History Fridge / HomestuckTrolls

* Nepeta's NumerologicalMotif is 33, the atomic number of arsenic and a double CatSmile. 3 x 3 also equals 9 -- the number of lives a cat has. She's also died three times -- first when Gamzee killed her, second when her dreamself died, and third when Fefetasprite blew up.

*** Nepeta's planet is Land of Little Cubes and Tea- what does that have to do with Heart? Look at [[http://whatpumpkin.com/godtier-hoodies.html the Hero of Heart emblem]]: it's a tea cup.

* Aradia's SGRUB title is Maid of Time. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005382 Here,]] she states she is [[IncrediblyLamePun made of time.]] Ha ha.

** [[IncrediblyLamePun Gamzee's off his meds.]] Tasteless yes, but strangely accurate.

* [[IncrediblyLamePun As-TROLL-ogy]]?

** Also another thing why trolls cannot stand their sun and are as such nocturnal. Not only is it because their sun is deadly - traditional trolls literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#Scandinavian_folklore could not stand daylight]] and would [[TakenForGranite turn into stone upon coming in contact with it]].

* Kanaya's title is actually an IncrediblyLamePun when you think about it. Sylphs are mythological creatures that manipulate air. In other words, [[LipstickLesbian Kanaya]] is a Fairy.

* Gamzee's personality upon later readings attributes his behavior to a Classical Mythology god, but while he's associated with Capricorn (whose patron deity is Hestia), his overall character seems to match up with the god who sometimes takes Hestia's place--Diyonisus. His color, state of drunkenness, theme of extreme violence and madness when unchecked, and horns (in earlier myths conerning him) all contribute to this association.

* Why does Gamzee say the Insane Clown Posse is [=BlAsPhEmY=]? Because [[{{Juggalo}} Subjugglators]] are supposed to be harbingers of death to the lower classes (ie, everyone besides themselves and the sea dwellers), as opposed to the benign, even relatively peaceful representation of Juggalos which the ICP presents.

* Why does Gamzee say the Insane Clown Posse is [=BlAsPhEmY=]? Because [[{{Juggalo}} Subjugglators]] are supposed to be harbingers of death to the lower classes (ie, everyone besides themselves and the sea dwellers), as opposed to the benign, even relatively peaceful representation of Juggalos which the ICP presents.

* Vriska's huge gamble at making Bec Noir and such normally seems retarded. But bear in mind that dangerous trolls are given moirails to keep this from happening. Vriska's moirail has been shunning her. It would have been more surprising if she DIDN'T wind up doing something like this.
* After re-watching and thinking over [S] Wake, methinks Hussie is a ParodySue. In addition to Vriska, who wants to be one, and Jade, who was initially portrayed as one, we also have, most notably:

* Some of the trolls who don't really care about blood color seem to forget the order of the hemospectrum -- [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004046 here]] Sollux can't remember what's lower than yellow and [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004062 here]] Nepeta doesn't seem to know where green lies. You'd think it'd be easy to remember, since it goes from red to violet like a rainbow . . . but since rainbows are created by sunlight filtering through water droplets and most trolls never go out during the day, they've probably never even seen a rainbow! And ''then'' I realized that the only time the word "rainbow" has been used in relation to trolls is [[OurVampiresAreDifferent "rainbow drinkers"]], who come out during the day . . .

* Recent updates with Vriska looking over her ancestor's journal have [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005644 shown]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005658 some]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005659 skipping.]] FridgeHorror assumes its due the Scratch descending, due to [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005630 Terezi]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005631 scratching]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005632 Disc 2 of Homestuck,]] where [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005643 the story is right now.]] However, [[OccamsRazor the simpler explanation]] might be Vriska [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005428 seeing]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005541 without]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005645 glasses]] as she views the journal, leading to [[BlindWithoutEm blurry]] [[DroppedGlasses vision]] in certain updates. The audience IS reading a Diary OverTheShoulder of Vriska for this ExpositionBreak.

** also after a recent event involving Eridan, Sollux became blind, just like Terezi.

*** A recent update had Kanaya referring to Jade (and humans in general) as "milkbeasts but without the hermaphroditic structures." I'd say that pretty much confirms that Alternian milkbeasts are all hermaphrodites.

** Can also work on a different level, considering recent events involving the Capricorn Troll and Karkat...
* The song used in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006386 this animation]], [[AwesomeMusic/{{Homestuck}} apart from being awesome]], actually has in-story significance: as [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006678 a recent update]] reveals, the pre-Scratch versions of the troll Ancestors have managed to avoid [[RetGone fading away along with their doomed timeline]], lingering on to become key figures in the Alpha Session [[TitleDrop Even In Death.]]

** As a Hero of Void, Equius has the power to black out Seers and Space-users and terminal users locked on to his position and unaccounted others. His dream self and real self are gone, and recently, we saw Lord English obliterate his ghost self. However, as an Heir of Void, couldn't he exist inside the Furthest Ring ''outside'' of a dream bubble?

* Initially, the Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff message of "Are you next" following Kanaya's death seemed fairly tasteless to a lot of people, given the circumstances. Until recent updates, that is. Remember why [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Bro killed Jeff in that comic?]] And what Kanaya is likely doing right now?

* If you look closely at the page where Gamzee's revealed to be the most important character in Homestuck, he initially comes off as creepy. However, with recent events, it's revealed that Gamzee's good again. If you look again, you'll realize that it's Gamzee's normal expression, except covered in blood.

* With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?

** Could you say he is [[ADateWithRosiePalms spilling seed]]?

** The catmints in the genus [[NamesTheSame Nepeta]] have heart-shaped leaves.

*** Confirmed: He did, [[KillEmAll and it wasn't]].

*** Confirmed: He did, [[KillEmAll and it wasn't]].

* Speaking of sopor slime, its name may be derived from the word "sober", given their similar pronounciation and opposite meanings.
Or the word soporific, which means "tending to induce drowsiness or sleep."

* Considering the [[DeadlyGame harshness]] of FLARP and the [[DeathWorld state of Alternia]], its target audience/players may be composed of those who wish to [[DoNotGoGentle go out in glory]] while also being [[DeathSeeker death seekers]] who say, [[FateWorseThanDeath would want to avoid the Drones getting to them amongst other problems]].

* Remember that update on Andrew's Formspring where [[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#mspadventures197489823865410924 he tried CS5 before returning to CS3?]] Know how he mentions having "a ton of pertinent files open all the time so I don't have to spend as much time rooting around for stuff?" [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005715 These]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005716 spoiler-ish]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005717 updates]] may be a Meta example of one way the story unfolds-[[YouShouldKnowThisAlready mining past images]] for use later in present updates, with these updates a CallBack of a past TearJerker concerning Karkat and Terezi.]]

*** A bland angsty girl [[UnintentionalUnsympatheticVillain tries to be sympathetic]] about being a rapist, or just [[RapeAsDrama happens to get raped]] in a situation that makes no sense. Of course a ParodySue would [[UpToEleven rape herself]] and [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools still be a sympathetic character]].

* Gamzee was (almost) always blurry when he engaged Hero Mode. Why? Because Gamzee wasn't "all the way there", mentally. Notice how his appearance got sharper and sharper as time went on? YouCanPanicNow.

** Suddenly, Eridan's [[IncestIsRelative rather weird acceptance of Cronus' date proposal makes sense]].

* After re-watching and thinking over [S] Wake, methinks Hussie is deconstructing at least a few MarySue tropes. In addition to Vriska, who wants to be one, and Jade, who was initially portrayed as one, we also have, most notably:

*** The funny thing is that in most works, they ''would'' be MarySue[=s=]. In ''Homestuck'', they're just characters.

*** A Mary Sue [[UnintentionalUnsympatheticVillain tries to be sympathetic]] about being a rapist, or just [[RapeAsDrama happens to get raped]] in a situation that makes no sense. Of course a Parody Sue would [[UpToEleven rape herself]] and [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools still be a sympathetic character]].

* In [S] Wake, Hussie is deconstructing at least a few MarySue tropes. In addition to Vriska, who wants to be one, and Jade, who was initially portrayed as one, we also have, most notably:

*** The funny thing is that in most works, they ''would'' be {{Mary Sue}}s. In ''Homestuck'', they're just characters.

* Vriska and Tavros are NotSoDifferent! They both have deep self-esteem issues, they just deal with it in different ways. Vriska hides her insecurity by acting overbearing and lashing out at people; Tavros finds it difficult to assert himself in social situations, and when he tries, [[CrazyJealousGuy goes]] [[EntitledToHaveYou overboard]]. Neither of them knows what self-confidence really is, and each can be considered reversals of the other (JerkWithAHeartOfGold-BitchInSheepsClothing).

* It took me an awfully long time to get the Libra=Scales=Scales of blind justice. I also seem to recall a panel where she could "see" the Trollian window, though it was blurry. Either she was "seeing" it by scent, or her blindness isn't total, making her...''[[StealthPun legally blind]]''. (Probably the first one, though.)

* Initially, the Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff message of "Are you next" following Kanaya's death seemed fairly tasteless to a lot of people, given the circumstances. Until recent updates, that is. Remember why [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Bro killed Jeff in that comic?]] And what Kanaya is likely doing right now?
* Why does Gamzee have access to every weapon with the Jokerkind Abstratus? Because the Joker is often considered a wild card.
* I don't know if anyone else just thought of this, but I was wondering why the God Tier trolls (from what we've seen of them anyways) got wings, while the human's God Tier didn't. Then it dawned on me: Trolls are born as LARVA. Like CATERPILLARS. When they finally achieve God Tier, the trolls are metamorphosing into butterflies!
* Think about this for a second. Equius has '''blue''' blood. His troll handle is centaurs'''Testicle'''. What was the end result of Gamzee strangling him?

