Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 150 (click to see context) from:
* HypocriticalHumor: During the Cell Block Tango, the first singer opens with, "You know how people have these [[BerserkButton little habits that really get you down]]?" She shot her husband because he wouldn't stop poppin' gum. When we see her in the real world, she can't stop compulsively lighting matches.
to:
* HypocriticalHumor: HypocriticalHumor:
** During the Cell Block Tango, the first singer opens with, "You know how people have these [[BerserkButton little habits that really get you down]]?" She shot her husband because he wouldn't stop poppin' gum. When we see her in the real world, she can't stop compulsively lighting matches.
** The deleted song "Class" is a duet between Velma and Mama Morton wherein they complain about the state of the world and long for the [[GoodOldWays politeness and formality]] of the past, framing everyone in society but themselves as "pigs and whores." They sing the number while half-undressed, smoking heavily, swearing like sailors, and generally acting as unclassy as possible--to say nothing of the fact that one of them is a murderess and the other a DirtyCop who takes bribes from her inmates.
** During the Cell Block Tango, the first singer opens with, "You know how people have these [[BerserkButton little habits that really get you down]]?" She shot her husband because he wouldn't stop poppin' gum. When we see her in the real world, she can't stop compulsively lighting matches.
** The deleted song "Class" is a duet between Velma and Mama Morton wherein they complain about the state of the world and long for the [[GoodOldWays politeness and formality]] of the past, framing everyone in society but themselves as "pigs and whores." They sing the number while half-undressed, smoking heavily, swearing like sailors, and generally acting as unclassy as possible--to say nothing of the fact that one of them is a murderess and the other a DirtyCop who takes bribes from her inmates.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AlternateShowInterpretation: Unlike the [[Theatre/{{Chicago}} eponymous theatre play]], the film sets all but two of the musical numbers as part of Roxie's imagination.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** Hinted of DidTheyOrDidntThey as Mama's shirt is unbuttoned revealing her bra as she is letting Velma listen to Roxie's case on the radio.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
TRS
has turned Gainaxing into a definition only page. Removing examples.
has turned Gainaxing into a definition only page. Removing examples.Deleted line(s) 138,139 (click to see context) :
* {{Gainaxing}}: Matron Mama Morton does this at one point in "When You're Good To Mama". It's...[[{{Fanservice}} nice]], and appropriately timed, too!
-->"You put in for Mama, she'll put ''[[LampshadedDoubleEntendre out]]'' for you!"
-->"You put in for Mama, she'll put ''[[LampshadedDoubleEntendre out]]'' for you!"
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removing examples per this thread.
.Changed line(s) 118,121 (click to see context) from:
* DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale:
** It's obvious that Amos is being emotionally abused and manipulated by Roxie all through the movie, even when they don't spend a lot of time together. The cops don't comment on it and focus on Roxie's angry confession.
** After you watch "Cell Block Tango", ask yourself if they really could have gotten away with [[PlayedForLaughs playing the song for laughs]] if it had been a group of '''male''' inmates gleefully singing about murdering their wives and girlfriends. Though it's worth remembering that the PlayedForLaughs element, particularly for this song, is strictly BlackComedy, and it's a popular number to perform at events like Broadway Miscast where performers gender-flip various show numbers. Also worth noting that it take place in 1927, when women had significantly less power than men, and the song is about women simply being pushed too far (although obviously murder is a bit much, even for engaging in systematic sexism).
** Also, considering these are all ''meant'' to be utterly despicable people (the sole exception being the Hunyak), it's not so much DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale as it is CrapsackWorld. Theoretically, you could gender-flip the entire ''musical'' and have the exact same reactions since any decent person would want all the murderesses to get what they deserve.
** It's obvious that Amos is being emotionally abused and manipulated by Roxie all through the movie, even when they don't spend a lot of time together. The cops don't comment on it and focus on Roxie's angry confession.
