave going horribly wrong: Dave reacts with ironic gay innuendo, and Tavros gets confused and upset and blocks him. Trolls [[EveryoneIsBi don't consider gender an object to sexuality]], and so presumably don't even ''have'' GayBravado. No wonder he was confused and upset.
* In the same vein that Eridan’s double V’s become W’s (double U’s, with V’s being pronounced by Roman’s as U’s),''Tavros'' becomes ''Tauros'' - ancient Greek for bull.
* For an in-universe example, Tavros's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004064 realizing]] where Tinkerbull is. That's... That's just ''cruel.''
* When Tavros goes to confront Vriska, he completely forgoes all tactics and runs straight at her. You could say he charged ''like a bull''.
** Vriska, on the other hand, stood her ground and let him come to her...just like a spider.
* Sollux, with his ever-present theme of duality, was close to two troll-girls: The lowest-blooded, and the highest-blooded.
** They're also the only two trolls with alliterative chumhandles (AA and CC respectively)
** All of Sollux's deaths were at the exact same time as someone else. First, it was the Helmsman. Next, it was the Handmaid. The first was his ancestor. The second was his lover's.
* Some might be wondering why Sollux is fluctuating between flushed and caliginous feelings for Gamzee in the showdown. Sollux's entire shtick is duality....of ''course'' he'll have two conflicting opinions of him!
** On a side note, think about this. Did you notice that out of all of the trolls, Sollux has the most relationships? That's right, in canon, Sollux is the most ''paired'' up troll!
* Sollux's bizarre semi-UnexplainedRecovery on the Green Sun makes a bit more sense if you remember his connection to Gemini; besides the whole theme of twins and duality there's also the fact that [[Myth/GreekMythology Castor and Pollux]], when they died, divided their time between Hades (the afterlife) and Olympus (home of the gods). Given that Sollux is now with three God-Tiered individuals...
* Sollux's symbol is gemini, which is a (♊) symbol. Gemini is also the latin word for twins. Sollux wears a pair of shades, and if you will recall, the only other troll who also wears shades is Terezi. Coincidence?
** also after a recent event involving Eridan, Sollux became blind, just like Terezi.
** Wait, Equius wears shades too...
** Sollux Captor. Switch the S and P. Pollux Castor. Twins.
*** Not just ''any'' twins, but the specific pair of twins that ''became'' the constellation Gemini in Greek mythology. It's also another tie-in to Nicholas Cage ("Castor Troy" in Face/Off).
** Obsessed with two. Computer hacker. ''Binary.'' Duh.
* Sollux loses the duel between himself and Eridan. He mentions that he underestimated Eridan, which is what one would expect he would say whether he won or not. But consider that he's the resident "computer guy". If he overpowers Eridan by too much, the computers behind Eridan get destroyed. Sollux is powerful enough to send the asteroid they're standing on at faster than light speed - of course he would have to hold back to some extent.
* When Sollux was blinded and lost his psychic powers and his bifurcation motif, the blood from his mouth [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005324 split the Gemini symbol on his shirt into half]]. The symbolism is apparent.
* The Tumor is associated with black and white, and also red and blue. What ''else'' is associated with red, blue, black and white? Sollux.
** [[MeaningfulName It's right there in the trolltag, even]].
*** Where?
*** twinArmageddons
** Also, "Sol" and "lux" mean sun and light in Latin.
* Why is Sollux's blood color yellow when his two defining colors are red and blue? Because yellow, red, and blue are all primary colors.
** No. They aren't. Neither additive nor subractive colors use red, yellow, and blue. Additive uses red, green, and blue. Subtractive uses magenta, yellow, cyan, and black.
*** 3D glasses can sometimes use magenta and cyan. That just leaves yellow and black.
*** Red-Yellow-Blue ''are'' primary colours... in painting.
** Also, in astrology the colour yellow is associated with the sign Gemini.
** It gets better: the two brightest stars in the constellation Gemini are named Castor and Pollux. Castor appears bluish, Pollux is reddish.
* Sollux, the troll with a duality motif, dates Feferi, a troll whose astrological sign is ''two'' fish.
** Feferi has been all of the following at one point: [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe One fish]], [[Creator/DrSeuss Two Fish]], [[Alien Blood Red Fish, Blue Fish]].
* Feferi's Pisces sign and her double ended trident have [[http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b510/magicrockssohard/trident_zps3c8072ac.png the same (fundamental) shape!]]
* Karkat is ridiculously ambitious but due to his blood color, he'd be considered a freak and pretty much shunned by the rest of his society, shooting down any chance of becoming a [=THRESHECUTIONER=] that he might have had otherwise. Which pretty much explains why he's so angry all the time.
* Karkat frequently acts mean and represses his non-rage-related emotions. Why? Besides being a bit of a temperament thing, he's afraid crying will give away his "freakish" blood color, as Trolls' tears are a faded hue of their blood.
** This would also explain why his doomed God-tier self has no visible wings (which would give away his blood color as well); Aranea has said God-tier trolls can hide their wings in their cloak, which is the most likely what he is doing.
* Other than it being crucial to his characterization, why is Karkat a mutant? What is his sign? Cancer. What is one of the looser definitions of cancer? A mutation.
** Also, he wields a sickle. A sickle cell is a mutated blood cell.
*** Makes a lot of sense that he gave Jade's Universe cancer.
*** He also causes a mutation inadvertently. By trolling Jade, she brings it up to John, which causes him to decide to change his chum handle from valid DNA (GT) to a mutation. (EB)
*** Mutations involve changing from one valid code to another ... ie, GT to GG or something. "EB" is just nonsense; there are no bases coded E or B. ''Brilliance'' would have involved him using a handle that abbreviated to some combination of I, X, and D, which ''are'' abbreviations for (rare) bases.
* Karkat, despite his constant rage, has never killed, maimed or severely injured any of his friends. He listens to their problems (despite being an asshole about it) and gives them advice. He also tries (and fails) to keep his team from killing each other. He also stops a psycho clown mass-murderer with kindness. He's also never had a kismesis, and when he thinks he finally has found one in John, he ends up becoming friends with John. By troll standards, he's a saint ...or a MessianicArchetype.
* When Karkat was hit by the bucket, he let out a Vast Expletive.
* So UU hex code color of #929292 is a reference to uranium, right? Well what about Karkat's #626262 hex code color? Well element 26 is ''iron''. As in what makes your blood red.
** Actually, 62 is the atomic number of samarium, a volatile but durable silvery-grey metal used in various applications including permanent magnets and cancer treatment. But that works well too.
** Iron also matches Karkat's text and sign color, references the irons that the Sufferer was put in, and is the name of his color in the "coloUrs and mayhem" album.
** On a related note, Karkat's text colour is also the colour of cooked crabs.
* Karkat ''did'' manage to bring Kanaya back to life with his Corpsesmooch. Just... not quite as expected.
** Where is the FridgeBrilliance?
*** It wasn't a kiss from another or a man that revived her, it was her own kisses rainbow drinking/vampire bites that did. This is apt for one born of a Virgin mother grub.
*** Not only that, but Kanaya was revived as a rainbow drinker, requiring *blood* to survive. What is Karkat's SGRUB title?
*** She wasn't born of the virgin grub, she was raised by it.
* Karkat's sign of Cancer is associated with motherhood, and he often plays TeamMom. He's also the one who gives birth to ''everyone'' through ectobiology.
* Karkat's handle on PesterChum is CarcinoGeneticist, or Cancer Geneticist. He accidentally messed up the game universe, saying "the disease I gave you". Karkat is a CarcinoGeneticist that gave the universe Cancer.
* Karkat's true blood colour is candy red, but he hides it by having a grey shirt symbol and text. Crabs are usually greyish or bright red.
* Karkat's distress at being toyed with by Clover is by no means unreasonable, but it gets extra poignant when you remember [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009538 Karkat's experience with his Denizen.]]
* All of the kids' guardians have died. Remember that code Karkat ran waaaaay back at the beginning of Hivebent? [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003926 That one that killed all the lusii?]] It also applies to everybody that Karkat will ever meet. So from the minute Karkat first talked to John, he was accidentally dooming John's father to death.
** Lets take it a step farther, as of the act 6 intermission 1 we know Karkat meets Dave and Rose, so he also doomed roses ''and'' Daves guardians.
*** Another step forward, It's also implied that he will be meeting John and Jade in the Alpha session with the Alpha Kids all four of them ummm. It's not looking so good them either.
*** Confirmed: He did, [[KillEmAll and it wasn't]].
* Karkat is almost a troll counterpart to John: Both are POV characters, both show HiddenDepths, both were involved in similar in-game events, and Karkat even resembles John a bit. [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn John has a hammer, Karkat has a sickle.]]