* Sollux, with his ever-present theme of duality, was close to two troll-girls: The lowest-blooded, and the highest-blooded.
** They're also the only two trolls with alliterative chumhandles (AA and CC respectively)
** All of Sollux's deaths were at the exact same time as someone else. First, it was the Helmsman. Next, it was the Handmaid. The first was his ancestor. The second was his lover's.
* Kanaya's sign is Virgo. Her last name is '''Mary'''am. Think about that for a minute.
** On a related note, her ancestor--who is, presumably, also named Maryam and shares the Virgo symbol--was the mother of their planet's metaphoric troll Jesus.

* [[IncrediblyLamePun As-TROLL-ogy]]?

** Tavros awoke his self-confidence actually comitting to try and killing Vriska, despite failing and getting impaled. And, there maybe a second wake-up involved due to dying and being in the afterlife; maybe communing with deceased First Guardians and Lusii per his powers.
** Nepeta MIGHT have awoken to stopped being so cheery after her encounter with Noir; possibly, her Rogue of Heart powers might have kicked in, requiring her heart to stop beating for this to work. However, unless something is seen in the comic, this one is pure theory.
*** Just today it was revealed that Rogues are a kind of antithesis to their powers in that their powers effect others rather than themselves, so this thought here might hold ground
* Eridan, whose romantic advances have been turned down by nearly every other main character, lives in a [[ShipSinking wrecked ship]].
* You remember how angry Aradia was throughout her tenure as a robot? It makes more sense once you realize she was filled with [[InTheBlood Equius's blood]]!
* The troll ancestors who initiated the scratch were too weak because they lived in peace. And when they initiated the scratch, they became the ancestors instead of the players. Now, realize that the current troll world is so terrible because the Sufferer failed to spread his message. That means there is a good likelihood that the reason the original troll world was peaceful was because Karkat (acting as an ancestor in the original troll world) SUCCEEDED in spreading his message.
** Not to mention Feferi would have been the Empress. That is, if she could defeat Condy.
*** No, Condesce is Meenah, and she refused to participate in the struggle at all, not to mention lived later than Feferi.

* Kankri has sleep bags under his eyes, implying he has nightmares often. His post-scratch counterpart had visions of what Beforus was like. It's not unreasonable to assume that Kankri had nightmares of Alternia's bloody history like the post-scratch trolls all do. Similarly, it looks like A2!Mom Lalonde knew Roxy would eventually arrive, possibly due to some residual memory of the other Earth. (Maybe it's a Seer thing?)
** This edges into FridgeHorror when you realize [[CruelAndUnusualDeath how the Sufferer died.]]
* Before the Sufferer ever had a chance to reach a single soul, the Dolorosa committed the original act of rebellion against Alternian society by saving him from certain culling. The pre-Scratch trolls with the biggest tendency to deconstruct the biggest tenets of their own troll society are Kankri ''and Porrim''.

* Kankri dismisses Porrim's concern for the status of women. Seems like a simple case of hypocrisy, but Porrim pointed out that on the surface (Lord English is still working behind the scenes) trolls are at least somewhat matriarchal. Thus, Kankri has some reason to think it's an unnecessary cause; he's still being a huge JerkAss and {{Hypocrite}} about it because Porrim has a legitimate cause, but there is some reason behind his thinking.
* Why do the trolls constantly refer aspects of their culture as 'Troll [whatever]'? Because in their universe, the Condesce conquered hundreds of other planets, many of which would have had other races living on them. It's not unthinkable that parts of other cultures would become known to Alternian trolls, and so the trolls clarify that they mean ''their'' whatever, as opposed to the whatever created by another race.

* Vriska wasn't just wrong about being able to stop Jack, she was wrong that ''he would choose to fight her''. Once more, she drastically misjudges someone's psychology, SmugSnake that she is.
* If you really think about it, the trolls' romance shenanigans in general can fall into this. Remember that [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004296 partway through Hivebent, it was revealed that drones regularly visit troll adults to collect black and red buckets of DNA from them]], and that they will ''kill'' the troll if they have nothing to give. That said, while our trolls aren't likely to had been approached yet, what looks like teenage romance squabbles (such as Karkat desperately trying to get Dave into "quadrant vacillation" or Eridan's usual antics) could actually be, subconsciously or not, treated the same as a life or death situation once you remember this detail. After all, for a troll, not being in a relationship equals possible death. In other words? There's a [[MateOrDie good reason]] why the trolls seem so fixated on romance.

* Alternia has [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003904 two moons]]; one fuchsia pink, the other lime green. That's some very clever foreshadowing.

* "Betty Crocker" has the same number of letters in a typical Troll's name, with one letter shifted to her last name.
** There is a species of fish called the "betta".
** Betty Crocker cooks food. Fish can be cooked in a crock pot.

* Watch Kanaya's hairstyle very carefully, particularly the bangs on the side of her head. Then, compare it to the traditional vampire cape.
** Also, after coming back from the dead, she's '''bloody''', and her last name is '''Mary'''am.
*** It can also be a reference to the biblical Virgin Mary, since her sign is Virgo and she's set to raise the new mother grub.
* Nepeta seems to sleep with her lusus rather than in a recuperacoon, thus her dreams are filled with her species' history of violence. In other words, her dreams are probably filled with EXCITING TALES FROM THE HUNT, which explains why she acts so feral and yet so adorable. May also qualify as FridgeHorror.
** Also it might explain why she has circles underneath her eyes - she might not get as good sleep from it.
** And look at her coat. At first glance, it may seem like an ordinary coat that an artist like Nepeta would wear. Take another look at it. ''Nepeta's coat is a hunting coat''.
* Speaking of Equius and dark eye circles: you can actually see his blood color under his shades, unlike the others. If you've watched enough police procedural shows, you've heard the word [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petechia petechia]] associated with the bloodshot eyes of strangling victims. Remember how Equius seemed so creepy and perverse that the Narrator delayed introducing him? Remember how ''happy'' he looked when he's being strangled to death by Gamzee??
* LateToThePunchline: I knew for a while that the troll equivalent of STRIFE was [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003970 GRIEF]] (in backwards and upside down [[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Daedric]]), but I only recently caught the joke. They're {{troll}}s. They're ''{{grief|er}}ing'' each other.
* When Karkat was explaining Troll Romance to Vriska in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' he told her that Tavros could never hate her the way she hated him because there was something dysfunctional about him that kept him from developing the same degree of hate as everyone else. When Hussie introduced Kanaya, one of the other 'nice' trolls, he repeated a comment from Tavros's introduction about not sleeping much. Suddenly it became clear why Kanaya and Tavros are so nice compared to other trolls: All trolls suffer from psychotic nightmares so bad that they have to sleep in psychoactive goop in order to dull the edge. But Tavros, who can't fit in his cocoon because of his freakish horns, and Kanaya, who stays up late because she's the troll equivalent of a Goth, have minimized their exposure.
** Given that we've recently learned that Karkat, and probably the rest of the Trolls, ''can't sleep'', their dream-selves dying may have made them all insomniacs. And if that's the case, Tavros and Kanaya don't just have minimized exposure - they've also got more experience dealing with sleep deprivation. Doubles as FridgeHorror if you think about it too long. - Volouscheur
** Related, the most isolated trolls, Nepeta, Kanaya, and Feferi are among the nicest. Nepeta lives in a cave with her lusus and has to hunt for food. While Feferi can't go very far from hers without getting killed. Meanwhile, Kanaya is both diurnal and lives in an area laden with undead. All of them would have had little contact with troll society and thus wouldn't end up "socialized" like the others. Feferi and Nepeta can get away with not caring about black romance because the imperial drone will never reach them.
** Related to Tavros's incapability to form a Kismesitude, why has he not been executed for failing to provide? The same reason he hasn't been culled for paraplegia. The imperial drone has never visited him.

* Gamzee is originally introduced as the Bard of something. To those who only know bards as the SpoonyBard trope or from tabletop games and [=RPGs=], it makes sense in light of his spacey-ness and general uselessness. The original Celtic bards, however, were the bearers of oral tradition and passed down laws, histories, and folklore. Gamzee is the Bard of Rage because he is meant to remind the trolls of how flat fucking terrifying the Subjugglators were.
** If one plays fast and loose with synonyms, "Bard of Rage" could be rephrased as "[[NamesToRunAwayFrom Herald of Madness]]".
** One synonym for "bard" is "skald". A "scald" can be defined as a type of plant illness caused by excessive sunlight. The Green Sun.
*** Guess what our universe had that Gamzee made worse. Guess what also can be caused by excessive sunlight.
* Other than it being crucial to his characterization, why is Karkat a mutant? What is his sign? Cancer. What is one of the looser definitions of cancer? A mutation.
** Also, he wields a sickle. A sickle cell is a mutated blood cell.
*** Makes a lot of sense that he gave Jade's Universe cancer.
*** He also causes a mutation inadvertently. By trolling Jade, she brings it up to John, which causes him to decide to change his chum handle from valid DNA (GT) to a mutation. (EB)
*** Mutations involve changing from one valid code to another ... ie, GT to GG or something. "EB" is just nonsense; there are no bases coded E or B. ''Brilliance'' would have involved him using a handle that abbreviated to some combination of I, X, and D, which ''are'' abbreviations for (rare) bases.