** After you watch "Cell Block Tango", ask yourself if they really could have gotten away with [[PlayedForLaughs playing the song for laughs]] if it had been a group of '''male''' inmates gleefully singing about murdering their wives and girlfriends. Though it's worth remembering that the PlayedForLaughs element, particularly for this song, is strictly BlackComedy, and it's a popular number to perform at events like Broadway Miscast where performers gender-flip various show numbers. Also worth noting that it take place in 1927, when women had significantly less power than men, and the song is about women simply being pushed too far (although obviously murder is a bit much, even for engaging in systematic sexism).
** Also, considering these are all ''meant'' to be utterly despicable people (the sole exception being the Hunyak), it's not so much DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale as it is CrapsackWorld. Theoretically, you could gender-flip the entire ''musical'' and have the exact same reactions since any decent person would want all the murderesses to get what they deserve.
to:
* DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale:
**DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale: It's obvious that Amos is being emotionally abused and manipulated by Roxie all through the movie, even when they don't spend a lot of time together. The cops don't comment on it and focus on Roxie's angry confession.
** After you watch "Cell Block Tango", ask yourself if they really could have gotten away with [[PlayedForLaughs playing the song for laughs]] if it had been a group of '''male''' inmates gleefully singing about murdering their wives and girlfriends. Though it's worth remembering that the PlayedForLaughs element, particularly for this song, is strictly BlackComedy, and it's a popular number to perform at events like Broadway Miscast where performers gender-flip various show numbers. Also worth noting that it take place in 1927, when women had significantly less power than men, and the song is about women simply being pushed too far (although obviously murder is a bit much, even for engaging in systematic sexism).
** Also, considering these are all ''meant'' to be utterly despicable people (the sole exception being the Hunyak), it's not so much DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale as it is CrapsackWorld. Theoretically, you could gender-flip the entire ''musical'' and have the exact same reactions since any decent person would want all the murderesses to get what they deserve.confession.
**
** After you watch "Cell Block Tango", ask yourself if they really could have gotten away with [[PlayedForLaughs playing the song for laughs]] if it had been a group of '''male''' inmates gleefully singing about murdering their wives and girlfriends. Though it's worth remembering that the PlayedForLaughs element, particularly for this song, is strictly BlackComedy, and it's a popular number to perform at events like Broadway Miscast where performers gender-flip various show numbers. Also worth noting that it take place in 1927, when women had significantly less power than men, and the song is about women simply being pushed too far (although obviously murder is a bit much, even for engaging in systematic sexism).
** Also, considering these are all ''meant'' to be utterly despicable people (the sole exception being the Hunyak), it's not so much DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale as it is CrapsackWorld. Theoretically, you could gender-flip the entire ''musical'' and have the exact same reactions since any decent person would want all the murderesses to get what they deserve.
Changed line(s) 127 (click to see context) from:
* DumbBlonde: Roxie isn't the brightest bulb.
to:
%% * DumbBlonde: Roxie isn't the brightest bulb.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 1,2 (click to see context) from:
[[quoteright:300:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/chicago_2002_poster.jpg]]
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removing natter. Adding context.
Deleted line(s) 59 (click to see context) :
** [[GratuitousForeignLanguage The actress' pronunciation, however, is so bad that even Hungarian speakers will have trouble understanding what is she saying.]]
Changed line(s) 290 (click to see context) from:
* WomanScorned: All of the murderesses.
to:
* WomanScorned: All of the murderesses.murderesses commited their crime over cheating with their loved ones.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Deleted line(s) 88 (click to see context) :
%%Administrivia/ZeroContextExample * CourtroomAntic: All of Billy Flynn's role. Lampshaded with "Razzle Dazzle".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Renamed some tropes.