** Their battle themes are named "Showdown" (Karkat) and "Showtime" (John).
*** Interestingly enough, Dave's battle theme is "Beatdown." So Karkat's battle theme is named after a combination of John and Dave's.
*** John and Dave have blue and red text, respectively. The theme is based on a mix of the two universes.
** He also types in all caps as opposed to John's typing in all lowercase.
** Because of their respective weapons, the John/Karkat ship is known as "Communism", which Dave later lampshades in the comic.
* The Sufferer is a pretty obvious analogue for Jesus, and Karkat is technically his ancestor since the trolls' session is post-Scratch. Then you consider that Karkat's first words to a human were "ATTENTION WORTHLESS HUMAN: [[Main/ForeShadowing THIS IS YOUR GOD SPEAKING]]." He wasn't just being his usual arrogant self; in a way it was literally accurate, since Karkat is, in human terms, the father of Troll Jegus.
* Karkat's defeat of Clover should have been impossible, due to Clover's incredible luck...except that back in Act 5 Act 1, Karkat triggered a curse that would ensure everyone he ever met would have terrible luck. The curse overrode Clover's luck, allowing him to be defeated.
* [[spoiler: How was Karkat able to defeat Clover, despite Clover being able to manipulate probability to make himself literally impossible to hit? Remember back in Hivebent, where Sollux programmed that mobius double reacharound virus to make Karkat and anyone around him unlucky?]]
* To any human viewer, Bec Noir's red hand means he's just killed someone. To Karkat, [[IronicEcho it's reminiscent of his alliance with SGRUB!Jack Noir]], who cut his palm to show Karkat that he wasn't the only one in paradox space to have "candy-red" blood.
** Early in the story the trolls mention that angels are a kind of demon with wings...
*** Which makes Eridan believe the angels he saw regard Bec Noir as their king.
* Karkat's mutant blood colour, despite causing him so much trouble, may have saved his life. Look at where Karkat sits when the trolls are arranged by Zodiac sign: between Sollux and Nepeta. Between Sollux's yellow and Nepeta's green blood would be where a lime-blooded troll would go; the same limebloods who were said to have been hunted to extinction. After the Sufferer's rebellion, his followers ensured that any future mutants would have a sign to wear and a lusus to raise them, but the same protections likely didn't exist for limebloods. If Karkat had been born without his mutation...
* In alchemy, silver is associated with the moon. In astrology, each zodiac sign is presided over by a celestial body. In classical interpretations, Cancer is presided over by the moon. To put it more concisely, silver = moon, and moon = Cancer, so, therefore, silver = Cancer. What color does Karkat type in?
* As of the writing of this entry, Nepeta's encounter with Gamzee ended with him closing in on her threateningly, and jumping to another scene. Although there was green blood on Gamzee's club, it is still unknown whether she's dead or alive. So would that make her a ... [[UsefulNotes/SchrodingersCat Schrödinger's Cat]][[{{CatGirl}} Girl]]?
** The cat is out of the bag. Nepeta's body is seen separated from its head.
* Nepeta's NumerologicalMotif is 33, the atomic number of arsenic and a double CatSmile. 3 x 3 also equals 9 -- the number of lives a cat has. She's also died three times -- first when Gamzee killed her, second when her dreamself died, and third when Fefetasprite blew up.
* Nepeta seems to sleep with her lusus rather than in a recuperacoon, thus her dreams are filled with her species' history of violence. In other words, her dreams are probably filled with EXCITING TALES FROM THE HUNT, which explains why she acts so feral and yet so adorable. May also qualify as FridgeHorror.
** Also it might explain why she has circles underneath her eyes - she might not get as good sleep from it.
** And look at her coat. At first glance, it may seem like an ordinary coat that an artist like Nepeta would wear. Take another look at it. ''Nepeta's coat is a hunting coat''.
* The Disciple, Nepeta's ancestor, was obsessed with recording the teachings of the Sufferer, Karkat's ancestor. Karkat loves Rom-Coms and talking about romance. Suddenly, Nepeta's shipping wall makes a lot of sense.
* The Sufferer, Karkat's ancestor, and the Disciple, Nepeta's, had what was described as basically a perfect, fairy-tale romance. No wonder Nepeta had such a crush on Karkat - their ancestors had the kind of love story that would have been irresistible to her. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for us to think she saw herself and Karkat as the next Disciple and Sufferer.
** Related: The Sufferer and Disciple's romance connects to Nepeta and Karkat's Sgurb titles, The Rogue of Heart and the Knight of Blood respectively.
* Nepeta's assignation being the Rogue of Heart.
** Cat burglars.
** The catmints in the genus [[NamesTheSame Nepeta]] have heart-shaped leaves.
** The Heart Chakra (Anahatha) is green.
* Watch Kanaya's hairstyle very carefully, particularly the bangs on the side of her head. Then, compare it to the traditional vampire cape.
** Also, after coming back from the dead, she's '''bloody''', and her last name is '''Mary'''am.
*** It can also be a reference to the biblical Virgin Mary, since her sign is Virgo and she's set to raise the new mother grub.
* Initially, the Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff message of "Are you next" following Kanaya's death seemed fairly tasteless to a lot of people, given the circumstances. Until recent updates, that is. Remember why [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Bro killed Jeff in that comic?]] And what Kanaya is likely doing right now?
* Kanaya's sign is Virgo. Her last name is '''Mary'''am. Think about that for a minute.
** On a related note, her ancestor--who is, presumably, also named Maryam and shares the Virgo symbol--was the mother of their planet's metaphoric troll Jesus.
* Kanaya's blood is a rare deep shamrock green, and the only main troll to have it. She fills in many roles for other trolls' Ashen Quadrants, and none of the other characters act as auspistices or mediate, so Kanaya is heavily associated to it. The symbol for the Ashen Quadrant is a club, but for a troll with such particular blood...it could also be a shamrock.
* Kanaya is one of the only, if not the only troll that enjoys sunlight. Her main relations are Vriska and Rose, both of whom are heroes of light.
** Her lusus is a moth, which are also drawn to light.
* Read [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004223 Kanaya's introduction page]] while listening to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE Monty Python's Lumberjack Song]].
* Kanaya's title is actually an IncrediblyLamePun when you think about it. Sylphs are mythological creatures that manipulate air. In other words, [[LipstickLesbian Kanaya]] is a Fairy.
* This might be fairly obvious but it makes sense that Kanaya became the rainbow drinker; she was under the sign Virgo and in various vampire mythology only virgins can become vampires.
* Kanaya's NumerologicalMotif is 6. Her name is six letters long.
** This doesn't really count, though, as all of the Trolls have six-letter names, both first and last. Even Vriska Serket, who's NumerologicalMotif is 8.
** Well, her aspect symbol has six arms. Her lusus has six body segments/legs. The sentence 'You are one of the few' has six words and is repeated six times in her introduction. She has six different sets of clothes aside of her 'work clothes'. She was the last and sixth player to add to Team Red. And last but not least, her zodiac sign is the sixth.
* Kanaya capitalizes the first letter of every word she types. Outside of Homestuck, who else does this? '''Jade'''n Smith!
* Kanaya's typing quirk involves [[SelfDemonstratingArticle Capitalizing Every Word She Types]]. How does one do that? By hitting the shift key with their pinky after every word. The pinky is stereotypically held up when drinking tea or in other 'dignified' past times, Why does Kanaya have such fine motor control? Because it befits a lady like [[LadyOfWar her]].
* One of the [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004243 first times we hear from Eridan]], he asks Kanaya to auspistice between himself and Vriska. Auspisticing means [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004297 preventing a feud from boiling over into an especially violent rivalry]]. And when Vriska and Eridan are about to face off in a duel... Kanaya [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005428 does]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005435 intervene]].
* Why is Kanaya so girly? Because in the WesternZodiac, [[TheSmurfettePrinciple Virgo is the only girl]]!
* Terezi's Lusus is a dragon because it has many scales.
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004028 The first time you caught a glimpse of this world in your dreams, there was no turning back.]] This statement of Terezi's awakening gains more meaning when you realize it was the last thing she ever saw.
* As a Seer of Mind, Terezi could see the imaginary Dirk that Jake made. In the Alterniabound flash, she tells Tavros to not let anyone say to him that Rufio isn't real. Rufio is indeed real - Terezi could see (in a sense) him! [[HeartwarmingInHindsight Terezi wasn't just cheering Tavros up, she was completely sincere!]]
* At first, it looks like Terezi's crying [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006665 here]], because it's recently after her eyes were burned, and she was blinded. Except she's actually [[EyeScream BLEEDING]] out her eyes.
* Neophyte Redglare took Marquise Spinneret Mindfang's eye and arm using Pyralspite, her dragon. Terezi took Vriska's eye and arm using [[color:#2ED73A:D]][[color:white:o]][[color:#2ED73A:c Scratch]], [[color:#2ED73A:Lord English]]'s [[TheDragon Dragon]].