* When Tavros goes to confront Vriska, he completely forgoes all tactics and runs straight at her. You could say he charged ''like a bull''.
** Vriska, on the other hand, stood her ground and let him come to her...just like a spider.
* The sufferer specifically died from an arrow shot by Equius ancestor darkleer, and then Karkat was the one who sent Equius to his death in an attempt to stop the highbloods
** Also relatedly, something I didn't realize until recently: when Vriska kills the Black King, she rolls an 8^8. We now know that that roll gets you Ancestral Awakening. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005653 Mindfang vs a giant ugly blackish monster, huh?]]
* Some might be wondering why Sollux is fluctuating between flushed and caliginous feelings for Gamzee in the showdown. Sollux's entire shtick is duality....of ''course'' he'll have two conflicting opinions of him!
** On a side note, think about this. Did you notice that out of all of the trolls, Sollux has the most relationships? That's right, in canon, Sollux is the most ''paired'' up troll!

* If you think about it, TheReveal that the trolls were in a post-scratch session was possibly foreshadowed (or perhaps there have been coincidences?). Remember in [s] Past Karkat: Wake Up we only got to see the grub versions of "our" trolls, but not the ancestors? Also remember how ectobiology works; by pinpointing someone in time and creating a paradox clone of them. If the trolls had been made with their ancestors' DNA, Karkat would know what the "extra twelve useless wrigglers" were for since the machine had pinpointed at them. Instead, the Ancestor grubs were probably made with a mixture of our trolls' DNA, thus explaining Karkat's belief that the "extra" grubs were "useless".
** The same Flash shows a terminal with twelve screens. It's identical to the kids' terminals other than the amount of screens, and two of the screens have been destroyed. That only happens if a Hero reaches God-Tier. [[spoiler:Future!Aradia]] made it.
* Gamzee's handle is terminallyCapricious, and in a roundabout way he's ultimately responsible for Jack becoming the all-powerful HeroKiller that he is now. Karkat may have given the Kids' universe cancer, but Gamzee made it terminal.

* Remember how during the buildup to Vriska's death, the transition to the next pages always read "Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock." Now, at first it seems to just be a reference to the clock which decides whether the death of a god tier was heroic or just, as it ticked away in Vriska's final moments. However, if you think about this in relation to who Vriska is as a character, it turns into more of a fridge brilliance. Simply put, Vriska is or aspires to be a one armed, one eyed pirate. A certain other one armed, one armed pirate,(Read, Captain Hook), was continually haunted by a crocodile who would make "Tick Tock" noises whenever he approached due to the fact that he swallowed a clock, and was scared to death of this crocodile because that was how it was prophesized he would die. See the connection. Andrew Hussie has made Vriska into a walking (And dying) Peter Pan reference.

* The fact that the Life symbol [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Lifeofficial.PNG kind of looks like a pair of tentacles]] make sense when you remember [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Feferi_Lusus.png Feferi's Lusus]].

* The update "[S] Wake." has several [[CallBack Call Backs]] going on with it:
** 1. The last Flash update before this on to issue a general command was "[S] Make Her Pay." Both Aradia and Vriska did just that in it. The same thing happens here.
** 2. The last time Tavros saw Vriska wearing fairy wings, she was trying to please him, trying to make him love her. [[IronicEcho This time]], she kills him. Kind of a stark contrast, don't you think?
** 3. The first time Tavros and Vriska are the seen together, Vriska forces Tavros off a cliff. Guess what happens here?

* Since magic is not real, Eridan uses science power for combat. Sollux was blinded in his fight against Eridan. In other words, Eridan blinded him [[Music/ThomasDolby with science!]]
** [[http://tindeck.com/album/lrfzi Now in song form!]]

* With the revelation that the class [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006464 Prince is the most active and destroyer of all of them]] is it really surprising [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005243 that Eridan destroyed the last shred of hope that they had?]]
* Eridan is generally seen as being a desperate loser who was borderline sociopathic even by the trolls' standards. Up until you consider the fact that all the trolls were still children, still on the road to being mature adults. Except for Eridan, who was ''already'' mature and already doing whatever he had to in order to make sure his species lived. He hated Vriska - he was her kismesis for a while, remember - but he still allied with her to get lusii to feed Feferi's horrorterror lusus and keep it from screaming...even though all he'd need in order to pull off that genocide he kept threatening would be to neglect just one scheduled feeding. And avoiding the drones? Well, there's a reason he was hitting on anyone who seemed like they were showing interest - he was coming on strong for a kid, but for all we know he was coming on [[MateOrDie just right]] for an ''adult''. Frankly, if Eridan were human, he'd be that loner who's way too mature for his age and who creeps out the rest of his peer group as a result.
* The mentally ill tend to see themselves as more lucid and realistic than those around them, and have trouble making others understand the way they see the world. Sound familiar? Eridan's unable to relate to others because of his sociopathy and depression, but to his warped perceptions, it's ''everyone else'' who doesn't understand.
* Aranea describes the relationship between A1 and A2's timelines as being linear, but it's obvious to the readers that the relationships between all universes are [[TimeyWimeyBall a bit more complicated than that]]. But of course that's how she would explain it to Terezi - she said herself that she's existed for so long that time-related words are little more than a convenience.
** As a Hero of Void, Equius has the power to black out Seers and Space-users and terminal users locked on to his position and unaccounted others. His dream self and real self are gone, and recently, we saw Lord English obliterate his ghost self. However, as an Heir of Void, couldn't he exist inside the Furthest Ring OUTSIDE of a dream bubble?
** As a Hero of Hope, Eridan has the power to create an AstralProjection of other players within a dream bubble. Dirk hinted to Jake that he possesses untold power as a Page, and that Jake has unresolved feelings for Dirk. As Eridan had feelings for Feferi, maybe one or both still exist in a dream bubble the Kids and Trolls have yet to encounter, and their real selves deaths could allow them to exist ALIVE within the dream bubble compared to flickering Dream!Dirk or a standard MilkyWhiteEyes ghost.
*** Eridan is a Prince. He doesn't create something by believing in it. He destroys it by not believing in it. Feferi is clearly angry about dying, to the point where she lashed out at Jade, so because he didn't believe they could be friends, the offer is off the table. He destroyed all hope of the relationship. Hope wasn't lost when he tried to defect, but the exact instant he considered it as a mere possibility.

* Q: Equius is so freakishly strong, [[FridgeLogic wasn't he strong enough to break the bowstring with his neck muscles]]? A: [[http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#mspadventures158881785575405344 Yes]].
* In the latest update, Karkat calmes Gamzee down by shooshing him and patting his face and the two are established as moirails. Now, way long ago, we got to see Nepeta's shipping wall, where there was a picture of Gamzee and Karkat as moirails, with Gamzee touching Karkat's face. Nepeta noted that it's still plausible, but that the [[ForeShadowing roles will have to be dramatically reversed.]]

* Early in Gamzee's playthrough, Gamzee makes the accusation that Tavros "sToLe [Gamzee's] [=NoSe=]" (Tavros' normal emoticon is "}:)", Gamzee's is ":o)", Tavros had just written his as "}:o)" to screw with Gamzee). Compare Gamzee's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_face face]] to his emoticon: [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110930042232/mspaintadventures/images/6/60/Gamzee_Makara.png It has no nose]].
** Similarly, Vriska's winking face has one eye closed and seven open. It may seem like just a coin-flip of how to handle an eight-eyed face winking (between one eye and four eyes), but since seven of Vriska's eyes are covered by the same eyelid she could only close one eye, seven eyes, no eyes, or all of her eyes, and there's no reasonable way to wink with the ''other'' seven emoticon eyes.

* Kurloz's muteness makes plenty of sense considering he is essentially an exagerated Gamzee, after Gamzee went crazy his quirk became based on his voice fluctuating between speaking quietly and loudly so after Kurloz's "nightmare" he became mute and uses his telepathy to shout directly into a person's head.
* Damara mainly speaks Japanese, and when you translate what she says into English, it's pretty lewd. Then, it hit me - Damara is a parody of people in hentai animes/Asian porno flicks.
* It turns out The Condesce had access to various psychic powers such as [[TheBeastmaster controlling animals]]. Now one must think how much of the trolling/jerk-like actions of God Cat were ''really'' because of her using those abilities.
** In a way, God Cat is also forced to serve ''Lord English'' as well. He's that bad that other First Guardians are powerless!
*** But wait, isn't ''Jade'' part First Guardian/Dog?
*** I think the abilities only extend to full animals or won't work on someone who is part human/troll (especially a god tier player).
*** It has also been suggested that the Condesce has all the powers of the Troll Ancestors. If this is the case, she has the Sufferer's ability to remember the pre-scratch Alternia, from before it was made a murderland. She just doesn't care.
*** If Meenah is anything to go by... it's not that she doesn't care. It's that she finds the idea of the Empress being the "first servant of her nation", as in obligated to help and aid every troll who needs it, boring and unbearable.
*** Oh, the Condesce's powers were very much usable on Jade...

* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005971 On this page, it says that the Handmaid and the Condesce are the last two trolls alive]]. But what happened to God tier Aradia?
** [[NeckSnap The Condesce happened]].
** "The last two trolls alive" almost certainly means the last two trolls in ''that universe''. It's been established that Sgrub is a separate universe from Alternia, and that timelines of separate universes are non-parallel. Comparing chronology between universes is meaningless. Doc Scratch, of all people, would understand this.
*** This also indicates that the fight would take place in the Alternian universe, not Alpha!Human. Helmsman is dead.