Changed line(s) 68 (click to see context) from:
* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Flynn and Roxie both fire off a ReasonYouSuckSpeech to each other toward the end of the second act. Flynn calls Roxie out on being a dumb, common criminal who let her (temporary) fame get to her head and needs to wise up before she gets herself hanged, and Roxie retorts that he's just a sleazy lawyer who's OnlyInItForTheMoney. They are both right.
to:
* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Flynn and Roxie both fire off a ReasonYouSuckSpeech TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to each other toward the end of the second act. Flynn calls Roxie out on being a dumb, common criminal who let her (temporary) fame get to her head and needs to wise up before she gets herself hanged, and Roxie retorts that he's just a sleazy lawyer who's OnlyInItForTheMoney. They are both right.
Changed line(s) 125 (click to see context) from:
* DownerEnding: No-one in the audience gets what they want. Anyone supporting Roxie or Velma will be disappointed that they stay small-time. Anyone wanting them sent down, will be sad they got off. Amos is still left with nothing apart from his regular mechanic job and a large debt to Flynn, and the only inmate who was innocent is the one who dies. The two most unsympathetic characters, Mama and Billy, get away scot-free. Billy Flynn's double-dealing destroys the career of the only non-corrupt ADA in the city.
to:
* DownerEnding: No-one in the audience gets what they want. Anyone supporting Roxie or Velma will be disappointed that they stay small-time. Anyone wanting them sent down, down will be sad they got off. Amos is still left with nothing apart from his regular mechanic job and a large debt to Flynn, and the only inmate who was innocent is the one who dies. The two most unsympathetic characters, Mama and Billy, get away scot-free. Billy Flynn's double-dealing destroys the career of the only non-corrupt ADA in the city.
Changed line(s) 141 (click to see context) from:
* FreudianExcuse: {{Discussed}} in [[UnreliableNarrator Roxie]]'s song. "''I'm a star!'' And the audience loves me. And I love them. And they love me for loving them, and I love them for loving me. And we love ''each other''. And that's because none of us got enough love in our childhood. And that's showbiz... kid."
to:
* FreudianExcuse: {{Discussed}} {{Discussed|Trope}} in [[UnreliableNarrator Roxie]]'s song. "''I'm a star!'' And the audience loves me. And I love them. And they love me for loving them, and I love them for loving me. And we love ''each other''. And that's because none of us got enough love in our childhood. And that's showbiz... kid."
Changed line(s) 206 (click to see context) from:
* MiscarriageOfJustice: [[spoiler: Hunyak, the only innocent inmate, loses her last appeal and is hanged]].
to:
* MiscarriageOfJustice: [[spoiler: Hunyak, the only innocent inmate, loses her last appeal and is hanged]].hanged.]]
Changed line(s) 245 (click to see context) from:
* ReasonYouSuckSpeech: Flynn and Roxie both fire off one to each other toward the end of the second act. Flynn calls Roxie out on being a dumb, common criminal who let her (temporary) fame get to her head and needs to wise up before she gets herself hanged, and Roxie retorts that he's just a sleazy lawyer who's OnlyInItForTheMoney. BothSidesHaveAPoint.
to:
* ReasonYouSuckSpeech: TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Flynn and Roxie both fire off one to each other toward the end of the second act. Flynn calls Roxie out on being a dumb, common criminal who let her (temporary) fame get to her head and needs to wise up before she gets herself hanged, and Roxie retorts that he's just a sleazy lawyer who's OnlyInItForTheMoney. BothSidesHaveAPoint.
Changed line(s) 282 (click to see context) from:
* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: Of [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beulah_Annan Beulah Annan]].
to:
* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: Of [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beulah_Annan Beulah Annan]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 28 (click to see context) from:
* AlliterativeName: Matron “Mama” Morton, the supervisor of Murderess Row.
to:
* AlliterativeName: Matron “Mama” Morton, the supervisor Mistress of Murderess Row.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Bastard Boyfriend is no longer a trope
Changed line(s) 36 (click to see context) from:
** Roxie killed a man for lying about having connections and [[BastardBoyfriend knocking her halfway across the room]].
to:
** Roxie killed a man for lying about having connections and [[BastardBoyfriend [[DomesticAbuser knocking her halfway across the room]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
-->'''Roxie:''' He made love to me like he was fixing a carburetor or something.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 165,166 (click to see context) from:
--->"And then he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ''[[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill ten times]]''."