* Recall back when Terezi sent John to get mauled by his Denizen and we all thought she was a big evil bitch? Now, take into account the revelation that Terezi can see the outcomes of doomed timelines, as demonstrated by Vriska. Terezi ''deliberately facilitated the doomed timeline in order to aid the alpha. She was actually helping the whole time.''
** She does claim to not have thought of that, though.
* So all the trolls have [[HornedHumanoid horns]] that correspond to their Zodiac sign, right? So okay, some are pretty straightforward, like Aradia, Tavros and Gamzee, whose horns are based on their respective animals. Others, like Vriska, Kanaya, Eridan, and Feferi, have horns modeled after their symbol. Terezi, however, has these short, perfectly conical horns. What in Hussie's name does that have to do with her sign? Look at this[[http://fav.me/d59okm2 this]] picture of Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}. [[{{Homage}} their horns are exactly alike]], and both are {{Blind Weaponmaster}}s who believe in [[JusticeWillPrevail justice!]] Hussie, you magnificent son of a bitch!
* Dragons are depicted in myth as very LongLived, if not outright immortal. It seems that Terezi inherited some of their resilience.
* Why are Vriska's psychic powers so powerful, despite being a highblood? Because she's only ever seen using them on lowbloods, who are reputed to have low psychic tolerance.
** On a related note, Vriska is the only highblood we know of with a psychic ability, and her powers are used almost exclusively to subjugate and control lowbloods.
*** On another related note, Vriska is not a highblood, but a blueblood (Cerulean, specifically, the lowest noble caste). The highbloods were of the purple caste like Gamzee, the highest ranking land-dwellers. They mostly seemed to be the Subjugglators and also possessed strong psychic powers referred to as the chucklevoodoos, which was used to control the more numerous lower castes by giving the race constant terrible nightmares. And lowbloods are more vulnerable to psychic powers.
* Vriska's treatment of Tavros makes more sense when you consider that, based on his ancestor (the Summoner), she expected him to be both her Matesprit and her killer.
* [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004875 Vriska admits]] to allowing Bec to prototype himself for rather selfish purposes, but she does make a good point. Bec Noir already exists, and due to the circular nature of time, any action which successfully stops this from happening will merely create a splintered timeline, [[FateWorseThanDeath doomed to temporal erasure.]] If anything, she's simply being [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic in her jerkassery]]; [[GenreSavvy she knows]] she can't undo Bec Noir, so she's trying to [[TrickedOutTime take advantage of the temporal loop]] to try and come out ahead.
** Then again, if Bec Noir was always fated to come into being no matter what anyone did, it's possible Vriska didn't have to get involved with his creation at all and was just using it as an excuse to steal the limelight, like a Thief of (Lime)Light would.
* Vriska's huge gamble at making Bec Noir and such normally seems stupid. But bear in mind that dangerous trolls are given moirails to keep this from happening. Vriska's moirail has been shunning her. It would have been more surprising if she DIDN'T wind up doing something like this.
* Remember how during the buildup to Vriska's death, the transition to the next pages always read "Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock." Now, at first it seems to just be a reference to the clock which decides whether the death of a god tier was heroic or just, as it ticked away in Vriska's final moments. However, if you think about this in relation to who Vriska is as a character, it turns into more of a fridge brilliance. Simply put, Vriska is or aspires to be a one armed, one eyed pirate. A certain other one armed, one armed pirate,(Read, Captain Hook), was continually haunted by a crocodile who would make "Tick Tock" noises whenever he approached due to the fact that he swallowed a clock, and was scared to death of this crocodile because that was how it was prophesied he would die. See the connection. Andrew Hussie has made Vriska into a walking (And dying) Peter Pan reference.
* Vriska wasn't just wrong about being able to stop Jack, she was wrong that ''he would choose to fight her''. Once more, she drastically misjudges someone's psychology, SmugSnake that she is.
* Vriska's already killed both Tavros and John, both of whom were {{Love Interest}}s of hers. That makes her a [[StealthPun Black Widow!]]
** [[ItMakesSenseInContext She has officially]] [[ScrewYourself entered into a Kismesitude with herself]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil against her will]], [[DespairEventHorizon driving herself to]] [[DrivenToSuicide double-suicide]].
*** A Mary Sue [[UnintentionalUnsympatheticVillain tries to be sympathetic]] about being a rapist, or just [[RapeAsDrama happens to get raped]] in a situation that makes no sense. Of course a Parody Sue would [[UpToEleven rape herself]] and [[TropesAreNotBad still be a sympathetic character]].
* Why does Vriska think she could hook up with Tavros even though they are basically opposites? Because Vriska is the Troll equivalent of a Sociopath, and Tavros is the Troll equivalent of someone with Asperger's Syndrome. A common misconception is that these two disorders are just two different names for the same thing, and this misconception is most common among Sociopaths, and least common among those with Asperger's Syndrome.
* When Tavros charged at Vriska, she stopped him with her arachnidsGrip.
** Then she proceeds to take his lance away from him, stab and kill him, and throw him off a ledge.
*** adiosToreador.
* The apparent dissonance between Vriska being embarrassed about killing Tavros and dismissive of the trolls she killed to feed her Lusus make more sense when you think about it for a bit. The trolls she killed for her Lusus were so that her Lusus wouldn't eat ''her'', so she saw it as business. Tavros' murder, however, was personal, even more so than Aradia's, which was specifically a revenge strike. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005367 She even says as much]].
* According to Aranea, the cobalt-blood PsychicPowers are primarily about [[TheEmpath empathy]], and the "maniupl8ion" is just a byproduct of that. She describes how strange and awkward it is to constantly feel what everyone around you is feeling about you, especially negative emotions, and how [[UnhappyMedium isolated]] it made her feel. Now, consider: Aranea comes from pre-Scratch Alternia, which operates under a much less oppressive/insane system than the totalitarian TeenageWasteland of post-Scratch Alternia, and likely had far more face-to-face interactions among young trolls. Vriska, then, is an empath, but one who has rarely interacted with anyone at close enough range to feel their emotions, instead communicating mostly through chats and only using her powers to [[KickTheDog be a jackass]] to people far away from her. And then the game begins, and all of a sudden she's actually face-to-face with everyone... and feeling exactly how much they hate her guts. Is it any wonder, then, that she's less nasty in person than on Trollian?
** Tavros seems to suppress his emotions, especially his negative ones. Vriska seems to act like an asshole most to Tavros, especially in person. Could Tavros' emotional problems have inadvertently played a role in his paralysis and death?
** It goes MUCH deeper than that. Vriska was an empath on a planet full of bloodthirsty trolls. No, worse: she's an empath who was forced to kill other kids her own age to survive. She would have felt everything they did as they died: their fear, their rage, their grief, their hatred. It's no wonder she grew up to be such a sociopath; she's literally had to force herself to not care about how other people fear to avoid going insane.
* The fat Vriska jokes. Antares, the brightest star in Scorpio, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares#Properties is massive]].
* Some of the several Vriska themes are based of Chrystalanthemums with increasing silly names. The chrysanthemum is the Scorpio flower.
** ...and also the national one of Japan, which is known as the land of the rising sun, tying in to her Light aspect.
* Pretty much every troll's horns resemble their sign. Equius? Arrow-shaped horn+broken straight piece of horn = bow-and-arrow sign. And so on.
** And if not the sign, the what it represents. Aradia's horns are more curved than the Aries symbol, but they do look exactly like ram's horns.
* You can actually see Equius’ blood color under his shades, unlike the others. If you've watched enough police procedural shows, you've heard the word [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petechia petechia]] associated with the bloodshot eyes of strangling victims. Remember how Equius seemed so creepy and perverse that the Narrator delayed introducing him? Remember how ''happy'' he looked when he's being strangled to death by Gamzee??
* Think about this for a second. Equius has '''blue''' blood. His troll handle is centaurs'''Testicle'''. What was the end result of Gamzee strangling him?
* Q: Equius is so freakishly strong, [[FridgeLogic wasn't he strong enough to break the bowstring with his neck muscles]]? A: [[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#mspadventures158881785575405344 Yes]].
* Equius's Trollian name is relevant to his interests. PlayedForLaughs anyway with troll culture's "Fine Art".
* Equius' lusus is referred to as male... and then... Equius likes drinking his lusus' milk... Oh.. Oh God...
** A male with a lactating udder. Maybe Lusus romance is a bit more complicated than you think?
*** A recent update had Kanaya referring to Jade (and humans in general) as "milkbeasts but without the hermaphroditic structures." I'd say that pretty much confirms that Alternian milkbeasts are all hermaphrodites.