* In Seek the Highb100d, you can get behind the monitor as Equius, it's behind the same room you started in... And then you find Gamzee soon after, meaning that Gamzee may have been listening, [[RunningGag neigh]] , ''watching you'' '''''the whole time'''''.
* Why did the trolls suddenly went silent in the bad alt timeline when John died due to fighting the Denizen early? It's because their session ceased to exist the moment whatever convoluted Weird Time Shit sent Lil'Cal from arriving in Alterina and Kanaya's hands, and thus allowed Doc Scratch to be born, who in turn set everything up in the first place was prevented due to Dave prototyping Lil'Cal. They didn't go silent so much as '''cease to exist.'''
** Or not. In Paradox Space, the alpha timeline is eternally present at all points, and any deviation will simply doom everyone in it. The Trolls were still there in the alpha timeline, they just couldn't communicate with the doomed one. [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004990 Two timelines can exist at once.]]
*** Which actually may disprove the theory since Terezi converses with ''both'' Daves. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005090 Doomed Dave contacts her]] right before Noir kills him.
*** Still in the Alpha timeline, it's just not Alpha Dave. As long as they remain in the Alpha timeline they can be contacted no matter who they are.
** Which leads to a moment of FridgeBrilliance as well. Ever since it was revealed how dreamselves worked, this troper always wondered why Dream John and Dream Jade didn't take over as "real" John and Jade. The answer is it wasn't John's death that doomed the timeline, it was Cal being prototyped.
*** Though Dream John wouldn't have been able to take over anyway, since that particular use of a dreamself requires use of the Quest Bed (which no one was in any position to take advantage of) or a kiss from one of the other players (which would have required getting to John's seventh gate themselves to get to a body in the same room as an angry Denizen).
*** John's Denizen was calm about killing John. Dream Jade still couldn't take over though. If you never physically enter the Medium, there is no dream self.

* Karkat's ancestor aka the sufferer, is most likely troll jesus. Take into account that we, with our red blood, are more or less modeled in Karkat's image. In other words, he's an inversion of the Father/Son part of the Holy Trinity. Furthermore, after arguing with his past and future selves, he refers to them as "past and future ghosts," or to fit with the theme, the Holy Spirit(s). Oh, and by the way; "the disciple Jesus loved" was none other than John the Apostle.
** The Sufferer isn't the only Christ-related allegory character.
*** Sollux's ancestor, the Ψiioniic is Simon Peter. A close friend to the MessianicArchetype, who ended up dying in a torturous way.
*** Nepeta's ancestor, the Disciple, is Mark the Evangelist, whose personal symbol was ''a lion.'' Alternatively, she's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_whom_Jesus_loved "The beloved disciple]], or Mary Magdalene, who some scholars claimed was Jesus' Lover/wife.
*** Kanaya's ancestor, The Dolorosa, is obviously Virgin Mary.
*** Equius' ancestor, The E%ecutor, is a combination of Pontius Pilate, the roman official who was pressured into carrying out Jesus' execution, and the semi-apocryphal figure Longinus, the Roman soldier who pierced Jesus' side with a spear. (Only he shot the sufferer with an Arrow instead.) In fact, given his later HeelFaceTurn and name change, you ''could'' argue that he has some shades of Saul/St. Paul too.
** If you want to get more Biblical, think back to how John, the first guy we meet in the series, got into the Medium: he bit an apple that the first girl we met in the series helped him obtain.
** The same guy and girl who apparently must eventually hook up, at least if you believe a [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/MATINGDIAGRAMFORMORONS.gif horrible shipping chart made by an alien Jesus]], that is, Karkat.
** On a side note: even odds that his name turns out to be "[[BrickJoke Jegus.]]"
** How has nobody mentioned the biblical David and Jonathan? Jonathan was even technically the "heir," and while calling David a "knight" is a stretch, he was a warrior!
** Considering the parallels that ''aren't'' there adds a whole new layer to this. Jesus was both God and Man, proved that by rising from the dead, and that resurrection was one of the main reasons so many converted to Christianity. Now consider that had the Sufferer been an ancendent instead of a dancestor, he would have had a ''very'' good chance of making God Tier. His death was neither especially Heroic nor remotely Just, so had he been God Tier, he would have returned from the dead. And if he had returned, his religion might very well have flourished as Christianity did.

* Equius forbidding Nepeta from engaging in EXTREME ROLEPLAYING. Later it's revealed his house has a nice view on Vriska, which means he had a DAMN GOOD REASON for forbidding her. (BTW, if someone could find the fan art showcasing it, it would be cool - couldn't find it on Skaia.Net).
** [[http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?30351-ROMANTIC-FANART-5-We-re-0k-with-this&p=3929102&viewfull=1#post3929102 Here]].
* Kanaya is one of the only, if not the only troll that enjoys sunlight. Her main relations are Vriska and Rose, both of whom are heroes of light.

* A fan thoery that came from [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005407 Mindfang's diary]] was that the "slave girl" Mindfang summons was Kanaya's ancestor. According to [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005959 this page]] The Dolorosa (Kanaya's ancestor) was sold into slavery.
* The Disciple, Nepeta's ancestor, was obsessed with recording the teachings of the Sufferer, Karkat's ancestor. Karkat loves Rom-Coms and talking about romance. Suddenly, Nepeta's shipping wall makes a lot of sense.
* The Sufferer, Karkat's ancestor, and the Disciple, Nepeta's, had what was described as basically a perfect, fairy-tale romance. No wonder Nepeta had such a crush on Karkat - their ancestors had the kind of love story that would have been irresistible to her. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for us to think she saw herself and Karkat as the next Disciple and Sufferer.
** Related: The Sufferer and Disciple's romance connects to Nepeta and Karkat's Sgurb titles, The Rogue of Heart and the Knight of Blood respectively.

* I wondered why Sollux's blood color was yellow while two defining colors of his are red and blue. Then it hit me; Yellow, red, and blue are all primary colors.
** No. They aren't. Neither additive nor subractive colors use red, yellow, and blue. Additive uses red, green, and blue. Subtractive uses magenta, yellow, cyan, and black.
*** 3D glasses can sometimes use magenta and cyan. That just leaves yellow and black.
** Also, in astrology the colour yellow is associated with the sign Gemini.
** It gets better: the two brightest stars in the constellation Gemini are named Castor and Pollux. Castor appears bluish, Pollux is reddish.

** Justice is blind.
*** Holy crap. The Goddess of Justice is always depicted with a blindfold...''it all makes sense!''
* Read [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004223 Kanaya's introduction page]] while listening to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE Monty Python's Lumberjack Song]].
* Kanaya's title is actually an IncrediblyLamePun when you think about it. Sylphs are mythological creatures that manipulate air. In other words, [[LipstickLesbian Kanaya]] is a Fairy.
* This might be fairly obvious but it makes sense that Kanaya became the rainbow drinker; she was under the sign Virgo and in various vampire mythology only virgins can become vampires.
* For an in-universe example, Tavros's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004064 realizing]] where Tinkerbull is. That's... That's just ''cruel.''
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005975 "Run, Aradia's ancestor! Run!!!!"]] Wait a minute... isn't she [[YouCantFightFate stuck]] in a StableTimeLoop which makes it a ForegoneConclusion that she'll [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005969 become the Handmaid]]? [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005979 Yes she is]]. 0_0
* This line from Doc Scratch's description of the Handmaiden: "She stirred up class warfare and intensified bigotry in whatever era she haunted." Aradia, the Handmaiden's descendent, had some sort of romantic relationship with the bigoted Equius.
* Karkat's true blood colour is candy red, but he hides it by having a grey shirt symbol and text. Crabs are usually greyish or bright red.
* This may just be a coincidence, but I was looking at a group picture of the trolls and kids, and I realized something: There are 6 female trolls. 1/2 of them have long hair(Vriska, Feferi, and Aradia), while the other half(Terezi, Nepeta, and Kanaya) don't. 6 and 1/2. when you remove the signs and spaces, you get 612.
** I also found out that the kids have their own version of above. There are 4 kids. 1 of them(Jade) has long hair. The other 3(John, Rose, and Dave) don't. 4, 1, and 3. Put it all together, and you get 413.

* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005872 "MY BLOOD IS NOT FIT TO FLOW THROUGH A SEWER, AND MY SIGN IS A PICTOGRAPHIC SYMBOL THAT LOOSELY TRANSLATES AS]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005955 'PLEASE HIKE THESE PANTS UP TO THIS GUY'S ARMPITS, CHAIN HIM TO A FLOGGING JUT, AND MAKE A FUCKING EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS SORRY SACK OF SHIT.'"]]
* So all the trolls have [[HornedHumanoid horns]] that correspond to their Zodiac sign, right? So okay, some are pretty straightforward, like Aradia, Tavros and Gamzee, whose horns are based on their respective animals. Others, like Vriska, Kanaya, Eridan, and Feferi, have horns modeled after their symbol. Terezi, however, has these short, perfectly conical horns. What in Hussie's name does that have to do with her sign? Well, after seeing [[http://fav.me/d59okm2 this]] picture of ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}, it hit me - [[{{Homage}} their horns are exactly alike]], and both are {{Blind Weaponmaster}}s who believe in [[JusticeWillPrevail justice!]] Hussie, you magnificent son of a bitch!
* In a sick way, Eridan's murder of Feferi makes sense symbolically. He sees her as having taken hope from him when they broke up, so he wanted to take life- Feferi's aspect- from her.
* Vriska and Tavros are NotSoDifferent! They both have deep self-esteem issues, they just deal with it in different ways. Vriska hides her insecurity by acting overbearing and lashing out at people; Tavros finds it difficult to assert himself in social situations, and when he tries, [[CrazyJealousGuy goes]] [[EntitledToHaveYou overboard]]. Neither of them know what self-confidence really is, and each can be considered reversals of the other (JerkWithAHeartOfGold-BitchInSheepsClothing).
** Of course they would seem similar to most people. Vriska is a Sociopath, and Tavros has Asperger's Syndrome. Practically the only way to know these are different things is to know someone with one disorder and to actually have the other one yourself.