--->"I was in such a state of shock, I completely blacked out. I can't remember a thing. It wasn't until later, that I was washing the blood off my hands, that I even knew they were dead."
--->"I was in such a state of shock, I completely blacked out. I can't remember a thing. It wasn't until later, that I was washing the blood off my hands, that I even knew they were dead."
to:
--->"And then he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ''[[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill ten times]]''."
--->"I"\\
"I was in such a state of shock, I completely blacked out. I can't remember a thing. It wasn't until later, that I was washing the blood off my hands, that I even knew they were dead."
--->"I
"I was in such a state of shock, I completely blacked out. I can't remember a thing. It wasn't until later, that I was washing the blood off my hands, that I even knew they were dead."
Added DiffLines:
* LousyLoversAreLosers: Kind-hearted but [[ExtremeDoormat painfully meek]] Amos Hart is described as a "[[SexinessScore zero]]" in the bed department by his wife Roxie. Their marriage soon turns into a SexlessMarriage, with her constantly cheating on him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 106 (click to see context) from:
** Inverted with June: Her homicide (self-defense, according to her) was spurred by her husband accusing ''her'' of cheating.
to:
** Inverted with June: Her homicide (self-defense, according to her) was spurred by her husband accusing ''her'' of cheating.CheatingWithTheMilkman.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Uneducated comment
Changed line(s) 122 (click to see context) from:
** After you watch "Cell Block Tango", ask yourself if they really could have gotten away with [[PlayedForLaughs playing the song for laughs]] if it had been a group of '''male''' inmates gleefully singing about murdering their wives and girlfriends. Though it's worth remembering that the PlayedForLaughs element, particularly for this song, is strictly BlackComedy, and it's a popular number to perform at events like Broadway Miscast where performers gender-flip various show numbers.
to:
** After you watch "Cell Block Tango", ask yourself if they really could have gotten away with [[PlayedForLaughs playing the song for laughs]] if it had been a group of '''male''' inmates gleefully singing about murdering their wives and girlfriends. Though it's worth remembering that the PlayedForLaughs element, particularly for this song, is strictly BlackComedy, and it's a popular number to perform at events like Broadway Miscast where performers gender-flip various show numbers. Also worth noting that it take place in 1927, when women had significantly less power than men, and the song is about women simply being pushed too far (although obviously murder is a bit much, even for engaging in systematic sexism).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* RewatchBonus: Billy's tap-dance becomes a lot more interesting when you realize [[spoiler:he never actually lies during it. He just implies very strongly, and lets people draw their own conclusions. In fact, when you realize his description of the culprit applies to himself, it's almost a SarcasticConfession.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
** The duet "Class" from a deleted scene is a murderess and a corrupt prison officer sitting in jail, smoking and complaining about how nobody has any class anymore. They're also swearing liberally, and Mama has her sizable chest rather, uh, exposed, along with Velma's leg. In short, they're [[{{Hypocrite}} not acting classily]] for ''today'', much less the 20s.
Changed line(s) 176 (click to see context) from:
** The victim is a married man with kids in a relationship with a married woman, stringing her along by pretending to have connections, and then abruptly dumps (and hits) her when he's bored of her.
to:
** The Roxie's victim is a married man with kids in a relationship with a married woman, stringing her along by pretending to have connections, and then abruptly dumps (and hits) her when he's bored of her.