* Equius forbidding Nepeta from engaging in EXTREME ROLEPLAYING. Later it's revealed his house has a nice view on Vriska, which means he had a DAMN GOOD REASON for forbidding her. (BTW, if someone could find the fan art showcasing it, it would be cool - couldn't find it on Skaia.Net).
** [[http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?30351-ROMANTIC-FANART-5-We-re-0k-with-this&p=3929102&viewfull=1#post3929102 Here]].
* The reason why Gamzee lived at the beach. Not only because his lusus was a half water half land animal (much like his namesake, the Makara, and the traditonal seagoat associated with Capricorn), but also his status being not a seadweller, but not entirely on land. The two highest on the hemospectrum, Eridan and Feferi, both live (at least, partially) underwater. He's half land, half water.
* Why does Gamzee say the Insane Clown Posse is [=BlAsPhEmY=]? Because [[{{Juggalo}} Subjugglators]] are supposed to be harbingers of death to the lower classes (ie, everyone besides themselves and the sea dwellers), as opposed to the benign, even relatively peaceful representation of Juggalos which the ICP presents.
** Especially when one considers Beta!ICP to be the human equivalents to both personalities of [[UsedToBeASweetKid Pre-Scratch!Gamzee]]
* Why does Gamzee have access to every weapon with the Jokerkind Abstratus? Because the Joker is often considered a wild card.
* Gamzee is originally introduced as the Bard of something. To those who only know bards as the SpoonyBard trope or from tabletop games and [=RPGs=], it makes sense in light of his spacey-ness and general uselessness. The original Celtic bards, however, were the bearers of oral tradition and passed down laws, histories, and folklore. Gamzee is the Bard of Rage because he is meant to remind the trolls of how flat fucking terrifying the Subjugglators were.
** If one plays fast and loose with synonyms, "Bard of Rage" could be rephrased as "[[NamesToRunAwayFrom Herald of Madness]]".
** One synonym for "bard" is "skald". A "scald" can be defined as a type of plant illness caused by excessive sunlight. The Green Sun.
*** Guess what our universe had that Gamzee made worse. Guess what also can be caused by excessive sunlight.
* Gamzee's handle is terminallyCapricious, and in a roundabout way he's ultimately responsible for Jack becoming the all-powerful HeroKiller that he is now. Karkat may have given the Kids' universe cancer, but Gamzee made it terminal.
* This might sound a bit goofy for FridgeHorror, but given that part of Gamzee's mental breakdown is connected to his watching the video for "Miracles" by Insane Clown Posse after Dave sent it to him—imagine what would have happened if Dave had sent him [[http://www.hulu.com/watch/143249 the Saturday Night Live parody instead.]]
* What exactly is Gamzee peddling in [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006727 this flash?]] The blood of the trolls who died before they left their session. Advertised as magic motherfucking elixirs.
** And what each potion is said to do is somehow related to that troll's personality, such as the green potion (Nepeta's blood) making you fall in love.
** Also, when you choose the 'bronze elixir', Gamzee says that "one sip of this potion will cause you to lose the use of your legs. HOWEVER, you will become an EXCELLENT kisser." We can remember when [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005886 he blatantly hit on Tavros]], then later [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005927 when Gamzee is talking to past Dave]] you see Tavros' decapitated head in the background and his blood on Gamzee's lips. Not to mention he says that he likes Dave would like to cut off his head and "ADD A LITTLE STRAWBERRY JAM TO THIS PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICH I'M MAKING BETWEEN MY MOTHER FUCKING LIPS."
*** Worth noting that Gamzee/Tavros is/was a relatively common ship in the fandom with the nickname "peanut butter and jelly", which the last of these points, at least, is a reference to.
* Gamzee quite literally [[StuffedIntoTheFridge stuffed Vriska and Tavros in the fridge]] until they became relevant again.
* Gamzee was (almost) always blurry when he engaged Hero Mode. Why? Because Gamzee wasn't "all the way there", mentally. Notice how his appearance got sharper and sharper as time went on? YouCanPanicNow.
* The [=SBaHJ=] cloud on [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=025.jpg this panel]] is labeled "cloun", and the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005314 panel referencing that strip]] has [[MonsterClown Gamzee]] in that cloud.
* Clubs Deuce is a goofy-seeming fellow perfectly happy to blow people up. Gamzee, a goofy fellow turned slasher villain, wields the Deuce Clubs
* Jane: Proceed reveals the very much alive Gamzee, who's sporting a God-tier outfit. Since he has scratches on his face and isn't dead, this clearly is the Alpha Timeline Gamzee. Since Gamzee's godtier, it explains his strength.
* The fact that not ''once'' has a dreambubble Gamzee been seen could mean many things. But the most worrisome is the possibility that Gamzee has ''never'' died. '''Ever.''' We've never seen a dreambubble Gamzee because there isn't one, because out of all the alternate timelines not a single iteration of Gamzee Makara has died.
** Either that or all his dead selves are busy with something. At the same time. Not sure which possibility is worse.
** He has been seen [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007327 here]] in the Dream Bubble where both sets of trolls finally meet. The peculiar thing is, while there many alternate, dead, dream, and god tier selves of the trolls, there's only ''one'' Gamzee, in god tier clothes. Seems suspicious...
*** There was also only one Vriska and Meenah present, so it's likely his alternate selves are just off doing something.
*** And even then, that Gamzee has yellow eyes, meaning he's alive, meaning we ''still'' haven't seen any proof of any Gamzee dying at any point in time.
*** Roxy mentions that death is an excellent trick to sober oneself up. Now that Gamzee (who is revealed to be fake-god tier) has more bullet holes than he can count...
*** Gamzee is only confirmed to be wearing a fake-god tier costume, and likely this can be attributed to the same reason he fails to die from what ought to be rather fatal: clown antics.
* Gamzee exhibits an apparent resistance to death, despite not being god tier (so far as we can tell). Meaning he's a crazy, murderous clown (who worships a perpetually scowly individual with a stunted childhood development) that wears purple and has a nigh unbreakable immunity to being killed for no adequately explained reason. [[ComicBook/TheJoker Remind you of anyone?]] And what so happens to be Gamzee's Strife Specubus?
* Ever since Gamzee was introduced, his speech pattern has been an occasionally annoying mix of upper and lowercase letters. This speech pattern? The effects of the sopor slime pie literally meshing his split personalities together and giving him a semblance of sanity.
** A miracle is not a good thing if you're the one getting beaten by it.
** [[IncrediblyLamePun Gamzee's off his meds.]] Tasteless yes, but strangely accurate.
** When Karkat first expresses his distaste for Gamzee's typing style, he responds by typing in all lowercase, but eventually says that it doesn't feel natural and that it's better to do "wHaT fEeLs [=RiGhT aT wHeRe YoUr HeArT's=] Up In". More possible foreshadowing?
** Gamzee is a Capricorn. As in "capricious". His text alternates because he keeps changing his mind.
* Ready for some FridgeLogic AND [[FridgeHorror Horror]] at the same time? [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005261 the 1/26/11]] update implies that AxCrazy Gamzee is using the Trollian viewports to know where the others will be in the future to intercept and kill them. FridgeLogic dictates that any time Gamzee uses this to kill someone, he's changing the future and creating a doomed timeline; therefore, we already know that any attempt of his to take advantage of this will end in failure. The FridgeHorror? It also means that there are hundreds of alternate timelines out there where Gamzee has killed someone/''everyone'' and there was nothing his victims could do to escape him. Have fun with that thought.
** No, it would not be possible for him to just create doomed timelines like that. If he was going to attack any of the Trolls, the Trollian viewports would show it happening, because it would not be possible for him to go against it. Remember, any attempt to change or analyze the future has already happened, just like in pretty much every other instance of weird time shit in the story.
*** Don't you remember when [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004994 Terezi tried to get Dave to send himself to God Tier?]] The Dave sleeping on the Quest Bed, purely by the fact that he had chosen to travel to the future rather than wait, was from an alternate (doomed) timeline. So let's say Gamzee uses his Trollian viewport and sees Terezi walking down some stairs 5 minutes in the future right before having a conversation with Karkat, so he makes sure he's at that staircase 5 minutes in the future and kills her. He's just created a doomed timeline, because now her conversation with Karkat never happens and the future has been changed. In the "alpha" timeline, because he could see Terezi talking with Karkat, something, anything, will happen to prevent Gamzee from successfully intercepting and killing her beforehand. The only time Gamzee will kill someone is because it's been "preordained", not because he uses the viewports to spy on them.
*** Although now this is very unlikely to happen, if he were to see Terezi have the conversation with Karkat, and wait until she's finished her conversation, and then kill her. If he hasn't seen what happens next, or if he saw himself killing her, then the timeline is not necessarily doomed.