* [[http://elanorpam.tumblr.com/post/73879127567/so-lets-talk-about-the-cult-of-the-signless Cancer trolls are essentially doomsday cardinals]], as the Sufferer's teachings imply, and cardinals are associated with the colour red.
* Nepeta's NumerologicalMotif is 33, the atomic number of arsenic and a double CatSmile. 3 x 3 also equals 9 -- the number of lives a cat has. She's also died three times -- first when Gamzee killed her, second when her dreamself died, and third when Fefetasprite blew up.
* Sollux, the troll with a duality motif, dates Feferi, a troll whose astrological sign is ''two'' fish.
** Feferi has been all of the following at one point: [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe One fish]], [[Creator/DrSeuss Two Fish]], [[Alien Blood Red Fish, Blue Fish]].
* Feferi's Pisces sign and her double ended trident have [[http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b510/magicrockssohard/trident_zps3c8072ac.png the same (fundamental) shape!]]

* The fact that Alternia seems to have SchizoTech actually makes a lot of sense when you factor in the existence of natural psionics. After all, you don't necessarily need to invent machine guns or nuclear reactors if part of your population has EyeBeams and you can fly to the stars with just [[PoweredByAForsakenChild one poor bastard]] [[LivingBattery hooked up to the wires]]. This then resulted in a race that managed to develop interstellar travel before it moved past melee weaponry.

* Feferi's little marine zoo must attract a lot of predators. Large predators that Eridan can hunt for her lusus.

* Dragons are depicted in myth as very LongLived, if not outright immortal. It seems that Terezi inherited some of their resilience.

* Something that blew my mind when I realized it: the Sufferer is a pretty obvious analogue for Jesus, and Karkat is technically his ancestor since the trolls' session is post-Scratch. Then you consider that Karkat's first words to a human were "ATTENTION WORTHLESS HUMAN: [[Main/ForeShadowing THIS IS YOUR GOD SPEAKING]]." He wasn't just being his usual arrogant self; in a way it was literally accurate, since Karkat is, in human terms, the father of Troll Jegus.

* Why do humans have good-aligned clowns if Earth was made by a race with only evil clowns? Because our clowns are based on Pre-Scratch!Gamzee, who would never have had a motive to kill anyone, and would have had therapy for the outbursts his blood-class is prone to.
** He also would have known a therapist personally. Vriska never would have known Spidermom, never would have been desensitized to killing, and because of her Sociopathic tendencies, which Beforus would have turned into a gift, would understand why Pre-Scratch!Gamzee would have his urges, and would know what to say to make him see that he had a choice not to indulge.

* Concerning [S] Wake, maybe all the characters seen in the flash awoke one way or another, besides the obvious...
** Aradia awoke not only to God Tier, but also awoke her normal emotions again, feeling happy to be alive.
** Vriska not only awoke from demotivating WV in his nightmare to face Bec Noir, but also awoke her conscience after killing Tavros and feeling guilty about it, even fearing facing Noir as she planned all along.
** Feferi has always wanted to be with the Furthest Gods of the Ring; her death of her dreamself awoke her powers as the Witch of Life, so to speak, due to her communication with Jade, being able to speak from the afterlife to the living compared to other deceased characters in SBURB and SGRUB.
** Jack Noir probably believed himself invincible killing one life after another with his First Guardian powers; witnessing Aradia gave him an OhCrap on his face, and becoming time stopped by Aradia may have awoken fear in him, or something close to rethinking his killing strategy besides using green fire and showing his stabs.
** Tavros awoke his self-confidence actually comitting to try and killing Vriska, despite failing and getting impaled. And, there maybe a second wake-up involved due to dying and being in the afterlife; maybe communing with deceased First Guardians and Lusii per his powers.

* We all know that trolls have four forms of love (matespiritship, kissmessitude, moirailliegance, and auspticism. But according to at least one theory, humans also have four forms of love: romantic love, friendship, affection, and charity. Suddenly you realize why the trolls are so (from our perspective, at least) screwed up. Their society has no concepts of friendship, of affection (that one's a bit more natural, since they don't have families the way we do), or of charity, so huge chunks of the interpersonal bonds humans work with are missing.

* At first, [[EmotionlessGirl Aradia]] killing Vriska didn't make much sense, since earlier in the comic she said she didn't want revenge. Then you see that her exile told her to do it. She's used to hearing voices in her head, and she'd always do what they said. What's one more voice to her?
** Not really, she specifically makes it known she's n0t 0K with it.
* Aradia is the Maid of Time. She was put into a robot body. Does this make her an iron maiden?
* Tavros's typing quirk is because cAPS lOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL, fOR COOL (and Tavros doesn't really understand either, Caps Lock ''or'' cool)
** Also, his attempt at trolling Dave going horribly wrong: Dave reacts with ironic gay innuendo, and Tavros gets confused and upset and blocks him. Trolls [[EveryoneIsBi don't consider gender an object to sexuality]], and so presumably don't even ''have'' GayBravado. No wonder he was confused and upset.

* The Sufferer is a pretty obvious analogue for Jesus, and Karkat is technically his ancestor since the trolls' session is post-Scratch. Then you consider that Karkat's first words to a human were "ATTENTION WORTHLESS HUMAN: [[Main/ForeShadowing THIS IS YOUR GOD SPEAKING]]." He wasn't just being his usual arrogant self; in a way it was literally accurate, since Karkat is, in human terms, the father of Troll Jegus.

* Kanaya's typing quirk involves [[SelfDemonstratingArticle Capitalizing Every Word She Types]]. How does one do that? By hitting the shift key with their pinky after every word. The pinky is stereotypically held up when drinking tea or in other 'dignified' past times, Why does Kanaya have such fine motor control? Because it befits a lady like [[LadyOfWar her]].

* Terezi's Lusus is a dragon because it has many scales.

* At first, it looks like Terezi's crying [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006665 here]], because it's recently after her eyes were burned, and she was blinded. Except she's actually [[EyeScream BLEEDING]] out her eyes.
* Recall back when Terezi sent John to get mauled by his Denizen and we all thought she was a big evil bitch? Now, take into account the revelation that Terezi can see the outcomes of doomed timelines, as demonstrated by Vriska. Terezi ''deliberately facilitated the doomed timeline in order to aid the alpha. She was actually helping the whole time.''
** She does claim to not have thought of that, though.

* Equius's Trollian name is relevant to his interests. PlayedForLaughs anyway with troll culture's "Fine Art".
* Equius' lusus is referred to as male... and then... Equius likes drinking his lusus' milk... Oh.. Oh God...
** A male with a lactating udder. Maybe Lusus romance is a bit more complicated than you think?
*** A recent update had Kanaya referring to Jade (and humans in general) as "milkbeasts but without the hermaphroditic structures." I'd say that pretty much confirms that Alternian milkbeasts are all hermaphrodites.
* Equius forbidding Nepeta from engaging in EXTREME ROLEPLAYING. Later it's revealed his house has a nice view on Vriska, which means he had a DAMN GOOD REASON for forbidding her. (BTW, if someone could find the fan art showcasing it, it would be cool - couldn't find it on Skaia.Net).
** [[http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?30351-ROMANTIC-FANART-5-We-re-0k-with-this&p=3929102&viewfull=1#post3929102 Here]].

* The Summoner was a Rufio/Peter Pan reference. And what was the legacy he left behind? A world made up entirely of kids. A literal Neverland.

* In the latest update, Karkat calms Gamzee down by shooshing him and patting his face and the two are established as moirails. Now, way long ago, we got to see Nepeta's shipping wall, where there was a picture of Gamzee and Karkat as moirails, with Gamzee touching Karkat's face. Nepeta noted that it's still plausible, but that the [[ForeShadowing roles will have to be dramatically reversed.]]

* Eridan is descibed as being a bit of a tool, correct? Usually, his tool-ness shows when desperately talking or acting for a redrom or blackrom with one of the other eleven trolls or either one of the two female kids. Literally, he is acting like a tool because he is THINKING with ONLY [[ICallHimMisterHappy HIS TOOL!]] It gets better when you realize his weapon of choice in Alternia and SGRUB is his phallic laser rifle, or his white magic wand, which trades up style for simplicity. Best of all, Undead!Kanaya's SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in slaying her murderer Eridan becomes a series of [[VisualPun Visual Puns]] when you see her snap in half Eridan's wand, chainsaw his torso area, and remember her first-strike GroinAttack against Sober!Gamzee.

* Vriska once said, regarding the trolls' ancestors, "[[color:#004183:You then can choose to take up the life they left for you. And if you do, they will always 8e looking out for you, and guide you in finishing what they started.]]" Mindfang was killed by the Summoner. Vriska murders Tavros. Neophyte Redglare was killed by Mindfang. Terezi kills Vriska. Orphaner Dualscar was killed on the Condesce's orders. Eridan kills Feferi. The Dolorosa was assassinated by Dualscar. Kanaya kills Eridan. The E%ecutor and the Disciple defied the highbloods and got away with it. Gamzee kills Nepeta and Equius. [[MessianicArchetype The Sufferer]] eventually broke under torture, cursing the highbloods with his dying breath... and ''[[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Karkat singlehandedly stops Gamzee's rampage]]'' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments with kindness and a]] CooldownHug.

* One of Alternia's moons is purple - which is what you get if you add the primary colors red and blue. Red is the color of the Kids' universe, while blue is the color of the Trolls' universe.
** It's also the inverted color of the green moon. They're opposites. This may very well mean something.
*** Considering that the destruction of the red and blue universes created the green sun...and that Derse's purple moon was involved...