Changed line(s) 178 (click to see context) from:
** The assistant D.A. seems to push the death penalty for ''everyone'', gets the innocent Hunyak hanged, and drops all charges on Velma Kelly, murderer of two, in exchange for testimony against Roxie Hart, murderer of one.
to:
** The assistant D.A. seems to push the death penalty for ''everyone'', gets the innocent Hunyak hanged, and drops all charges on Velma Kelly, murderer of two, in exchange for testimony against Roxie Hart, murderer of one.one, just because the publicity's better.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 270 (click to see context) from:
* TooDumbToLive: "Come on, doll, you going to believe what you see or what I tell you?!" Not the best thing to say to your incredibly enraged heiress wife, who just caught you in your shared apartment in bed with ''two'' other women and is holding a gun to your head.
to:
* TooDumbToLive: "Come on, doll, you going to believe what you see or what I tell you?!" Not the best thing to say to your incredibly enraged heiress wife, girlfriend/wife, who just caught you in your shared apartment in bed with ''two'' other women and is holding currently aiming a gun to your head.at you.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* TheChessmaster: Flynn turns out to be a man of his word, as he does get Roxie ''and'' Velma off for murder. Knowing that Velma's celebrity has faded for Roxie's, he exploits this by secretly creating fraudulent evidence to get Velma off, and uses the fraudulent evidence to instill even more doubt into the jury for Roxie's trial.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
*** Though to be fair to Velma, there is a decent argument that she ''was'' in a state of shock, and a manslaughter argument could be easily made. But most scenes surrounding Velma make it explicit that she was not.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 3,5 (click to see context) from:
->''"And that's show biz ... kid."''
-->--'''Roxie Hart'''
-->--'''Roxie Hart'''
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* TwentiesBobHaircut: It's the Roaring Twenties after all. A lot of women sport this hair style, most prominently Velma and Roxie.
Deleted line(s) 269 (click to see context) :
* TwentiesBobHaircut: It's the Roaring Twenties after all. A lot of women sport this hair style, most prominently Velma and Roxie.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 301 (click to see context) from:
----
to:
->''♫ In fifty years or so\\
It's gonna change, you know\\
But oh, it's heaven\\
Nowadays ♫''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 17 (click to see context) from:
* AdaptationDeviation: Mary Sunshine is played by a woman.
to:
* AdaptationDeviation: Mary Sunshine is played by a woman. In the stage musical, she is traditionally played by a man.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* StupidEvil: Velma has this as her EstablishingCharacterMoment. People came to see the Kelly Sister act, and Velma finds her husband and sister doing "The Spread Eagle" hours to their next show. While Veronica sleeping with Velma's husband was pretty bad and stupid in itself, Velma's response was not the brightest. She claims that she blacked out, but she apparently shot both of them and maybe pistol-whipped them given the amount of blood on her hands and the gun. Then she had to rush late to their show, and clumsily hid the gun in a drawer. Her manager shouted that the audience wants to see her sister as well. The police find her in the time it takes for her to perform "All That Jazz," though they wait for her to finish before arresting her.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 216 (click to see context) from:
---> '''Mary Sunshine''': How're you feeling?\\
to:
---> '''Mary Sunshine''': '''Reporters''': How're you feeling?\\
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 27 (click to see context) from:
* AlliterativeName: Matron Mama Morton, the supervisor of Murderess Row.
to:
* AlliterativeName: Matron Mama “Mama” Morton, the supervisor of Murderess Row.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 49 (click to see context) from:
-->'''Roxie:''' And the audience loves me. And I love them for loving me and they love me for loving them. And we love each other. 'Cause none of us got enough ''love'' in our childhoods...
to:
-->'''Roxie:''' I’m a star! And the audience loves me. And I love them for loving me and them… And they love me for loving them.them, and I love them for loving me. And we love each other. 'Cause And that’s 'cause none of us got enough ''love'' in our childhoods...childhoods... but that’s showbiz, kid.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
The film explicitly states that Velma's arrest happens about a month before Roxy's.
Deleted line(s) 20 (click to see context) :
* AdaptationalInducedPlothole: The Broadway play established that Velma had been in jail for a while, long enough for Roxie to have read about it in the newspaper. This explained how she built up a following and won the press's adoration. In the film, she and Roxie are arrested on the same night, and it's confirmed when Roxie said she was at the same club so "All That Jazz" wasn't one of her ImagineSpot musical numbers. Yet Velma already has the press eating out of her hand, something Roxie notices while being introduced to prison. It's not explained how Velma went viral in a matter of days.