*** No, that is simply not possible by the way time travel works in Homestuck. Gamzee, or anyone else looking at Trollian, do not have the ability to change the future. Dave and Aradia do, but even they can only "change" the future in ways that were supposed to happen anyway. The timeline is set in ways that are unshakable by the players. Compare looking at the Trollian viewports to reading the memos: no matter what the Trolls think about the memos, they are inevitably going to write exactly what they and others have seen written, because it has all already happened. They do not have the ability or the option to change what they have already and are going to write. Looking at future memos and resolving to not write them is not going to create doomed timelines, because events have been conspired to ensure the timeline goes exactly the way it is supposed to with no unnecessary interruptions. Also compare it to the frog cloning minigame of Sburb - despite the weird time travel shit involved, it is impossible for Kanaya or Jade to create paradoxes.
*** Remember when Terezi created a doomed timeline by convincing John to jump ahead and fight his Denizen? Or the Doomed timeline in which Terzi does not kill Vriska? It's possible for any of them to create doomed timelines the predestination only means that the Alpha timeline always happens there are any number of alternate timelines... and in some of those Gamzee might have killed more people. Even Rose talks about the notion of not following through with her first conversation with Kanaya (which wasn't her anyway but this was hypothetical) and creating a Doomed timeline.
*** Too bad Gamzee still has never died even in a doomed timeline.
*** Any Doomed Timeline likely results in a Time player returning to fix it. Anyone can be the one who messes things up, but it will universally result in a Time player fixing it. Thus, Gamzee could not splinter the timeline indefinitely as there was no time player to stop him from altering the Alpha.
*** Doomed timelines can happen without Time players, but they have [[LawOfConservationOfDetail no impact on the Alpha timeline]].
*** What was that don't do it / don't ''not'' do it quote from ''{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}}'' again?
---->'''Farnsworth:''' ...You mustn't interfere with the past! Don't do anything that affects anything, unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case, for the love of God, ''don't not do it!''
* In Seek the Highb100d, you can get behind the monitor as Equius, it's behind the same room you started in... And then you find Gamzee soon after, meaning that Gamzee may have been listening, [[RunningGag neigh]] , ''watching you'' '''''the whole time''''
* During Hivebent, when Gamzee and Equius are talking to each other, Gamzee says "[=iF i CoUlD mAkE yOu SmIlE iT'd Be ThE bEsT fUcKiN mIrAcLe I eVeR dId PaRt Of.=]" After Gamzee snaps, he finally DOES make Equius smile... [[HarsherInHindsight by asphyxiating him]]. Shiver.
* From around Gamzee's first appearance: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003914 "Sometimes you just like to pick stuff up and watch the colors. It's so beautiful. Life is beautiful."]] {{Foreshadowing}}?
* Remember that Gamzee's religion predicts two evil clowns. Lord English goes Honk. Does this mean Lord English is one of the two? If so, who's the second one... oh dear...
** Lord English was born of Doc Scratch. Like Gamzee, he's bifurcated - Lord English is ''both'' of the mirthful messiahs.
*** This is even more so as we learn more of Lord English's past.
* When Gamzee gets ready to attack Nepeta, he's shown switching to his juggling clubs, which are described as "the worst pair of clubs in the universe" in the first Alterniabound flash. Despite the fact that he has a top-tier weapon visible in his syllabus. Why? He's decided on CherryTapping her to death.
** Made even worse when some fanartists take that term and make it...horrendously literal.
** [[FromBadToWorse Even worse]]: Gamzee could be so powerful that he could turn a JokeWeapon into something dangerously lethal.
** [[OverlyLongGag Even worse]]: Some speculate that Nepeta was committing [[SuicideByCop Suicide By Cop]], and that Gamzee chose this to [[CruelMercy keep her alive]] [[ColdBloodedTorture as long as]] [[ForTheEvulz possible]].
* Why do humans have good-aligned clowns if Earth was made by a race with only evil clowns? Because our clowns are based on Pre-Scratch!Gamzee, who would never have had a motive to kill anyone, and would have had therapy for the outbursts his blood-class is prone to.
** He also would have known a therapist personally. Vriska never would have known Spidermom, never would have been desensitized to killing, and because of her Sociopathic tendencies, which Beforus would have turned into a gift, would understand why Pre-Scratch!Gamzee would have his urges, and would know what to say to make him see that he had a choice not to indulge.
* Where did Gamzee get his time machines? He got them from Damara, who is easily as AxCrazy as him and also wishes to support Lord English. Like Kurloz, she's also been helping Gamzee.
** Alternatively, he may have gotten them from his kismesis, Terezi.
* If you look closely at the page where Gamzee's revealed to be the most important character in Homestuck, he initially comes off as creepy. However, with recent events, it's revealed that Gamzee's good again. If you look again, you'll realize that it's Gamzee's normal expression, except covered in blood.
** If Gamzee didn't raise Calliope/Caliborn even CAL wouldn't have existed, so he may essentially be the most important.
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003914 Colors]] Imagine now, he is crazy and talking about blood. Enjoying the colors. All of them.
* Gamzee was never "the most important character in Homestuck". Look who he's holding in his lap in that scene. It was Li'l Cal all along.
* Early in Gamzee's playthrough, Gamzee makes the accusation that Tavros "sToLe [Gamzee's] [=NoSe=]" (Tavros' normal emoticon is "}:)", Gamzee's is ":o)", Tavros had just written his as "}:o)" to screw with Gamzee). Compare Gamzee's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_face face]] to his emoticon: [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110930042232/mspaintadventures/images/6/60/Gamzee_Makara.png It has no nose]].
** Similarly, Vriska's winking face has one eye closed and seven open. It may seem like just a coin-flip of how to handle an eight-eyed face winking (between one eye and four eyes), but since seven of Vriska's eyes are covered by the same eyelid she could only close one eye, seven eyes, no eyes, or all of her eyes, and there's no reasonable way to wink with the ''other'' seven emoticon eyes.
* Eridan is descibed as being a bit of a tool, correct? Usually, his tool-ness shows when desperately talking or acting for a redrom or blackrom with one of the other eleven trolls or either one of the two female kids. Literally, he is acting like a tool because he is THINKING with ONLY [[ICallHimMisterHappy HIS TOOL!]] It gets better when you realize his weapon of choice in Alternia and SGRUB is his phallic laser rifle, or his white magic wand, which trades up style for simplicity. Best of all, Undead!Kanaya's SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in slaying her murderer Eridan becomes a series of [[VisualPun Visual Puns]] when you see her snap in half Eridan's wand, chainsaw his torso area, and remember her first-strike GroinAttack against Sober!Gamzee.
* Despite being part of the aristocracy, Eridan apparently spends [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004348 very little time underwater]]. This is because, unlike Pisces, Aquarius isn't a water sign - it's an ''air'' sign.
* Eridan's surname is taken from a water container in AncientGrome, and bears the title of Prince of Hope. Eridan is Pandora's Box: Evil in an unassuming package. Some interpretations even state Hope was the last evil in the box.
** Also, it should be no surprise that the Amporas are obsessed with sexuality, since their shared last name ''refers to a bucket''.
*** That's not even mentioning the myth Greeks and Romans used to explain his sign, Aquarius: It's Ganymede, a pretty prince Zeus fell in lust with and kidnapped to be his... cough... "cupbearer".
* Romans had U and V be the same letter, so they pronounced their Vs with a U sound. Eridan doubles his Vs, transforming them into Ws, which sound pretty much like Us. Therefore, Eridan has a classic Roman accent, which explains why the others say his wavy accent sounds ridiculous.
** And his username is caligulasAquarium.
* Since magic is not real, Eridan uses science power for combat. Sollux was blinded in his fight against Eridan. In other words, Eridan blinded him [[ThomasDolby with science!]]
** [[http://tindeck.com/album/lrfzi Now in song form!]]
* With the revelation that the class [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006464 Prince is the most active and destroyer of all of them]] is it really surprising [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005243 that Eridan destroyed the last shred of hope that they had?]]
* Eridan is generally seen as being a desperate loser who was borderline sociopathic even by the trolls' standards. Up until you consider the fact that all the trolls were still children, still on the road to being mature adults. Except for Eridan, who was ''already'' mature and already doing whatever he had to in order to make sure his species lived. He hated Vriska - he was her kismesis for a while, remember - but he still allied with her to get lusii to feed Feferi's horrorterror lusus and keep it from screaming...even though all he'd need in order to pull off that genocide he kept threatening would be to neglect just one scheduled feeding. And avoiding the drones? Well, there's a reason he was hitting on anyone who seemed like they were showing interest - he was coming on strong for a kid, but for all we know he was coming on [[MateOrDie just right]] for an ''adult''. Frankly, if Eridan were human, he'd be that loner who's way too mature for his age and who creeps out the rest of his peer group as a result.
* The mentally ill tend to see themselves as more lucid and realistic than those around them, and have trouble making others understand the way they see the world. Sound familiar? Eridan's unable to relate to others because of his sociopathy and depression, but to his warped perceptions, it's ''everyone else'' who doesn't understand.