** Not to mention Feferi would have been the Empress.
*** That is, if she could defeat Condy.

*** We later find out that "Prince" basically means "Destroyer" in the game, however. His title seems to be the most accurate now.
** I would also point out that Jade, who is destined to become the Witch, makes it clear in her introduction that she is a firm advocate of the power of science, and thinks that things like magic are silly.

* Since magic is not real, Eridan uses science power for combat. Sollux was blinded in his fight against Eridan. In other words, Eridan blinded him [[ThomasDolby with science!]]

** Obsessed with two. Computer hacker. ''Binary.'' Duh. (I literally just realized this.)

* So UU hex code color of #929292 is a reference to uranium, right? Well what about Karkat's #626262 hex code color? Well element 26 is ''iron''. As in what makes your blood red.
** Actually, 62 is the atomic number of samarium, a volatile but durable silvery-grey metal used in various applications including permanent magnets and cancer treatment. But that works well too.
** Iron also matches Karkat's text and sign color, references the irons that the Sufferer was put in, and is the name of his color in the "coloUrs and mayhem" album.
* On a related note, Karkat's text colour is also the colour of cooked crabs.

* As of the writing of this entry, Nepeta's encounter with Gamzee ended with him closing in on her threateningly, and jumping to another scene. Although there was green blood on Gamzee's club, it is still unknown whether she's dead or alive. So would that make her a ... [[UsefulNotes/SchrodingersCat Schrödinger's Cat]][[{{CatGirl}} Girl]]?

* Karkat's handle on PesterChum is CarcinoGeneticist, or Cancer Geneticist. He accidentally messed up the game universe, saying "the disease I gave you". Karkat is a CarcinoGeneticist that gave the universe Cancer.

*** Not certain if my personal interpretation is correct, but I believe that any Doomed Timeline results in a Time player returning to fix it. Anyone can be the one who messes things up, but it will universally result in a Time player fixing it. Thus, Gamzee could not splinter the timeline indefinitely as there was no time player to stop him from altering the Alpha.

* During Hivebent, when Gamzee and Equius are talking to each other, Gamzee says "[=iF i CoUlD mAkE yOu SmIlE iT'd Be ThE bEsT fUcKiN mIrAcLe I eVeR dId PaRt Of.=]" After Gamzee snaps, he finally DOES make Equius smile... [[HarsherInHindsight by asphyxiating him]]. Shiver.
* From around Gamzee's first appearance: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003914 "Sometimes you just like to pick stuff up and watch the colors. It's so beautiful. Life is beautiful."]] {{Foreshadowing}}?
* Remember that Gamzee's religion predicts two evil clowns. Lord English goes Honk. Does this mean Lord English is one of the two? If so, who's the second one... oh dear...
** Lord English was born of Doc Scratch. Like Gamzee, he's bifurcated - Lord English is ''both'' of the mirthful messiahs.
*** This is even more so as we learn more of Lord English's past.
* When Gamzee gets ready to attack Nepeta, he's shown switching to his juggling clubs, which are described as "the worst pair of clubs in the universe" in the first Alterniabound flash. Despite the fact that he has a top-tier weapon visible in his syllabus. Why? He's decided on CherryTapping her to death.
** Made even worse when some fanartists take that term and make it...horrendously literal.
** [[FromBadToWorse Even worse]]: Gamzee could be so powerful that he could turn a JokeWeapon into something dangerously lethal.
** [[OverlyLongGag Even worse]]: Some speculate that Nepeta was committing [[SuicideByCop Suicide By Cop]], and that Gamzee chose this to [[CruelMercy keep her alive]] [[ColdBloodedTorture as long as]] [[ForTheEvulz possible]].

** With the recent update, it seems Aranea has been controlling Gamzee for unknown amount of time. Gamzee has been helping Cherubs and Leprechauns, and Aranea knows a lot about both species' romance and breeding habits. Where do you think she got the information from?

* Recall back when Terezi sent John to get mauled by his Denizen and we all thought she was a big evil bitch? Now, take into account the revelation that Terezi can see the outcomes of doomed timelines, as demonstrated by Vriska. Terezi ''deliberately facilitated the doomed timeline in order to aid the alpha. She was actually helping the whole time.''

* The song used in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006386 this animation]], [[{{AwesomeMusic/Homestuck}} apart from being awesome]], actually has in-story significance: as [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006678 a recent update]] reveals, the pre-Scratch versions of the troll Ancestors have managed to avoid [[RetGone fading away along with their doomed timeline]], lingering on to become key figures in the Alpha Session [[TitleDrop Even In Death.]]

* So all the trolls have [[HornedHumanoid horns]] that correspond to their Zodiac sign, right? So okay, some are pretty straightforward, like Aradia, Tavros and Gamzee, whose horns are based on their respective animals. Others, like Vriska, Kanaya, Eridan, and Feferi, have horns modeled after their symbol. Terezi, however, has these short, perfectly conical horns. What in Hussie's name does that have to do with her sign? Well, after seeing [[http://fav.me/d59okm2 this]] picture of Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}, it hit me - [[{{Homage}} their horns are exactly alike]], and both are {{Blind Weaponmaster}}s who believe in [[JusticeWillPrevail justice!]] Hussie, you magnificent son of a bitch!

* A likely unintentional example; ''Dualscar'''s sign is two jagged lines.
** No, that probably ''was'' intentional.

* Kanaya's NumerologicalMotif is 6. Her name is six letters long.
** This doesn't really count, though, as all of the Trolls have six-letter names, both first and last. Even Vriska Serket, who's NumerologicalMotif is 8.

* Her Imperial Condescension's aggressive girliness is deliberately done to annoy Lord English, as we all know how Caliborn feels about all things feminine. Possibly as the only form of rebellion she's capable of, possibly so that he'll pay as little attention to her as possible (thus allowing her to plot against him in relative peace), or probably both.

* We all know that trolls have four forms of love (matespiritship, kissmessitude, moirailliegance, and auspticism. But according to at least one theory, humans also have four forms of love: romantic love, friendship, affection, and charity. Suddenly you realize why the trolls are so (from our perspective, at least) screwed up. Their society has no concepts of friendship, of affection (that one's a bit more natural, since they don't have families the way we do), or of charity, so huge chunks of the interpersonal bonds humans work with are missing.

* I know this may be the wrong area to talk about this, but it needs to be addressed. Many fans know that the trolls follow a 6-6 naming rule. Who else has a similar name pattern? [[TrollingCreator Andrew.]]
* "There Once was a Man from Trolltucket" would be exactly as offensive to its native audience, but for entirely different reasons.

** Given that we've recently learned that Karkat, and probably the rest of the Trolls, ''can't sleep'', their dream-selves dying may have made them all insomniacs. And if that's the case, Tavros and Kanaya don't just have minimized exposure - they've also got more experience dealing with sleep deprivation. Doubles as FridgeHorror if you think about it too long. - Volouscheur

*** The funny thing is that in most works, they ''would'' be MarySue[=s=]. In ''Homestuck'', they're just characters.

* In the 1/24 updates, we learned (among other things) that all the sopor slime is gone. Among other things, sopor slime helps to quiet the trolls' violent instincts. Little wonder that Eridan and Gamzee quickly went off the deep end with nothing to hold them in check.
* Why do God Tier trolls (from what we've seen of them anyways) get wings, while the human's God Tier don't? Because trolls are born as ''larva''. Like ''caterpillars''. When they finally achieve God Tier, the trolls are metamorphosing into butterflies!

* If you think about it, TheReveal that the trolls were in a post-scratch session was possibly foreshadowed (or perhaps there have been coincidences?). Remember in [s] Past Karkat: Wake Up we only got to see the grub versions of "our" trolls, but not the ancestors? Also remember how ectobiology works; by pinpointing someone in time and creating a paradox clone of them. If the trolls had been made with their ancestors' DNA, Karkat would know what the "extra twelve useless wrigglers" were for since the machine had pinpointed at them. Instead, the Ancestor grubs were probably made with a mixture of our trolls' DNA, thus explaining Karkat's belief that the "extra" grubs were "useless".

** Not to mention Feferi would have been the Empress.
*** That is, if she could defeat Condy.
*** No, Condesce is Meenah, and she refused to participate in the struggle at all, not to mention lived later than Feferi.

* The update "[S] Wake." has several [[CallBack Call Backs]] going on with it:

** We don't actually ''see'' it happening, but Vriska has apparently been playing her FLARP games for years, killing her peers to keep her lusus fed. Eridan/Feferi have been doing more or less the same, though with their peers' lusus instead since a troll wouldn't even make a nibble for Feferi's lusus.

* Sburb essentially wipes out your race when played. Emissaries from the horrorterrors, like Feferi's lusus (and the vast glub), are probably a common feature of the game for sessions where the host species has left their home planet.
* Before the ancestors in the trolls' session initiated the scratch, "our" trolls were in the role of the ancestors (and vice versa). In the Pre-scratch timeline, troll society was peaceful. Note that with the role reversals, at this time, Feferi, who in the present timeline wants to abolish the blood caste system and help the weak, would have been empress.
** Which of course fits with the fact that every troll in Post-scratch Alternia now dresses in similar clothes to Meenah.
** This also means Earth's clowns are indeed based on Gamzee; Pre-Scratch!Gamzee.
** Pre-Scratch!Karkat, the Signless of Beforus, was successful not only because Karkat isn't passive-aggressive like Post-Scratch!Signless was, but also because he would have received [[PalsWithJesus help from Pre-Scratch!Feferi]].