* In a society where buckets are seen as lewd, Eridan is a bit of a perv. What does his constellation look like? [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarius_%28constellation%29 A bucket...]]
** A man pouring out the contents of a bucket. Troll buckets contain material that propagates their race. If you were to pour it out, you would be interfering with the reproduction process, which is what Eridan does when he hopesplodes the Matriorb.
** Could you say he is [[ADateWithRosiePalms spilling seed]]?
** [[http://bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/post/40681915358/they-got-the-void-player-with-a-pumpkin-where-did Hope tends to be represented by such things on a regular base]].
* In a sick way, Eridan's murder of Feferi makes sense symbolically. He sees her as having taken hope from him when they broke up, so he wanted to take life- Feferi's aspect- from her.
* Fans caught on to the symbolism during Eridan's betrayal and Feferi's death, but a Prince can also destroy ''with'' Hope. Because of his false hope that Bec Noir would spare him if they joined forces, almost everything was destroyed.
** The death of the Hero of Space resulted in the impossibility of an inhabited universe and [[CameBackStrong her revival]] made it possible for her to get the Matriorb back, allowing the new universe to contain life.
** And the the only survivor was Sollux, the Hero of Doom. Eridan could destroy as long as he liked, but he could not destroy the doom that his session would face.
* The fact that the Life symbol [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Lifeofficial.PNG kind of looks like a pair of tentacles]] make sense when you remember [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Feferi_Lusus.png Feferi's Lusus]].
* Feferi's little marine zoo must attract a lot of predators. Large predators that Eridan can hunt for her lusus.
* Damara mainly speaks Japanese, and when you translate what she says into English, it's pretty lewd... because Damara is a parody of people in hentai animes/Asian porno flicks.
* Why is Damara from a FantasyCounterpartCulture version of Japan? Remember Aradia's original characterization of being a StringyHairedGhostGirl, which usually is based on the Japanese cultural belief in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onry%C5%8D onryo]]. (WordOfGod even made reference to Aradia being based on "every Japanese horror movie ever")
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005975 "Run, Aradia's ancestor! Run!!!!"]] Wait a minute... isn't she [[YouCantFightFate stuck]] in a StableTimeLoop which makes it a ForegoneConclusion that she'll [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005969 become the Handmaid]]? [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005979 Yes she is]]. 0_0
* The Summoner was a Rufio/Peter Pan reference. And what was the legacy he left behind? A world made up entirely of kids. A literal Neverland.
* Kankri has sleep bags under his eyes, implying he has nightmares often. His post-scratch counterpart had visions of what Beforus was like. It's not unreasonable to assume that Kankri had nightmares of Alternia's bloody history like the post-scratch trolls all do. Similarly, it looks like A2!Mom Lalonde knew Roxy would eventually arrive, possibly due to some residual memory of the other Earth. (Maybe it's a Seer thing?)
** This edges into FridgeHorror when you realize [[CruelAndUnusualDeath how the Sufferer died.]]
* Kankri dismisses Porrim's concern for the status of women. Seems like a simple case of hypocrisy, but Porrim pointed out that on the surface (Lord English is still working behind the scenes) trolls are at least somewhat matriarchal. Thus, Kankri has some reason to think it's an unnecessary cause; he's still being a huge JerkAss and {{Hypocrite}} about it because Porrim has a legitimate cause, but there is some reason behind his thinking.
* FridgeBrilliance regarding the Sufferer: his last words were the Vast Expletive. One of the last things Jesus said on the cross? "My God, why have you forsaken me?"
** Kankri would likely have also forgiven them anyway as a passive-agressive jab. The very next thing Jesus says, and his last words before dying, were "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing."
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005872 "MY BLOOD IS NOT FIT TO FLOW THROUGH A SEWER, AND MY SIGN IS A PICTOGRAPHIC SYMBOL THAT LOOSELY TRANSLATES AS]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005955 'PLEASE HIKE THESE PANTS UP TO THIS GUY'S ARMPITS, CHAIN HIM TO A FLOGGING JUT, AND MAKE A FUCKING EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS SORRY SACK OF SHIT.'"]]
* [[http://elanorpam.tumblr.com/post/73879127567/so-lets-talk-about-the-cult-of-the-signless Cancer trolls are essentially doomsday cardinals]], as the Sufferer's teachings imply, and cardinals are associated with the colour red.
* Karkat's ancestor aka the sufferer, is most likely troll jesus. Take into account that we, with our red blood, are more or less modeled in Karkat's image. In other words, he's an inversion of the Father/Son part of the Holy Trinity. Furthermore, after arguing with his past and future selves, he refers to them as "past and future ghosts," or to fit with the theme, the Holy Spirit(s). Oh, and by the way; "the disciple Jesus loved" was none other than John the Apostle.
** The Sufferer isn't the only Christ-related allegory character.
*** Sollux's ancestor, the Ψiioniic is Simon Peter. A close friend to the MessianicArchetype, who ended up dying in a torturous way.
*** Nepeta's ancestor, the Disciple, is Mark the Evangelist, whose personal symbol was ''a lion.'' Alternatively, she's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_whom_Jesus_loved "The beloved disciple]], or Mary Magdalene, who some scholars claimed was Jesus' Lover/wife.
*** Kanaya's ancestor, The Dolorosa, is obviously Virgin Mary.
*** Equius' ancestor, The E%ecutor, is a combination of Pontius Pilate, the roman official who was pressured into carrying out Jesus' execution, and the semi-apocryphal figure Longinus, the Roman soldier who pierced Jesus' side with a spear. (Only he shot the sufferer with an Arrow instead.) In fact, given his later HeelFaceTurn and name change, you ''could'' argue that he has some shades of Saul/St. Paul too.
** If you want to get more Biblical, think back to how John, the first guy we meet in the series, got into the Medium: he bit an apple that the first girl we met in the series helped him obtain.
** The same guy and girl who apparently must eventually hook up, at least if you believe a [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/MATINGDIAGRAMFORMORONS.gif horrible shipping chart made by an alien Jesus]], that is, Karkat.
** On a side note: even odds that his name turns out to be "[[BrickJoke Jegus.]]"
** How has nobody mentioned the biblical David and Jonathan? Jonathan was even technically the "heir," and while calling David a "knight" is a stretch, he was a warrior!
** Considering the parallels that ''aren't'' there adds a whole new layer to this. Jesus was both God and Man, proved that by rising from the dead, and that resurrection was one of the main reasons so many converted to Christianity. Now consider that had the Sufferer been an ancendent instead of a dancestor, he would have had a ''very'' good chance of making God Tier. His death was neither especially Heroic nor remotely Just, so had he been God Tier, he would have returned from the dead. And if he had returned, his religion might very well have flourished as Christianity did.
* Before the Sufferer ever had a chance to reach a single soul, the Dolorosa committed the original act of rebellion against Alternian society by saving him from certain culling. The pre-Scratch trolls with the biggest tendency to deconstruct the biggest tenets of their own troll society are Kankri ''and Porrim''.
* Her being a mage makes sense when one switches the u in her name [[KingArthur for an r]].
* There is a part in the constellation Leo being called the sickle, which represents the head and explains why the Leijons always have the Vantas family 'on their minds'.
* Porrim is the Maid of Space, that is, "someone who fixes space". She sees the problems of the notion that each gender has their own predetermined place (or 'space', if you will) and wants to fix that.
* Though it hasn't been revealed if Neophyte Redglare was blind or not, why would someone of a Nocturnal race need to wear sunglasses if she wasn't blind? Her lusus' eyes are as bright as the sun, That's why!
** Justice is blind.
*** Holy crap. The Goddess of Justice is always depicted with a blindfold...''it all makes sense!''
* With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?
** FridgeHorror: Considering that Aranea [[MindRape "healed"]] Jake, who's to say that Gamzee running out of sopor slime wasn't what caused him to go AxCrazy, and that Aranea "fixed" him too?
*** Gamzee flips his shit before he could have met Aranea. At the same time, however, quite a few of the weird things he's done since then (breaking off his moirallegiance with Karkat, entering a kismesissitude with Terezi despite never hinting at having blackrom feelings for her) make a bit more sense if you think Aranea had a hand in it.
*** Indeed; Gamzee would have no reason to care enough about Terezi's eyes enough to bully her into fixing them, and he's not particularly witty under normal circumstances so why he suddenly KNOWS WH4T TO S4Y TO P1SS M3 OFF is a bit odd. Terezi also didn't give a shit about his opinion beforehand. Aranea, however, was raised to believe that she should help those that need it whether or not they actually want it, and knows people well enough to know what would make Terezi upset enough to heal her eyes. Failing that, she could have pushed Gamzee into using his fear manipulation powers to make Terezi react as if he'd said something really cutting when he hadn't, which would also partly explain why Terezi was such a mess - he'd been using his voodoos.