* All of the Trolls' similarities to humans -- from the existence of Troll Will Smith to the fact that they [[AliensSpeakingEnglish speak English]] -- could be explained by the fact that the Trolls created Earth's universe, and therefore humans.
** Vriska suggests that Karkat would make a better human than a troll, and humans have the same freakish bright red blood. Makes sense, considering he was the trolls' leader, and the one who would have personally gotten the ultimate prize if they hadn't been interrupted. As well as the one who supposedly gave the B1 universe cancer.
** Also, why does the "real" world operate under the bizarre rules of captchalogues and strife syllabi? Because the "real" world is the creation of a game and follows game logic.

* The troll world is shown to be a BizarroUniverse in many aspects such as the role of angels, vampires, etc. Instead of teenage sex being highly frowned upon, it's required upon pain of death.
** Not only that, but unlike with humans where homosexuality is still highly controversial, it's apparently so inconsequential in troll society that ''it doesn't even warrant its own word.''
** Their version of Christianity, instead of spreading into a dominant religion, dwindled until it was practically forgotten.
* From a biological viewpoint the violent nature of troll-kind makes perfect sense as a means of natural selection to prune out the mutations arising from their constant inbreeding. However Doc Scratch said that he was responsible for the trolls violent nature. Does that mean Scratch is somehow responsible for the Mother Grub method of breeding? [[{{Squick}} What a creep.]]
** This may also explain the troll's vestigial genders.
*** Everything involving lusii was imported by Doc Scratch
*** ...Except all of the Troll biology and the Lusii exist in the Pre-Scratch Troll Universe, where Doc Scratch never acted. So, nope for all of this.

* It's mentioned near the beginning of the troll intermission that troll culture places an unusual emphasis on architectural design proficiency at a very young age (letting the trolls that have just recently survived their trials design their own homes), but that no one seemed to really know why that is. Well, in light of the information from Doc Scratch regarding the trolls ancestor's failed Sgrub game, this makes sense. That was an effect of Scratch's influence in his efforts to better prepare the trolls for Sgrub, much like they became incredibly violent and competitive under his influence.

* Aradia's role in SGRUB is Maid. In her society she should be a person who carries "sex toys". She's doing it [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005482 right]].
* Since being prototyped with Bec, [[BigBad Big Bad]] Jack Noir has gained decidedly lupine features. What [[StealthPun colour]] is Aradia's god-hood?

* Sollux's symbol is gemini, which is a (♊) symbol. Gemini is also the latin word for twins. Sollux wears a pair of shades, and if you will recall, the only other troll who also wears shades is Terezi. Coincidence?
** also after a recent event involving Eridan, Sollux became blind, just like Terezi.
** Wait, Equius wears shades too...
** Sollux Captor. Switch the S and P. Pollux Castor. Twins.
*** Not just ''any'' twins, but the specific pair of twins that ''became'' the constellation Gemini in Greek mythology. It's also another tie-in to Nicholas Cage ("Castor Troy" in Face/Off).
** Obsessed with two. Computer hacker. ''Binary.'' Duh.
* Sollux loses the duel between himself and Eridan. He mentions that he underestimated Eridan, which is what one would expect he would say whether he won or not. But consider that he's the resident "computer guy". If he overpowers Eridan by too much, the computers behind Eridan get destroyed. Sollux is powerful enough to send the asteroid they're standing on at faster than light speed - of course he would have to hold back to some extent.
* When Sollux was blinded and lost his psychic powers and his bifurcation motif, the blood from his mouth [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005324 split the Gemini symbol on his shirt into half]]. The symbolism is apparent.
* The Tumor is associated with black and white, and also red and blue. What ''else'' is associated with red, blue, black and white? Sollux.
** [[MeaningfulName It's right there in the trolltag, even]].
*** Where?
*** twinArmageddons
** Also, "Sol" and "lux" mean sun and light in Latin.

* Karkat, despite his constant rage, has never killed, maimed or severely injured any of his friends. He listens to their problems (despite being an asshole about it) and gives them advice. He also tries (and fails) to keep his team from killing each other. He also stops a psycho clown mass-murderer with kindness. He's also never had a kismesis, and when he thinks he finally has found one in John, he ends up becoming friends with John. By troll standards, he's a saint ...or a MessianicArchetype.
* When Karkat was hit by the bucket, he let out a Vast Expletive.

* Karkat's handle on PesterChum is CarcinoGeneticist, or Cancer Geneticist. He accidentally messed up the game universe, saying "the disease I gave you". Karkat is a CarcinoGeneticist that gave the universe Cancer.

** Lets take it a step farther, as of the act 6 intermission 1 we know Karkat meets Dave and Rose, so he also doomed roses ''and'' Daves guardians.
*** Another step forward, It's also implied that he will be meeting John and Jade in the Alpha session with the Alpha Kids all four of them ummm. It's not looking so good them either.

* To any human viewer, Bec Noir's red hand means he's just killed someone. To Karkat, [[IronicEcho it's reminiscent of his alliance with SGRUB!Jack Noir]], who cut his palm to show Karkat that he wasn't the only one in paradox space to have "candy-red" blood.
** Early in the story the trolls mention that angels are a kind of demon with wings...
*** Which makes Eridan believe the angels he saw regard Bec Noir as their king.

* Neophyte Redglare took Marquise Spinneret Mindfang's eye and arm using Pyralspite, her dragon. Terezi took Vriska's eye and arm using [[color:#2ED73A:D]][[color:white:o]][[color:#2ED73A:c Scratch]], [[color:#2ED73A:Lord English]]'s [[TheDragon Dragon]].

* So all the trolls have [[HornedHumanoid horns]] that correspond to their Zodiac sign, right? So okay, some are pretty straightforward, like Aradia, Tavros and Gamzee, whose horns are based on their respective animals. Others, like Vriska, Kanaya, Eridan, and Feferi, have horns modeled after their symbol. Terezi, however, has these short, perfectly conical horns. What in Hussie's name does that have to do with her sign? Look at this[[http://fav.me/d59okm2 this]] picture of Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}. [[{{Homage}} their horns are exactly alike]], and both are {{Blind Weaponmaster}}s who believe in [[JusticeWillPrevail justice!]] Hussie, you magnificent son of a bitch!

* Vriska's already killed both Tavros and John, both of whom were {{Love Interest}}s of hers. That makes her a [[StealthPun Black Widow!]]
** [[ItMakesSenseInContext She has officially]] [[ScrewYourself entered into a Kismesitude with herself]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil against her will]], [[DespairEventHorizon driving herself to]] [[DrivenToSuicide double-suicide]].
*** A Mary Sue [[UnintentionalUnsympatheticVillain tries to be sympathetic]] about being a rapist, or just [[RapeAsDrama happens to get raped]] in a situation that makes no sense. Of course a Parody Sue would [[UpToEleven rape herself]] and [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools still be a sympathetic character]].
* Why does Vriska think she could hook up with Tavros even though they are basically opposites? Because Vriska is the Troll equivalent of a Sociopath, and Tavros is the Troll equivalent of someone with Asperger's Syndrome. A common misconception is that these two disorders are just two different names for the same thing, and this misconception is most common among Sociopaths, and least common among those with Asperger's Syndrome.
* When Tavros charged at Vriska, she stopped him with her arachnidsGrip.
** Then she proceeds to take his lance away from him, stab and kill him, and throw him off a ledge.
*** adiosToreador.
* The apparent dissonance between Vriska being embarrassed about killing Tavros and dismissive of the trolls she killed to feed her Lusus make more sense when you think about it for a bit. The trolls she killed for her Lusus were so that her Lusus wouldn't eat ''her'', so she saw it as business. Tavros' murder, however, was personal, even more so than Aradia's, which was specifically a revenge strike. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005367 She even says as much]].
* According to Aranea, the cobalt-blood PsychicPowers are primarily about [[TheEmpath empathy]], and the "maniupl8ion" is just a byproduct of that. She describes how strange and awkward it is to constantly feel what everyone around you is feeling about you, especially negative emotions, and how [[UnhappyMedium isolated]] it made her feel. Now, consider: Aranea comes from pre-Scratch Alternia, which operates under a much less oppressive/insane system than the totalitarian TeenageWasteland of post-Scratch Alternia, and likely had far more face-to-face interactions among young trolls. Vriska, then, is an empath, but one who has rarely interacted with anyone at close enough range to feel their emotions, instead communicating mostly through chats and only using her powers to [[KickTheDog be a jackass]] to people far away from her. And then the game begins, and all of a sudden she's actually face-to-face with everyone... and feeling exactly how much they hate her guts. Is it any wonder, then, that she's less nasty in person than on Trollian?
** Tavros seems to suppress his emotions, especially his negative ones. Vriska seems to act like an asshole most to Tavros, especially in person. Could Tavros' emotional problems have inadvertently played a role in his paralysis and death?
** It goes MUCH deeper than that. Vriska was an empath on a planet full of bloodthirsty trolls. No, worse: she's an empath who was forced to kill other kids her own age to survive. She would have felt everything they did as they died: their fear, their rage, their grief, their hatred. It's no wonder she grew up to be such a sociopath; she's literally had to force herself to not care about how other people fear to avoid going insane.