** Further horror; a moirallegiance is a romantic relationship based on intense psychological intimacy, and a moirail is supposed to calm their partner and fix their problems. Aranea switches off Gamzee's rage entirely against his will, and heals Jake when he specifically and repeatedly told her not to. By troll standards, is this rape?
*** This also means every Serket other than Pre-Scratch!Vriska has committed rape at least once, and that every quadrant has been done.
* Kurloz's muteness makes plenty of sense considering he is essentially an exagerated Gamzee, after Gamzee went crazy his quirk became based on his voice fluctuating between speaking quietly and loudly so after Kurloz's "nightmare" he became mute and uses his telepathy to shout directly into a person's head.
* Kurloz is betraying the gang as Gamzee did, but in a much less blatantly violent manner. This might be just a difference between Alternian and Beforusian troll behaviour, but in addition, Kurloz was never addicted to sopor slime. Gamzee's rampage may indeed have been worsened by withdrawal.
* A likely unintentional example; ''Dualscar'''s sign is two jagged lines.
** No, that probably ''was'' intentional.
* The Dolorosa was killed by Orphaner Dualscar. The Sufferer may have already been dead, but Dualscar ''orphaned'' him.
* Her Imperial Condescension's aggressive girliness is deliberately done to annoy Lord English, as we all know how Caliborn feels about all things feminine. Possibly as the only form of rebellion she's capable of, possibly so that he'll pay as little attention to her as possible (thus allowing her to plot against him in relative peace), or probably both.
* It turns out The Condesce had access to various psychic powers such as [[TheBeastmaster controlling animals]]. Now one must think how much of the trolling/jerk-like actions of God Cat were ''really'' because of her using those abilities.
** In a way, God Cat is also forced to serve ''Lord English'' as well. He's that bad that other First Guardians are powerless!
*** But wait, isn't ''Jade'' part First Guardian/Dog?
*** Abilities likely only extend to full animals or won't work on someone who is part human/troll (especially a god tier player).
*** It has also been suggested that the Condesce has all the powers of the Troll Ancestors. If this is the case, she has the Sufferer's ability to remember the pre-scratch Alternia, from before it was made a murderland. She just doesn't care.
*** If Meenah is anything to go by... it's not that she doesn't care. It's that she finds the idea of the Empress being the "first servant of her nation", as in obligated to help and aid every troll who needs it, boring and unbearable.
*** Oh, the Condesce's powers were very much usable on Jade...
* Take the word "Batterwitch". Now replace the b and the w. You get... (wait for it) WatterBitch, otherwise known as Water Bitch.
* "Betty Crocker" has the same number of letters in a typical Troll's name, with one letter shifted to her last name.
** There is a species of fish called the "betta".
** Betty Crocker cooks food. Fish can be cooked in a crockpot.
* In the latest update, Karkat calms Gamzee down by shooshing him and patting his face and the two are established as moirails. Now, way long ago, we got to see Nepeta's shipping wall, where there was a picture of Gamzee and Karkat as moirails, with Gamzee touching Karkat's face. Nepeta noted that it's still plausible, but that the [[ForeShadowing roles will have to be dramatically reversed.]]
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005971 On this page, it says that the Handmaid and the Condesce are the last two trolls alive]]. But what happened to God tier Aradia?
** [[NeckSnap The Condesce happened]].
** "The last two trolls alive" almost certainly means the last two trolls in ''that universe''. It's been established that Sgrub is a separate universe from Alternia, and that timelines of separate universes are non-parallel. Comparing chronology between universes is meaningless. Doc Scratch, of all people, would understand this.
*** This also indicates that the fight would take place in the Alternian universe, not Alpha!Human. Helmsman is dead.
* Sopor slime’s name may be derived from the word "sober", given their similar pronunciation and opposite meanings.
** Or the word soporific, which means "tending to induce drowsiness or sleep."
* Vriska and Tavros are NotSoDifferent! They both have deep self-esteem issues, they just deal with it in different ways. Vriska hides her insecurity by acting overbearing and lashing out at people; Tavros finds it difficult to assert himself in social situations, and when he tries, [[CrazyJealousGuy goes]] [[EntitledToHaveYou overboard]]. Neither of them knows what self-confidence really is, and each can be considered reversals of the other (JerkWithAHeartOfGold-BitchInSheepsClothing).
** Of course they would seem similar to most people. Vriska is a Sociopath, and Tavros has Asperger's Syndrome. Practically the only way to know these are different things is to know someone with one disorder and to actually have the other one yourself.
* The Signless and the Summoner are analogies to Suffragists and Suffragettes respectively.
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* Remember that update on Andrew's Formspring where [[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#mspadventures197489823865410924 he tried CS5 before returning to CS3?]] Know how he mentions having "a ton of pertinent files open all the time so I don't have to spend as much time rooting around for stuff?" [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005715 These]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005716 spoiler-ish]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005717 updates]] may be a Meta example of one way the story unfolds-[[YouShouldKnowThisAlready mining past images]] for [[CaptainObvious use later in present updates,]] with these updates a CallBack of a past TearJerker concerning Karkat and Terezi.]]
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* Remember that update on Andrew's Formspring where [[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#mspadventures197489823865410924 he tried CS5 before returning to CS3?]] Know how he mentions having "a ton of pertinent files open all the time so I don't have to spend as much time rooting around for stuff?" [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005715 These]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005716 spoiler-ish]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005717 updates]] may be a Meta example of one way the story unfolds-[[YouShouldKnowThisAlready mining past images]] for [[CaptainObvious use later in present updates,]] updates, with these updates a CallBack of a past TearJerker concerning Karkat and Terezi.]]
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* Eridan is descibed as being a bit of a tool, correct? Usually, his tool-ness shows when desperately talking or acting for a redrom or blackrom with one of the other eleven trolls or either one of the two female kids. Literally, he is acting like a tool because he is THINKING with ONLY [[ICallHimMisterHappy HIS TOOL!]] It gets better when you realize his weapon of choice in Alternia and SGRUB is his phallic laser rifle, or his white magic wand, which trades up style for simplicity. Best of all, Undead!Kanaya's CrowningMomentOfAwesome in slaying her murderer Eridan becomes a series of [[VisualPun Visual Puns]] when you see her snap in half Eridan's wand, chainsaw his torso area, and remember her first-strike GroinAttack against Sober!Gamzee.
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* Eridan is descibed as being a bit of a tool, correct? Usually, his tool-ness shows when desperately talking or acting for a redrom or blackrom with one of the other eleven trolls or either one of the two female kids. Literally, he is acting like a tool because he is THINKING with ONLY [[ICallHimMisterHappy HIS TOOL!]] It gets better when you realize his weapon of choice in Alternia and SGRUB is his phallic laser rifle, or his white magic wand, which trades up style for simplicity. Best of all, Undead!Kanaya's CrowningMomentOfAwesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in slaying her murderer Eridan becomes a series of [[VisualPun Visual Puns]] when you see her snap in half Eridan's wand, chainsaw his torso area, and remember her first-strike GroinAttack against Sober!Gamzee.
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* Vriska once said, regarding the trolls' ancestors, "[[color:#004183:You then can choose to take up the life they left for you. And if you do, they will always 8e looking out for you, and guide you in finishing what they started.]]" Mindfang was killed by the Summoner. Vriska murders Tavros. Neophyte Redglare was killed by Mindfang. Terezi kills Vriska. Orphaner Dualscar was killed on the Condesce's orders. Eridan kills Feferi. The Dolorosa was assassinated by Dualscar. Kanaya kills Eridan. The E%ecutor and the Disciple defied the highbloods and got away with it. Gamzee kills Nepeta and Equius. [[MessianicArchetype The Sufferer]] eventually broke under torture, cursing the highbloods with his dying breath... and ''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Karkat singlehandedly stops Gamzee's rampage]]'' [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming with kindness and a]] CooldownHug.
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* Vriska once said, regarding the trolls' ancestors, "[[color:#004183:You then can choose to take up the life they left for you. And if you do, they will always 8e looking out for you, and guide you in finishing what they started.]]" Mindfang was killed by the Summoner. Vriska murders Tavros. Neophyte Redglare was killed by Mindfang. Terezi kills Vriska. Orphaner Dualscar was killed on the Condesce's orders. Eridan kills Feferi. The Dolorosa was assassinated by Dualscar. Kanaya kills Eridan. The E%ecutor and the Disciple defied the highbloods and got away with it. Gamzee kills Nepeta and Equius. [[MessianicArchetype The Sufferer]] eventually broke under torture, cursing the highbloods with his dying breath... and ''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome ''[[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Karkat singlehandedly stops Gamzee's rampage]]'' [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments with kindness and a]] CooldownHug.
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* Gamzee exhibits an apparent resistance to death, despite not being god tier (so far as we can tell). Meaning he's a crazy, murderous clown (who worships a perpetually scowly individual with a stunted childhood development) that wears purple and has a nigh unbreakable immunity to being killed for no adequately explained reason. [[TheJoker Remind you of anyone?]] And what so happens to be Gamzee's Strife Specubus?
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* Gamzee exhibits an apparent resistance to death, despite not being god tier (so far as we can tell). Meaning he's a crazy, murderous clown (who worships a perpetually scowly individual with a stunted childhood development) that wears purple and has a nigh unbreakable immunity to being killed for no adequately explained reason. [[TheJoker [[ComicBook/TheJoker Remind you of anyone?]] And what so happens to be Gamzee's Strife Specubus?
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** Feferi has been all of the following at one point: [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe One fish]], [[DrSeuss Two Fish]], [[Alien Blood Red Fish, Blue Fish]].
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** Feferi has been all of the following at one point: [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe One fish]], [[DrSeuss [[Creator/DrSeuss Two Fish]], [[Alien Blood Red Fish, Blue Fish]].
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* Karkat is almost a troll counterpart to John: Both are POV characters, both show HiddenDepths, both were involved in similar in-game events, and Karkat even resembles John a bit. [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn John has a hammer, Karkat has a sickle.]]
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* Karkat is almost a troll counterpart to John: Both are POV characters, both show HiddenDepths, both were involved in similar in-game events, and Karkat even resembles John a bit. [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn John has a hammer, Karkat has a sickle.]]
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* Karkat's distress at being toyed with by Clover is by no means unreasonable, but it gets extra poignant when you remember [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009538 Karkat's experience with his Denizen.]]
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* Karkat's distress at being toyed with by Clover is by no means unreasonable, but it gets extra poignant when you remember [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009538 Karkat's experience with his Denizen.]]
* I know this may be the wrong area to talk about this, but it needs to be addressed. Many fans know that the trolls follow a 6-6 naming rule. Who else has a similar name pattern? [[TrollingCreator Andrew.]]
* I know this may be the wrong area to talk about this, but it needs to be addressed. Many fans know that the trolls follow a 6-6 naming rule. Who else has a similar name pattern? [[TrollingCreator Andrew.]]
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** Betty Crocker cooks food. Fish can be cooked in a crock pot.
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** Betty Crocker cooks food. Fish can be cooked in a crock pot.pot.
*Karkat's distress at being toyed with by Clover is by no means unreasonable, but it gets extra poignant when you remember [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009538 Karkat's experience with his Denizen.]]
*Karkat's distress at being toyed with by Clover is by no means unreasonable, but it gets extra poignant when you remember [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009538 Karkat's experience with his Denizen.]]
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* This had to be pointed out to me on Hussie's Formspring archives ([[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#andrewhussie1158647790 here]]): In the Homestuck-verse, the 12 trolls aren't based on the WesternZodiac; the WesternZodiac is based on ''them.'' Because they created the the kids' universe, somewhere in humanity's collective subconscious were these trolls. And because of this, when they looked at the sky and saw a bunch of arbitrary star clusters, they went "Oh, look a crab!" "Wow, there's a fish!" Even if the trolls aren't really ''gods'', they still have religious importance.
* With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?
* With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?
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* This had to be pointed out to me on Hussie's Formspring archives ([[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#andrewhussie1158647790 here]]): In the Homestuck-verse, the 12 trolls aren't based on the WesternZodiac; the WesternZodiac is based on ''them.'' Because they created the the kids' universe, somewhere in humanity's collective subconscious were these trolls. And because of this, when they looked at the sky and saw a bunch of arbitrary star clusters, they went "Oh, look a crab!" "Wow, there's a fish!" Even if the trolls aren't really ''gods'', they still have religious importance.
*and cultural importance.
** To break it down, Aries' energy is similar to how Aradia was in life, Gemini is riddled with bifurcation because of Sollux not to mention the myth about Castor and Pollux, the twins, states one of them died and the other grieved so much their father put them on the heaven to be together, Cancer is considered kind and motherly because of Karkat and the Sufferer, Virgo is pretty obvious, Libra and Justice are intertwined so much with Terezi that we paint/draw Justice with not only scales but also a blindfold and a sword, Scorpio has an ambiguous reputation thanks to Vriska, Sagittarius and archery+horses is obvious but it also ties in to the magnanimity of Darkleer and also some say Sagittarians are smarter than they look similar to how indigo bloods, being Void players, are exempt from Omniscience and MindControl, Pisces is said to be one of the nicest and friendliest of the signs...
** With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?
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** To break it down, Aries' energy is similar to how Aradia was in life, Gemini is riddled with bifurcation because of Sollux not to mention the myth about Castor and Pollux, the twins, states one of them died and the other grieved so much their father put them on the heaven to be together, Cancer is considered kind and motherly because of Karkat and the Sufferer, Virgo is pretty obvious, Libra and Justice are intertwined so much with Terezi that we paint/draw Justice with not only scales but also a blindfold and a sword, Scorpio has an ambiguous reputation thanks to Vriska, Sagittarius and archery+horses is obvious but it also ties in to the magnanimity of Darkleer and also some say Sagittarians are smarter than they look similar to how indigo bloods, being Void players, are exempt from Omniscience and MindControl, Pisces is said to be one of the nicest and friendliest of the signs...
** With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?
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** Vriska suggests that Karkat would make a better human than a troll, and humans have the same freakish bright red blood. Makes sense, considering he was the trolls' leader, and the one who would have personally gotten the ultimate prize if they hadn't been interrupted.
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** Vriska suggests that Karkat would make a better human than a troll, and humans have the same freakish bright red blood. Makes sense, considering he was the trolls' leader, and the one who would have personally gotten the ultimate prize if they hadn't been interrupted. As well as the one who supposedly gave the B1 universe cancer.
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* Why does Vriska think she could hook up with Tavros even though they are basically opposites? Because Vriska is the Troll equivalent of a Sociopath, and Tavros is the Troll equivalent of someone with Asperger's Syndrome. A common misconception is that these two disorders are just two different names for the same thing, and this misconception is most common among Sociopaths, and least common among those with Asperger's Syndrome.
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* Why does Vriska think she could hook up with Tavros even though they are basically opposites? Because Vriska is the Troll equivalent of a Sociopath, and Tavros is the Troll equivalent of someone with Asperger's Syndrome. A common misconception is that these two disorders are just two different names for the same thing, and this misconception is most common among Sociopaths, and least common among those with Asperger's Syndrome.Syndrome.
* Fans caught on to the symbolism during Eridan's betrayal and Feferi's death, but a Prince can also destroy ''with'' Hope. Because of his false hope that Bec Noir would spare him if they joined forces, almost everything was destroyed.
** The death of the Hero of Space resulted in the impossibility of an inhabited universe and [[CameBackStrong her revival]] made it possible for her to get the Matriorb back, allowing the new universe to contain life.
** And the the only survivor was Sollux, the Hero of Doom. Eridan could destroy as long as he liked, but he could not destroy the doom that his session would face.
* "Betty Crocker" has the same number of letters in a typical Troll's name, with one letter shifted to her last name.
** There is a species of fish called the "betta".
** Betty Crocker cooks food. Fish can be cooked in a crock pot.
* Fans caught on to the symbolism during Eridan's betrayal and Feferi's death, but a Prince can also destroy ''with'' Hope. Because of his false hope that Bec Noir would spare him if they joined forces, almost everything was destroyed.
** The death of the Hero of Space resulted in the impossibility of an inhabited universe and [[CameBackStrong her revival]] made it possible for her to get the Matriorb back, allowing the new universe to contain life.
** And the the only survivor was Sollux, the Hero of Doom. Eridan could destroy as long as he liked, but he could not destroy the doom that his session would face.
* "Betty Crocker" has the same number of letters in a typical Troll's name, with one letter shifted to her last name.
** There is a species of fish called the "betta".
** Betty Crocker cooks food. Fish can be cooked in a crock pot.
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** And if not the sign, the what it represents. Aradia's horns are more curved than the Aries symbol, but they do look exactly like ram's horns.
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** The same Flash shows a terminal with twelve screens. It's identical to the kids' terminals other than the amount of screens, and two of the screens have been destroyed. That only happens if a Hero reaches God-Tier. [[spoiler:Future!Aradia]] made it.
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** Of course they would seem similar to most people. Vriska is a Sociopath, and Tavros has Asperger's Syndrome. Practically the only way to know these are different things is to know someone with one disorder and to actually have the other one yourself.
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** Kankri would likely have also forgiven them anyway as a passive-agressive jab. The very next thing Jesus says, and his last words before dying, were "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing."