* This might sound a bit goofy for FridgeHorror, but given that part of Gamzee's mental breakdown is connected to his watching the video for "Miracles" by Insane Clown Posse after Dave sent it to him—imagine what would have happened if Dave had sent him [[http://www.hulu.com/watch/143249 the Saturday Night Live parody instead.]]
* What exactly is Gamzee peddling in [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006727 this flash?]] The blood of the trolls who died before they left their session. Advertised as magic motherfucking elixirs.
** And what each potion is said to do is somehow related to that troll's personality, such as the green potion (Nepeta's blood) making you fall in love.
** Also, when you choose the 'bronze elixir', Gamzee says that "one sip of this potion will cause you to lose the use of your legs. HOWEVER, you will become an EXCELLENT kisser." We can remember when [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005886 he blatantly hit on Tavros]], then later [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005927 when Gamzee is talking to past Dave]] you see Tavros' decapitated head in the background and his blood on Gamzee's lips. Not to mention he says that he likes Dave would like to cut off his head and "ADD A LITTLE STRAWBERRY JAM TO THIS PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICH I'M MAKING BETWEEN MY MOTHER FUCKING LIPS."
*** Worth noting that Gamzee/Tavros is/was a relatively common ship in the fandom with the nickname "peanut butter and jelly", which the last of these points, at least, is a reference to.
* Gamzee quite literally [[StuffedIntoTheFridge stuffed Vriska and Tavros in the fridge]] until they became relevant again.
* Gamzee was (almost) always blurry when he engaged Hero Mode. Why? Because Gamzee wasn't "all the way there", mentally. Notice how his appearance got sharper and sharper as time went on? YouCanPanicNow.
* The [=SBaHJ=] cloud on [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=025.jpg this panel]] is labeled "cloun", and the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005314 panel referencing that strip]] has [[MonsterClown Gamzee]] in that cloud.
* Clubs Deuce is a goofy-seeming fellow perfectly happy to blow people up. Gamzee, a goofy fellow turned slasher villain, wields the Deuce Clubs
* Jane: Proceed reveals the very much alive Gamzee, who's sporting a God-tier outfit. Since he has scratches on his face and isn't dead, this clearly is the Alpha Timeline Gamzee. Since Gamzee's godtier, it explains his strength.
* The fact that not ''once'' has a dreambubble Gamzee been seen could mean many things. But the most worrisome is the possibility that Gamzee has ''never'' died. '''Ever.''' We've never seen a dreambubble Gamzee because there isn't one, because out of all the alternate timelines not a single iteration of Gamzee Makara has died.
** Either that or all his dead selves are busy with something. At the same time. Not sure which possibility is worse.
** He has been seen [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007327 here]] in the Dream Bubble where both sets of trolls finally meet. The peculiar thing is, while there many alternate, dead, dream, and god tier selves of the trolls, there's only ''one'' Gamzee, in god tier clothes. Seems suspicious...
*** There was also only one Vriska and Meenah present, so it's likely his alternate selves are just off doing something.
*** And even then, that Gamzee has yellow eyes, meaning he's alive, meaning we ''still'' haven't seen any proof of any Gamzee dying at any point in time.
*** Roxy mentions that death is an excellent trick to sober oneself up. Now that Gamzee (who is revealed to be fake-god tier) has more bullet holes than he can count...
*** Gamzee is only confirmed to be wearing a fake-god tier costume, and likely this can be attributed to the same reason he fails to die from what ought to be rather fatal: clown antics.
* Gamzee exhibits an apparent resistance to death, despite not being god tier (so far as we can tell). Meaning he's a crazy, murderous clown (who worships a perpetually scowly individual with a stunted childhood development) that wears purple and has a nigh unbreakable immunity to being killed for no adequately explained reason. [[ComicBook/TheJoker Remind you of anyone?]] And what so happens to be Gamzee's Strife Specubus?
* Ever since Gamzee was introduced, his speech pattern has been an occasionally annoying mix of upper and lowercase letters. This speech pattern? The effects of the sopor slime pie literally meshing his split personalities together and giving him a semblance of sanity.
** A miracle is not a good thing if you're the one getting beaten by it.
** [[IncrediblyLamePun Gamzee's off his meds.]] Tasteless yes, but strangely accurate.
** When Karkat first expresses his distaste for Gamzee's typing style, he responds by typing in all lowercase, but eventually says that it doesn't feel natural and that it's better to do "wHaT fEeLs [=RiGhT aT wHeRe YoUr HeArT's=] Up In". More possible foreshadowing?
** Gamzee is a Capricorn. As in "capricious". His text alternates because he keeps changing his mind.
* Ready for some FridgeLogic AND [[FridgeHorror Horror]] at the same time? [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005261 the 1/26/11]] update implies that AxCrazy Gamzee is using the Trollian viewports to know where the others will be in the future to intercept and kill them. FridgeLogic dictates that any time Gamzee uses this to kill someone, he's changing the future and creating a doomed timeline; therefore, we already know that any attempt of his to take advantage of this will end in failure. The FridgeHorror? It also means that there are hundreds of alternate timelines out there where Gamzee has killed someone/''everyone'' and there was nothing his victims could do to escape him. Have fun with that thought.
** No, it would not be possible for him to just create doomed timelines like that. If he was going to attack any of the Trolls, the Trollian viewports would show it happening, because it would not be possible for him to go against it. Remember, any attempt to change or analyze the future has already happened, just like in pretty much every other instance of weird time shit in the story.
*** Don't you remember when [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004994 Terezi tried to get Dave to send himself to God Tier?]] The Dave sleeping on the Quest Bed, purely by the fact that he had chosen to travel to the future rather than wait, was from an alternate (doomed) timeline. So let's say Gamzee uses his Trollian viewport and sees Terezi walking down some stairs 5 minutes in the future right before having a conversation with Karkat, so he makes sure he's at that staircase 5 minutes in the future and kills her. He's just created a doomed timeline, because now her conversation with Karkat never happens and the future has been changed. In the "alpha" timeline, because he could see Terezi talking with Karkat, something, anything, will happen to prevent Gamzee from successfully intercepting and killing her beforehand. The only time Gamzee will kill someone is because it's been "preordained", not because he uses the viewports to spy on them.
*** Although now this is very unlikely to happen, if he were to see Terezi have the conversation with Karkat, and wait until she's finished her conversation, and then kill her. If he hasn't seen what happens next, or if he saw himself killing her, then the timeline is not necessarily doomed.
*** No, that is simply not possible by the way time travel works in Homestuck. Gamzee, or anyone else looking at Trollian, do not have the ability to change the future. Dave and Aradia do, but even they can only "change" the future in ways that were supposed to happen anyway. The timeline is set in ways that are unshakable by the players. Compare looking at the Trollian viewports to reading the memos: no matter what the Trolls think about the memos, they are inevitably going to write exactly what they and others have seen written, because it has all already happened. They do not have the ability or the option to change what they have already and are going to write. Looking at future memos and resolving to not write them is not going to create doomed timelines, because events have been conspired to ensure the timeline goes exactly the way it is supposed to with no unnecessary interruptions. Also compare it to the frog cloning minigame of Sburb - despite the weird time travel shit involved, it is impossible for Kanaya or Jade to create paradoxes.
*** Remember when Terezi created a doomed timeline by convincing John to jump ahead and fight his Denizen? Or the Doomed timeline in which Terzi does not kill Vriska? It's possible for any of them to create doomed timelines the predestination only means that the Alpha timeline always happens there are any number of alternate timelines... and in some of those Gamzee might have killed more people. Even Rose talks about the notion of not following through with her first conversation with Kanaya (which wasn't her anyway but this was hypothetical) and creating a Doomed timeline.
*** Too bad Gamzee still has never died even in a doomed timeline.
*** Any Doomed Timeline likely results in a Time player returning to fix it. Anyone can be the one who messes things up, but it will universally result in a Time player fixing it. Thus, Gamzee could not splinter the timeline indefinitely as there was no time player to stop him from altering the Alpha.
*** Doomed timelines can happen without Time players, but they have [[LawOfConservationOfDetail no impact on the Alpha timeline]].
*** What was that don't do it / don't ''not'' do it quote from ''{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}}'' again?
---->'''Farnsworth:''' ...You mustn't interfere with the past! Don't do anything that affects anything, unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case, for the love of God, ''don't not do it!''
* In Seek the Highb100d, you can get behind the monitor as Equius, it's behind the same room you started in... And then you find Gamzee soon after, meaning that Gamzee may have been listening, [[RunningGag neigh]] , ''watching you'' '''''the whole time''''

*** This is even more so as we learn more of Lord English's past.

** [[OverlyLongGag Even worse]]: Some speculate that Nepeta was committing [[SuicideByCop Suicide By Cop]], and that Gamzee chose this to [[CruelMercy keep her alive]] [[ColdBloodedTorture as long as]] [[ForTheEvulz possible]].

* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003914 Colors]] Imagine now, he is crazy and talking about blood. Enjoying the colors. All of them.

* Eridan is descibed as being a bit of a tool, correct? Usually, his tool-ness shows when desperately talking or acting for a redrom or blackrom with one of the other eleven trolls or either one of the two female kids. Literally, he is acting like a tool because he is THINKING with ONLY [[ICallHimMisterHappy HIS TOOL!]] It gets better when you realize his weapon of choice in Alternia and SGRUB is his phallic laser rifle, or his white magic wand, which trades up style for simplicity. Best of all, Undead!Kanaya's SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in slaying her murderer Eridan becomes a series of [[VisualPun Visual Puns]] when you see her snap in half Eridan's wand, chainsaw his torso area, and remember her first-strike GroinAttack against Sober!Gamzee.

* Since magic is not real, Eridan uses science power for combat. Sollux was blinded in his fight against Eridan. In other words, Eridan blinded him [[ThomasDolby with science!]]

* Though it hasn't been revealed if Neophyte Redglare was blind or not, why would someone of a Nocturnal race need to wear sunglasses if she wasn't blind? Her lusus' eyes are as bright as the sun, That's why!
** Justice is blind.
*** Holy crap. The Goddess of Justice is always depicted with a blindfold...''it all makes sense!''